Anybody know how much Baylor paid him under his contract from the day he was gone? What was his base salary and how much time was left on his contract?

If Baylor paid him one dollar after he cleared out his office, Baylor's administration is full of idiots.

If there was one single program in the country other than maybe BYU or Liberty that should have a morality clause in employment contracts that would void a dollar more after what he did, it should be Baylor.

I'm not judging the guy, but from a pure business standpoint, there no possibile reason for Baylor contracts to not have that clause and for that clause not to be enforced.

It should just come with the territory.

Good luck getting quality people to interview then .

It's hard enough as is.

I'm sure fired for cause? No? That means 0 dollars, hopefully

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It was one of the best modern years of all time for a college athletic department in the two major sports. Not to mention probable final 4 in wbb if the obvious foul on Uconn was called. All that.. to this.

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not to mention what we would have done in the tournament in 2020 if not for covid.

GruntTuff said:

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Stefano DiMera said:

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Good luck getting quality people to interview then .

It's hard enough as is.

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So, if someone wants to coach at Baylor and the contract says you can't screw around on your wife, you think that would make it hard to find quality coaches who would agree to that limitation?

Interesting. What about divorce instead? What about agreeing to do something (be loyal while married) that I would hope would be easy to abide by?

BYU (and I 100% disagree) has a policy that sex outside of marriage is prohibited BEFORE marriage. So, Baylor can't require fidelity while married as a contractual condition?

Look, I'm not Baptist nor even close to it, but so many associated with Baylor wear their "morality" as a badge of honor.

So, we can't put a morality clause in a contract for employment?

Surely we can find administrators who would agree to that clause. If not, why are we hiring them?

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is it possible to "like" both of your posts in this here thread?

Every contract in college and pros has a morality clause.

Things that cause disrespect and ridicule to the team or university.

Yeah what you're asking for is a little invasive and would limit the candidate pool.

Hate to tell you.. Screwing around on your wife is not enough to trigger that clause. We have things now such as 'open marriages ' and 'understandings'.

Petrino and Sherron Moore weren't fired for affairs. They were fired for lying to their bosses and sleeping with people they had a direct reporting employment relationship.

Stefano DiMera said:

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Every contract in college and pros has a morality clause.

Things that cause disrespect and ridicule to the team or university.

Yeah what you're asking for is a little invasive and would limit the candidate pool.

Hate to tell you.. Screwing around on your wife is not enough to trigger that clause. We have things now such as 'open marriages ' and 'understandings'.

Petrino and Sherron Moore weren't fired for affairs. They were fired for lying to their bosses and sleeping with people they had a direct reporting employment relationship.

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And for brining butter knives to a home invasion.

Stefano DiMera said:

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Every contract in college and pros has a morality clause.

Things that cause disrespect and ridicule to the team or university.


Yeah what you're asking for is a little invasive and would limit the candidate pool.

Hate to tell you.. Screwing around on your wife is not enough to trigger that clause. We have things now such as 'open marriages ' and 'understandings'.

Petrino and Sherron Moore weren't fired for affairs. They were fired for lying to their bosses and sleeping with people they had a direct reporting employment relationship.

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You could not be more wrong. Baylor is a private institution. It can put in its employment contracts whatever it wants. Arkansas and Michigan State are not Baylor. I had an employment contract that allowed my employer to fire me for cause (and void stock options and bonuses) if I bought a royalty interest anywhere in the world even if I did it in my spare time and it had nothing to do with my job.

You're try to say that Baylor should be afraid to prohibit infidelity for its senior (and very public) leadership.

In your world, the AD could have had a very public affair, refuse to resign and, if Baylor tried to fire him for cause, sue Baylor for breach?

I think not. As I said, I'm not religious in the least, but Baylor is a religious institution and has every right to put whatever it wants in its employment contracts.

Loose dicks sink ships.

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Mack Rhoades cratered most of it. Cans the most winning coach in Baylor history aka Mulkey. Hires a loser coach in Thompson. Keeps a loser coach in Aranda while he goes, and has an affair at the same time.

Has totally ruined our uniforms, tailgating, and about every aspect of the game day/fan experience. Alienated donors. You name it.

