It's possible, but after speaking with former OL that played under Morriss, they were not very complimentary on his coaching their position (and I'm being kind). And, if you look at the offenses production, especially in terms of being able to run the ball under Morriss, it doesn't look like an OL that was well positioned, well coached or well developed.bear2be2 said:I think both O-linemen get drafted (Morriss, for all his flaws as a head coach, was an excellent O-line coach and teacher) and that Gettis gets drafted on potential alone. I agree on the others. But my point wasn't made to denigrate Briles' coaching or ability to develop talent. It was just to refute a tired talking point that he had no high-end talent to work with when he arrived. He didn't have enough, and the recruits he brought in allowed us to reach a new level. But the cupboard wasn't bare.ColomboLQ said:I think something that is always overlooked and was (in my opinion) Briles top strengths was his development of players and placing players in the best possible places to succeed (highlighting their strengths the best). I say this, because (again in my opinion), none of those players outside Jason Smith get drafted if they were coached by Morriss and I don't think Jason Smith becomes the #2 pick in the draft under Morriss either. Those players became draftable NFL players because Briles got the most out of them, which again, was one of the things that made him brilliant and is often an overlooked attribute (especially on this site). One of the things that I found absolutely amazing was that he got a player like Tevin Reese drafted. Tevin Reese was a 2 star recruit and weighed 170 pounds and avoided contact like the plague. He had absolutely no business getting drafted. Having said that, I also fully believe that some of the "Briles holdovers" would have been drafted had they continued to be coached by Briles. Which ones I couldn't say (though I could take guesses) but, for me at least, given what he proved he could do from a player development and playing to player's strengths aspect, I feel very confident that we would have gotten players drafted from those classes.bear2be2 said:Briles inherited six Morriss recruits who were drafted into the NFL (Jason Smith, J.D. Walton, David Gettis, Mikail Baker, Jay Finley and Terrance Williams). Thus far, not a single Briles holdover has been drafted -- Mims and Johnston will change that this year.The_barBEARian said:Yep. And CAB started with zero talent and the worst facilities in the nation. If stranger is one extreme you are his doppelganger on the other side.MilliVanilli said:Your precious Caber high coach didn't break .500 until 2012, year five of his tenure.Stranger said:Bear8084 said:Stranger said:Bear8084 said:Stranger said:Bear8084 said:Stranger said:
First of all, I am and always have been a Baylor fan. When Baylor wins I'm happy.
That said, I question the timing of this decision. Rhule has yet to bring his overall record to over .500. He is 4-0 this year but has yet to beat a team with a winning record. Last season showed seven wins but none against a team with a winning record.
The Bears grabbed a win Saturday but gave up three touchdowns in the fourth quarter and were lucky to survive.
Does anybody think this might be premature? Does Rhoads think this contract will keep Rhule from bolting to the pros like he has threatened the last two off seasons?
It seems the squad this year still poses a lot more questions than answers. And I think most of the questions lie with the coaching staff, not the players.
I remember Kevin Steele being given an extension while he still had a losing record at Baylor. Shortly afterward, he was fired.
I think all Baylor fans want the best for our team but myself and others think the jury is still out on Rhule. Could it be that Rhoads is trying to bolster his decision to hire Rhule in the first place?
Let's let the season play out then judge this decision.
We'll see.
Comparing this to the extension of Steele shows again you have no idea what you are talking about.
I know exactly what I'm talking about. Steele was given the extension to aid in recruiting, despite his losing record. We currently have a coach who was probably given an extension to aid in his recruiting.
You shouldn't disparage other posters just because they don't share your viewpoint.
No. You don't, at all. One was a terrible coach, the other isn't. They are not the same thing and neither are their contract extensions and the motives behind them.
I can call out bad posters with weird axes to grind as I please.
Kevin Steele never lost to Liberty and went 1-11. Rhule put that in the record book. We'll see how he turns out to be.
And? What else did Steele do for Baylor? What has Rhule done? How many bowls did Steele win? How many did he take us to? And NFL picks? How many wins all together? Did he have Big 12 player honors too? In all his time here, what good did Steele do? I'll give you the answer, none. None at all. Not one bit.
Now, what has Rhule done? What good has he done for Baylor? I'll give you the other answer: more than you even realize or know or refuse to see.
Like I said, We'll see. Not comparing Steele. He failed. Wins are all that counts so wait and see if Rhule can get the job done. Eleven wins this season will put him over .500.
He was exactly 25-25 after the 2011 Alamo Bowl, the last game of year four.
Your trolling is second-rate.
The notions that Art a) inherited nothing and b) left Rhule a lot simply are not grounded in fact.
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I can only go by my own experience, and I know from talking to Jason Smith at that time that he had the utmost respect for the work Morriss put in with him. Guy took Smith as a two-star tight end and basically Frankensteined him into a high-round NFL draft pick. I'd be interested in hearing more about what others had to say, though.ColomboLQ said:It's possible, but after speaking with former OL that played under Morriss, they were not very complimentary on his coaching their position (and I'm being kind). And, if you look at the offenses production, especially in terms of being able to run the ball under Morriss, it doesn't look like an OL that was well positioned, well coached or well developed.bear2be2 said:I think both O-linemen get drafted (Morriss, for all his flaws as a head coach, was an excellent O-line coach and teacher) and that Gettis gets drafted on potential alone. I agree on the others. But my point wasn't made to denigrate Briles' coaching or ability to develop talent. It was just to refute a tired talking point that he had no high-end talent to work with when he arrived. He didn't have enough, and the recruits he brought in allowed us to reach a new level. But the cupboard wasn't bare.ColomboLQ said:I think something that is always overlooked and was (in my opinion) Briles top strengths was his development of players and placing players in the best possible places to succeed (highlighting their strengths the best). I say this, because (again in my opinion), none of those players outside Jason Smith get drafted if they were coached by Morriss and I don't think Jason Smith becomes the #2 pick in the draft under Morriss either. Those players became draftable NFL players because Briles got the most out of them, which again, was one of the things that made him brilliant and is often an overlooked attribute (especially on this site). One of the things that I found absolutely amazing was that he got a player like Tevin Reese drafted. Tevin Reese was a 2 star recruit and weighed 170 pounds and avoided contact like the plague. He had absolutely no business getting drafted. Having said that, I also fully believe that some of the "Briles holdovers" would have been drafted had they continued to be coached by Briles. Which ones I couldn't say (though I could take guesses) but, for me at least, given what he proved he could do from a player development and playing to player's strengths aspect, I feel very confident that we would have gotten players drafted from those classes.bear2be2 said:Briles inherited six Morriss recruits who were drafted into the NFL (Jason Smith, J.D. Walton, David Gettis, Mikail Baker, Jay Finley and Terrance Williams). Thus far, not a single Briles holdover has been drafted -- Mims and Johnston will change that this year.The_barBEARian said:Yep. And CAB started with zero talent and the worst facilities in the nation. If stranger is one extreme you are his doppelganger on the other side.MilliVanilli said:Your precious Caber high coach didn't break .500 until 2012, year five of his tenure.Stranger said:Bear8084 said:Stranger said:Bear8084 said:Stranger said:Bear8084 said:Stranger said:
First of all, I am and always have been a Baylor fan. When Baylor wins I'm happy.
That said, I question the timing of this decision. Rhule has yet to bring his overall record to over .500. He is 4-0 this year but has yet to beat a team with a winning record. Last season showed seven wins but none against a team with a winning record.
The Bears grabbed a win Saturday but gave up three touchdowns in the fourth quarter and were lucky to survive.
Does anybody think this might be premature? Does Rhoads think this contract will keep Rhule from bolting to the pros like he has threatened the last two off seasons?
It seems the squad this year still poses a lot more questions than answers. And I think most of the questions lie with the coaching staff, not the players.
I remember Kevin Steele being given an extension while he still had a losing record at Baylor. Shortly afterward, he was fired.
I think all Baylor fans want the best for our team but myself and others think the jury is still out on Rhule. Could it be that Rhoads is trying to bolster his decision to hire Rhule in the first place?
Let's let the season play out then judge this decision.
We'll see.
Comparing this to the extension of Steele shows again you have no idea what you are talking about.
I know exactly what I'm talking about. Steele was given the extension to aid in recruiting, despite his losing record. We currently have a coach who was probably given an extension to aid in his recruiting.
You shouldn't disparage other posters just because they don't share your viewpoint.
No. You don't, at all. One was a terrible coach, the other isn't. They are not the same thing and neither are their contract extensions and the motives behind them.
I can call out bad posters with weird axes to grind as I please.
Kevin Steele never lost to Liberty and went 1-11. Rhule put that in the record book. We'll see how he turns out to be.
And? What else did Steele do for Baylor? What has Rhule done? How many bowls did Steele win? How many did he take us to? And NFL picks? How many wins all together? Did he have Big 12 player honors too? In all his time here, what good did Steele do? I'll give you the answer, none. None at all. Not one bit.
Now, what has Rhule done? What good has he done for Baylor? I'll give you the other answer: more than you even realize or know or refuse to see.
Like I said, We'll see. Not comparing Steele. He failed. Wins are all that counts so wait and see if Rhule can get the job done. Eleven wins this season will put him over .500.
He was exactly 25-25 after the 2011 Alamo Bowl, the last game of year four.
Your trolling is second-rate.
The notions that Art a) inherited nothing and b) left Rhule a lot simply are not grounded in fact.
