I know there are a good many of you currently hiding. Come out, come out wherever you are!

Evant? Goldthwaite? Brownwood? Ballinger? Wall? Miles?

Theres an OC opening in Lincoln..maybe he could go there.

This board would EXPLODE.

hounds fall 20 -7 to angelo st.

now Ofer 10.

- el UF

looks like there is one more game - in portales - contra John Tower U.

be there - or break out the Ronco Nut Cutter.

DEVELOPING!

Go Bears!!

Beat The Cougars!!!

{ sipping coffee }

{ eating donut }

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Rome wasn't built in a day! It's his first season there, let's see how he's doing by his third season! He's the best football coach I've seen at Baylor. I started backing Baylor in '74 so from Teaff on I have seen all of them! Hands down he is the best, isn't it time for you to grow up?

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He was the best OFFENSIVE coach we ever saw at Baylor.

His lack of defense killed us multiple times.
His lack of special teams was evident often.
His lack of discipline cost us a few games.

Unfortunately to be a GREAT coach you have to have all 4 of these covered.

I understand. Those with no true football experience went into an orgasmic orbit around Waco when we'd score a boatload of points. Most times it was enough. Sometimes we surrendered even more points to lose a game. We put up 400 yards but our D gives up 600. Big deal the O.

All you Madden Football Game studs remember is our offense. What good is offense if you can't stop the opposing team from marching right down the field? How many times did we have to watch our opponent have a 3rd down and forever and they converted 90% of the time. Embarrassing.

Will you boys remain ENM season ticket holders to watch a 75 year old coach in Portales, NM beat up on D2 and D3 competition? Can y'all keep that yella dawg school bus running while leaving a trail of smoke out to Portales 5-6 times a year?

Grow up? Why? I'm enjoying my life immensely. I'm just glad I was around to see the.greatest season in Baylor history. 2021. The coach was Dave Aranda and his team, big on defense, did not collapse in the Sugar Bowl.

One more chance. 8-2 Midwestern State. Fire up the yella dawg! If you boys get started tomorrow headed to Portales you should be there for a 2:00 p.m. kickoff.

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I feel compelled to write when these "Art" threads come up.

Art was a "Texas treasure" in that he had a brilliant and innovative offensive mind. He also was the absolute best at "freeing up" his players in the moment.

Art is guilty of bringing in too many thugs in order to get ahead.

Baylor was guilty also. Baylor was "inept" at Title IX. In fact, there was no Title IX department. That's not Art's fault. Once that fact became a news story, the school protected itself by steering the blame to Art.

Had Baylor been a state school, had strong compliance and Title IX, Art would still be the coach. It's possible that some of the wrongdoings might not have occurred. Unfortunately, Art Briles was the scapegoat.

Art is a good man and it's time to wish him the best and hope he has a great coaching life...what's left of it.

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If he had a brilliant and innovative offensive mind we would not have lost to TCU and a horrible UT team in 2015.

Madden experts try to hang their hat on the Citrus Bowl "innovation" when the light bulb finally came on. No, instead our pretend QB was throwing downfield in a monsoon with a WR at QB because we started the season with too few QBs, allowed the thin QB roster to lower their head and try to run over a Big 12 defense. Then, playing the worst UT football team in modern history (5-7 team) we keep winging the ball downfield until it was too late.

I don't particularly blame Art. Had AD McCaw and President Starr reeled Art in each year and reviewed Baylor standards that pertain even to athletes with him, we would not have gotten into the sewer Art led us into. Art's poor management skills tarred and feathered us. He never was going to stay at Baylor so he did not care what he left behind.

All of the robe touchers need to realize that BU was only a rung on the ladder.

