The Dave Aranda problem

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bear2be2
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I'm not sure if this thread is necessary or not, but I was having a conversation with my Baylor fan text group this morning about the near impossible situation Dave Aranda faces this season and thought I'd share my thoughts here as well.

Before I start, let me state in no uncertain terms that this problem was self-inflicted -- Dave did it to himself by allowing our program to reach the depths he did. And our athletic administration exacerbated it by forcing him once again upon a fan base that is largely ready to move on without him. So if your first inclination is to point those things out, save yourself the effort. I agree. We all agree.

Now to the point of the thread and why lame duck seasons like this one are almost always a mistake.They put the sitting coach in a no-win season where even winning at a respectable level isn't enough to undo years of bad will.

I think under most circumstances, a 7-5 season at Baylor would be an acceptable result. Not a great one, but certainly not a fireable one. But because of Dave's past, I think we all agree that 7-5 this season shouldn't be enough to save his job. Whether it will or not is up for debate, but I think most of us are on the same page about whether it should be.

So what are we really doing here? Beyond lessening a contract buyout, is this not all kind of a waste of time? I actually like this year's roster and coaching staff and think this team can be pretty good in the Big 12. But I still think the most likely outcome is a 6-6 or 7-5 record. Which brings me back to the impossible situation Dave has created for himself.

We could show a lot of improvement, be a pretty good 7-5 team and actually strengthen our foundation going forward for a future with Dave Aranda at the helm. But it's a future almost no one wants at this point. So anything less than 10 wins -- a virtually impossible standard at this point in time -- is going to be met by most with disappointment.

And because we lost the Auburn game, we have no margin for error going forward, so every single game in Big 12 play is the Battle of Helm's Deep just to set up another existential battle the following week. And any single loss between now and our final three-game stretch against BYU, Tech and Houston will feel like the fall of Rohan.

I want to be able to enjoy this season, so I'm trying to set a reasonable standard of success with a firm threshold at 8-4. But that's lower than what many here hold due to the circumstances detailed above. I think we can afford one more loss between now and the BYU game to reach the standard I've set, but that's a tall order for any team in the Big 12 and it still wouldn't be enough for many to feel good about bringing Dave back for 2027.

This is why it's typically a bad idea to bring back a coach that most fans have already lost confidence in. Once you let things get bad enough, even reasonable success is viewed as failure, which isn't fair to the people around the head coach who don't carry the same baggage into the conversation.

I'm still hoping we shock the football world and have a great season. And if that saves Dave's job, so be it. But I, like most here, feel that Dave Aranda is more of an obstacle than an asset to our program's long-term success, which makes for a weird rooting experience.

Thus, the Dave Aranda problem.
Harrison Bergeron
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First, I love your posts. They're so naively hysterical.

There have been 10,000 Aranda threads. But in my opinion, simply put the foundational problems with Aranda are twofold:

1. He does not ever seem to have a plan: every year there are massive changes outside of him, which indicates he really has no idea what he is doing and just rearranges the deck chairs enough to save his job

2. He's so boring that it is hard to get excited about the Bears - even during the Steele - Morris years, they would get you excited about Baylor football. Dave is just an odd bird, and I think he just does not have the personality to be a leader

I do not think anyone wants Dave to fail; but most are tired of this. Being 5-5 is in some ways the worst place to be: if a team is good, everyone is happy; if bad, easy to make a change ... we've been doing mediocrity for five seasons.
LIB,MR BEARS
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Being Hired December 8th of 2025, Doug was in a near impossible position to fire Aranda when he arrived. He had to get educated on Aranda's contract, put together a short list/wish list of replacements and line up BMDs willing to dish out the money on both Aranda's buyout and the replacements buyout. BU doesn't have enough BMDs to afford a snap judgment hire.

All those things Doug walked into should have already been handled by Mack but he was preoccupied with a side chick.