And I think running game woes at the end of the Guy Morriss era had a lot more to do with the failed "Air Raid" scheme he brought in with Lee Hays than our O-line technique. We were a much better run blocking team early in Morriss' tenure, though Brent Pease's offense had many faults of its own.
that 05 squad was actually a fair team that had some bad breaks. They should've been 7-5 and gone to a bowl.bear2be2 said:I can only go by my own experience, and I know from talking to Jason Smith at that time that he had the utmost respect for the work Morriss put in with him. Guy took Smith as a two-star tight end and basically Frankensteined him into a high-round NFL draft pick. I'd be interested in hearing more about what others had to say, though.ColomboLQ said:It's possible, but after speaking with former OL that played under Morriss, they were not very complimentary on his coaching their position (and I'm being kind). And, if you look at the offenses production, especially in terms of being able to run the ball under Morriss, it doesn't look like an OL that was well positioned, well coached or well developed.bear2be2 said:I think both O-linemen get drafted (Morriss, for all his flaws as a head coach, was an excellent O-line coach and teacher) and that Gettis gets drafted on potential alone. I agree on the others. But my point wasn't made to denigrate Briles' coaching or ability to develop talent. It was just to refute a tired talking point that he had no high-end talent to work with when he arrived. He didn't have enough, and the recruits he brought in allowed us to reach a new level. But the cupboard wasn't bare.ColomboLQ said:I think something that is always overlooked and was (in my opinion) Briles top strengths was his development of players and placing players in the best possible places to succeed (highlighting their strengths the best). I say this, because (again in my opinion), none of those players outside Jason Smith get drafted if they were coached by Morriss and I don't think Jason Smith becomes the #2 pick in the draft under Morriss either. Those players became draftable NFL players because Briles got the most out of them, which again, was one of the things that made him brilliant and is often an overlooked attribute (especially on this site). One of the things that I found absolutely amazing was that he got a player like Tevin Reese drafted. Tevin Reese was a 2 star recruit and weighed 170 pounds and avoided contact like the plague. He had absolutely no business getting drafted. Having said that, I also fully believe that some of the "Briles holdovers" would have been drafted had they continued to be coached by Briles. Which ones I couldn't say (though I could take guesses) but, for me at least, given what he proved he could do from a player development and playing to player's strengths aspect, I feel very confident that we would have gotten players drafted from those classes.bear2be2 said:Briles inherited six Morriss recruits who were drafted into the NFL (Jason Smith, J.D. Walton, David Gettis, Mikail Baker, Jay Finley and Terrance Williams). Thus far, not a single Briles holdover has been drafted -- Mims and Johnston will change that this year.The_barBEARian said:Yep. And CAB started with zero talent and the worst facilities in the nation. If stranger is one extreme you are his doppelganger on the other side.MilliVanilli said:Your precious Caber high coach didn't break .500 until 2012, year five of his tenure.Stranger said:Bear8084 said:Stranger said:Bear8084 said:Stranger said:Bear8084 said:Stranger said:
First of all, I am and always have been a Baylor fan. When Baylor wins I'm happy.
That said, I question the timing of this decision. Rhule has yet to bring his overall record to over .500. He is 4-0 this year but has yet to beat a team with a winning record. Last season showed seven wins but none against a team with a winning record.
The Bears grabbed a win Saturday but gave up three touchdowns in the fourth quarter and were lucky to survive.
Does anybody think this might be premature? Does Rhoads think this contract will keep Rhule from bolting to the pros like he has threatened the last two off seasons?
It seems the squad this year still poses a lot more questions than answers. And I think most of the questions lie with the coaching staff, not the players.
I remember Kevin Steele being given an extension while he still had a losing record at Baylor. Shortly afterward, he was fired.
I think all Baylor fans want the best for our team but myself and others think the jury is still out on Rhule. Could it be that Rhoads is trying to bolster his decision to hire Rhule in the first place?
Let's let the season play out then judge this decision.
We'll see.
Comparing this to the extension of Steele shows again you have no idea what you are talking about.
I know exactly what I'm talking about. Steele was given the extension to aid in recruiting, despite his losing record. We currently have a coach who was probably given an extension to aid in his recruiting.
You shouldn't disparage other posters just because they don't share your viewpoint.
No. You don't, at all. One was a terrible coach, the other isn't. They are not the same thing and neither are their contract extensions and the motives behind them.
I can call out bad posters with weird axes to grind as I please.
Kevin Steele never lost to Liberty and went 1-11. Rhule put that in the record book. We'll see how he turns out to be.
And? What else did Steele do for Baylor? What has Rhule done? How many bowls did Steele win? How many did he take us to? And NFL picks? How many wins all together? Did he have Big 12 player honors too? In all his time here, what good did Steele do? I'll give you the answer, none. None at all. Not one bit.
Now, what has Rhule done? What good has he done for Baylor? I'll give you the other answer: more than you even realize or know or refuse to see.
Like I said, We'll see. Not comparing Steele. He failed. Wins are all that counts so wait and see if Rhule can get the job done. Eleven wins this season will put him over .500.
He was exactly 25-25 after the 2011 Alamo Bowl, the last game of year four.
Your trolling is second-rate.
The notions that Art a) inherited nothing and b) left Rhule a lot simply are not grounded in fact.
And I think running game woes at the end of the Guy Morriss era had a lot more to do with the failed "Air Raid" scheme he brought in with Lee Hays than our O-line technique. We were a much better run blocking team early in Morriss' tenure, though Brent Pease's offense had many faults of its own.
That may have been our best defensive team of the Big 12 era. Outside of the 62-0 shellacking the VY-led Longhorns gave us, that unit gave us a chance in virtually every other game. With a more competent offense, that team wins eight or nine games.MilliVanilli said:that 05 squad was actually a fair team that had some bad breaks. They should've been 7-5 and gone to a bowl.bear2be2 said:I can only go by my own experience, and I know from talking to Jason Smith at that time that he had the utmost respect for the work Morriss put in with him. Guy took Smith as a two-star tight end and basically Frankensteined him into a high-round NFL draft pick. I'd be interested in hearing more about what others had to say, though.ColomboLQ said:It's possible, but after speaking with former OL that played under Morriss, they were not very complimentary on his coaching their position (and I'm being kind). And, if you look at the offenses production, especially in terms of being able to run the ball under Morriss, it doesn't look like an OL that was well positioned, well coached or well developed.bear2be2 said:I think both O-linemen get drafted (Morriss, for all his flaws as a head coach, was an excellent O-line coach and teacher) and that Gettis gets drafted on potential alone. I agree on the others. But my point wasn't made to denigrate Briles' coaching or ability to develop talent. It was just to refute a tired talking point that he had no high-end talent to work with when he arrived. He didn't have enough, and the recruits he brought in allowed us to reach a new level. But the cupboard wasn't bare.ColomboLQ said:I think something that is always overlooked and was (in my opinion) Briles top strengths was his development of players and placing players in the best possible places to succeed (highlighting their strengths the best). I say this, because (again in my opinion), none of those players outside Jason Smith get drafted if they were coached by Morriss and I don't think Jason Smith becomes the #2 pick in the draft under Morriss either. Those players became draftable NFL players because Briles got the most out of them, which again, was one of the things that made him brilliant and is often an overlooked attribute (especially on this site). One of the things that I found absolutely amazing was that he got a player like Tevin Reese drafted. Tevin Reese was a 2 star recruit and weighed 170 pounds and avoided contact like the plague. He had absolutely no business getting drafted. Having said that, I also fully believe that some of the "Briles holdovers" would have been drafted had they continued to be coached by Briles. Which ones I couldn't say (though I could take guesses) but, for me at least, given what he proved he could do from a player development and playing to player's strengths aspect, I feel very confident that we would have gotten players drafted from those classes.bear2be2 said:Briles inherited six Morriss recruits who were drafted into the NFL (Jason Smith, J.D. Walton, David Gettis, Mikail Baker, Jay Finley and Terrance Williams). Thus far, not a single Briles holdover has been drafted -- Mims and Johnston will change that this year.The_barBEARian said:Yep. And CAB started with zero talent and the worst facilities in the nation. If stranger is one extreme you are his doppelganger on the other side.MilliVanilli said:Your precious Caber high coach didn't break .500 until 2012, year five of his tenure.Stranger said:Bear8084 said:Stranger said:Bear8084 said:Stranger said:Bear8084 said:Stranger said:
First of all, I am and always have been a Baylor fan. When Baylor wins I'm happy.
That said, I question the timing of this decision. Rhule has yet to bring his overall record to over .500. He is 4-0 this year but has yet to beat a team with a winning record. Last season showed seven wins but none against a team with a winning record.
The Bears grabbed a win Saturday but gave up three touchdowns in the fourth quarter and were lucky to survive.
Does anybody think this might be premature? Does Rhoads think this contract will keep Rhule from bolting to the pros like he has threatened the last two off seasons?
It seems the squad this year still poses a lot more questions than answers. And I think most of the questions lie with the coaching staff, not the players.
I remember Kevin Steele being given an extension while he still had a losing record at Baylor. Shortly afterward, he was fired.
I think all Baylor fans want the best for our team but myself and others think the jury is still out on Rhule. Could it be that Rhoads is trying to bolster his decision to hire Rhule in the first place?
Let's let the season play out then judge this decision.
We'll see.
Comparing this to the extension of Steele shows again you have no idea what you are talking about.
I know exactly what I'm talking about. Steele was given the extension to aid in recruiting, despite his losing record. We currently have a coach who was probably given an extension to aid in his recruiting.
You shouldn't disparage other posters just because they don't share your viewpoint.
No. You don't, at all. One was a terrible coach, the other isn't. They are not the same thing and neither are their contract extensions and the motives behind them.
I can call out bad posters with weird axes to grind as I please.
Kevin Steele never lost to Liberty and went 1-11. Rhule put that in the record book. We'll see how he turns out to be.
And? What else did Steele do for Baylor? What has Rhule done? How many bowls did Steele win? How many did he take us to? And NFL picks? How many wins all together? Did he have Big 12 player honors too? In all his time here, what good did Steele do? I'll give you the answer, none. None at all. Not one bit.
Now, what has Rhule done? What good has he done for Baylor? I'll give you the other answer: more than you even realize or know or refuse to see.
Like I said, We'll see. Not comparing Steele. He failed. Wins are all that counts so wait and see if Rhule can get the job done. Eleven wins this season will put him over .500.
He was exactly 25-25 after the 2011 Alamo Bowl, the last game of year four.
Your trolling is second-rate.
The notions that Art a) inherited nothing and b) left Rhule a lot simply are not grounded in fact.
And I think running game woes at the end of the Guy Morriss era had a lot more to do with the failed "Air Raid" scheme he brought in with Lee Hays than our O-line technique. We were a much better run blocking team early in Morriss' tenure, though Brent Pease's offense had many faults of its own.