BangorBear said:

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Talk about your own coaches shortcomings Thee, and the roller coaster ride he put us through as fans! It was under Coach Briles that we beat the number 1 ranked team in the country and ended their heisman talk for K st Qb and thanks to stout defense ! I was at the first blackout game at Floyd Casey sitting on the visitors side near many Okie's they were shocked how good the DEFENSE was I told them it started last year with the beat down of K st. They were quiet the rest of the game! The defense was playing well and was only playing better as time went on. Then Art was scapegoated and rest is history.

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Are you referring to the 2012 season when we beat #2 K State?

Baylor was 4-5 going into that game. We got to 5-5 with that win.

That was the season we gave up 807 yards to West Virginia. A 7-6 WV team. Loss #1.
We followed that with yielding 509 yards losing to TCU. Loss #2 to a 7-6 TCU team.
Then giving up 525 to Texas. Loss #3.
Then giving up 557 while losing to Iowa State. Loss # 4. They were a 6-7 team and rolled us for 557 yards.
We gave up 460 to OU. Loss #5.

We gave up in excess of 400 yards 10 friggin times!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Defense?

Are you from Lithuania and never saw a football game before then?

Scapegoated? Art made his nest and enforced next to ZERO discipline so he had to roll around in it.

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I think Thee secretly has a crush on Art and the rejection is more than he can stand.

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Well Briles definitely lives in his head. I can't see how that could be denied.

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I very seldom think of him until someone posts a revisionist history post. I do hold him, Ian McCaw and Ken Starr as responsible for the tarring and feathering Art left us with.

Ken & Ian should have sat Art down at the end of the 2010 season and reviewed the Baylor Mission Statement, history, academics, etc. and that he would be held to a higher standard than when he coached at Texas Tech and Houston.

Same thing after each season with a review of the campus police blotter, investigations, complaints, etc. and another refresher course on Baylor History. They should have rounded the entire staff and had them in a room for a day or two.

We all saw smoke prior to the implosion. Why was Starr & McCaw blind?

They were high on W's. It was a drug and they loved the fact that Starr could run in with the Baylor Line on TV. Ian could wear his brown polyester suits around town and get away with it.

I had to do it myself.

Eastern New Mexico goes to 0-10.

Midwestern State is the last chance. They are 8-2. It's in Portales.

All aboard the yella dawg!!!!!

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Thee University said:

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BangorBear said:

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Talk about your own coaches shortcomings Thee, and the roller coaster ride he put us through as fans! It was under Coach Briles that we beat the number 1 ranked team in the country and ended their heisman talk for K st Qb and thanks to stout defense ! I was at the first blackout game at Floyd Casey sitting on the visitors side near many Okie's they were shocked how good the DEFENSE was I told them it started last year with the beat down of K st. They were quiet the rest of the game! The defense was playing well and was only playing better as time went on. Then Art was scapegoated and rest is history.

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Are you referring to the 2012 season when we beat #2 K State?

Baylor was 4-5 going into that game. We got to 5-5 with that win.

That was the season we gave up 807 yards to West Virginia. A 7-6 WV team. Loss #1.
We followed that with yielding 509 yards losing to TCU. Loss #2 to a 7-6 TCU team.
Then giving up 525 to Texas. Loss #3.
Then giving up 557 while losing to Iowa State. Loss # 4. They were a 6-7 team and rolled us for 557 yards.
We gave up 460 to OU. Loss #5.

We gave up in excess of 400 yards 10 friggin times!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Defense?

Are you from Lithuania and never saw a football game before then?

Scapegoated? Art made his nest and enforced next to ZERO discipline so he had to roll around in it.

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Thee is getting old, I did not stutter I said Baylor defeated the number 1 ranked Kansas St. team by the score 52 to 24 and ended their Qb's Heisman Campaign !!! With dominating DEFENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can you hear me now? thee

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I heard you. And started laughing. You are the first person on this board in 10+ years who trotted out "we ended a Kansas State QB's quest for the Heisman". That is your benchmark for a good defense? I can't even remember the KSU QB's name. Did he go on to NFL stardom?