I really like Jeremiah Dickey and I know he a Doug are very familiar with one another but, I hope Doug steals his football coach from him.
El Oso
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Whether he got brought back because we're an institution of learning not a football school, or he caught a lucky break and his boss got fired and it saved him, or if we're saving buyout dollars is a matter of great debate around here. 9-3, 8-4 buy him another year. I'm not sure they should, but they will. 7-5 or 6-6 probably buy him another year as well. Neither of them should (definitely not 6-6l, but now we're back in that circle that is Baylor football. That said, I remember saying regularly in the late 90s early 00s that I would be more than happy with a coach who always went 7-5 and occasionally 9-3. Seems we're back in that boat.

Anything 5-7 or worse should have him out. I'm in the camp that would be more than willing to fire him Saturday if Colorado beats us, but mid year firings often don't produce immediately positive results because the roster is pretty much set in stone, and our roster has issues), so I would be okay with an end of year firing.

The lame duck year seems to be a replay of prior years so far. I'm having trouble finding a sixth win, but I will take the next six games one at a time and hope we survive 4-2 or better. It's the last three I see as automatic Ls.
JudgeBear1845
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Harrison Bergeron said:

First, I love your posts. They're so naively hysterical.

There have been 10,000 Aranda threads. But in my opinion, simply put the foundational problems with Aranda are twofold:

1. He does not ever seem to have a plan: every year there are massive changes outside of him, which indicates he really has no idea what he is doing and just rearranges the deck chairs enough to save his job

2. He's so boring that it is hard to get excited about the Bears - even during the Steele - Morris years, they would get you excited about Baylor football. Dave is just an odd bird, and I think he just does not have the personality to be a leader

I do not think anyone wants Dave to fail; but most are tired of this. Being 5-5 is in some ways the worst place to be: if a team is good, everyone is happy; if bad, easy to make a change ... we've been doing mediocrity for five seasons.

3. His in game coaching and decisioning is atrocious. Coaching to win and coaching to not lose are two different things...unfortunately CDA has displayed the latter moreso.
Danielsjackson114
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In 2026, it's bad optics firing a more than likely on the spectrum minority HC

Especially one at a woke school

Like Bo French, there I said it
IowaBear
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Pretty spot on by the OP. This was my frustration. This season by all accounts is a wash. The issue is if Dave wins 6 Baylor will bring him back. And that would be the final nail in the programs coffin. By bringing Dave back for a lame duck you've essentially wasted 2 seasons. The next HC is going to need a a year to set his foundation. So realistically Baylor is wasting 2 seasons. I'll never root for Baylor to lose. But Dave messing around and winning 6 plus further complicates things imo.
Danielsjackson114
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Even if the poor ******* wins the Big12, he needs to go
Dia del DougO
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Play the games.

Evaluate.

Decide.

IowaBear
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I don't mean this to sound rude or anything. But what else is there to evaluate at this point? The evaluation should be over. There's 7 years of data to support him simply not being good enough
bear2be2
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IowaBear said:

I don't mean this to sound rude or anything. But what else is there to evaluate at this point? The evaluation should be over. There's 7 years of data to support him simply not being good enough

I agree with Doug's take on this generally, but it's only because I think the players and coaches around Dave Aranda deserve to have their work judged on its merit.

They shouldn't have their efforts discredited by association.

I think they deserve a wait-and-see approach even if Dave doesn't.
Fre3dombear
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Maybe they just promote our DC to HC. A proven winner.
boognish_bear
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There is a lot of parity in the B12. So many teams are on equal footing now... even TT has come back into the fold a bit it looks like. HC can be the deciding factor week to week.

Coaching becomes a real X-factor. I don't think we have the right guy to motivate and make the right decisions to put us into the top third of this conference unfortunately.
TenBears
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As others have mentioned "7-5" is a straw man. He won't be fired with that record.
Mitch Blood Green
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IowaBear said:

I don't mean this to sound rude or anything. But what else is there to evaluate at this point? The evaluation should be over. There's 7 years of data to support him simply not being good enough


Yeah, but.

He gets this year. Let him have it.
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