To win you have to recruit. If UT, OU, TCU, and Aggy are outrecruiting us, are we really going to win?

UT has has a top 20 class the last several years, so not necessarily. Recruiting top classes is nice but they still have to be coached.

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To win you have to recruit. If UT, OU, TCU, and Aggy are outrecruiting us, are we really going to win?

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If you are in the ballpark you can compete. We're in the ballpark. (Also, in case you haven't noticed, we do not play A&M).

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To win you have to recruit. If UT, OU, TCU, and Aggy are outrecruiting us, are we really going to win?

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You don't see many teams with the 4th to 6th best roster in the league win the league. We were an anomaly under the prior regime while winning all those games. Probability suggests we revert back to where our roster suggests we should be. We were not close last year but let us hope this next year we finish a little closer to where the roster suggests we should finish in the conference.

Horns seem to think they flipped Landry. Is this true?

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Horns seem to think they flipped Landry. Is this true?

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Have they offered?

Looking foward to see how the staff closes this thing out. They seem to be good recruiters. Need to close strong

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Horns seem to think they flipped Landry. Is this true?

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He's signing dec 20th, they never offered him so I think they basically moved on, cause they've offered a bunch of other DL guys recently

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Horns seem to think they flipped Landry. Is this true?

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He's signing dec 20th, they never offered him so I think they basically moved on, cause they've offered a bunch of other DL guys recently

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They didn't offer cause they didn't want him or cause they didn't think they could flip him?

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Horns seem to think they flipped Landry. Is this true?

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He's signing dec 20th, they never offered him so I think they basically moved on, cause they've offered a bunch of other DL guys recently

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They didn't offer cause they didn't want him or cause they didn't think they could flip him?

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My guess they didn't think he fit their schemes all I can figure, other than that I'm not sure.

New OL recruit btw y'all...

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New OL recruit btw y'all...

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He looks like a big dude!

6'5", 330

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New OL recruit btw y'all...

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Has a nice offer list. Surprised he is rate as low as he is.

How good is he?

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How good is he?

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Not sure what you are asking but I checked 247 and believe he was a 3*.

https://www.diehards.com/baylor/princeton-pines-baylor-bears-commitment

Baylor adds pledge from coveted OL Princeton Pines

Cody Daniel December 15, 2017

Matt Rhule's 2018 class has added another key piece.

On Friday night, Tara (La.) guard Princeton Pines brought his recruitment to a close and committed to the Baylor Bears, he announced on Twitter.



Pines holds 18 offers to date, including invitations from Mississippi State, SMU, Arkansas, Houston, Memphis, TCU and Texas Tech, among others.

Pines officially visited Baylor on Dec. 8 and needed only one more week to decide that Waco would become his new home.

With Pines on board, Baylor's 2018 class is up to 21 members and ranks No. 30 in the nation and No. 6 in the Big 12. Pines also joins Connor Galvin, Casey Phillips, Jackson Kimble and Ylijaah Hall as offensive line talents currently pledged to the Bears.

A 6-foot-5, 327-pound prospect, Pines is ranked as the nation's No. 1,101 player, No. 45 guard and the No. 45 player in Louisiana, according to the 247Sports composite rankings.

This story will be updated.

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Not too bad on paper with all things considered. Bout on par with what Briles did his first few years. Course Briles didn't have a shiny new stadium to cruit to.

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Avg Rating:
2008 - 81.31 (9)
2009 - 82.87 (10)
2010 - 85.00 (8)
2011 - 82.66 (8)
2012 - 85.48 (3)
2013 - 84.68 (3)
2014 - 85.39 (3)
2015 - 85.20 (5)
2016 - 86.03 (5)
2017 - 84.60 (5)
2018 - 86.00 (6)

So, the average rating is .03 from the highest it has been in the composite era and one of those in the 2018 is 2 star punter. He's an Army All-American though. Kickers and punters get no love. Add some of the recruits in consideration for the final spots and it will be the best class on average since Reedy, but this class is scheduled to qualify. Tech and West Virginia are ahead of Baylor at this moment with two more commits.

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Thanks. Sounds like its a deeper class then, without some of the star power at the top end. Is that fair to say?