ColomboLQ said:I think something that is always overlooked and was (in my opinion) Briles top strengths was his development of players and placing players in the best possible places to succeed (highlighting their strengths the best). I say this, because (again in my opinion), none of those players outside Jason Smith get drafted if they were coached by Morriss and I don't think Jason Smith becomes the #2 pick in the draft under Morriss either. Those players became draftable NFL players because Briles got the most out of them, which again, was one of the things that made him brilliant and is often an overlooked attribute (especially on this site). One of the things that I found absolutely amazing was that he got a player like Tevin Reese drafted. Tevin Reese was a 2 star recruit and weighed 170 pounds and avoided contact like the plague. He had absolutely no business getting drafted. Having said that, I also fully believe that some of the "Briles holdovers" would have been drafted had they continued to be coached by Briles. Which ones I couldn't say (though I could take guesses) but, for me at least, given what he proved he could do from a player development and playing to player's strengths aspect, I feel very confident that we would have gotten players drafted from those classes.bear2be2 said:Briles inherited six Morriss recruits who were drafted into the NFL (Jason Smith, J.D. Walton, David Gettis, Mikail Baker, Jay Finley and Terrance Williams). Thus far, not a single Briles holdover has been drafted -- Mims and Johnston will change that this year.The_barBEARian said:Yep. And CAB started with zero talent and the worst facilities in the nation. If stranger is one extreme you are his doppelganger on the other side.MilliVanilli said:Your precious Caber high coach didn't break .500 until 2012, year five of his tenure.Stranger said:Bear8084 said:Stranger said:Bear8084 said:Stranger said:Bear8084 said:Stranger said:
First of all, I am and always have been a Baylor fan. When Baylor wins I'm happy.
That said, I question the timing of this decision. Rhule has yet to bring his overall record to over .500. He is 4-0 this year but has yet to beat a team with a winning record. Last season showed seven wins but none against a team with a winning record.
The Bears grabbed a win Saturday but gave up three touchdowns in the fourth quarter and were lucky to survive.
Does anybody think this might be premature? Does Rhoads think this contract will keep Rhule from bolting to the pros like he has threatened the last two off seasons?
It seems the squad this year still poses a lot more questions than answers. And I think most of the questions lie with the coaching staff, not the players.
I remember Kevin Steele being given an extension while he still had a losing record at Baylor. Shortly afterward, he was fired.
I think all Baylor fans want the best for our team but myself and others think the jury is still out on Rhule. Could it be that Rhoads is trying to bolster his decision to hire Rhule in the first place?
Let's let the season play out then judge this decision.
We'll see.
Comparing this to the extension of Steele shows again you have no idea what you are talking about.
I know exactly what I'm talking about. Steele was given the extension to aid in recruiting, despite his losing record. We currently have a coach who was probably given an extension to aid in his recruiting.
You shouldn't disparage other posters just because they don't share your viewpoint.
No. You don't, at all. One was a terrible coach, the other isn't. They are not the same thing and neither are their contract extensions and the motives behind them.
I can call out bad posters with weird axes to grind as I please.
Kevin Steele never lost to Liberty and went 1-11. Rhule put that in the record book. We'll see how he turns out to be.
And? What else did Steele do for Baylor? What has Rhule done? How many bowls did Steele win? How many did he take us to? And NFL picks? How many wins all together? Did he have Big 12 player honors too? In all his time here, what good did Steele do? I'll give you the answer, none. None at all. Not one bit.
Now, what has Rhule done? What good has he done for Baylor? I'll give you the other answer: more than you even realize or know or refuse to see.
Like I said, We'll see. Not comparing Steele. He failed. Wins are all that counts so wait and see if Rhule can get the job done. Eleven wins this season will put him over .500.
He was exactly 25-25 after the 2011 Alamo Bowl, the last game of year four.
Your trolling is second-rate.
The notions that Art a) inherited nothing and b) left Rhule a lot simply are not grounded in fact.
Well except for the fact that Jason Smith himself said that the reason he got drafted was that he went to Morriss his freshman year and asked him to teach him how to become a successful NFL lineman like GuyMo was, and that he followed Morriss' development plan throughout his college career.
CutTheTVoff said:Gunny Hartman said:CutTheTVoff said:
So if John Mayers had missed that game winner would they still have extended Rhule to 2028?
Just sayin.
Considering the contract was signed last week prior to the game, yes.
Just sayin.
Your wise-assery is ugly and unattractive.
So you were a wise-ass first and didn't appreciate a similar response. Fascinating.
As far as unattractive? Sorry to disappoint, but I'm not into dudes.
How dare you!Aliceinbubbleland said:
Everyone who knows my posts know I'm 100% team Briles and always will be but I'm happy with Rhule and glad he has extended his contract.
ISU is 1-3Gunny Hartman said:
We just beat a very good, extremely well coached Iowa State team.
They beat N. Iowa by 3 in OT
Osodecentx said:ISU is 1-3Gunny Hartman said:
We just beat a very good, extremely well coached Iowa State team.
They beat N. Iowa by 3 in OT
Incorrect. Iowa State is 2-2 with a 1 point loss to Top 20 Iowa and just hung 72 points on ULM the prior week.
You are correctGunny Hartman said:Osodecentx said:ISU is 1-3Gunny Hartman said:
We just beat a very good, extremely well coached Iowa State team.
They beat N. Iowa by 3 in OT
Incorrect. Iowa State is 2-2 with a 1 point loss to Top 20 Iowa and just hung 72 points on ULM the prior week.
Wins over LA-Monroe & N Iowa
Apologies
Osodecentx said:You are correctGunny Hartman said:Osodecentx said:ISU is 1-3Gunny Hartman said:
We just beat a very good, extremely well coached Iowa State team.
They beat N. Iowa by 3 in OT
Incorrect. Iowa State is 2-2 with a 1 point loss to Top 20 Iowa and just hung 72 points on ULM the prior week.
Wins over LA-Monroe & N Iowa
Apologies
I know you think you're being cute with this post, but it won't age well.
Am I incorrect?Gunny Hartman said:Osodecentx said:You are correctGunny Hartman said:Osodecentx said:ISU is 1-3Gunny Hartman said:
We just beat a very good, extremely well coached Iowa State team.
They beat N. Iowa by 3 in OT
Incorrect. Iowa State is 2-2 with a 1 point loss to Top 20 Iowa and just hung 72 points on ULM the prior week.
Wins over LA-Monroe & N Iowa
Apologies
I know you think you're being cute with this post, but it won't age well.
I wish Rhule all the best.
Osodecentx said:Am I incorrect?Gunny Hartman said:Osodecentx said:You are correctGunny Hartman said:Osodecentx said:ISU is 1-3Gunny Hartman said:
We just beat a very good, extremely well coached Iowa State team.
They beat N. Iowa by 3 in OT
Incorrect. Iowa State is 2-2 with a 1 point loss to Top 20 Iowa and just hung 72 points on ULM the prior week.
Wins over LA-Monroe & N Iowa
Apologies
I know you think you're being cute with this post, but it won't age well.
I wish Rhule all the best.
Not sure what Rhule has to do with ISU's record.
It appears you're trying to minimize who they've beaten thus far. ISU will have a solid season in the Big 12.
Absolutely!!Gunny Hartman said:Osodecentx said:Am I incorrect?Gunny Hartman said:Osodecentx said:You are correctGunny Hartman said:Osodecentx said:ISU is 1-3Gunny Hartman said:
We just beat a very good, extremely well coached Iowa State team.
They beat N. Iowa by 3 in OT
Incorrect. Iowa State is 2-2 with a 1 point loss to Top 20 Iowa and just hung 72 points on ULM the prior week.
Wins over LA-Monroe & N Iowa
Apologies
I know you think you're being cute with this post, but it won't age well.
I wish Rhule all the best.
ISU will have a solid season in the Big 12.
Just curious... what is your prediction for this weekend?Gunny Hartman said:Osodecentx said:Am I incorrect?Gunny Hartman said:Osodecentx said:You are correctGunny Hartman said:Osodecentx said:ISU is 1-3Gunny Hartman said:
We just beat a very good, extremely well coached Iowa State team.
They beat N. Iowa by 3 in OT
Incorrect. Iowa State is 2-2 with a 1 point loss to Top 20 Iowa and just hung 72 points on ULM the prior week.
Wins over LA-Monroe & N Iowa
Apologies
I know you think you're being cute with this post, but it won't age well.
I wish Rhule all the best.
Not sure what Rhule has to do with ISU's record.
It appears you're trying to minimize who they've beaten thus far. ISU will have a solid season in the Big 12.
Baylor by 20
Cabers, just like your hero, it's time to hang up the cleats, and turn out the lights because the party is over.
That's actually not close to being true. In the entire Morriss tenure, the best we ever did as a rushing offense was 3.2 yards a carry good for 99th in 2004 and 101st in 2007 (which happened to be Lee Hays only season) in all of college football. In Brent Pease's last season we averaged 2.0 yards a carry, good for 118th, which I can't even call pathetic because it's way worse than that. Guy Morriss NEVER had a decent running game. Actually, to be even more accurate, Guy Morriss never even had a bad running game. We were never good enough to be called bad. Which makes CAB's first season all the more remarkable considering in year ONE(!!!) Baylor averaged 4.8 yards a carry good for 21st in the country. Now that's what you call a legitimate and objective impact.bear2be2 said:I can only go by my own experience, and I know from talking to Jason Smith at that time that he had the utmost respect for the work Morriss put in with him. Guy took Smith as a two-star tight end and basically Frankensteined him into a high-round NFL draft pick. I'd be interested in hearing more about what others had to say, though.ColomboLQ said:It's possible, but after speaking with former OL that played under Morriss, they were not very complimentary on his coaching their position (and I'm being kind). And, if you look at the offenses production, especially in terms of being able to run the ball under Morriss, it doesn't look like an OL that was well positioned, well coached or well developed.bear2be2 said:I think both O-linemen get drafted (Morriss, for all his flaws as a head coach, was an excellent O-line coach and teacher) and that Gettis gets drafted on potential alone. I agree on the others. But my point wasn't made to denigrate Briles' coaching or ability to develop talent. It was just to refute a tired talking point that he had no high-end talent to work with when he arrived. He didn't have enough, and the recruits he brought in allowed us to reach a new level. But the cupboard wasn't bare.ColomboLQ said:I think something that is always overlooked and was (in my opinion) Briles top strengths was his development of players and placing players in the best possible places to succeed (highlighting their strengths the best). I say this, because (again in my opinion), none of those players outside Jason Smith get drafted if they were coached by Morriss and I don't think Jason Smith becomes the #2 pick in the draft under Morriss either. Those players became draftable NFL players because Briles got the most out of them, which again, was one of the things that made him brilliant and is often an overlooked attribute (especially on this site). One of the things that I found absolutely amazing was that he got a player like Tevin Reese drafted. Tevin Reese was a 2 star recruit and weighed 170 pounds and avoided contact like the plague. He had absolutely no business getting drafted. Having said that, I also fully believe that some of the "Briles holdovers" would have been drafted had they continued to be coached by Briles. Which ones I couldn't say (though I could take guesses) but, for me at least, given what he proved he could do from a player development and playing to player's strengths aspect, I feel very confident that we would have gotten players drafted from those classes.bear2be2 said:Briles inherited six Morriss recruits who were drafted into the NFL (Jason Smith, J.D. Walton, David Gettis, Mikail Baker, Jay Finley and Terrance Williams). Thus far, not a single Briles holdover has been drafted -- Mims and Johnston will change that this year.The_barBEARian said:Yep. And CAB started with zero talent and the worst facilities in the nation. If stranger is one extreme you are his doppelganger on the other side.MilliVanilli said:Your precious Caber high coach didn't break .500 until 2012, year five of his tenure.Stranger said:Bear8084 said:Stranger said:Bear8084 said:Stranger said:Bear8084 said:Stranger said:
First of all, I am and always have been a Baylor fan. When Baylor wins I'm happy.