I hear you. You are making a pip-squeak sound but I think I hear it. Go get some bass in your voice and come back and try again, And please, don't embarrass yourself anymore with your pitiful reaches trying to justify one of the worst defensive performances by any college football team since the turn of the century.

We gave up 400+ yards 2 times that year. 1 of those was to Sam Houston!
We gave up 500+ yards 7. times that year. One of those was to ULM!
We gave up 800+ yards to West Virginia. 7-6 West Virginia.

That is sand lot or junior high football numbers and you want to have people believe that was a good defense?

6,529 yards in one season. We gave up over 500 per game on average! That's over 1.2 miles!

Here, read this. After you get done then you can come back and post on 365.

https://www.amazon.com/Football-Her-Beginners-Guide-Understand/dp/B0DKTV5T3R?asin=B0DKTV5T3R&revisionId=&format=4&depth=1

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Thee try to stay focused this time! I used the 2012 KSt. game because it was the turning point when Baylor started playing winning defense. I didn't say they were the best. KSt. was ranked number 1 in the nation when they came to Waco and their Heisman candidate was Collin Klein Qb who was the leader for this award at this time. He was a good passer but was really known for his running. They left Waco as big losers to our Bears score 52-24! The Heisman talk ended and their quest for a National Championship was over! Baylor allowed 362 total yds in this game, not bad for a team winning its 5th game in ten try's! Collin Klein was held to 39 yards rushing on 17 attempts. Our defensive coordinator was Phil Bennett remember him?

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Just when I felt like I might get you to drop that left nut you post this? Go back and order the book above that I recommended for you to read.

So, you think the 2012 KSU game was the turning point for winning Baylor defense?

2013
Oklahoma St puts 49 points and 594 yards on us. Then a commuter school drills us for 52 points and 556 yards in our bowl loss.

2014
West Virginia rips Bennett's D for 41 points but the crowning glory for Bennett was the Cotton Bowl - 552 yards and the most embarrassing bowl implosion in Big 12 history. Where was that turning point again?

2015
OU, TCU and a horrible Texas team all 3 throttle us. We couldn't stop grandma in her wheelchair.

Phil Bennett is the reason we lost the vast majority of those games in 2013, 14 & 15. 3rd & long? Take it to the house because we couldn't stop anyone.

Please stop. I don't want any of our opposing Big 12 opponents to read your drivel. It is embarrassing that you are a Baylor fan.

Correction on my post above when I said the 2012 defense gave up 1.2 miles of offense…….it was really 3.7 miles of O!!!!! In one season. That may be winning D somewhere but not here in Texas. Maybe you really are from that rough, tough football factory in Bangor, Maine?

Art has his biggest challenge as a coach. Doubtful he'll get it going there.

Thee what do you think about a defense that in 1979 gave up 431 yds rushing in a game? This team went bowling with some good defenders that played in the pros after graduating college. Back then defenses were built to stop the run yet they failed miserably ! Guess who!

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Thee what do you think about a defense that in 1979 gave up 431 yds rushing in a game? This team went bowling with some good defenders that played in the pros after graduating college. Back then defenses were built to stop the run yet they failed miserably ! Guess who!

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That would have to be the 1979 Alabama game when the Tide was ranked #1. On the road in Birmingham.

8 turnovers and a blocked punt opens up the door for a dog drilling.

Stopping the run versus the #1 team in the nation is a little bit different than stopping the run against other schools. That was back when Alabama's 2nd and 3rd teams were just about as good as the starters.

Name another game in 1979 or 1980 where our run defense failed miserably.

Thee University said:

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Correction on my post above when I said the 2012 defense gave up 1.2 miles of offense…….it was really 3.7 miles of O!!!!! In one season. That may be winning D somewhere but not here in Texas. Maybe you really are from that rough, tough football factory in Bangor, Maine?

