Chanceux said:

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Not too bad on paper with all things considered. Bout on par with what Briles did his first few years. Course Briles didn't have a shiny new stadium to cruit to.

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geewago said:

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TV55 said:

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It was interesting to see a load of Briles guys go over to UT and basically amount to nothing.

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Like a big portion of all the players that have gone there lately.

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la1037 said:

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Brian Ethridge said:

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Chanceux said:

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Not too bad on paper with all things considered. Bout on par with what Briles did his first few years. Course Briles didn't have a shiny new stadium to cruit to.

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Avg Rating:
2008 - 81.31 (9)
2009 - 82.87 (10)
2010 - 85.00 (8)
2011 - 82.66 (8)
2012 - 85.48 (3)
2013 - 84.68 (3)
2014 - 85.39 (3)
2015 - 85.20 (5)
2016 - 86.03 (5)
2017 - 84.60 (5)
2018 - 86.00 (6)

So, the average rating is .03 from the highest it has been in the composite era and one of those in the 2018 is 2 star punter. He's an Army All-American though. Kickers and punters get no love. Add some of the recruits in consideration for the final spots and it will be the best class on average since Reedy, but this class is scheduled to qualify. Tech and West Virginia are ahead of Baylor at this moment with two more commits.

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Wow. We have some really good talent over the last 3 years. Weird how some think we have none.

With on field strategy lacking, our only hope is for Rhule to out recruit the field. Maybe he can do it. I honestly hope so.

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bear2be2 said:

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Baylor's class is currently ranked 25th nationally by rivals, 26th nationally by ESPN and 31st nationally by 247sports. And there are a still a lot of dominoes left to fall.

In the context of both Baylor's recent recruiting and the surrounding circumstances, this is a very good class.

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Brian Ethridge said:

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Chanceux said:

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Not too bad on paper with all things considered. Bout on par with what Briles did his first few years. Course Briles didn't have a shiny new stadium to cruit to.

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Avg Rating:
2008 - 81.31 (9)
2009 - 82.87 (10)
2010 - 85.00 (8)
2011 - 82.66 (8)
2012 - 85.48 (3)
2013 - 84.68 (3)
2014 - 85.39 (3)
2015 - 85.20 (5)
2016 - 86.03 (5)
2017 - 84.60 (5)
2018 - 86.00 (6)

So, the average rating is .03 from the highest it has been in the composite era and one of those in the 2018 is 2 star punter. He's an Army All-American though. Kickers and punters get no love. Add some of the recruits in consideration for the final spots and it will be the best class on average since Reedy, but this class is scheduled to qualify. Tech and West Virginia are ahead of Baylor at this moment with two more commits.

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D. C. Bear said:

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la1037 said:

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Brian Ethridge said:

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Chanceux said:

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Not too bad on paper with all things considered. Bout on par with what Briles did his first few years. Course Briles didn't have a shiny new stadium to cruit to.

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Avg Rating:
2008 - 81.31 (9)
2009 - 82.87 (10)
2010 - 85.00 (8)
2011 - 82.66 (8)
2012 - 85.48 (3)
2013 - 84.68 (3)
2014 - 85.39 (3)
2015 - 85.20 (5)
2016 - 86.03 (5)
2017 - 84.60 (5)
2018 - 86.00 (6)

So, the average rating is .03 from the highest it has been in the composite era and one of those in the 2018 is 2 star punter. He's an Army All-American though. Kickers and punters get no love. Add some of the recruits in consideration for the final spots and it will be the best class on average since Reedy, but this class is scheduled to qualify. Tech and West Virginia are ahead of Baylor at this moment with two more commits.

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Wow. We have some really good talent over the last 3 years. Weird how some think we have none.

With on field strategy lacking, our only hope is for Rhule to out recruit the field. Maybe he can do it. I honestly hope so.

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Your idea that on field strategy is lacking is not supported by evidence.

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D. C. Bear said:

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Mothra said:

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I keep seeing how many of the Rhule supporters are touting what a great recruiter Rhule is and how well he's done thus far, but wonder about such claims. The class currently has 1 committed 4 star out of 19 commits and is ranked 6th in the Big 12. That doesn't seem so great when compared to recent classes. So what is the basis for this claim? Is it because no one expected us to recruit so well given how bad the season went and because of the scandal? Is it because some are anticipating some highly ranked recruits to commit in the near future? What is it?

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Rivals had our class 3rd or 4th ranked in the league last year. They put that class together with one guy committed in December when they arrived. The average rating of the 19 committed recruits is a bit higher this season than last and, according to Rivals, three of them are 4-Star recruits.