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It's actually got 5 kids that are 4 star somewhere and 3 should be composite 4 star when the updates happen. Throw in 2-5 more 4 star commits and the class jumps to 3rd in the conference and top 25. Those are real possibilities. Being someone that helped rank players from 2011-2016 for 247, I'll say it is pretty inexact for what is out there. Several recruits do get bumps when they commit to a certain school. It happens and currently nobody is likely fighting for Baylor kids evaluations like Colt and I did during that time period. So, to have the class have this high of an average is good if you like rankings.

I also wouldn't call the class top heavy, but more upper middle across the board with the variance from best to worst (not counting the punter at 78) is under 7 points, 90-83, while past classes had from 98 for a WR to 80 for LB.

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You think picking up another 2-5 4 stars is a real possibility?

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1 down, 3-4 to go

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Another 4 star

Here come more

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Not too bad on paper with all things considered. Bout on par with what Briles did his first few years. Course Briles didn't have a shiny new stadium to cruit to.

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Briles first few years? You are absolutely clueless. The 2018 class will be on par with any Briles class and miles ahead of his first few classes. The 247 Avg. rating right now is .8624. If we add most of the prospects currently projected, that avg. will go up. BTW, the highest Avg. rating for Briles was .8548 in 2012. Years 1 and 2 were .8131 and .8287.

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Man yall recruiting average guys are hilarious. I mean really gotdang hilarious.

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Please share your genius methodology for ranking recruiting classes.

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There aint one. Not a dang difference between some kid ranked 175 and 275. Bluechippers are bluechippers. And every cruitin service has a different methodology. Shoot yall dont act like some kid who signs with Bama doesnt jump 50 spots just for signing with Bama. Gimme a break.

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And this is how the recruiting game works. When Thornton was committed to us they weren't that high on him. He flips to Florida and their opinion changes. He just flipped back to us. Gonna be interesting to see if they crawfish on him.

Low 3* GJ Kinne was committed to us when UT 5* commit flipped to Florida. Texas flips GJ and suddenly stars begin to fall from the heavens.

Happens all the time.

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Avg Rating:
2008 - 81.31 (9)
2009 - 82.87 (10)
2010 - 85.00 (8)
2011 - 82.66 (8)
2012 - 85.48 (3)
2013 - 84.68 (3)
2014 - 85.39 (3)
2015 - 85.20 (5)
2016 - 86.03 (5)
2017 - 84.60 (5)
2018 - 86.00 (6)

So, the average rating is .03 from the highest it has been in the composite era and one of those in the 2018 is 2 star punter. He's an Army All-American though. Kickers and punters get no love. Add some of the recruits in consideration for the final spots and it will be the best class on average since Reedy, but this class is scheduled to qualify. Tech and West Virginia are ahead of Baylor at this moment with two more commits.

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Thanks. Sounds like its a deeper class then, without some of the star power at the top end. Is that fair to say?

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It's actually got 5 kids that are 4 star somewhere and 3 should be composite 4 star when the updates happen. Throw in 2-5 more 4 star commits and the class jumps to 3rd in the conference and top 25. Those are real possibilities. Being someone that helped rank players from 2011-2016 for 247, I'll say it is pretty inexact for what is out there. Several recruits do get bumps when they commit to a certain school. It happens and currently nobody is likely fighting for Baylor kids evaluations like Colt and I did during that time period. So, to have the class have this high of an average is good if you like rankings.

I also wouldn't call the class top heavy, but more upper middle across the board with the variance from best to worst (not counting the punter at 78) is under 7 points, 90-83, while past classes had from 98 for a WR to 80 for LB.

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You think picking up another 2-5 4 stars is a real possibility?

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1 down, 3-4 to go

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Another 4 star

Here come more

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Not too bad on paper with all things considered. Bout on par with what Briles did his first few years. Course Briles didn't have a shiny new stadium to cruit to.

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Briles first few years? You are absolutely clueless. The 2018 class will be on par with any Briles class and miles ahead of his first few classes. The 247 Avg. rating right now is .8624. If we add most of the prospects currently projected, that avg. will go up. BTW, the highest Avg. rating for Briles was .8548 in 2012. Years 1 and 2 were .8131 and .8287.

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Man yall recruiting average guys are hilarious. I mean really gotdang hilarious.

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Yet again, the premie crowd not gonna allow anything but groupthink.

Even calling one of the best posters on these boards, idiot and moron, then feining insult when he was called on it.

