Yes, I remember the 90 minute lightning delay. I wish I could forget it--it was miserable.

Probably not, but give it another couple of years and then yes.

This year's game in Ft Worth helps. It also helps that all of our "cold" games this year were not all that cold and were not wet.

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Now if the question is whether this team is better than our 2013 or 2014...that is an entirely different question.

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TEAM means you have offense, defense and special teams.

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2-30
Was that a team?
2-30

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Some of you guys need to go look at the 2013/2014 schedule again. It is simply incredible. You'd be surprised to see how many games our defense showed up to as well. For a recent comparison, we shut out Texas until they got a final 4th quarter TD

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That's a pretty special hot take, talk about a troll fail.

2013 UT was quarterbacked by Case McCoy and the game was played in freezing rain and sleet, no one could throw.

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McCoy threw for 54 yards on 34 attempts, but Petty threw for 287 yards and two TDs on 37 attempts in the 2013 game. Don't blame the weather.

Also, it was the 2014 game in Austin that Texas scored late to pull within 28-7. It was a defensive game that day and the weather was fine.

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it was case McCoy in sleet, he sucked and the weather made him completely impotent

2014 was Tyrone Swoopes, also an incompetent passer.

Neither of those teams remotely stack up with a Herman team, despite how underwhelming they are, they're better and have the best qb they've had since Colt McCoy.

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I don't really care to argue about whether Case McCoy's Longhorns could have beaten this year's Longhorn team, but it is asinine to say "no one could throw" because of freezing rain and sleet when the other QB in the game, Bryce Petty, threw for 287 yards and two scores.

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Seeming UCF and WVU beat those teams you bet your ass the 2019 Baylor Bears could.

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That UCF team would curb stomp us. We haven't played an elite QB yet. We used to play a few a season

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lol, wut? PFF says Hurts is #3 in the country, Purty is #8, and Ellinger is #20

Too bad we havent played a good QB yet...

I would love to see Rhule's face when the Clay Shaw masks and the Zulu dancing were broken out.

I think the 13/14 team destroys every team on our schedule this year except for OU. Because it was a home game and because this OU team has a poor defense, I think we still win that game handily and are easily sitting undefeated.

I have been pleasantly surprised by our team this year, but OSU, KSU, and TCU are all down, and TX is their usual average team. There are probably at least 20 other teams this year that would have only 1 loss with our schedule.

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Some of you guys need to go look at the 2013/2014 schedule again. It is simply incredible. You'd be surprised to see how many games our defense showed up to as well. For a recent comparison, we shut out Texas until they got a final 4th quarter TD

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That's a pretty special hot take, talk about a troll fail.

2013 UT was quarterbacked by Case McCoy and the game was played in freezing rain and sleet, no one could throw.

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McCoy threw for 54 yards on 34 attempts, but Petty threw for 287 yards and two TDs on 37 attempts in the 2013 game. Don't blame the weather.

Also, it was the 2014 game in Austin that Texas scored late to pull within 28-7. It was a defensive game that day and the weather was fine.

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it was case McCoy in sleet, he sucked and the weather made him completely impotent

2014 was Tyrone Swoopes, also an incompetent passer.

Neither of those teams remotely stack up with a Herman team, despite how underwhelming they are, they're better and have the best qb they've had since Colt McCoy.

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I don't really care to argue about whether Case McCoy's Longhorns could have beaten this year's Longhorn team, but it is asinine to say "no one could throw" because of freezing rain and sleet when the other QB in the game, Bryce Petty, threw for 287 yards and two scores.

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Well you're an argumentative turd of a poster so that's to be expected. I was clearly talking about UT's offense, but congrats on working yourself up about how awesome you think it was to stop Case McCoy in comparison to a real quarterback like Sam Elhinger.

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Hey guys, Baylor has scored 3, I said THREE TD's in the last 6 1/2 Q's. Briles would pick us apart and Rhule's pitiful O would make Bennett's D look great. Our O sucks. It's terrible. No imagination.

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youre an absolute moron and relic of the past that's trolling Schtick is four years too late.

Just go away already.

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Yet he wasn't banned for trolling, unlike some.

I hate when our own fans use the same tired argument trolls used to make about Briles as to why we are 10-1. It completely ignores how good this team is and the hard work they have done to get there. It's not because the Big 12 is having a "down year".