These classes are on par with or better than other recent Baylor classes.

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Mothra said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Mothra said:

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I keep seeing how many of the Rhule supporters are touting what a great recruiter Rhule is and how well he's done thus far, but wonder about such claims. The class currently has 1 committed 4 star out of 19 commits and is ranked 6th in the Big 12. That doesn't seem so great when compared to recent classes. So what is the basis for this claim? Is it because no one expected us to recruit so well given how bad the season went and because of the scandal? Is it because some are anticipating some highly ranked recruits to commit in the near future? What is it?

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Rivals had our class 3rd or 4th ranked in the league last year. They put that class together with one guy committed in December when they arrived. The average rating of the 19 committed recruits is a bit higher this season than last and, according to Rivals, three of them are 4-Star recruits.

These classes are on par with or better than other recent Baylor classes.

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Thanks. Don't have access to Rivals. I believe 247 had last year's class around 39 or 40? I agree that was a great job by Rhule and staff, no question. My question this year was based on the ranking on 247, which has us 6th best in the Big 12.

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bear2be2 said:

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Mothra said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Baylor's class is currently ranked 25th nationally by rivals, 26th nationally by ESPN and 31st nationally by 247sports. And there are a still a lot of dominoes left to fall.

In the context of both Baylor's recent recruiting and the surrounding circumstances, this is a very good class.

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So you're one who sees it as great based on the circumstances, it sounds like. I get that.

I would say there's still a lot of dominoes to fall for a lot of teams. A number of teams in front and behind us have far less recruits at this point, so there is certainly a possibility of moving up or down.

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This class is poised to be as good as or better than any Briles class. So I view it as very good in a universal context. But the surrounding circumstances would seem to prove the premise you're questioning, whether or not Rhule's a good recruiter.

After putting together a top-40 class in two months last year and a top-30 class (at least) this year off a 1-11 season, I'm not sure how that's still a question.

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Brian Ethridge said:

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Chanceux said:

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Not too bad on paper with all things considered. Bout on par with what Briles did his first few years. Course Briles didn't have a shiny new stadium to cruit to.

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Avg Rating:
2008 - 81.31 (9)
2009 - 82.87 (10)
2010 - 85.00 (8)
2011 - 82.66 (8)
2012 - 85.48 (3)
2013 - 84.68 (3)
2014 - 85.39 (3)
2015 - 85.20 (5)
2016 - 86.03 (5)
2017 - 84.60 (5)
2018 - 86.00 (6)

So, the average rating is .03 from the highest it has been in the composite era and one of those in the 2018 is 2 star punter. He's an Army All-American though. Kickers and punters get no love. Add some of the recruits in consideration for the final spots and it will be the best class on average since Reedy, but this class is scheduled to qualify. Tech and West Virginia are ahead of Baylor at this moment with two more commits.

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bear2be2 said:

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Mothra said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Baylor's class is currently ranked 25th nationally by rivals, 26th nationally by ESPN and 31st nationally by 247sports. And there are a still a lot of dominoes left to fall.

In the context of both Baylor's recent recruiting and the surrounding circumstances, this is a very good class.

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So you're one who sees it as great based on the circumstances, it sounds like. I get that.

I would say there's still a lot of dominoes to fall for a lot of teams. A number of teams in front and behind us have far less recruits at this point, so there is certainly a possibility of moving up or down.

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This class is poised to be as good as or better than any Briles class. So I view it as very good in a universal context. But the surrounding circumstances would seem to prove the premise you're questioning, whether or not Rhule's a good recruiter.

After putting together a top-40 class in two months last year and a top-30 class (at least) this year off a 1-11 season, I'm not sure how that's still a question.

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Brian Ethridge said:

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Mothra said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Mothra said:

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I keep seeing how many of the Rhule supporters are touting what a great recruiter Rhule is and how well he's done thus far, but wonder about such claims. The class currently has 1 committed 4 star out of 19 commits and is ranked 6th in the Big 12. That doesn't seem so great when compared to recent classes. So what is the basis for this claim? Is it because no one expected us to recruit so well given how bad the season went and because of the scandal? Is it because some are anticipating some highly ranked recruits to commit in the near future? What is it?

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Rivals had our class 3rd or 4th ranked in the league last year. They put that class together with one guy committed in December when they arrived. The average rating of the 19 committed recruits is a bit higher this season than last and, according to Rivals, three of them are 4-Star recruits.

These classes are on par with or better than other recent Baylor classes.