We are very very good at recruiting right now, so has aggy been for many years, recruiting does not equal good wins. Sure aggy beats their patsy's and conference slugs, but that's it. They were .500 in the Big 12, they are .500 in the SEC. That wont cut it. When the coaching improves, I will believe.

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Briles first few years? You are absolutely clueless. The 2018 class will be on par with any Briles class and miles ahead of his first few classes. The 247 Avg. rating right now is .8624. If we add most of the prospects currently projected, that avg. will go up. BTW, the highest Avg. rating for Briles was .8548 in 2012. Years 1 and 2 were .8131 and .8287.

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Man yall recruiting average guys are hilarious. I mean really gotdang hilarious.

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Please share your genius methodology for ranking recruiting classes.

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There aint one. Not a dang difference between some kid ranked 175 and 275. Bluechippers are bluechippers. And every cruitin service has a different methodology. Shoot yall dont act like some kid who signs with Bama doesnt jump 50 spots just for signing with Bama. Gimme a break.

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And this is how the recruiting game works. When Thornton was committed to us they weren't that high on him. He flips to Florida and their opinion changes. He just flipped back to us. Gonna be interesting to see if they crawfish on him.

Low 3* GJ Kinne was committed to us when UT 5* commit flipped to Florida. Texas flips GJ and suddenly stars begin to fall from the heavens.

Happens all the time.

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That's why if a player is graded at a compsite score of 85 or above on the 247 composite ranking and has offers from P5 schools I am happy to see them commit to BU. Getting 4 stars is better but if you can't get them then three star players with multiple offers are usually solid players and some of them have a lot of room left to develop. I look forward to CMR being able to reshirt these type players because it is a rare freshman who is ready to play P5 ball.

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Briles first few years? You are absolutely clueless. The 2018 class will be on par with any Briles class and miles ahead of his first few classes. The 247 Avg. rating right now is .8624. If we add most of the prospects currently projected, that avg. will go up. BTW, the highest Avg. rating for Briles was .8548 in 2012. Years 1 and 2 were .8131 and .8287.

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Man yall recruiting average guys are hilarious. I mean really gotdang hilarious.

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Please share your genius methodology for ranking recruiting classes.

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There aint one. Not a dang difference between some kid ranked 175 and 275. Bluechippers are bluechippers. And every cruitin service has a different methodology. Shoot yall dont act like some kid who signs with Bama doesnt jump 50 spots just for signing with Bama. Gimme a break.

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And this is how the recruiting game works. When Thornton was committed to us they weren't that high on him. He flips to Florida and their opinion changes. He just flipped back to us. Gonna be interesting to see if they crawfish on him.

Low 3* GJ Kinne was committed to us when UT 5* commit flipped to Florida. Texas flips GJ and suddenly stars begin to fall from the heavens.

Happens all the time.

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That's why if a player is graded at a compsite score of 85 or above on the 247 composite ranking and has offers from P5 schools I am happy to see them commit to BU. Getting 4 stars is better but if you can't get them then three star players with multiple offers are usually solid players and some of them have a lot of room left to develop. I look forward to CMR being able to reshirt these type players because it is a rare freshman who is ready to play P5 ball.

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Blue * to you (I miss the days when we could give out actual rep points). 247 Composite is the best thing out there, IMO. The only thing I would change about your post would be "the right P5 schools".

To simply answer the original question of this thread....Yes

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To simply answer the original question of this thread....Yes

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I agree....the fish isn't in the boat yet...but it looks like a whopper.

If CMR can go Top 25 with this class post-scandal and post 1-11 then he is the recruit whisperer.

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Not too bad on paper with all things considered. Bout on par with what Briles did his first few years. Course Briles didn't have a shiny new stadium to cruit to.

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Briles first few years? You are absolutely clueless. The 2018 class will be on par with any Briles class and miles ahead of his first few classes. The 247 Avg. rating right now is .8624. If we add most of the prospects currently projected, that avg. will go up. BTW, the highest Avg. rating for Briles was .8548 in 2012. Years 1 and 2 were .8131 and .8287.

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One would hope so, given the facilities and resources now present, as well as the brand that did not exist when Briles took over.

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once again you have to mention Briles and even credit him for the recruiting class. BRILES IS GONE! you really need to let it go, and clearly have not yet.