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Seeming UCF and WVU beat those teams you bet your ass the 2019 Baylor Bears could.

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UCF and WVU had better offensive output than this year's Bears.

I think Briles' teams from those years win, but only because they have the ability to outscore 2019. It would actually be much closer than you think, however, with Briles' defenses having to match up against this receiving corps.

I think it would be like a 35-24 type score.

But, they're all champs to me.

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Hey guys, Baylor has scored 3, I said THREE TD's in the last 6 1/2 Q's. Briles would pick us apart and Rhule's pitiful O would make Bennett's D look great. Our O sucks. It's terrible. No imagination.

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youre an absolute moron and relic of the past that's trolling Schtick is four years too late.

Just go away already.

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Yet he wasn't banned for trolling, unlike some.

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We get that you have severe ptsd caused by some poster that got your goat, but it's apparently not a very difficult thing to do.

So I guess I'll just take your obsession with them and projection of anguish as a compliment.

It's really paying off for you.

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Oh, I forgot. Baylor did not start playing football until 2012 or 2013. My bad.

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Actually, it was 2011. Ever heard of RGIII?

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Some on here don't count 2011 because we lost 3 conference games.

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Ummm, we all count 2011.

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Now if the question is whether this team is better than our 2013 or 2014...that is an entirely different question.

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TEAM means you have offense, defense and special teams.

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2-30
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2-30

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I was at that game.

I'd like a refund. What a pathetic performance.

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Some of you guys need to go look at the 2013/2014 schedule again. It is simply incredible. You'd be surprised to see how many games our defense showed up to as well. For a recent comparison, we shut out Texas until they got a final 4th quarter TD

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2013

TCU - Similar to this year, beat a bad TCU team (4-8) by 3 points.
OSU - Got blown by 32 on the road after the turf monster tackled Petty and the offense stalled.
UCF - Bortles picked apart our defense and we gave up 52 points.

2014

TCU - Great game but we did give up 58 points
WV - Gave up 41 points and offense stalled with penalties
Tech - Gave up 46 points and won by 2 against freshman Mahomes and 4-8 Tech; still think this game kept us out of the playoff
MSU - Gave up 42 points (21 in basically the 4th quarter)

Those teams had some amazing games but would put up 3 or so stinkers a year. And they would give up around 30 ppg.

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I'll come back to this after we play OU and our bowl game again. Also, as a reminder, we should have LOST to an absolutely pathetic Tech and barely squeaked by the worst team in college football.

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Youre clearly one of those lingering losers that think football began in 2011 and ended after 2015, do us a favor and don't come back to post at all.

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clearly

It's pretty obvious what banned user Ursus is, lmao

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Some of you guys need to go look at the 2013/2014 schedule again. It is simply incredible. You'd be surprised to see how many games our defense showed up to as well. For a recent comparison, we shut out Texas until they got a final 4th quarter TD

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That's a pretty special hot take, talk about a troll fail.

2013 UT was quarterbacked by Case McCoy and the game was played in freezing rain and sleet, no one could throw.

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McCoy threw for 54 yards on 34 attempts, but Petty threw for 287 yards and two TDs on 37 attempts in the 2013 game. Don't blame the weather.

Also, it was the 2014 game in Austin that Texas scored late to pull within 28-7. It was a defensive game that day and the weather was fine.

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it was case McCoy in sleet, he sucked and the weather made him completely impotent

2014 was Tyrone Swoopes, also an incompetent passer.

Neither of those teams remotely stack up with a Herman team, despite how underwhelming they are, they're better and have the best qb they've had since Colt McCoy.

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I don't really care to argue about whether Case McCoy's Longhorns could have beaten this year's Longhorn team, but it is asinine to say "no one could throw" because of freezing rain and sleet when the other QB in the game, Bryce Petty, threw for 287 yards and two scores.

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Well you're an argumentative turd of a poster so that's to be expected. I was clearly talking about UT's offense, but congrats on working yourself up about how awesome you think it was to stop Case McCoy in comparison to a real quarterback like Sam Elhinger.

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I'm not worked up and I don't really care about the relative levels of incompetence of UT quarterbacks or coaches, but you were clearly attributing the level of play to the weather and made the rather ignorant claim that "no one" could throw in that. You sound like an Iowa State fan whining about it being hot in Texas.