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Thanks. Don't have access to Rivals. I believe 247 had last year's class around 39 or 40? I agree that was a great job by Rhule and staff, no question. My question this year was based on the ranking on 247, which has us 6th best in the Big 12.

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We put them all together as well:

https://sicem365.com/football-recruiting/commits

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Brian Ethridge said:

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Mothra said:

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Brian Ethridge said:

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Chanceux said:

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Not too bad on paper with all things considered. Bout on par with what Briles did his first few years. Course Briles didn't have a shiny new stadium to cruit to.

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Avg Rating:
2008 - 81.31 (9)
2009 - 82.87 (10)
2010 - 85.00 (8)
2011 - 82.66 (8)
2012 - 85.48 (3)
2013 - 84.68 (3)
2014 - 85.39 (3)
2015 - 85.20 (5)
2016 - 86.03 (5)
2017 - 84.60 (5)
2018 - 86.00 (6)

So, the average rating is .03 from the highest it has been in the composite era and one of those in the 2018 is 2 star punter. He's an Army All-American though. Kickers and punters get no love. Add some of the recruits in consideration for the final spots and it will be the best class on average since Reedy, but this class is scheduled to qualify. Tech and West Virginia are ahead of Baylor at this moment with two more commits.

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Thanks. Sounds like its a deeper class then, without some of the star power at the top end. Is that fair to say?

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It's actually got 5 kids that are 4 star somewhere and 3 should be composite 4 star when the updates happen. Throw in 2-5 more 4 star commits and the class jumps to 3rd in the conference and top 25. Those are real possibilities. Being someone that helped rank players from 2011-2016 for 247, I'll say it is pretty inexact for what is out there. Several recruits do get bumps when they commit to a certain school. It happens and currently nobody is likely fighting for Baylor kids evaluations like Colt and I did during that time period. So, to have the class have this high of an average is good if you like rankings.

I also wouldn't call the class top heavy, but more upper middle across the board with the variance from best to worst (not counting the punter at 78) is under 7 points, 90-83, while past classes had from 98 for a WR to 80 for LB.

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Mothra said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Mothra said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Baylor's class is currently ranked 25th nationally by rivals, 26th nationally by ESPN and 31st nationally by 247sports. And there are a still a lot of dominoes left to fall.

In the context of both Baylor's recent recruiting and the surrounding circumstances, this is a very good class.

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So you're one who sees it as great based on the circumstances, it sounds like. I get that.

I would say there's still a lot of dominoes to fall for a lot of teams. A number of teams in front and behind us have far less recruits at this point, so there is certainly a possibility of moving up or down.

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This class is poised to be as good as or better than any Briles class. So I view it as very good in a universal context. But the surrounding circumstances would seem to prove the premise you're questioning, whether or not Rhule's a good recruiter.

After putting together a top-40 class in two months last year and a top-30 class (at least) this year off a 1-11 season, I'm not sure how that's still a question.

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I hope you're right. I don't see the star power at the top of the class that we saw in the last few years of Briles, however. Perhaps we will pick some up before the end.

I don't put as much stock in the circumstances as you do. Rhule has the benefit of the brand and facilities Briles built, so I guess the fact we are getting good players doesn't come as much of a surprise to me. But to be honest, I never considered Briles a great recruiter.

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Brian Ethridge said:

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Chanceux said:

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Brian Ethridge said:

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Chanceux said:

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Not too bad on paper with all things considered. Bout on par with what Briles did his first few years. Course Briles didn't have a shiny new stadium to cruit to.

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Avg Rating:
2008 - 81.31 (9)
2009 - 82.87 (10)
2010 - 85.00 (8)
2011 - 82.66 (8)
2012 - 85.48 (3)
2013 - 84.68 (3)
2014 - 85.39 (3)
2015 - 85.20 (5)
2016 - 86.03 (5)
2017 - 84.60 (5)
2018 - 86.00 (6)

So, the average rating is .03 from the highest it has been in the composite era and one of those in the 2018 is 2 star punter. He's an Army All-American though. Kickers and punters get no love. Add some of the recruits in consideration for the final spots and it will be the best class on average since Reedy, but this class is scheduled to qualify. Tech and West Virginia are ahead of Baylor at this moment with two more commits.

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Dont really do averages. Not my thing. Mostly count how many 4s and how many 3s. I think Briles got a guy named Griffin in his first year too. If Rhule pulls in Bohanon Ill call it a dang good class.

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That's a simple and skewed way to look at it unless football has turned into a one man show.

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Chanceux said:

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Not too bad on paper with all things considered. Bout on par with what Briles did his first few years. Course Briles didn't have a shiny new stadium to cruit to.

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