That said, I question the timing of this decision. Rhule has yet to bring his overall record to over .500. He is 4-0 this year but has yet to beat a team with a winning record. Last season showed seven wins but none against a team with a winning record.
The Bears grabbed a win Saturday but gave up three touchdowns in the fourth quarter and were lucky to survive.
Does anybody think this might be premature? Does Rhoads think this contract will keep Rhule from bolting to the pros like he has threatened the last two off seasons?
It seems the squad this year still poses a lot more questions than answers. And I think most of the questions lie with the coaching staff, not the players.
I remember Kevin Steele being given an extension while he still had a losing record at Baylor. Shortly afterward, he was fired.
I think all Baylor fans want the best for our team but myself and others think the jury is still out on Rhule. Could it be that Rhoads is trying to bolster his decision to hire Rhule in the first place?
Let's let the season play out then judge this decision.
We'll see.
Comparing this to the extension of Steele shows again you have no idea what you are talking about.
I know exactly what I'm talking about. Steele was given the extension to aid in recruiting, despite his losing record. We currently have a coach who was probably given an extension to aid in his recruiting.
You shouldn't disparage other posters just because they don't share your viewpoint.
No. You don't, at all. One was a terrible coach, the other isn't. They are not the same thing and neither are their contract extensions and the motives behind them.
I can call out bad posters with weird axes to grind as I please.
Kevin Steele never lost to Liberty and went 1-11. Rhule put that in the record book. We'll see how he turns out to be.
And? What else did Steele do for Baylor? What has Rhule done? How many bowls did Steele win? How many did he take us to? And NFL picks? How many wins all together? Did he have Big 12 player honors too? In all his time here, what good did Steele do? I'll give you the answer, none. None at all. Not one bit.
Now, what has Rhule done? What good has he done for Baylor? I'll give you the other answer: more than you even realize or know or refuse to see.
Like I said, We'll see. Not comparing Steele. He failed. Wins are all that counts so wait and see if Rhule can get the job done. Eleven wins this season will put him over .500.
He was exactly 25-25 after the 2011 Alamo Bowl, the last game of year four.
Your trolling is second-rate.
The notions that Art a) inherited nothing and b) left Rhule a lot simply are not grounded in fact.
And I think running game woes at the end of the Guy Morriss era had a lot more to do with the failed "Air Raid" scheme he brought in with Lee Hays than our O-line technique. We were a much better run blocking team early in Morriss' tenure, though Brent Pease's offense had many faults of its own.
The 2005 defense was a top 60 defense in terms of points per play. The year before (2004) and year after (2006), they were barely a top 100 defense, in other words really bad still. I agree with Milli in that the 2005 defense, as a top 60 defense had a shot at 7 wins getting a lot of breaks. There is no way they could have won 8 or 9.bear2be2 said:That may have been our best defensive team of the Big 12 era. Outside of the 62-0 shellacking the VY-led Longhorns gave us, that unit gave us a chance in virtually every other game. With a more competent offense, that team wins eight or nine games.MilliVanilli said:that 05 squad was actually a fair team that had some bad breaks. They should've been 7-5 and gone to a bowl.bear2be2 said:I can only go by my own experience, and I know from talking to Jason Smith at that time that he had the utmost respect for the work Morriss put in with him. Guy took Smith as a two-star tight end and basically Frankensteined him into a high-round NFL draft pick. I'd be interested in hearing more about what others had to say, though.ColomboLQ said:It's possible, but after speaking with former OL that played under Morriss, they were not very complimentary on his coaching their position (and I'm being kind). And, if you look at the offenses production, especially in terms of being able to run the ball under Morriss, it doesn't look like an OL that was well positioned, well coached or well developed.bear2be2 said:I think both O-linemen get drafted (Morriss, for all his flaws as a head coach, was an excellent O-line coach and teacher) and that Gettis gets drafted on potential alone. I agree on the others. But my point wasn't made to denigrate Briles' coaching or ability to develop talent. It was just to refute a tired talking point that he had no high-end talent to work with when he arrived. He didn't have enough, and the recruits he brought in allowed us to reach a new level. But the cupboard wasn't bare.ColomboLQ said:I think something that is always overlooked and was (in my opinion) Briles top strengths was his development of players and placing players in the best possible places to succeed (highlighting their strengths the best). I say this, because (again in my opinion), none of those players outside Jason Smith get drafted if they were coached by Morriss and I don't think Jason Smith becomes the #2 pick in the draft under Morriss either. Those players became draftable NFL players because Briles got the most out of them, which again, was one of the things that made him brilliant and is often an overlooked attribute (especially on this site). One of the things that I found absolutely amazing was that he got a player like Tevin Reese drafted. Tevin Reese was a 2 star recruit and weighed 170 pounds and avoided contact like the plague. He had absolutely no business getting drafted. Having said that, I also fully believe that some of the "Briles holdovers" would have been drafted had they continued to be coached by Briles. Which ones I couldn't say (though I could take guesses) but, for me at least, given what he proved he could do from a player development and playing to player's strengths aspect, I feel very confident that we would have gotten players drafted from those classes.bear2be2 said:Briles inherited six Morriss recruits who were drafted into the NFL (Jason Smith, J.D. Walton, David Gettis, Mikail Baker, Jay Finley and Terrance Williams). Thus far, not a single Briles holdover has been drafted -- Mims and Johnston will change that this year.The_barBEARian said:Yep. And CAB started with zero talent and the worst facilities in the nation. If stranger is one extreme you are his doppelganger on the other side.MilliVanilli said:Your precious Caber high coach didn't break .500 until 2012, year five of his tenure.Stranger said:Bear8084 said:Stranger said:Bear8084 said:Stranger said:Bear8084 said:Stranger said:
First of all, I am and always have been a Baylor fan. When Baylor wins I'm happy.
That said, I question the timing of this decision. Rhule has yet to bring his overall record to over .500. He is 4-0 this year but has yet to beat a team with a winning record. Last season showed seven wins but none against a team with a winning record.
The Bears grabbed a win Saturday but gave up three touchdowns in the fourth quarter and were lucky to survive.
Does anybody think this might be premature? Does Rhoads think this contract will keep Rhule from bolting to the pros like he has threatened the last two off seasons?
It seems the squad this year still poses a lot more questions than answers. And I think most of the questions lie with the coaching staff, not the players.
I remember Kevin Steele being given an extension while he still had a losing record at Baylor. Shortly afterward, he was fired.
I think all Baylor fans want the best for our team but myself and others think the jury is still out on Rhule. Could it be that Rhoads is trying to bolster his decision to hire Rhule in the first place?
Let's let the season play out then judge this decision.
We'll see.
Comparing this to the extension of Steele shows again you have no idea what you are talking about.
I know exactly what I'm talking about. Steele was given the extension to aid in recruiting, despite his losing record. We currently have a coach who was probably given an extension to aid in his recruiting.
You shouldn't disparage other posters just because they don't share your viewpoint.
No. You don't, at all. One was a terrible coach, the other isn't. They are not the same thing and neither are their contract extensions and the motives behind them.
I can call out bad posters with weird axes to grind as I please.
Kevin Steele never lost to Liberty and went 1-11. Rhule put that in the record book. We'll see how he turns out to be.
And? What else did Steele do for Baylor? What has Rhule done? How many bowls did Steele win? How many did he take us to? And NFL picks? How many wins all together? Did he have Big 12 player honors too? In all his time here, what good did Steele do? I'll give you the answer, none. None at all. Not one bit.
Now, what has Rhule done? What good has he done for Baylor? I'll give you the other answer: more than you even realize or know or refuse to see.
Like I said, We'll see. Not comparing Steele. He failed. Wins are all that counts so wait and see if Rhule can get the job done. Eleven wins this season will put him over .500.
He was exactly 25-25 after the 2011 Alamo Bowl, the last game of year four.
Your trolling is second-rate.
The notions that Art a) inherited nothing and b) left Rhule a lot simply are not grounded in fact.
And I think running game woes at the end of the Guy Morriss era had a lot more to do with the failed "Air Raid" scheme he brought in with Lee Hays than our O-line technique. We were a much better run blocking team early in Morriss' tenure, though Brent Pease's offense had many faults of its own.
For some reason I was under the impression that English was your first language, but now seeing how you do not understand the meaning of the word elite and cannot do basic reading comprehension, I apologize that I was wrong. I will try to write things out in a simpler and more understandable fashion so that hopefully you are able to understand given your limitations at this point. I did not say I did not believe Jason Smith would not be drafted under Guy Morriss. I said I did not believe he'd be drafted #2 overall under Morriss. I understand that the English language has a lot of nuances, and although this might be difficult for you to follow today, there is actually a big difference between the 2 statements. I hope that clears things up for you but if it doesn't, I'll be sure to continue to follow up.Gunny Hartman said:ColomboLQ said:I think something that is always overlooked and was (in my opinion) Briles top strengths was his development of players and placing players in the best possible places to succeed (highlighting their strengths the best). I say this, because (again in my opinion), none of those players outside Jason Smith get drafted if they were coached by Morriss and I don't think Jason Smith becomes the #2 pick in the draft under Morriss either. Those players became draftable NFL players because Briles got the most out of them, which again, was one of the things that made him brilliant and is often an overlooked attribute (especially on this site). One of the things that I found absolutely amazing was that he got a player like Tevin Reese drafted. Tevin Reese was a 2 star recruit and weighed 170 pounds and avoided contact like the plague. He had absolutely no business getting drafted. Having said that, I also fully believe that some of the "Briles holdovers" would have been drafted had they continued to be coached by Briles. Which ones I couldn't say (though I could take guesses) but, for me at least, given what he proved he could do from a player development and playing to player's strengths aspect, I feel very confident that we would have gotten players drafted from those classes.bear2be2 said:Briles inherited six Morriss recruits who were drafted into the NFL (Jason Smith, J.D. Walton, David Gettis, Mikail Baker, Jay Finley and Terrance Williams). Thus far, not a single Briles holdover has been drafted -- Mims and Johnston will change that this year.The_barBEARian said:Yep. And CAB started with zero talent and the worst facilities in the nation. If stranger is one extreme you are his doppelganger on the other side.MilliVanilli said:Your precious Caber high coach didn't break .500 until 2012, year five of his tenure.Stranger said:Bear8084 said:Stranger said:Bear8084 said:Stranger said:Bear8084 said:Stranger said:
First of all, I am and always have been a Baylor fan. When Baylor wins I'm happy.