I remember when he was above reproach to many on here. Like you would be burned at the stake if you said ANYTHING negative about him.,.


Now look where he left us.

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His position on NIL early on, when most programs were figuring out how to best use it to win, doomed BU football and set the program back.

We will never know if Aranda could have kept the boat going because of Rhodes and his NIL F-up. I doubt we are coming out of it yet. Linda is just looking at it now.

Baylor president evaluates athletics department's strategy in NIL, rev-share era after Mack Rhoades resignation

I know everyone loves punching on Aranda. But, BU has has NO portal or NIL strategy but to throw money at it and take who wants to come. This UF QB is a perfect example. Does he fit what we want to do? OR, is he the best name out there and we will re-do the offense to make it fit his skills? Look at Tech, Look at IU, Look at Vandy, Look at Miami. They ALL have systems that they run and they FIND players to make THAT system operate successfully. We don't do that.

Does Aranda even have a vision of what he wants as a team? Offense? Defense?

You want Cignetti, he runs HIS systems and finds players. He doesn't wait for players that may want to come to BU and are just going to go to the highest payday.

Anyway, that is what I see.


Watch WVU next year. They have a system and will get players that fit that system. I bet they are a surprise team next year.

My view is that we are looking at a reset to system football. Why? Too much player movement. You are going to see off shoots and modern variations of old time systems like the Wing-T and other old time systems because you can plug and play with them and NOT rely on mismatches. The portal and NIL lends it self to that approach, more than the recruit and hoard of the Saban years. Just a guess.

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If Harvard Business Review ever needs a cautionary tale titled "Peak Timing: How to Win the Big 12 While the Blue Bloods Pack Their Bags… then Immediately Forget How to Play Sports," Baylor is basically the cover model.

Shortly after speed running the conference with a big12 title and sugar bowl victory followed by a basketball national championship the program hit "factory reset" and can't seem to find the password.

Instead of any form of rebuild, this looks like a controlled demolition at this point.

So in the same window Baylor is sliding, Tech is winning the league and Houston is stacking 10-win seasons and taking SEC scalps.

I guess this is just a regression to the mean. Baylor is gonna Baylor.

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lmfao Y'all are giving ChatGPT Aranda Derangement Syndrome now. Or if you wrote this yourself, you've got it bad.

Tech finally has a Great Season because of Daddy Oilbux and now they run ***** Our new oil reserves in Venezuela might have something to say about Tech's longevity lol.

As for Houston "stacking 10-win seasons" lol they were 4-8 last year.

If we go 9-3 or 8-4 and Dave is retained, I think some of yall might have strokes. Same folks definitely will if he gets retained at 7-5 or worse lol (fwiw I'd be pretty damn upset myself at that point).

GruntTuff said:

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Stefano DiMera said:

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Good luck getting quality people to interview then .

It's hard enough as is.

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So, if someone wants to coach at Baylor and the contract says you can't screw around on your wife, you think that would make it hard to find quality coaches who would agree to that limitation?

Interesting. What about divorce instead? What about agreeing to do something (be loyal while married) that I would hope would be easy to abide by?

BYU (and I 100% disagree) has a policy that sex outside of marriage is prohibited BEFORE marriage. So, Baylor can't require fidelity while married as a contractual condition?

Look, I'm not Baptist nor even close to it, but so many associated with Baylor wear their "morality" as a badge of honor.

So, we can't put a morality clause in a contract for employment?

Surely we can find administrators who would agree to that clause. If not, why are we hiring them?

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This is a silly rabbit trail. Baylor had (still has?) forever a policy saying no sex outside of marriage that applies to all personnel, and even students. One problem with that is ... it's entirely unenforceable by its basic nature, so all you can do is selectively enforce it here or there, which makes you look petty and vindictive. And why would you choose to selectively enforce it? Typically because someone is causing other problems, which brings us to Mack. The problem with Mack is he did a crappy job as AD. That was the reason to fire him.

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BUATX2000 said:

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If Harvard Business Review ever needs a cautionary tale titled "Peak Timing: How to Win the Big 12 While the Blue Bloods Pack Their Bags… then Immediately Forget How to Play Sports," Baylor is basically the cover model.