It was pretty awesome to watch the Petty led Bears crush Texas to win the Big 12 and close down the stadium, just like it was awesome to watch this year's version of the Bears crush Texas to reach the Big 12 title game.

How long until you are banned again?

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It's pretty obvious what banned user Ursus is, lmao

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Another banning is in order, but he'll just go on my ignore list for now.

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Some of you guys need to go look at the 2013/2014 schedule again. It is simply incredible. You'd be surprised to see how many games our defense showed up to as well. For a recent comparison, we shut out Texas until they got a final 4th quarter TD

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That's a pretty special hot take, talk about a troll fail.

2013 UT was quarterbacked by Case McCoy and the game was played in freezing rain and sleet, no one could throw.

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McCoy threw for 54 yards on 34 attempts, but Petty threw for 287 yards and two TDs on 37 attempts in the 2013 game. Don't blame the weather.

Also, it was the 2014 game in Austin that Texas scored late to pull within 28-7. It was a defensive game that day and the weather was fine.

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it was case McCoy in sleet, he sucked and the weather made him completely impotent

2014 was Tyrone Swoopes, also an incompetent passer.

Neither of those teams remotely stack up with a Herman team, despite how underwhelming they are, they're better and have the best qb they've had since Colt McCoy.

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I don't really care to argue about whether Case McCoy's Longhorns could have beaten this year's Longhorn team, but it is asinine to say "no one could throw" because of freezing rain and sleet when the other QB in the game, Bryce Petty, threw for 287 yards and two scores.

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Well you're an argumentative turd of a poster so that's to be expected. I was clearly talking about UT's offense, but congrats on working yourself up about how awesome you think it was to stop Case McCoy in comparison to a real quarterback like Sam Elhinger.

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I'm not worked up and I don't really care about the relative levels of incompetence of UT quarterbacks or coaches, but you were clearly attributing the level of play to the weather and made the rather ignorant claim that "no one" could throw in that. You sound like an Iowa State fan whining about it being hot in Texas.

It was pretty awesome to watch the Petty led Bears crush Texas to win the Big 12 and close down the stadium, just like it was awesome to watch this year's version of the Bears crush Texas to reach the Big 12 title game.

How long until you are banned again?

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No, you chose to run on a rant instead of clarifying a remark about the UT offense.

It's your schtick, you do it all the time, take benign statements of fact and go on rants about irrelevant things, such as McCoy sucking and playing in sleet, and pounding your chest that the sleet clearly didn't make him suck since Petty didn't completely suck in it.

McCoy sucked, beating him in the sleet was not a tall task. And the original poster was acting like somehow doing so was better than playing a good quarterback and beating him.

That's why his suckiness was emphasized.

I see you're another PTSD sufferer that wants moderators to save you from your own posts and think you see the specter of a poster that haunts the handful of high strung irrational posters that loiter over in the dumpster fire free board.

Enjoy your dumpster fire, you certainly are one of the most flammable things in it.

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It's pretty obvious what banned user Ursus is, lmao

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Is it the one you claim everyone that calls you out is?

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It's pretty obvious what banned user Ursus is, lmao

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Another banning is in order, but he'll just go on my ignore list for now.

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Right, someone should be banned because you imagine them to be someone.

Please do put me on ignore, it will spare us from having to see future sophistic rants about the greatness of Case McCoy.

Even with our defense, I think that team could score 35. The question for me is whether this team could score 36?

The true injustice in the hypothetical is that 13/14 teams could put 48 on the 2019 OU team whom you'll begin to hear about paths to the playoffs for starting today. There's no doubt to me we should both have the same path.

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Now if the question is whether this team is better than our 2013 or 2014...that is an entirely different question.

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TEAM means you have offense, defense and special teams.

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2-30
Was that a team?
2-30

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We were a team, not a TEAM. Thank goodness our DEFENSE could score!

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But, they're all champs to me.

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Exactly! Those Bear teams, every one of them, are our champs!

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Thee University said:

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Now if the question is whether this team is better than our 2013 or 2014...that is an entirely different question.

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TEAM means you have offense, defense and special teams.

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I was at that game.

I'd like a refund. What a pathetic performance.

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I was at that game too.

You got the performance you deserved for being such a miserable fan.

Everyone doesn't add in the fact that Art Briles coached teams always had a gaffe that cost them dearly in big games. Usually, special teams, defense or discipline.