That said, I question the timing of this decision. Rhule has yet to bring his overall record to over .500. He is 4-0 this year but has yet to beat a team with a winning record. Last season showed seven wins but none against a team with a winning record.
The Bears grabbed a win Saturday but gave up three touchdowns in the fourth quarter and were lucky to survive.
Does anybody think this might be premature? Does Rhoads think this contract will keep Rhule from bolting to the pros like he has threatened the last two off seasons?
It seems the squad this year still poses a lot more questions than answers. And I think most of the questions lie with the coaching staff, not the players.
I remember Kevin Steele being given an extension while he still had a losing record at Baylor. Shortly afterward, he was fired.
I think all Baylor fans want the best for our team but myself and others think the jury is still out on Rhule. Could it be that Rhoads is trying to bolster his decision to hire Rhule in the first place?
Let's let the season play out then judge this decision.
We'll see.
Comparing this to the extension of Steele shows again you have no idea what you are talking about.
I know exactly what I'm talking about. Steele was given the extension to aid in recruiting, despite his losing record. We currently have a coach who was probably given an extension to aid in his recruiting.
You shouldn't disparage other posters just because they don't share your viewpoint.
No. You don't, at all. One was a terrible coach, the other isn't. They are not the same thing and neither are their contract extensions and the motives behind them.
I can call out bad posters with weird axes to grind as I please.
Kevin Steele never lost to Liberty and went 1-11. Rhule put that in the record book. We'll see how he turns out to be.
And? What else did Steele do for Baylor? What has Rhule done? How many bowls did Steele win? How many did he take us to? And NFL picks? How many wins all together? Did he have Big 12 player honors too? In all his time here, what good did Steele do? I'll give you the answer, none. None at all. Not one bit.
Now, what has Rhule done? What good has he done for Baylor? I'll give you the other answer: more than you even realize or know or refuse to see.
Like I said, We'll see. Not comparing Steele. He failed. Wins are all that counts so wait and see if Rhule can get the job done. Eleven wins this season will put him over .500.
He was exactly 25-25 after the 2011 Alamo Bowl, the last game of year four.
Your trolling is second-rate.
The notions that Art a) inherited nothing and b) left Rhule a lot simply are not grounded in fact.
Well except for the fact that Jason Smith himself said that the reason he got drafted was that he went to Morriss his freshman year and asked him to teach him how to become a successful NFL lineman like GuyMo was, and that he followed Morriss' development plan throughout his college career.
The_barBEARian said:Just curious... what is your prediction for this weekend?Gunny Hartman said:Osodecentx said:Am I incorrect?Gunny Hartman said:Osodecentx said:You are correctGunny Hartman said:Osodecentx said:ISU is 1-3Gunny Hartman said:
We just beat a very good, extremely well coached Iowa State team.
They beat N. Iowa by 3 in OT
Incorrect. Iowa State is 2-2 with a 1 point loss to Top 20 Iowa and just hung 72 points on ULM the prior week.
Wins over LA-Monroe & N Iowa
Apologies
I know you think you're being cute with this post, but it won't age well.
I wish Rhule all the best.
Not sure what Rhule has to do with ISU's record.
It appears you're trying to minimize who they've beaten thus far. ISU will have a solid season in the Big 12.
I haven't watched more than a few minutes of K-State this season so I don't have enough information to make a prediction.
I will say that prior to the season, I predicted us finishing 9-3 with an emotional, hard fought win over Iowa State, and then a letdown/wake up call loss the next week to K State in Manhattan.
Hopefully my shot in the dark prediction was wrong. Since the little apple is one of the toughest places to play in the conference, and Klieman is an outstanding coach, I'll be quite pleased just to get out of there with a W. If I had to bet now, based on a cursory review of K state's season thus far, I'd wager that we will.
I actually completely agree with you. I'm nervous about a let down this weekend for the reasons you gave above. Also, Rhule's road record... not bringing it up as a knock against him.... it is what it is, but I am hoping the road game woes will get corrected this season. I think Colt posted the ESPN FPI and it gave a 40% chance for Baylor to win. And unfortunately that actually feels spot on to me. We lucked out last weekend. I hope that game winning field goal wasnt a fluke, bcs we are going to need a reliable kicking game to scratch out wins against teams like K-State, Ok State, TCU, and most importantly Texas.Gunny Hartman said:The_barBEARian said:Just curious... what is your prediction for this weekend?Gunny Hartman said:Osodecentx said:Am I incorrect?Gunny Hartman said:Osodecentx said:You are correctGunny Hartman said:Osodecentx said:ISU is 1-3Gunny Hartman said:
We just beat a very good, extremely well coached Iowa State team.
They beat N. Iowa by 3 in OT
Incorrect. Iowa State is 2-2 with a 1 point loss to Top 20 Iowa and just hung 72 points on ULM the prior week.
Wins over LA-Monroe & N Iowa
Apologies
I know you think you're being cute with this post, but it won't age well.
I wish Rhule all the best.
Not sure what Rhule has to do with ISU's record.
It appears you're trying to minimize who they've beaten thus far. ISU will have a solid season in the Big 12.
I haven't watched more than a few minutes of K-State this season so I don't have enough information to make a prediction.
I will say that prior to the season, I predicted us finishing 9-3 with an emotional, hard fought win over Iowa State, and then a letdown/wake up call loss the next week to K State in Manhattan.
Hopefully my shot in the dark prediction was wrong. I'll be quite pleased just to get out of there with a W. If I had to bet now, based on a cursory review of K state's season thus far, I'd wager that we will.
Hays was at Baylor for two seasons -- 2006 and 2007 -- so that last season you're attributing to Pease was actually Hays' first year. And while our ypc average was up slightly in 2007, we averaged only 24.8 attempts and 77.8 yards per game on the ground, so the impact was minuscule.ColomboLQ said:That's actually not close to being true. In the entire Morriss tenure, the best we ever did as a rushing offense was 3.2 yards a carry good for 99th in 2004 and 101st in 2007 (which happened to be Lee Hays only season) in all of college football. In Brent Pease's last season we averaged 2.0 yards a carry, good for 118th, which I can't even call pathetic because it's way worse than that. Guy Morriss NEVER had a decent running game. Actually, to be even more accurate, Guy Morriss never even had a bad running game. We were never good enough to be called bad. Which makes CAB's first season all the more remarkable considering in year ONE(!!!) Baylor averaged 4.8 yards a carry good for 21st in the country. Now that's what you call a legitimate and objective impact.bear2be2 said:I can only go by my own experience, and I know from talking to Jason Smith at that time that he had the utmost respect for the work Morriss put in with him. Guy took Smith as a two-star tight end and basically Frankensteined him into a high-round NFL draft pick. I'd be interested in hearing more about what others had to say, though.ColomboLQ said:It's possible, but after speaking with former OL that played under Morriss, they were not very complimentary on his coaching their position (and I'm being kind). And, if you look at the offenses production, especially in terms of being able to run the ball under Morriss, it doesn't look like an OL that was well positioned, well coached or well developed.bear2be2 said:I think both O-linemen get drafted (Morriss, for all his flaws as a head coach, was an excellent O-line coach and teacher) and that Gettis gets drafted on potential alone. I agree on the others. But my point wasn't made to denigrate Briles' coaching or ability to develop talent. It was just to refute a tired talking point that he had no high-end talent to work with when he arrived. He didn't have enough, and the recruits he brought in allowed us to reach a new level. But the cupboard wasn't bare.ColomboLQ said:I think something that is always overlooked and was (in my opinion) Briles top strengths was his development of players and placing players in the best possible places to succeed (highlighting their strengths the best). I say this, because (again in my opinion), none of those players outside Jason Smith get drafted if they were coached by Morriss and I don't think Jason Smith becomes the #2 pick in the draft under Morriss either. Those players became draftable NFL players because Briles got the most out of them, which again, was one of the things that made him brilliant and is often an overlooked attribute (especially on this site). One of the things that I found absolutely amazing was that he got a player like Tevin Reese drafted. Tevin Reese was a 2 star recruit and weighed 170 pounds and avoided contact like the plague. He had absolutely no business getting drafted. Having said that, I also fully believe that some of the "Briles holdovers" would have been drafted had they continued to be coached by Briles. Which ones I couldn't say (though I could take guesses) but, for me at least, given what he proved he could do from a player development and playing to player's strengths aspect, I feel very confident that we would have gotten players drafted from those classes.bear2be2 said:Briles inherited six Morriss recruits who were drafted into the NFL (Jason Smith, J.D. Walton, David Gettis, Mikail Baker, Jay Finley and Terrance Williams). Thus far, not a single Briles holdover has been drafted -- Mims and Johnston will change that this year.The_barBEARian said:Yep. And CAB started with zero talent and the worst facilities in the nation. If stranger is one extreme you are his doppelganger on the other side.MilliVanilli said:Your precious Caber high coach didn't break .500 until 2012, year five of his tenure.Stranger said:Bear8084 said:Stranger said:Bear8084 said:Stranger said:Bear8084 said:Stranger said:
First of all, I am and always have been a Baylor fan. When Baylor wins I'm happy.
That said, I question the timing of this decision. Rhule has yet to bring his overall record to over .500. He is 4-0 this year but has yet to beat a team with a winning record. Last season showed seven wins but none against a team with a winning record.
The Bears grabbed a win Saturday but gave up three touchdowns in the fourth quarter and were lucky to survive.
Does anybody think this might be premature? Does Rhoads think this contract will keep Rhule from bolting to the pros like he has threatened the last two off seasons?
It seems the squad this year still poses a lot more questions than answers. And I think most of the questions lie with the coaching staff, not the players.