Shortly after speed running the conference with a big12 title and sugar bowl victory followed by a basketball national championship the program hit "factory reset" and can't seem to find the password.

Instead of any form of rebuild, this looks like a controlled demolition at this point.

So in the same window Baylor is sliding, Tech is winning the league and Houston is stacking 10-win seasons and taking SEC scalps.

I guess this is just a regression to the mean. Baylor is gonna Baylor.

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lmfao Y'all are giving ChatGPT Aranda Derangement Syndrome now. Or if you wrote this yourself, you've got it bad.

Tech finally has a Great Season because of Daddy Oilbux and now they run ***** Our new oil reserves in Venezuela might have something to say about Tech's longevity lol.

As for Houston "stacking 10-win seasons" lol they were 4-8 last year.

If we go 9-3 or 8-4 and Dave is retained, I think some of yall might have strokes. Same folks definitely will if he gets retained at 7-5 or worse lol (fwiw I'd be pretty damn upset myself at that point).

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I'd bet a dollar to a donut (no longer has the punch it once did) that Dave gets retained if he goes 7-5. That would put him at 43-42, which is exactly where Baylor is comfortable.

The problem Baylor is going to have is ... he's more likely to win 3 or 4 games and force their hand.

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Bearknuckle said:

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BUATX2000 said:

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If Harvard Business Review ever needs a cautionary tale titled "Peak Timing: How to Win the Big 12 While the Blue Bloods Pack Their Bags… then Immediately Forget How to Play Sports," Baylor is basically the cover model.

Shortly after speed running the conference with a big12 title and sugar bowl victory followed by a basketball national championship the program hit "factory reset" and can't seem to find the password.

Instead of any form of rebuild, this looks like a controlled demolition at this point.

So in the same window Baylor is sliding, Tech is winning the league and Houston is stacking 10-win seasons and taking SEC scalps.

I guess this is just a regression to the mean. Baylor is gonna Baylor.

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lmfao Y'all are giving ChatGPT Aranda Derangement Syndrome now. Or if you wrote this yourself, you've got it bad.

Tech finally has a Great Season because of Daddy Oilbux and now they run ***** Our new oil reserves in Venezuela might have something to say about Tech's longevity lol.

As for Houston "stacking 10-win seasons" lol they were 4-8 last year.

If we go 9-3 or 8-4 and Dave is retained, I think some of yall might have strokes. Same folks definitely will if he gets retained at 7-5 or worse lol (fwiw I'd be pretty damn upset myself at that point).

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I'd bet a dollar to a donut (no longer has the punch it once did) that Dave gets retained if he goes 7-5. That would put him at 43-42, which is exactly where Baylor is comfortable.

The problem Baylor is going to have is ... he's more likely to win 3 or 4 games and force their hand.

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Our schedule is gnarly as hell next year, but that said, I don't think firing him if he totally craters is going to be a problem for Baylor: AUB in Atlanta, Tech, @BYU, @UH, TCU...ASU might still be pretty dang good too, while ISU is sort of a wild card - they might suck or they might be surprisingly good next year. The rest of our schedule looks to be very winnable...if we can't get to 5 wins then the notion that Dave-is-a-Bust would be undeniable even for any holdouts in Leadership. And honestly, I don't think just reaching bowl eligibility at 6 wins would be enough.

I do think 7-5 is a window he might squeeze through, but at that point we'd still have such an empty stadium that I still think he'd get fired.

While at 8-4 I think he'd be very likely to get retained even if attendance is still lagging a bit (which it almost undoubtedly would be), and at 9-3 he'd definitely be retained and probably at that point a decent baseline of enthusiasm would have returned to the fanbase.
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PS - Lance Leipold is now 27-35 at KU. I did not expect him to crater at Kansas but looking at his trends, he crushed DIII, was a rollercoaster in MACTION, and now is struggling in the Big 12. Gotta think his seat is about as hot as Dave's at this point.

Robert Wilson said:

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Bearknuckle said:

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BUATX2000 said:

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If Harvard Business Review ever needs a cautionary tale titled "Peak Timing: How to Win the Big 12 While the Blue Bloods Pack Their Bags… then Immediately Forget How to Play Sports," Baylor is basically the cover model.