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Even with our defense, I think that team could score 35. The question for me is whether this team could score 36?

The true injustice in the hypothetical is that 13/14 teams could put 48 on the 2019 OU team whom you'll begin to hear about paths to the playoffs for starting today. There's no doubt to me we should both have the same path.

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The 13/14 teams could put 60+ on the Oklahoma defense if they never let off the gas.

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I think the 13/14 team destroys every team on our schedule this year except for OU. Because it was a home game and because this OU team has a poor defense, I think we still win that game handily and are easily sitting undefeated.

I have been pleasantly surprised by our team this year, but OSU, KSU, and TCU are all down, and TX is their usual average team. There are probably at least 20 other teams this year that would have only 1 loss with our schedule.

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Art Briles teams never finished their own schedules undefeated. In fact, they never finished a season with fewer than two losses. All this nonsense about contending for national titles is revisionist history of the highest order.

And OSU and KSU are not down. They're right about where they were most years during the Briles era, and Oklahoma, Texas and Iowa State are all better than the teams they fielded at the height of Art Briles' time in Waco. It's fine to like Briles and think he was a good football coach. But let's keep some reality and objectivity in the discussion.

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Even with our defense, I think that team could score 35. The question for me is whether this team could score 36?

The true injustice in the hypothetical is that 13/14 teams could put 48 on the 2019 OU team whom you'll begin to hear about paths to the playoffs for starting today. There's no doubt to me we should both have the same path.

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The 13/14 teams could put 60+ on the Oklahoma defense if they never let off the gas.

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Stop it. We didn't put up 60-plus points on worse Oklahoma teams then.

I swear, if not for hyperbolic bull****, some of you guys would have nothing to post at all.

And this thread is absolute proof that the memory is a filthy liar.

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I think the 13/14 team destroys every team on our schedule this year except for OU. Because it was a home game and because this OU team has a poor defense, I think we still win that game handily and are easily sitting undefeated.

I have been pleasantly surprised by our team this year, but OSU, KSU, and TCU are all down, and TX is their usual average team. There are probably at least 20 other teams this year that would have only 1 loss with our schedule.

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Art Briles teams never finished their own schedules undefeated. In fact, they never finished a season with fewer than two losses. All this nonsense about contending for national titles is revisionist history of the highest order.

And OSU and KSU are not down. They're right about where they were most years during the Briles era, and Oklahoma, Texas and Iowa State are all better than the teams they fielded at the height of Art Briles' time in Waco. It's fine to like Briles and think he was a good football coach. But let's keep some reality and objectivity in the discussion.

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Of course we were contending for national titles. In 2014, were were the first team out of the playoff. In 2015, we were 7-0 and ranked second in the nation when Seth went down. We ended up losing three games that year, all of which were very likely wins if he didn't get hurt. That is not "revisionist history," that is, unfortunately, reality and objectivity.

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I think the 13/14 team destroys every team on our schedule this year except for OU. Because it was a home game and because this OU team has a poor defense, I think we still win that game handily and are easily sitting undefeated.

I have been pleasantly surprised by our team this year, but OSU, KSU, and TCU are all down, and TX is their usual average team. There are probably at least 20 other teams this year that would have only 1 loss with our schedule.

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Art Briles teams never finished their own schedules undefeated. In fact, they never finished a season with fewer than two losses. All this nonsense about contending for national titles is revisionist history of the highest order.

And OSU and KSU are not down. They're right about where they were most years during the Briles era, and Oklahoma, Texas and Iowa State are all better than the teams they fielded at the height of Art Briles' time in Waco. It's fine to like Briles and think he was a good football coach. But let's keep some reality and objectivity in the discussion.

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Of course we were contending for national titles. In 2014, were were the first team out of the playoff. In 2015, we were 7-0 and ranked second in the nation when Seth went down. We ended up losing three games that year, all of which were very likely wins if he didn't get hurt. That is not "revisionist history," that is, unfortunately, reality and objectivity.

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If you failed to make the largest playoff field in major college football history, you were not contending for a national title. That's like saying that every No. 5 team during the BCS era was contending for titles. No, they weren't. They were great teams, but you have to play for a title to be contending for titles.

And the fact that we lost our two biggest bowl games of that era -- both in epic fashion -- largely invalidates the idea that we were worthy of any opportunities we were denied.