I remember Kevin Steele being given an extension while he still had a losing record at Baylor. Shortly afterward, he was fired.
I think all Baylor fans want the best for our team but myself and others think the jury is still out on Rhule. Could it be that Rhoads is trying to bolster his decision to hire Rhule in the first place?
Let's let the season play out then judge this decision.
We'll see.
Comparing this to the extension of Steele shows again you have no idea what you are talking about.
I know exactly what I'm talking about. Steele was given the extension to aid in recruiting, despite his losing record. We currently have a coach who was probably given an extension to aid in his recruiting.
You shouldn't disparage other posters just because they don't share your viewpoint.
No. You don't, at all. One was a terrible coach, the other isn't. They are not the same thing and neither are their contract extensions and the motives behind them.
I can call out bad posters with weird axes to grind as I please.
Kevin Steele never lost to Liberty and went 1-11. Rhule put that in the record book. We'll see how he turns out to be.
And? What else did Steele do for Baylor? What has Rhule done? How many bowls did Steele win? How many did he take us to? And NFL picks? How many wins all together? Did he have Big 12 player honors too? In all his time here, what good did Steele do? I'll give you the answer, none. None at all. Not one bit.
Now, what has Rhule done? What good has he done for Baylor? I'll give you the other answer: more than you even realize or know or refuse to see.
Like I said, We'll see. Not comparing Steele. He failed. Wins are all that counts so wait and see if Rhule can get the job done. Eleven wins this season will put him over .500.
He was exactly 25-25 after the 2011 Alamo Bowl, the last game of year four.
Your trolling is second-rate.
The notions that Art a) inherited nothing and b) left Rhule a lot simply are not grounded in fact.
And I think running game woes at the end of the Guy Morriss era had a lot more to do with the failed "Air Raid" scheme he brought in with Lee Hays than our O-line technique. We were a much better run blocking team early in Morriss' tenure, though Brent Pease's offense had many faults of its own.
Pease's teams didn't run the ball particularly well either, and I'm not trying to argue they did, but we did have a 1,000-yard rusher in his first season on a team that was utterly devoid of talent, and had a modicum of success on the ground with Paul Mosley and Anthony Krieg/Brandon Whitaker in his next two seasons.
That 2006 team was one of the worst rushing teams in the history of college football. It averaged an insane 40.2 yards per game on the ground. So saying we were a much better running team before that isn't exactly breaking ground.
And I agree with you on Briles' impact, though Robert Griffin can be thanked for that as well. Without him, we likely don't run the ball particularly well that first Briles' season either.
No way? They lost six games -- two in overtime and another by a 23-14 margin at home to Nebraska. All of those are very easily reversed with a more competent offense, so that's eight right there.ColomboLQ said:The 2005 defense was a top 60 defense in terms of points per play. The year before (2004) and year after (2006), they were barely a top 100 defense, in other words really bad still. I agree with Milli in that the 2005 defense, as a top 60 defense had a shot at 7 wins getting a lot of breaks. There is no way they could have won 8 or 9.bear2be2 said:That may have been our best defensive team of the Big 12 era. Outside of the 62-0 shellacking the VY-led Longhorns gave us, that unit gave us a chance in virtually every other game. With a more competent offense, that team wins eight or nine games.MilliVanilli said:that 05 squad was actually a fair team that had some bad breaks. They should've been 7-5 and gone to a bowl.bear2be2 said:I can only go by my own experience, and I know from talking to Jason Smith at that time that he had the utmost respect for the work Morriss put in with him. Guy took Smith as a two-star tight end and basically Frankensteined him into a high-round NFL draft pick. I'd be interested in hearing more about what others had to say, though.ColomboLQ said:It's possible, but after speaking with former OL that played under Morriss, they were not very complimentary on his coaching their position (and I'm being kind). And, if you look at the offenses production, especially in terms of being able to run the ball under Morriss, it doesn't look like an OL that was well positioned, well coached or well developed.bear2be2 said:I think both O-linemen get drafted (Morriss, for all his flaws as a head coach, was an excellent O-line coach and teacher) and that Gettis gets drafted on potential alone. I agree on the others. But my point wasn't made to denigrate Briles' coaching or ability to develop talent. It was just to refute a tired talking point that he had no high-end talent to work with when he arrived. He didn't have enough, and the recruits he brought in allowed us to reach a new level. But the cupboard wasn't bare.ColomboLQ said:I think something that is always overlooked and was (in my opinion) Briles top strengths was his development of players and placing players in the best possible places to succeed (highlighting their strengths the best). I say this, because (again in my opinion), none of those players outside Jason Smith get drafted if they were coached by Morriss and I don't think Jason Smith becomes the #2 pick in the draft under Morriss either. Those players became draftable NFL players because Briles got the most out of them, which again, was one of the things that made him brilliant and is often an overlooked attribute (especially on this site). One of the things that I found absolutely amazing was that he got a player like Tevin Reese drafted. Tevin Reese was a 2 star recruit and weighed 170 pounds and avoided contact like the plague. He had absolutely no business getting drafted. Having said that, I also fully believe that some of the "Briles holdovers" would have been drafted had they continued to be coached by Briles. Which ones I couldn't say (though I could take guesses) but, for me at least, given what he proved he could do from a player development and playing to player's strengths aspect, I feel very confident that we would have gotten players drafted from those classes.bear2be2 said:Briles inherited six Morriss recruits who were drafted into the NFL (Jason Smith, J.D. Walton, David Gettis, Mikail Baker, Jay Finley and Terrance Williams). Thus far, not a single Briles holdover has been drafted -- Mims and Johnston will change that this year.The_barBEARian said:Yep. And CAB started with zero talent and the worst facilities in the nation. If stranger is one extreme you are his doppelganger on the other side.MilliVanilli said:Your precious Caber high coach didn't break .500 until 2012, year five of his tenure.Stranger said:Bear8084 said:Stranger said:Bear8084 said:Stranger said:Bear8084 said:Stranger said:
First of all, I am and always have been a Baylor fan. When Baylor wins I'm happy.
That said, I question the timing of this decision. Rhule has yet to bring his overall record to over .500. He is 4-0 this year but has yet to beat a team with a winning record. Last season showed seven wins but none against a team with a winning record.
The Bears grabbed a win Saturday but gave up three touchdowns in the fourth quarter and were lucky to survive.
Does anybody think this might be premature? Does Rhoads think this contract will keep Rhule from bolting to the pros like he has threatened the last two off seasons?
It seems the squad this year still poses a lot more questions than answers. And I think most of the questions lie with the coaching staff, not the players.
I remember Kevin Steele being given an extension while he still had a losing record at Baylor. Shortly afterward, he was fired.
I think all Baylor fans want the best for our team but myself and others think the jury is still out on Rhule. Could it be that Rhoads is trying to bolster his decision to hire Rhule in the first place?
Let's let the season play out then judge this decision.
We'll see.
Comparing this to the extension of Steele shows again you have no idea what you are talking about.
I know exactly what I'm talking about. Steele was given the extension to aid in recruiting, despite his losing record. We currently have a coach who was probably given an extension to aid in his recruiting.
You shouldn't disparage other posters just because they don't share your viewpoint.
No. You don't, at all. One was a terrible coach, the other isn't. They are not the same thing and neither are their contract extensions and the motives behind them.
I can call out bad posters with weird axes to grind as I please.
Kevin Steele never lost to Liberty and went 1-11. Rhule put that in the record book. We'll see how he turns out to be.
And? What else did Steele do for Baylor? What has Rhule done? How many bowls did Steele win? How many did he take us to? And NFL picks? How many wins all together? Did he have Big 12 player honors too? In all his time here, what good did Steele do? I'll give you the answer, none. None at all. Not one bit.
Now, what has Rhule done? What good has he done for Baylor? I'll give you the other answer: more than you even realize or know or refuse to see.
Like I said, We'll see. Not comparing Steele. He failed. Wins are all that counts so wait and see if Rhule can get the job done. Eleven wins this season will put him over .500.
He was exactly 25-25 after the 2011 Alamo Bowl, the last game of year four.
Your trolling is second-rate.
The notions that Art a) inherited nothing and b) left Rhule a lot simply are not grounded in fact.
And I think running game woes at the end of the Guy Morriss era had a lot more to do with the failed "Air Raid" scheme he brought in with Lee Hays than our O-line technique. We were a much better run blocking team early in Morriss' tenure, though Brent Pease's offense had many faults of its own.
And in their other two non-Texas losses, they allowed 28 and 31 points in games where their offense literally did nothing for a half or longer. With a better offense, those games could have been completely different. Hell, we almost came back in the Missouri game despite spotting them a 24-0 lead midway through the third quarter.
bear2be2 said:No way? They lost six games -- two in overtime and another by a 23-14 margin at home to Nebraska. All of those are very easily reversed with a more competent offense, so that's eight right there.ColomboLQ said:The 2005 defense was a top 60 defense in terms of points per play. The year before (2004) and year after (2006), they were barely a top 100 defense, in other words really bad still. I agree with Milli in that the 2005 defense, as a top 60 defense had a shot at 7 wins getting a lot of breaks. There is no way they could have won 8 or 9.bear2be2 said:That may have been our best defensive team of the Big 12 era. Outside of the 62-0 shellacking the VY-led Longhorns gave us, that unit gave us a chance in virtually every other game. With a more competent offense, that team wins eight or nine games.MilliVanilli said:that 05 squad was actually a fair team that had some bad breaks. They should've been 7-5 and gone to a bowl.bear2be2 said:I can only go by my own experience, and I know from talking to Jason Smith at that time that he had the utmost respect for the work Morriss put in with him. Guy took Smith as a two-star tight end and basically Frankensteined him into a high-round NFL draft pick. I'd be interested in hearing more about what others had to say, though.ColomboLQ said:It's possible, but after speaking with former OL that played under Morriss, they were not very complimentary on his coaching their position (and I'm being kind). And, if you look at the offenses production, especially in terms of being able to run the ball under Morriss, it doesn't look like an OL that was well positioned, well coached or well developed.bear2be2 said:I think both O-linemen get drafted (Morriss, for all his flaws as a head coach, was an excellent O-line coach and teacher) and that Gettis gets drafted on potential alone. I agree on the others. But my point wasn't made to denigrate Briles' coaching or ability to develop talent. It was just to refute a tired talking point that he had no high-end talent to work with when he arrived. He didn't have enough, and the recruits he brought in allowed us to reach a new level. But the cupboard wasn't bare.ColomboLQ said:I think something that is always overlooked and was (in my opinion) Briles top strengths was his development of players and placing players in the best possible places to succeed (highlighting their strengths the best). I say this, because (again in my opinion), none of those players outside Jason Smith get drafted if they were coached by Morriss and I don't think Jason Smith becomes the #2 pick in the draft under Morriss either. Those players became draftable NFL players because Briles got the most out of them, which again, was one of the things that made him brilliant and is often an overlooked attribute (especially on this site). One of the things that I found absolutely amazing was that he got a player like Tevin Reese drafted. Tevin Reese was a 2 star recruit and weighed 170 pounds and avoided contact like the plague. He had absolutely no business getting drafted. Having said that, I also fully believe that some of the "Briles holdovers" would have been drafted had they continued to be coached by Briles. Which ones I couldn't say (though I could take guesses) but, for me at least, given what he proved he could do from a player development and playing to player's strengths aspect, I feel very confident that we would have gotten players drafted from those classes.bear2be2 said:Briles inherited six Morriss recruits who were drafted into the NFL (Jason Smith, J.D. Walton, David Gettis, Mikail Baker, Jay Finley and Terrance Williams). Thus far, not a single Briles holdover has been drafted -- Mims and Johnston will change that this year.The_barBEARian said:Yep. And CAB started with zero talent and the worst facilities in the nation. If stranger is one extreme you are his doppelganger on the other side.MilliVanilli said:Your precious Caber high coach didn't break .500 until 2012, year five of his tenure.Stranger said:Bear8084 said:Stranger said:Bear8084 said:Stranger said:Bear8084 said:Stranger said:
First of all, I am and always have been a Baylor fan. When Baylor wins I'm happy.