Shortly after speed running the conference with a big12 title and sugar bowl victory followed by a basketball national championship the program hit "factory reset" and can't seem to find the password.

Instead of any form of rebuild, this looks like a controlled demolition at this point.

So in the same window Baylor is sliding, Tech is winning the league and Houston is stacking 10-win seasons and taking SEC scalps.

I guess this is just a regression to the mean. Baylor is gonna Baylor.

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lmfao Y'all are giving ChatGPT Aranda Derangement Syndrome now. Or if you wrote this yourself, you've got it bad.

Tech finally has a Great Season because of Daddy Oilbux and now they run ***** Our new oil reserves in Venezuela might have something to say about Tech's longevity lol.

As for Houston "stacking 10-win seasons" lol they were 4-8 last year.

If we go 9-3 or 8-4 and Dave is retained, I think some of yall might have strokes. Same folks definitely will if he gets retained at 7-5 or worse lol (fwiw I'd be pretty damn upset myself at that point).

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I'd bet a dollar to a donut (no longer has the punch it once did) that Dave gets retained if he goes 7-5. That would put him at 43-42, which is exactly where Baylor is comfortable.

The problem Baylor is going to have is ... he's more likely to win 3 or 4 games and force their hand.

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I agree, although I don't buy the "comfortable" statement. That is why I have pushed back on calling him a "lame duck" coach. Lame duck only fits if you have a defined end point. We don't and we don't know what coaches (new and old) and recruits are being told concerning the coaching situation..

You're COMPLETELY missing the point.

Baylor can put whatever the hell it wants in its employment contract.

I said what you're suggesting would be counterproductive.

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Mack Rhoades cratered most of it. Cans the most winning coach in Baylor history aka Mulkey. Hires a loser coach in Thompson. Keeps a loser coach in Aranda while he goes, and has an affair at the same time.

Has totally ruined our uniforms, tailgating, and about every aspect of the game day/fan experience. Alienated donors. You name it.

I remember when he was above reproach to many on here. Like you would be burned at the stake if you said ANYTHING negative about him.,.


Now look where he left us.

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Thompson is not a loser but he does need more support and he needs our patience.

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Loose dicks sink ships.

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Remember boys, flies spread disease, so keep yours closed!

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Just speaking of leadership, it's probably time to point out that a private school not named Notre Dame or USC with a student body 10% smaller than Baylor's that has been playing tackle football for 27 fewer years from a conference not named the SEC or Big Ten is playing for a national championship.

There seems to be an undercurrent of thought that this is something that Baylor could never do. But if that's the case, it's because the people running it actively won't try to create that reality and intentionally dismantled what was building towards that sort of a future a decade ago.

Just remember that when Linda and Dave come around with hat in hand.

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Miami has made big time investments in its football program, recently and long term. That team is expensive, more than BU is willing to pay. The 15M NIL is just the beginning. There are a lot of Epstein's down in Miami, it is its own world there.

I'm curious as to what yall would rather have. Go back to where we were facility wise in 2007 or so but have the billion we have spent on new facilities, a new stadium and new arena available now for NIL? We have the money it is just invested in other things.

I'm not criticizing Miami. They are in the title game and have 3 or 4 in the past. I don't think they have much facility wise except rent from the Dolphins. That said they did have plans about 8 -10 years ago for a new stadium on campus that oddly looked almost like a clone of McLane. I have seen nothing about it in several years though and I'm not sure if it has now been shelved to pay players or shelved for other reasons.

There's a better chance of you realizing Dave sucks than his squad winning 9 games next year

IowaBear said:

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There's a better chance of you realizing Dave sucks than his squad winning 9 games next year

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We get it. You don't miss a chance to tell us how much you despise Aranda. Got it, continue making sure no one can have any hope for a better year next year.

Nice straw man… no where did I say no one can have hope for next year. Nor do I despise Dave Aranda. I just choose to live in reality. And results speak for themselves. Glad to see you've holed back on the Dave train! They missed ya!

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Nice straw man… no where did I say no one can have hope for next year. Nor do I despise Dave Aranda. I just choose to live in reality. And results speak for themselves. Glad to see you've holed back on the Dave train! They missed ya!