And to just assume an undefeated finish in 2015 is absolute folly, particularly given the fact that the Oklahoma State game in 2013 and the West Virginia game in 2014 were "very likely wins" until those games kicked off.

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I think the 13/14 team destroys every team on our schedule this year except for OU. Because it was a home game and because this OU team has a poor defense, I think we still win that game handily and are easily sitting undefeated.

I have been pleasantly surprised by our team this year, but OSU, KSU, and TCU are all down, and TX is their usual average team. There are probably at least 20 other teams this year that would have only 1 loss with our schedule.

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Art Briles teams never finished their own schedules undefeated. In fact, they never finished a season with fewer than two losses. All this nonsense about contending for national titles is revisionist history of the highest order.

And OSU and KSU are not down. They're right about where they were most years during the Briles era, and Oklahoma, Texas and Iowa State are all better than the teams they fielded at the height of Art Briles' time in Waco. It's fine to like Briles and think he was a good football coach. But let's keep some reality and objectivity in the discussion.

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Of course we were contending for national titles. In 2014, were were the first team out of the playoff. In 2015, we were 7-0 and ranked second in the nation when Seth went down. We ended up losing three games that year, all of which were very likely wins if he didn't get hurt. That is not "revisionist history," that is, unfortunately, reality and objectivity.

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If you failed to make the largest playoff field in major college football history, you were not contending for a national title. That's like saying that every No. 5 team during the BCS era was contending for titles. No, they weren't. They were great teams, but you have to play for a title to be contending for titles.

And the fact that we lost our two biggest bowl games of that era -- both in epic fashion -- largely invalidates the idea that we were worthy of any opportunities we were denied.

And to just assume an undefeated finish in 2015 is absolute folly, particularly given the fact that the Oklahoma State game in 2013 and the West Virginia game in 2014 were "very likely wins" until those games kicked off.

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If you want to limit the idea of "contending" to actually playing in the title game, of course you are correct. If contending means having reasonable odds to be in the final four, you are mistaken.

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Hey, to all you name callers , are you happy with Rhule's O scoring 3 TD's in the last 6 1/2 Q's ?

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*The year is 2025. Matt Rhule and Baylor have won 3 consecutive national championships. Everyone on the forum is rejoicing in the continued success of the program. TimBear still complains about a lack "imagination" in playcalling and suggests that we replace CMR for Kendall Briles. Everyone ignores his ramblings as they have done so for the last decade.*

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I think the 13/14 team destroys every team on our schedule this year except for OU. Because it was a home game and because this OU team has a poor defense, I think we still win that game handily and are easily sitting undefeated.

I have been pleasantly surprised by our team this year, but OSU, KSU, and TCU are all down, and TX is their usual average team. There are probably at least 20 other teams this year that would have only 1 loss with our schedule.

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Art Briles teams never finished their own schedules undefeated. In fact, they never finished a season with fewer than two losses. All this nonsense about contending for national titles is revisionist history of the highest order.

And OSU and KSU are not down. They're right about where they were most years during the Briles era, and Oklahoma, Texas and Iowa State are all better than the teams they fielded at the height of Art Briles' time in Waco. It's fine to like Briles and think he was a good football coach. But let's keep some reality and objectivity in the discussion.

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Of course we were contending for national titles. In 2014, were were the first team out of the playoff. In 2015, we were 7-0 and ranked second in the nation when Seth went down. We ended up losing three games that year, all of which were very likely wins if he didn't get hurt. That is not "revisionist history," that is, unfortunately, reality and objectivity.

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If you failed to make the largest playoff field in major college football history, you were not contending for a national title. That's like saying that every No. 5 team during the BCS era was contending for titles. No, they weren't. They were great teams, but you have to play for a title to be contending for titles.

And the fact that we lost our two biggest bowl games of that era -- both in epic fashion -- largely invalidates the idea that we were worthy of any opportunities we were denied.

And to just assume an undefeated finish in 2015 is absolute folly, particularly given the fact that the Oklahoma State game in 2013 and the West Virginia game in 2014 were "very likely wins" until those games kicked off.

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If you want to limit the idea of "contending" to actually playing in the title game, of course you are correct. If contending means having reasonable odds to be in the final four, you are mistaken.

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I say that contending for a national title means having reasonable odds of winning a national title, and I don't think we've ever had that type of team -- under Briles or anyone else.