That said, I question the timing of this decision. Rhule has yet to bring his overall record to over .500. He is 4-0 this year but has yet to beat a team with a winning record. Last season showed seven wins but none against a team with a winning record.
The Bears grabbed a win Saturday but gave up three touchdowns in the fourth quarter and were lucky to survive.
Does anybody think this might be premature? Does Rhoads think this contract will keep Rhule from bolting to the pros like he has threatened the last two off seasons?
It seems the squad this year still poses a lot more questions than answers. And I think most of the questions lie with the coaching staff, not the players.
I remember Kevin Steele being given an extension while he still had a losing record at Baylor. Shortly afterward, he was fired.
I think all Baylor fans want the best for our team but myself and others think the jury is still out on Rhule. Could it be that Rhoads is trying to bolster his decision to hire Rhule in the first place?
Let's let the season play out then judge this decision.
We'll see.
Comparing this to the extension of Steele shows again you have no idea what you are talking about.
I know exactly what I'm talking about. Steele was given the extension to aid in recruiting, despite his losing record. We currently have a coach who was probably given an extension to aid in his recruiting.
You shouldn't disparage other posters just because they don't share your viewpoint.
No. You don't, at all. One was a terrible coach, the other isn't. They are not the same thing and neither are their contract extensions and the motives behind them.
I can call out bad posters with weird axes to grind as I please.
Kevin Steele never lost to Liberty and went 1-11. Rhule put that in the record book. We'll see how he turns out to be.
And? What else did Steele do for Baylor? What has Rhule done? How many bowls did Steele win? How many did he take us to? And NFL picks? How many wins all together? Did he have Big 12 player honors too? In all his time here, what good did Steele do? I'll give you the answer, none. None at all. Not one bit.
Now, what has Rhule done? What good has he done for Baylor? I'll give you the other answer: more than you even realize or know or refuse to see.
Like I said, We'll see. Not comparing Steele. He failed. Wins are all that counts so wait and see if Rhule can get the job done. Eleven wins this season will put him over .500.
He was exactly 25-25 after the 2011 Alamo Bowl, the last game of year four.
Your trolling is second-rate.
The notions that Art a) inherited nothing and b) left Rhule a lot simply are not grounded in fact.
And I think running game woes at the end of the Guy Morriss era had a lot more to do with the failed "Air Raid" scheme he brought in with Lee Hays than our O-line technique. We were a much better run blocking team early in Morriss' tenure, though Brent Pease's offense had many faults of its own.
And in their other two non-Texas losses, they allowed 28 and 31 points in games where their offense literally did nothing for a half or longer. With a better offense, those games could have been completely different. Hell, we almost came back in the Missouri game despite spotting them a 24-0 lead midway through the third quarter.
That Nebraska score was pretty tricky. That was the game Jared Crick has something like 8 or 9 sacks. We were not going to win that game even though the score was close.
Mr. Treehorn treats objects like women, man.
ColomboLQ said:I think something that is always overlooked and was (in my opinion) Briles top strengths was his development of players and placing players in the best possible places to succeed (highlighting their strengths the best). I say this, because (again in my opinion), none of those players outside Jason Smith get drafted if they were coached by Morriss and I don't think Jason Smith becomes the #2 pick in the draft under Morriss either. Those players became draftable NFL players because Briles got the most out of them, which again, was one of the things that made him brilliant and is often an overlooked attribute (especially on this site). One of the things that I found absolutely amazing was that he got a player like Tevin Reese drafted. Tevin Reese was a 2 star recruit and weighed 170 pounds and avoided contact like the plague. He had absolutely no business getting drafted. Having said that, I also fully believe that some of the "Briles holdovers" would have been drafted had they continued to be coached by Briles. Which ones I couldn't say (though I could take guesses) but, for me at least, given what he proved he could do from a player development and playing to player's strengths aspect, I feel very confident that we would have gotten players drafted from those classes.bear2be2 said:Briles inherited six Morriss recruits who were drafted into the NFL (Jason Smith, J.D. Walton, David Gettis, Mikail Baker, Jay Finley and Terrance Williams). Thus far, not a single Briles holdover has been drafted -- Mims and Johnston will change that this year.The_barBEARian said:Yep. And CAB started with zero talent and the worst facilities in the nation. If stranger is one extreme you are his doppelganger on the other side.MilliVanilli said:Your precious Caber high coach didn't break .500 until 2012, year five of his tenure.Stranger said:Bear8084 said:Stranger said:Bear8084 said:Stranger said:Bear8084 said:Stranger said:
First of all, I am and always have been a Baylor fan. When Baylor wins I'm happy.
That said, I question the timing of this decision. Rhule has yet to bring his overall record to over .500. He is 4-0 this year but has yet to beat a team with a winning record. Last season showed seven wins but none against a team with a winning record.
The Bears grabbed a win Saturday but gave up three touchdowns in the fourth quarter and were lucky to survive.
Does anybody think this might be premature? Does Rhoads think this contract will keep Rhule from bolting to the pros like he has threatened the last two off seasons?
It seems the squad this year still poses a lot more questions than answers. And I think most of the questions lie with the coaching staff, not the players.
I remember Kevin Steele being given an extension while he still had a losing record at Baylor. Shortly afterward, he was fired.
I think all Baylor fans want the best for our team but myself and others think the jury is still out on Rhule. Could it be that Rhoads is trying to bolster his decision to hire Rhule in the first place?
Let's let the season play out then judge this decision.
We'll see.
Comparing this to the extension of Steele shows again you have no idea what you are talking about.
I know exactly what I'm talking about. Steele was given the extension to aid in recruiting, despite his losing record. We currently have a coach who was probably given an extension to aid in his recruiting.
You shouldn't disparage other posters just because they don't share your viewpoint.
No. You don't, at all. One was a terrible coach, the other isn't. They are not the same thing and neither are their contract extensions and the motives behind them.
I can call out bad posters with weird axes to grind as I please.
Kevin Steele never lost to Liberty and went 1-11. Rhule put that in the record book. We'll see how he turns out to be.
And? What else did Steele do for Baylor? What has Rhule done? How many bowls did Steele win? How many did he take us to? And NFL picks? How many wins all together? Did he have Big 12 player honors too? In all his time here, what good did Steele do? I'll give you the answer, none. None at all. Not one bit.
Now, what has Rhule done? What good has he done for Baylor? I'll give you the other answer: more than you even realize or know or refuse to see.
Like I said, We'll see. Not comparing Steele. He failed. Wins are all that counts so wait and see if Rhule can get the job done. Eleven wins this season will put him over .500.
He was exactly 25-25 after the 2011 Alamo Bowl, the last game of year four.
Your trolling is second-rate.
The notions that Art a) inherited nothing and b) left Rhule a lot simply are not grounded in fact.
It's not shocking at all Tevin was drafted. Kid was fast and could get behind anyone. He's a very poor man's DeDe Westbrook and Hollywood Brown
Mr. Treehorn treats objects like women, man.
Yes indeed Robby. But it makes sense on a lot of levels. Stability at coaching is so important to a program. Just look at tech's writhings in recent years. First, they idiotically fired Leach, struggled under Tuberville, then Kingsbury. They just can't get traction.robby44 said:
Very generous extension.
James Franklin at Penn State only got 3 years.
Sic 'em BTW ( I will never forget you and the Baylor Bears beating usc in LA!)
McCavebear Lives!
Stranger, You are more than welcome to relocate to Mount Vernon, and continue supporting Art Briles. There is aa core group of Briles supporters, who drive from the Waco area to attend every Mount Vernon football game, both home and away in 2019. In the meantime, Matt Rhule is proving why he was the right hire for Baylor Football in the aftermath of the sexual assault scandal. More positive stories are being written about Baylor football, who by the way, has a 6-game winning streak. How about giving the man a chance, ,Stranger?Stranger said:
First of all, I am and always have been a Baylor fan. When Baylor wins I'm happy.
That said, I question the timing of this decision. Rhule has yet to bring his overall record to over .500. He is 4-0 this year but has yet to beat a team with a winning record. Last season showed seven wins but none against a team with a winning record.
The Bears grabbed a win Saturday but gave up three touchdowns in the fourth quarter and were lucky to survive.
Does anybody think this might be premature? Does Rhoads think this contract will keep Rhule from bolting to the pros like he has threatened the last two off seasons?
It seems the squad this year still poses a lot more questions than answers. And I think most of the questions lie with the coaching staff, not the players.
I remember Kevin Steele being given an extension while he still had a losing record at Baylor. Shortly afterward, he was fired.
I think all Baylor fans want the best for our team but myself and others think the jury is still out on Rhule. Could it be that Rhoads is trying to bolster his decision to hire Rhule in the first place?
Let's let the season play out then judge this decision.
We'll see.
