PartyBear said:

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If we ar going low budget gamble like in the 90s, this is probably the least risky low budget gamble. But seriously the mentality expressed here was expressed about Aranda and especially after 21. Mack you all soon wanted fired for thinking as yall did then and now. God help us though if the AD is using this page as his consulting firm.

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Klanderman is much closer to Joey McGuire in this analogy. He's the incumbent candidate with a dynamic personality and broad support from the team.

The big difference here is we get basically half a season to see proof of concept. And so far, the early returns are damn good.

But the folks here saying he looks like the next Saban based on a win over UCF and ISU? Sorry cant sign on to that point of view. 2 games is not even enough for me to say stop whatever negotiations and search may be occuring.

I would add that Baylor has just announced a 30 million dollar deficit and hiring freeze. So anything other than a low budget bargain hire is probably bad optics for the school right now. So y'all's dreams may come true. But I doubt many of you will admit to being advocates of it before too long if it doesn't work out.

PartyBear said:

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But the folks here saying he looks like the next Saban based on a win over UCF and ISU? Sorry cant sign on to that point of view. 2 games is not even enough for me to say stop whatever negotiations and search may be occuring.

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I don't think anyone is asking or expecting Klanderman -- or whoever the next coach is -- to be Nick Saban.

The conversation here is about finding a cultural fit who can help Baylor reach its performance potential more consistently. And so far, Klanderman has both said/done all the right things Monday through Friday and has -- in the short sample he's been provided -- got the team playing its best football of the year.

Time will tell if he can keep that up, but he's already proven, in a very short period of time, to be a significant upgrade over his predecessor -- both at the podium and on the sidelines. I'm certainly intrigued enough to give him due consideration for the full-time gig, contingent on reaching a certain performance standard the final three weeks of the regular season.

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JP1037 said:

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"All good points. A fallacy of Baylor fans is BU is a school/team that Top Tier HC candidates would melt to come to Baylor. Not so."


Maybe but a more common fallacy I see is we are a poor sad sack program lucky to have a coordinator or G4 coach willing to take the job.

We compete, we win. We are Baylor. Baylor is an amazing school and a great coaching job.

Truth is in the middle maybe but I think lots of coaches would want this job.

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Probably all correct but the truth is that lots of coaches would want the job if the paycheck were high enough.

Another truism: anyone we hire will be a gamble. Even the GOAT (whomever that is) would not be a guaranteed success at Baylor for lots of reasons.

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Heck I would take a job at any university if I could get just a $10 million buy out. I don't care that I might fail. I can take 2 or 3 years of being called names online, in the media, people yelling at me, etc. for $3million a year plus 10 more when I get fired.

bear2be2 said:

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PartyBear said:

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But the folks here saying he looks like the next Saban based on a win over UCF and ISU? Sorry cant sign on to that point of view. 2 games is not even enough for me to say stop whatever negotiations and search may be occuring.

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I don't think anyone is asking or expecting Klanderman -- or whoever the next coach is -- to be Nick Saban.

The conversation here is about finding a cultural fit who can help Baylor reach its performance potential more consistently. And so far, Klanderman has both said/done all the right things Monday through Friday and has -- in the short sample he's been provided -- got the team playing its best football of the year.

Time will tell if he can keep that up, but he's already proven, in a very short period of time, to be a significant upgrade over his predecessor -- both at the podium and on the sidelines. I'm certainly intrigued enough to give him due consideration for the full-time gig, contingent on reaching a certain performance standard the final three weeks of the regular season.

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I thought someone here or another thread literally said he remind him of young Saban.

PartyBear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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PartyBear said:

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But the folks here saying he looks like the next Saban based on a win over UCF and ISU? Sorry cant sign on to that point of view. 2 games is not even enough for me to say stop whatever negotiations and search may be occuring.

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I don't think anyone is asking or expecting Klanderman -- or whoever the next coach is -- to be Nick Saban.

The conversation here is about finding a cultural fit who can help Baylor reach its performance potential more consistently. And so far, Klanderman has both said/done all the right things Monday through Friday and has -- in the short sample he's been provided -- got the team playing its best football of the year.

Time will tell if he can keep that up, but he's already proven, in a very short period of time, to be a significant upgrade over his predecessor -- both at the podium and on the sidelines. I'm certainly intrigued enough to give him due consideration for the full-time gig, contingent on reaching a certain performance standard the final three weeks of the regular season.

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I thought someone here or another thread literally said he remind him of young Saban.

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He mentioned Saban as a guy you could tell had the "it" factor before the results made that obvious to everyone. I don't think there was a direct, one-to-one comparison being made.

Yes.

That was the point I was trying to make.

Thanks.

bear2be2 said:

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PartyBear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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PartyBear said:

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But the folks here saying he looks like the next Saban based on a win over UCF and ISU? Sorry cant sign on to that point of view. 2 games is not even enough for me to say stop whatever negotiations and search may be occuring.

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I don't think anyone is asking or expecting Klanderman -- or whoever the next coach is -- to be Nick Saban.

The conversation here is about finding a cultural fit who can help Baylor reach its performance potential more consistently. And so far, Klanderman has both said/done all the right things Monday through Friday and has -- in the short sample he's been provided -- got the team playing its best football of the year.