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Congrats Thee I am from Bangor, Maine within a stones throw of the Penobscot River! Also lived in the Philippines,Guam, Hawaii, Casablanca, Morocco before moving to Tucson, Arizona then finally to Texas in 1962. The state animal of Maine is the Black bear, so I was destined to be a Baylor fan from birth (I think).

Thee University said:

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BangorBear said:

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Thee what do you think about a defense that in 1979 gave up 431 yds rushing in a game? This team went bowling with some good defenders that played in the pros after graduating college. Back then defenses were built to stop the run yet they failed miserably ! Guess who!

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That would have to be the 1979 Alabama game when the Tide was ranked #1. On the road in Birmingham.

8 turnovers and a blocked punt opens up the door for a dog drilling.

Stopping the run versus the #1 team in the nation is a little bit different than stopping the run against other schools. That was back when Alabama's 2nd and 3rd teams were just about as good as the starters.

Name another game in 1979 or 1980 where our run defense failed miserably.

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They were ranked number 2 when you played them!!!

BangorBear said:

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Thee University said:

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BangorBear said:

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Thee what do you think about a defense that in 1979 gave up 431 yds rushing in a game? This team went bowling with some good defenders that played in the pros after graduating college. Back then defenses were built to stop the run yet they failed miserably ! Guess who!

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That would have to be the 1979 Alabama game when the Tide was ranked #1. On the road in Birmingham.

8 turnovers and a blocked punt opens up the door for a dog drilling.

Stopping the run versus the #1 team in the nation is a little bit different than stopping the run against other schools. That was back when Alabama's 2nd and 3rd teams were just about as good as the starters.

Name another game in 1979 or 1980 where our run defense failed miserably.

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They were ranked number 2 when you played them!!!

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The '81 Cotton Bowl 30-2 slaughter by bama again!!! We were ranked number#6 they were ranked #9!!!!!!!!! Pitiful showing by our defense.

Thee University said:

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BangorBear said:

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Rome wasn't built in a day! It's his first season there, let's see how he's doing by his third season! He's the best football coach I've seen at Baylor. I started backing Baylor in '74 so from Teaff on I have seen all of them! Hands down he is the best, isn't it time for you to grow up?

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He was the best OFFENSIVE coach we ever saw at Baylor.

His lack of defense killed us multiple times.
His lack of special teams was evident often.
His lack of discipline cost us a few games.

Unfortunately to be a GREAT coach you have to have all 4 of these covered.

I understand. Those with no true football experience went into an orgasmic orbit around Waco when we'd score a boatload of points. Most times it was enough. Sometimes we surrendered even more points to lose a game. We put up 400 yards but our D gives up 600. Big deal the O.

All you Madden Football Game studs remember is our offense. What good is offense if you can't stop the opposing team from marching right down the field? How many times did we have to watch our opponent have a 3rd down and forever and they converted 90% of the time. Embarrassing.

Will you boys remain ENM season ticket holders to watch a 75 year old coach in Portales, NM beat up on D2 and D3 competition? Can y'all keep that yella dawg school bus running while leaving a trail of smoke out to Portales 5-6 times a year?

Grow up? Why? I'm enjoying my life immensely. I'm just glad I was around to see the.greatest season in Baylor history. 2021. The coach was Dave Aranda and his team, big on defense, did not collapse in the Sugar Bowl.

One more chance. 8-2 Midwestern State. Fire up the yella dawg! If you boys get started tomorrow headed to Portales you should be there for a 2:00 p.m. kickoff.

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Wow, Briles won 50 freaking games in his last 5 years here. I believe we would have been in the playoffs within a year, he just had his best recruiting class ever and was kicking Oklahoma and Texas ass on a regular basis. Nearly forgot, he won 2 Big 12 Championships!! He is a terrific man, person, the best football coach by far that Baylor University has ever had and his teams would have beaten your teams by 50 points every time. I do appreciate your time playing for Baylor but not your pathetic comments about Art Briles.