Nice to know there are Baylor football fans like you, who realized after the unexpected success of the 2018 season,that Matt Rhule is proving why he belongs as head coach of the football program for another 8 years.fadskier said:
As some on who did and still supports Briles 100% and believes he got railroaded by our university, I 100% support BU extending Rhule. He does an amazing job so far and our players love him.
Very happy!!!!!!!
Good post and you did it without taking a shot at Briles.StatMan said:Nice to know there are Baylor football fans like you, who realized after the unexpected success of the 2018 season,that Matt Rhule is proving why he belongs as head coach of the football program for another 8 years.fadskier said:
As some on who did and still supports Briles 100% and believes he got railroaded by our university, I 100% support BU extending Rhule. He does an amazing job so far and our players love him.
Very happy!!!!!!!
See how easy
I have cautious optimism, regarding the direction Matt Rhulle is leading Baylor Football. 2018 was a pleasant surprise with a bowl victory, and a winning record. 2019 has been very good so far, but we all know the toughest Big XII football games are ahead, especially Oklahoma and Texas Tech. I would love for Baylor to have at least 8 wins by those two big showdowns.McCavebear said:
Baylor has doubled down on Rhule. It is admittedly a gamble- - such is life. It will help with recruiting. It rewards a coach who went from a horrible 1 win season to a Texas Bowl victory over sec sec. Rhule likes where he's at. I like Baylor's chances going forward.
You're thinking of the wrong Nebraska game. We're talking about 2005. Crick came much later.trey3216 said:bear2be2 said:No way? They lost six games -- two in overtime and another by a 23-14 margin at home to Nebraska. All of those are very easily reversed with a more competent offense, so that's eight right there.ColomboLQ said:The 2005 defense was a top 60 defense in terms of points per play. The year before (2004) and year after (2006), they were barely a top 100 defense, in other words really bad still. I agree with Milli in that the 2005 defense, as a top 60 defense had a shot at 7 wins getting a lot of breaks. There is no way they could have won 8 or 9.bear2be2 said:That may have been our best defensive team of the Big 12 era. Outside of the 62-0 shellacking the VY-led Longhorns gave us, that unit gave us a chance in virtually every other game. With a more competent offense, that team wins eight or nine games.MilliVanilli said:that 05 squad was actually a fair team that had some bad breaks. They should've been 7-5 and gone to a bowl.bear2be2 said:I can only go by my own experience, and I know from talking to Jason Smith at that time that he had the utmost respect for the work Morriss put in with him. Guy took Smith as a two-star tight end and basically Frankensteined him into a high-round NFL draft pick. I'd be interested in hearing more about what others had to say, though.ColomboLQ said:It's possible, but after speaking with former OL that played under Morriss, they were not very complimentary on his coaching their position (and I'm being kind). And, if you look at the offenses production, especially in terms of being able to run the ball under Morriss, it doesn't look like an OL that was well positioned, well coached or well developed.bear2be2 said:I think both O-linemen get drafted (Morriss, for all his flaws as a head coach, was an excellent O-line coach and teacher) and that Gettis gets drafted on potential alone. I agree on the others. But my point wasn't made to denigrate Briles' coaching or ability to develop talent. It was just to refute a tired talking point that he had no high-end talent to work with when he arrived. He didn't have enough, and the recruits he brought in allowed us to reach a new level. But the cupboard wasn't bare.ColomboLQ said:I think something that is always overlooked and was (in my opinion) Briles top strengths was his development of players and placing players in the best possible places to succeed (highlighting their strengths the best). I say this, because (again in my opinion), none of those players outside Jason Smith get drafted if they were coached by Morriss and I don't think Jason Smith becomes the #2 pick in the draft under Morriss either. Those players became draftable NFL players because Briles got the most out of them, which again, was one of the things that made him brilliant and is often an overlooked attribute (especially on this site). One of the things that I found absolutely amazing was that he got a player like Tevin Reese drafted. Tevin Reese was a 2 star recruit and weighed 170 pounds and avoided contact like the plague. He had absolutely no business getting drafted. Having said that, I also fully believe that some of the "Briles holdovers" would have been drafted had they continued to be coached by Briles. Which ones I couldn't say (though I could take guesses) but, for me at least, given what he proved he could do from a player development and playing to player's strengths aspect, I feel very confident that we would have gotten players drafted from those classes.bear2be2 said:Briles inherited six Morriss recruits who were drafted into the NFL (Jason Smith, J.D. Walton, David Gettis, Mikail Baker, Jay Finley and Terrance Williams). Thus far, not a single Briles holdover has been drafted -- Mims and Johnston will change that this year.The_barBEARian said:Yep. And CAB started with zero talent and the worst facilities in the nation. If stranger is one extreme you are his doppelganger on the other side.MilliVanilli said:Your precious Caber high coach didn't break .500 until 2012, year five of his tenure.Stranger said:Bear8084 said:Stranger said:Bear8084 said:Stranger said:Bear8084 said:Stranger said:
First of all, I am and always have been a Baylor fan. When Baylor wins I'm happy.
That said, I question the timing of this decision. Rhule has yet to bring his overall record to over .500. He is 4-0 this year but has yet to beat a team with a winning record. Last season showed seven wins but none against a team with a winning record.
The Bears grabbed a win Saturday but gave up three touchdowns in the fourth quarter and were lucky to survive.
Does anybody think this might be premature? Does Rhoads think this contract will keep Rhule from bolting to the pros like he has threatened the last two off seasons?
It seems the squad this year still poses a lot more questions than answers. And I think most of the questions lie with the coaching staff, not the players.
I remember Kevin Steele being given an extension while he still had a losing record at Baylor. Shortly afterward, he was fired.
I think all Baylor fans want the best for our team but myself and others think the jury is still out on Rhule. Could it be that Rhoads is trying to bolster his decision to hire Rhule in the first place?
Let's let the season play out then judge this decision.
We'll see.
Comparing this to the extension of Steele shows again you have no idea what you are talking about.
I know exactly what I'm talking about. Steele was given the extension to aid in recruiting, despite his losing record. We currently have a coach who was probably given an extension to aid in his recruiting.
You shouldn't disparage other posters just because they don't share your viewpoint.
No. You don't, at all. One was a terrible coach, the other isn't. They are not the same thing and neither are their contract extensions and the motives behind them.
I can call out bad posters with weird axes to grind as I please.
Kevin Steele never lost to Liberty and went 1-11. Rhule put that in the record book. We'll see how he turns out to be.
And? What else did Steele do for Baylor? What has Rhule done? How many bowls did Steele win? How many did he take us to? And NFL picks? How many wins all together? Did he have Big 12 player honors too? In all his time here, what good did Steele do? I'll give you the answer, none. None at all. Not one bit.
Now, what has Rhule done? What good has he done for Baylor? I'll give you the other answer: more than you even realize or know or refuse to see.
Like I said, We'll see. Not comparing Steele. He failed. Wins are all that counts so wait and see if Rhule can get the job done. Eleven wins this season will put him over .500.
He was exactly 25-25 after the 2011 Alamo Bowl, the last game of year four.
Your trolling is second-rate.
The notions that Art a) inherited nothing and b) left Rhule a lot simply are not grounded in fact.
And I think running game woes at the end of the Guy Morriss era had a lot more to do with the failed "Air Raid" scheme he brought in with Lee Hays than our O-line technique. We were a much better run blocking team early in Morriss' tenure, though Brent Pease's offense had many faults of its own.
And in their other two non-Texas losses, they allowed 28 and 31 points in games where their offense literally did nothing for a half or longer. With a better offense, those games could have been completely different. Hell, we almost came back in the Missouri game despite spotting them a 24-0 lead midway through the third quarter.
That Nebraska score was pretty tricky. That was the game Jared Crick has something like 8 or 9 sacks. We were not going to win that game even though the score was close.
But I'm not arguing that we should have won any of the games we lost in 2005, except for the game at A&M. We absolutely should have won that one. What I'm arguing is if you had put a good offense with that year's defense, we'd have had a damn good team.
Playing at the height of the Big 12 conference, That defense allowed 5.0 yards per play and averaged 6.2 tackles for loss, 2 sacks and 2.6 turnovers per game. This year's defense, which I think we'd all agree has looked very good, has allowed 4.5 yards per play and averaged 6.5 tackles for loss, 3 sacks and 1.3 turnovers per game against a very soft schedule to this point. If it finished the season with the numbers above, we'd likely all be very happy.
robby44 said:
Very generous extension.
James Franklin at Penn State only got 3 years.
Penn St is a little higher on the food chain than Baylor.
What he wants people to know about Baylor football: I want people to see that Baylor is the class of college football. Record GPAs, 26 different majors, guys challenging themselves to be the best they can be. Guys working in the community and guys working to be the best they can be in football. Want people to know Baylor is a great place as a University. -Coach Matt Rhule
OSU finished 7-6 last season and we beat themStranger said:
First of all, I am and always have been a Baylor fan. When Baylor wins I'm happy.
That said, I question the timing of this decision. Rhule has yet to bring his overall record to over .500. He is 4-0 this year but has yet to beat a team with a winning record. Last season showed seven wins but none against a team with a winning record.
The Bears grabbed a win Saturday but gave up three touchdowns in the fourth quarter and were lucky to survive.
Does anybody think this might be premature? Does Rhoads think this contract will keep Rhule from bolting to the pros like he has threatened the last two off seasons?
It seems the squad this year still poses a lot more questions than answers. And I think most of the questions lie with the coaching staff, not the players.
I remember Kevin Steele being given an extension while he still had a losing record at Baylor. Shortly afterward, he was fired.
I think all Baylor fans want the best for our team but myself and others think the jury is still out on Rhule. Could it be that Rhoads is trying to bolster his decision to hire Rhule in the first place?
Let's let the season play out then judge this decision.
We'll see.
I'm the English Guy
You lost me on Texas Tech.StatMan said:I have cautious optimism, regarding the direction Matt Rhulle is leading Baylor Football. 2018 was a pleasant surprise with a bowl victory, and a winning record. 2019 has been very good so far, but we all know the toughest Big XII football games are ahead, especially Oklahoma and Texas Tech. I would love for Baylor to have at least 8 wins by those two big showdowns.McCavebear said:
Baylor has doubled down on Rhule. It is admittedly a gamble- - such is life. It will help with recruiting. It rewards a coach who went from a horrible 1 win season to a Texas Bowl victory over sec sec. Rhule likes where he's at. I like Baylor's chances going forward.
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