Rhule may fail miserably, but the CABers who still cannot move on are like nails on a chalk board. some wont be happy even if Rhule wins games. "but it wasnt back to back big 12 titles" (when we laid embarrassing eggs in bowl games, after beating cream puffs in non-conf, when the league was down....btw)

Briles is gone....it's like the ex that you wont let go

[insert frozen gif]

and you really want to talk about the BAYLOR UNIVERSITY brand post-Briles? maybe teenage recruits still just see the cool stuff - but the Baylor brand as a whole...not in a good place if you were not aware

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Not too bad on paper with all things considered. Bout on par with what Briles did his first few years. Course Briles didn't have a shiny new stadium to cruit to.

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Briles first few years? You are absolutely clueless. The 2018 class will be on par with any Briles class and miles ahead of his first few classes. The 247 Avg. rating right now is .8624. If we add most of the prospects currently projected, that avg. will go up. BTW, the highest Avg. rating for Briles was .8548 in 2012. Years 1 and 2 were .8131 and .8287.

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One would hope so, given the facilities and resources now present, as well as the brand that did not exist when Briles took over.

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once again you have to mention Briles and even credit him for the recruiting class. BRILES IS GONE! you really need to let it go, and clearly have not yet.

Rhule may fail miserably, but the CABers who still cannot move on are like nails on a chalk board. some wont be happy even if Rhule wins games. "but it wasnt back to back big 12 titles" (when we laid embarrassing eggs in bowl games, after beating cream puffs in non-conf, when the league was down....btw)

Briles is gone....it's like the ex that you wont let go

[insert frozen gif]

and you really want to talk about the BAYLOR UNIVERSITY brand post-Briles? maybe teenage recruits still just see the cool stuff - but the Baylor brand as a whole...not in a good place if you were not aware

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Norm, buddy, reading comprehension is your friend. Please read the post I responded to. It mentions Briles. I therefore mentioned him in my response, and pointed out an obvious fact about the facilities and brand he left. Regardless of what one thinks about him (yes, he's gone and isn't coming back - thanks for that Captain Obvious), it is indisputable that his success propelled us forward, despite some very bad things that happened under his tenure.

I don't know why some of you guys are so sensitive about the very mention of his name. It's as if you've forgotten that some good things happened under his tenure. It wasn't all bad, even if he was rightly fired. You guys treat him as the person who shall not be named. It's as if he's Lord Voldemort.

Relax buddy. Take a breath, It's going to be ok if I mention his name.

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Not too bad on paper with all things considered. Bout on par with what Briles did his first few years. Course Briles didn't have a shiny new stadium to cruit to.

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Briles first few years? You are absolutely clueless. The 2018 class will be on par with any Briles class and miles ahead of his first few classes. The 247 Avg. rating right now is .8624. If we add most of the prospects currently projected, that avg. will go up. BTW, the highest Avg. rating for Briles was .8548 in 2012. Years 1 and 2 were .8131 and .8287.

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One would hope so, given the facilities and resources now present, as well as the brand that did not exist when Briles took over.

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once again you have to mention Briles and even credit him for the recruiting class. BRILES IS GONE! you really need to let it go, and clearly have not yet.

Rhule may fail miserably, but the CABers who still cannot move on are like nails on a chalk board. some wont be happy even if Rhule wins games. "but it wasnt back to back big 12 titles" (when we laid embarrassing eggs in bowl games, after beating cream puffs in non-conf, when the league was down....btw)

Briles is gone....it's like the ex that you wont let go

[insert frozen gif]

and you really want to talk about the BAYLOR UNIVERSITY brand post-Briles? maybe teenage recruits still just see the cool stuff - but the Baylor brand as a whole...not in a good place if you were not aware

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Norm, buddy, reading comprehension is your friend. Please read the post I responded to. It mentions Briles. I therefore mentioned him in my response, and pointed out an obvious fact about the facilities and brand he left. Regardless of what one thinks about him (yes, he's gone and isn't coming back - thanks for that Captain Obvious), it is indisputable that his success propelled us forward, despite some very bad things that happened under his tenure.

I don't know why some of you guys are so sensitive about the very mention of his name. It's as if you've forgotten that some good things happened under his tenure. It wasn't all bad, even if he was rightly fired. You guys treat him as the person who shall not be named. It's as if he's Lord Voldemort.

Relax buddy. Take a breath, It's going to be ok if I mention his name.

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I think we've discovered one of Milli's other handles that the mods told us exist.