Time will tell if he can keep that up, but he's already proven, in a very short period of time, to be a significant upgrade over his predecessor -- both at the podium and on the sidelines. I'm certainly intrigued enough to give him due consideration for the full-time gig, contingent on reaching a certain performance standard the final three weeks of the regular season.

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I thought someone here or another thread literally said he remind him of young Saban.

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He mentioned Saban as a guy you could tell had the "it" factor before the results made that obvious to everyone. I don't think there was a direct, one-to-one comparison being made.

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Even when he was at Michigan State or won at LSU I don't think there was a single person that would have been declaring him the best or even saying he will one day be the best.

Sure there were lots saying he had the potential to be in those conversations but I think you would be hard pressed to find someone that actually said that before probably his second NC at Bama.

Did anyone see him becoming the GOAT?

Probably not.

Did many of us see him becoming one of the best in the business during that era?

Yep.

cowboycwr said:

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historian said:

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JP1037 said:

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"All good points. A fallacy of Baylor fans is BU is a school/team that Top Tier HC candidates would melt to come to Baylor. Not so."


Maybe but a more common fallacy I see is we are a poor sad sack program lucky to have a coordinator or G4 coach willing to take the job.

We compete, we win. We are Baylor. Baylor is an amazing school and a great coaching job.

Truth is in the middle maybe but I think lots of coaches would want this job.

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Probably all correct but the truth is that lots of coaches would want the job if the paycheck were high enough.

Another truism: anyone we hire will be a gamble. Even the GOAT (whomever that is) would not be a guaranteed success at Baylor for lots of reasons.

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Heck I would take a job at any university if I could get just a $10 million buy out. I don't care that I might fail. I can take 2 or 3 years of being called names online, in the media, people yelling at me, etc. for $3million a year plus 10 more when I get fired.

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Most people would take that. But most of us aren't D1 cfb coaches with ambitions to land the big gig someday. We don't think like they do.

PartyBear said:

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God help us though if the AD is using this page as his consulting firm.

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Well, there's been a lot of good suggestions. Plenty of us wanted Bob Chesney or Will Stein last year. Plenty of people wanted Willie Fritz back in 2023. Would've, should've, could've. Unfortunately, Baylor isn't doing that great financially, and saving money is definitely the name of the game right now. That's one big reason I think they go with Klanderman . They will be able to get him on a two or three year deal or whatever for a low base salary, and bonuses for going to bowl games and all that.

cowboycwr said:

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bear2be2 said:

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PartyBear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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PartyBear said:

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But the folks here saying he looks like the next Saban based on a win over UCF and ISU? Sorry cant sign on to that point of view. 2 games is not even enough for me to say stop whatever negotiations and search may be occuring.

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I don't think anyone is asking or expecting Klanderman -- or whoever the next coach is -- to be Nick Saban.

The conversation here is about finding a cultural fit who can help Baylor reach its performance potential more consistently. And so far, Klanderman has both said/done all the right things Monday through Friday and has -- in the short sample he's been provided -- got the team playing its best football of the year.

Time will tell if he can keep that up, but he's already proven, in a very short period of time, to be a significant upgrade over his predecessor -- both at the podium and on the sidelines. I'm certainly intrigued enough to give him due consideration for the full-time gig, contingent on reaching a certain performance standard the final three weeks of the regular season.

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I thought someone here or another thread literally said he remind him of young Saban.

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He mentioned Saban as a guy you could tell had the "it" factor before the results made that obvious to everyone. I don't think there was a direct, one-to-one comparison being made.

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Even when he was at Michigan State or won at LSU I don't think there was a single person that would have been declaring him the best or even saying he will one day be the best.

Sure there were lots saying he had the potential to be in those conversations but I think you would be hard pressed to find someone that actually said that before probably his second NC at Bama.

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You don't get the LSU and Alabama jobs without being pretty highly thought of. I don't think it was expected that he'd become the GOAT, but I think it was pretty widely accepted that he would be successful.

Billy Bolls said:

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PartyBear said:

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God help us though if the AD is using this page as his consulting firm.

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Well, there's been a lot of good suggestions. Plenty of us wanted Bob Chesney or Will Stein last year. Plenty of people wanted Willie Fritz back in 2023. Would've, should've, could've. Unfortunately, Baylor isn't doing that great financially, and saving money is definitely the name of the game right now. That's one big reason I think they go with Klanderman . They will be able to get him on a two or three year deal or whatever for a low base salary, and bonuses for going to bowl games and all that.

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He's gonna get a market rate 5 or 6 year contract and market rate 4-5mm salary. They're not gonna low ball him or anyone else. It will be on par with what Rhule and Amanda got which was 4 to high 4 range. Rhule got 7 years and Ave got 6 years initially .

PartyBear said:

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If we ar going low budget gamble like in the 90s, this is probably the least risky low budget gamble. But seriously the mentality expressed here was expressed about Aranda and especially after 21. Mack you all soon wanted fired for thinking as yall did then and now. God help us though if the AD is using this page as his consulting firm.

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Don't worry. He's not.