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Like it or not, he is the Coach next year. I am not going into the next 12 months hoping for negatives so he is gone for sure. Sorry, too old for that and as you get older you know you don't have unlimited seasons left to watch.

So, if fans want to hope and plot on how we can get to 9 wins. More power to them. I hope we get there and make the playoff. Whether Aranda stays or leaves, it immaterial. Just not doing the "hope we lose so they don't keep him longer" thing.

Who's hoping for negatives? Being realistic isn't hoping for negatives. You sure as **** like to put your own imaginary spin on everything.

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Who's hoping for negatives? Being realistic isn't hoping for negatives. You sure as **** like to put your own imaginary spin on everything.

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It is pre-season, hope springs eternal. Otherwise, what is the point of being a fan? We have to be real in our real life.

Grew up a Jets fan in NY, eternal hope is all we have.

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Danielsjackson114 said:

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Mack Rhoades cratered most of it. Cans the most winning coach in Baylor history aka Mulkey. Hires a loser coach in Thompson. Keeps a loser coach in Aranda while he goes, and has an affair at the same time.

Has totally ruined our uniforms, tailgating, and about every aspect of the game day/fan experience. Alienated donors. You name it.

I remember when he was above reproach to many on here. Like you would be burned at the stake if you said ANYTHING negative about him.,.


Now look where he left us.

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His position on NIL early on, when most programs were figuring out how to best use it to win, doomed BU football and set the program back.

We will never know if Aranda could have kept the boat going because of Rhodes and his NIL F-up. I doubt we are coming out of it yet. Linda is just looking at it now.

Baylor president evaluates athletics department's strategy in NIL, rev-share era after Mack Rhoades resignation

I know everyone loves punching on Aranda. But, BU has has NO portal or NIL strategy but to throw money at it and take who wants to come. This UF QB is a perfect example. Does he fit what we want to do? OR, is he the best name out there and we will re-do the offense to make it fit his skills? Look at Tech, Look at IU, Look at Vandy, Look at Miami. They ALL have systems that they run and they FIND players to make THAT system operate successfully. We don't do that.

Does Aranda even have a vision of what he wants as a team? Offense? Defense?

You want Cignetti, he runs HIS systems and finds players. He doesn't wait for players that may want to come to BU and are just going to go to the highest payday.

Anyway, that is what I see.


Watch WVU next year. They have a system and will get players that fit that system. I bet they are a surprise team next year.

My view is that we are looking at a reset to system football. Why? Too much player movement. You are going to see off shoots and modern variations of old time systems like the Wing-T and other old time systems because you can plug and play with them and NOT rely on mismatches. The portal and NIL lends it self to that approach, more than the recruit and hoard of the Saban years. Just a guess.

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Baylor is REACTIVE in the "15th" hour, if ever, NEVER proactive.

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I'm curious as to what yall would rather have. Go back to where we were facility wise in 2007 or so but have the billion we have spent on new facilities, a new stadium and new arena available now for NIL? We have the money it is just invested in other things.

I'm not criticizing Miami. They are in the title game and have 3 or 4 in the past. I don't think they have much facility wise except rent from the Dolphins. That said they did have plans about 8 -10 years ago for a new stadium on campus that oddly looked almost like a clone of McLane. I have seen nothing about it in several years though and I'm not sure if it has now been shelved to pay players or shelved for other reasons.

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It sounds like we are house poor…

PartyBear said:

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I'm curious as to what yall would rather have. Go back to where we were facility wise in 2007 or so but have the billion we have spent on new facilities, a new stadium and new arena available now for NIL? We have the money it is just invested in other things.

I'm not criticizing Miami. They are in the title game and have 3 or 4 in the past. I don't think they have much facility wise except rent from the Dolphins. That said they did have plans about 8 -10 years ago for a new stadium on campus that oddly looked almost like a clone of McLane. I have seen nothing about it in several years though and I'm not sure if it has now been shelved to pay players or shelved for other reasons.

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I'd much rather have the petty cash. If you ask the average five star player if he'd rather have the nicest facilities versus rolling up in a Mercedes filled with $100 bills, I know what they are going to choose.