Bear2393 said:

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Thee University said:

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BangorBear said:

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Rome wasn't built in a day! It's his first season there, let's see how he's doing by his third season! He's the best football coach I've seen at Baylor. I started backing Baylor in '74 so from Teaff on I have seen all of them! Hands down he is the best, isn't it time for you to grow up?

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He was the best OFFENSIVE coach we ever saw at Baylor.

His lack of defense killed us multiple times.
His lack of special teams was evident often.
His lack of discipline cost us a few games.

Unfortunately to be a GREAT coach you have to have all 4 of these covered.

I understand. Those with no true football experience went into an orgasmic orbit around Waco when we'd score a boatload of points. Most times it was enough. Sometimes we surrendered even more points to lose a game. We put up 400 yards but our D gives up 600. Big deal the O.

All you Madden Football Game studs remember is our offense. What good is offense if you can't stop the opposing team from marching right down the field? How many times did we have to watch our opponent have a 3rd down and forever and they converted 90% of the time. Embarrassing.

Will you boys remain ENM season ticket holders to watch a 75 year old coach in Portales, NM beat up on D2 and D3 competition? Can y'all keep that yella dawg school bus running while leaving a trail of smoke out to Portales 5-6 times a year?

Grow up? Why? I'm enjoying my life immensely. I'm just glad I was around to see the.greatest season in Baylor history. 2021. The coach was Dave Aranda and his team, big on defense, did not collapse in the Sugar Bowl.

One more chance. 8-2 Midwestern State. Fire up the yella dawg! If you boys get started tomorrow headed to Portales you should be there for a 2:00 p.m. kickoff.

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Wow, Briles won 50 freaking games in his last 5 years here. I believe we would have been in the playoffs within a year, he just had his best recruiting class ever and was kicking Oklahoma and Texas ass on a regular basis. Nearly forgot, he won 2 Big 12 Championships!! He is a terrific man, person, the best football coach by far that Baylor University has ever had and his teams would have beaten your teams by 50 points every time. I do appreciate your time playing for Baylor but not your pathetic comments about Art Briles.

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Well said sir, Bear2393!

Thee is sound asleep right now, he goes to bed with the chickens!

BangorBear said:

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Thee is sound asleep right now, he goes to bed with the chickens!

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The practiced without a helmet. We are seeing the consequences.

Rumor has it he was a thug that vandalized downtown Waco properties while he was at BU. If true, he is the ultimate hypocrite.

BangorBear said:

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BangorBear said:

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Thee University said:

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BangorBear said:

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Thee what do you think about a defense that in 1979 gave up 431 yds rushing in a game? This team went bowling with some good defenders that played in the pros after graduating college. Back then defenses were built to stop the run yet they failed miserably ! Guess who!

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That would have to be the 1979 Alabama game when the Tide was ranked #1. On the road in Birmingham.

8 turnovers and a blocked punt opens up the door for a dog drilling.

Stopping the run versus the #1 team in the nation is a little bit different than stopping the run against other schools. That was back when Alabama's 2nd and 3rd teams were just about as good as the starters.

Name another game in 1979 or 1980 where our run defense failed miserably.

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They were ranked number 2 when you played them!!!

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The '81 Cotton Bowl 30-2 slaughter by bama again!!! We were ranked number#6 they were ranked #9!!!!!!!!! Pitiful showing by our defense.

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Once again we gave them 4 lost fumbles and 3 interceptions. That's 15 turnovers in 2 games. Show me any team that has overcome that many turnovers to win the game.

Anyone with football knowledge would say it was a pitiful showing by our Offense. Two year, two games. aggregate score of 2-75. Our defense scored the only points in two years.

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BangorBear said:

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Thee is sound asleep right now, he goes to bed with the chickens!

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The practiced without a helmet. We are seeing the consequences.

Rumor has it he was a thug that vandalized downtown Waco properties while he was at BU. If true, he is the ultimate hypocrite.

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Wrong on all three counts.

