Some possible choices that would I would be pleased with:

1. Brent Venables - Clemson
2. Dave Aranda - LSU
3. Mike Norvell - Memphis

JAT

Really want to be pleased. But lots will come down to if the recruits we have will stay and if the new coach can get some quality guys to come here.

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Pleased.
- I don't think Rhule would have had a good season next year
- I think Rhule was gone no matter what. Might as well do it while the program is shining bright
- I'm optimistic we can get someone that knows how to recruit in Texas. Rhule was absolutely horrible at this. And don't tell me bad athletes are more coachable than good athletes.
- If we don't get the hire we want right now our program can survive 2-3 bad seasons and get the hire we want

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Rhule had four recruiting classes at Baylor and three of them were ranked in the top 35 nationally. There's a whole lot of revisionist history about Rhule's staff's recruiting based on this season's rankings.

I've been disappointed in most of Baylor's hires for the last fifty years with a couple or three exceptions

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Pleased. I never liked Rhule, though, so that's part of it for me. I never trusted him and knew he didn't want to be here long. I think the next guy will want to stick around and I find that aspect exciting.

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Spoiled babies in here. Every other school in the world has had a coach leave them, and the first time it happens at Baylor, you say you didn't trust him. Give me a break. Baylor deserves a good coach, but some of you fans don't deserve jack *****

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He was because all in that's my point. It was obvious early and then he tried to leave EVERY SEASON publicly. Find me another P5 coach that's done that in the last 20 years.

He'd then talk about his commitment to being here a long time only to shop again ASAP. No, I never trusted him. He's a politician that sold what his audience would buy. He had a great record this year, but it wasn't worth 1-11.

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I've been disappointed in most of Baylor's hires for the last fifty years with a couple or three exceptions

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Kim, Clyde and Scott Drew?

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I just hope whoever it is, it doesn't create the angst here between posters that you find on the R&P board. But, I am sure it will. It seems posters here split as much as the Reps and Dems.

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Yeah, I'd be lying if I said I was 'on board' with Rhule. But I met a player after Year 1 and he apologized profusely about the Liberty game and I had to tell him his coach, "Snow" had skins on the wall and was good. And I believed that, because he made me kick myself for thinking Ariz State would lose to Nebraska! I really believed they'd be fine, and they were.

But my approach to Rhule was wait and see. By the time he started winning, he was gone. Why should I or anyone else care about a short timer? It's not really about whether I like or dislike anyone.

My investment in Baylor is 25 years young. If any employee comes in and serves the U well, I'll support em. But taking out $3 mil a year puts a price on a man's head. These coaches seem to forget that.

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Yep, this.

Rhule even had the nerve to tell people that didn't like our last place recruiting this year to leave...before he left.

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Really want to be pleased. But lots will come down to if the recruits we have will stay and if the new coach can get some quality guys to come here.

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I keep hearing people worry that recruits might leave but they've already signed. We don't have commits that aren't signed. There's VERY little chance we lose anything significant in terms of recruits.

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TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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I just hope whoever it is, it doesn't create the angst here between posters that you find on the R&P board. But, I am sure it will. It seems posters here split as much as the Reps and Dems.

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Yeah, I'd be lying if I said I was 'on board' with Rhule. But I met a player after Year 1 and he apologized profusely about the Liberty game and I had to tell him his coach, "Snow" had skins on the wall and was good. And I believed that, because he made me kick myself for thinking Ariz State would lose to Nebraska! I really believed they'd be fine, and they were.

But my approach to Rhule was wait and see. By the time he started winning, he was gone. Why should I or anyone else care about a short timer? It's not really about whether I like or dislike anyone.

My investment in Baylor is 25 years young. If any employee comes in and serves the U well, I'll support em. But taking out $3 mil a year puts a price on a man's head. These coaches seem to forget that.

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Yep, this.

Rhule even had the nerve to tell people that didn't like our last place recruiting this year to leave...before he left.

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He allegedly said he was real Baylor and many grads who criticized him were not.

PartyBear said:

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Krieg said:

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TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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I just hope whoever it is, it doesn't create the angst here between posters that you find on the R&P board. But, I am sure it will. It seems posters here split as much as the Reps and Dems.

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Yeah, I'd be lying if I said I was 'on board' with Rhule. But I met a player after Year 1 and he apologized profusely about the Liberty game and I had to tell him his coach, "Snow" had skins on the wall and was good. And I believed that, because he made me kick myself for thinking Ariz State would lose to Nebraska! I really believed they'd be fine, and they were.

But my approach to Rhule was wait and see. By the time he started winning, he was gone. Why should I or anyone else care about a short timer? It's not really about whether I like or dislike anyone.

My investment in Baylor is 25 years young. If any employee comes in and serves the U well, I'll support em. But taking out $3 mil a year puts a price on a man's head. These coaches seem to forget that.

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Yep, this.

Rhule even had the nerve to tell people that didn't like our last place recruiting this year to leave...before he left.

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He allegedly said he was real Baylor and many grads who criticized him were not.

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He showed his true colors and they weren't green and gold, or even velveeta.