Vandalized downtown Waco properties? There was nothing downtown back in the late 70's that was worth vandalizing!

Bear2393 said:

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Thee University said:

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BangorBear said:

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Rome wasn't built in a day! It's his first season there, let's see how he's doing by his third season! He's the best football coach I've seen at Baylor. I started backing Baylor in '74 so from Teaff on I have seen all of them! Hands down he is the best, isn't it time for you to grow up?

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He was the best OFFENSIVE coach we ever saw at Baylor.

His lack of defense killed us multiple times.
His lack of special teams was evident often.
His lack of discipline cost us a few games.

Unfortunately to be a GREAT coach you have to have all 4 of these covered.

I understand. Those with no true football experience went into an orgasmic orbit around Waco when we'd score a boatload of points. Most times it was enough. Sometimes we surrendered even more points to lose a game. We put up 400 yards but our D gives up 600. Big deal the O.

All you Madden Football Game studs remember is our offense. What good is offense if you can't stop the opposing team from marching right down the field? How many times did we have to watch our opponent have a 3rd down and forever and they converted 90% of the time. Embarrassing.

Will you boys remain ENM season ticket holders to watch a 75 year old coach in Portales, NM beat up on D2 and D3 competition? Can y'all keep that yella dawg school bus running while leaving a trail of smoke out to Portales 5-6 times a year?

Grow up? Why? I'm enjoying my life immensely. I'm just glad I was around to see the.greatest season in Baylor history. 2021. The coach was Dave Aranda and his team, big on defense, did not collapse in the Sugar Bowl.

One more chance. 8-2 Midwestern State. Fire up the yella dawg! If you boys get started tomorrow headed to Portales you should be there for a 2:00 p.m. kickoff.

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Wow, Briles won 50 freaking games in his last 5 years here. I believe we would have been in the playoffs within a year, he just had his best recruiting class ever and was kicking Oklahoma and Texas ass on a regular basis. Nearly forgot, he won 2 Big 12 Championships!! He is a terrific man, person, the best football coach by far that Baylor University has ever had and his teams would have beaten your teams by 50 points every time. I do appreciate your time playing for Baylor but not your pathetic comments about Art Briles.

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50 games in a time where Baylor was playing 12 -13 games per year.

50 games when you are playing Buffalo, Northwestern State, Lamar, Rice, Wofford, Louisiana Monroe, Sam Houston, Stephen F. Austin.

Of course you believe Art would have had us in the playoffs. Just look at 2013 Fiesta Bowl collapse, the 2014 Cotton Bowl implosion, the 2015 season where we did not carry enough QBs on the roster to finish the season out. 2012 losing to 5 average teams.

Why does TCU have the same Big 12 Champs trophy as BU and claim they were Big 12 Champs?

50 point win by Art's team? We had a couple of All-Pro teammates on that roster. A couple of Pro Bowlers and an NFL Hall of Famer. Art's team had never gotten hit like that 1980 defense could lay the wood to you.

I know Art as much as I wanted to know him.. He was my assigned recruiter when I visited the U of H in December of 1976. I've got some friends who were high school coaches that knew him much better than I did.

He was a great coach. Unlike you I did not trip over my trout trying to touch his robe. It's no big deal. He had it all laid out for him and he screwed himself. I have zero sympathy for him and how he treated Baylor. All he had to do was enforce discipline and play by the Baylor rules. Baylor bent over backwards and allowed him a lot of rope. He hung himself.

Don't bust your knee caps so hard.

32 posts on this thread and Doak has 13 of them.

Thee did you wake any chickens sneaking back to your computer? Excuses, excuses, excuses! Maybe if all your "future" pros had hit Alabamas offensive players as hard as they hit ours, we could have beat them? We already know what happened to the '80's defense when a passing team got hold of them! Do you know the way to SAN JOSE? I agree with Bear2393 Arts passing game would have eaten ya'll alive. Now back to bed with you!