PartyBear said:

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Krieg said:

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TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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blackie said:

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I just hope whoever it is, it doesn't create the angst here between posters that you find on the R&P board. But, I am sure it will. It seems posters here split as much as the Reps and Dems.

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Yeah, I'd be lying if I said I was 'on board' with Rhule. But I met a player after Year 1 and he apologized profusely about the Liberty game and I had to tell him his coach, "Snow" had skins on the wall and was good. And I believed that, because he made me kick myself for thinking Ariz State would lose to Nebraska! I really believed they'd be fine, and they were.

But my approach to Rhule was wait and see. By the time he started winning, he was gone. Why should I or anyone else care about a short timer? It's not really about whether I like or dislike anyone.

My investment in Baylor is 25 years young. If any employee comes in and serves the U well, I'll support em. But taking out $3 mil a year puts a price on a man's head. These coaches seem to forget that.

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Yep, this.

Rhule even had the nerve to tell people that didn't like our last place recruiting this year to leave...before he left.

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He allegedly said he was real Baylor and many grads who criticized him were not.

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But he was real Baylor! For another couple days anyway.

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PartyBear said:

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Krieg said:

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TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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blackie said:

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I just hope whoever it is, it doesn't create the angst here between posters that you find on the R&P board. But, I am sure it will. It seems posters here split as much as the Reps and Dems.

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Yeah, I'd be lying if I said I was 'on board' with Rhule. But I met a player after Year 1 and he apologized profusely about the Liberty game and I had to tell him his coach, "Snow" had skins on the wall and was good. And I believed that, because he made me kick myself for thinking Ariz State would lose to Nebraska! I really believed they'd be fine, and they were.

But my approach to Rhule was wait and see. By the time he started winning, he was gone. Why should I or anyone else care about a short timer? It's not really about whether I like or dislike anyone.

My investment in Baylor is 25 years young. If any employee comes in and serves the U well, I'll support em. But taking out $3 mil a year puts a price on a man's head. These coaches seem to forget that.

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Yep, this.

Rhule even had the nerve to tell people that didn't like our last place recruiting this year to leave...before he left.

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He allegedly said he was real Baylor and many grads who criticized him were not.

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But he was real Baylor! For another couple days anyway.

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I think the term I used was carpetbagger.

I think I will be more pleased than when Rhule was named. I was out on Rhule until I saw his original press conference. He's can make a speech.

I will be happy with McGuire or outside hire. Will trust Mack to make the right call for the overall program.

I am not sure why so many are bemused by Rhule's departure. We all knew Rhule was a shameless opportunist after his first year on campus. We were publicly cuckolded by Rhule and the NFL yearly.

However, I do not blame the guy for leaving. He took a fat*** pay day and if it doesn't workout, he can get almost any college job he wants. I just didn't like the "god's calling" "unfinished business" schtick, but he did a good job while he was here. If he was terrible, just think how enormous of a dumpster fire we would be!

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I am not sure why so many are bemused by Rhule's departure. We all knew Rhule was a shameless opportunist after his first year on campus. We were publicly cuckolded by Rhule and the NFL yearly.

However, I do not blame the guy for leaving. He took a fat*** pay day and if it doesn't workout, he can get almost any college job he wants. I just didn't like the "god's calling" "unfinished business" schtick, but he was did a good job while he was here. If he was terrible, just think how enormous of a dumpster fire we would be!

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I completely agree with this. We could've done better (almost always true) but we could have done A LOT worse as well.

Mr. 20/20 hindsight. Your arrogance and ignorance are legendary lol.

Be skeptical of anyone in business who announces that God called them there. When Rhule said that God released him from his call to Baylor, (I'm glad He did), I busted out laughing.

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I am not sure why so many are bemused by Rhule's departure. We all knew Rhule was a shameless opportunist after his first year on campus. We were publicly cuckolded by Rhule and the NFL yearly.

However, I do not blame the guy for leaving. He took a fat*** pay day and if it doesn't workout, he can get almost any college job he wants. I just didn't like the "god's calling" "unfinished business" schtick, but he did a good job while he was here. If he was terrible, just think how enormous of a dumpster fire we would be!

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Great points.

Mercenary football coaches making $3 mil/year that do very little in the way of civic responsibility are in no position to criticize the loyalty of alums that have supported a university for decades.

Rhule could coach football, but people were beginning to notice the distance between words and deeds.

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I've been disappointed in most of Baylor's hires for the last fifty years with a couple or three exceptions

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Yep. That is the view you display of yourself here:

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I've been disappointed in most of Baylor's hires for the last fifty years with a couple or three exceptions

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Yep. That is the view you display of yourself here:

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My view of the hires in the last fifty years is shared by 99 44/100% of all Baylor football fans.

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Really want to be pleased. But lots will come down to if the recruits we have will stay and if the new coach can get some quality guys to come here.

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I keep hearing people worry that recruits might leave but they've already signed. We don't have commits that aren't signed. There's VERY little chance we lose anything significant in terms of recruits.

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This is another area where our fans vastly exaggerate things, although I guess some of it is because of the abnormal Briles situation. But coaches have been leaving schools for years after recruiting and/or signing classes (even when signing was solely Feb) and every fan base immediately panics and thinks everyone will transfer. Go back and look at the history of this and you'll see, on average, each school loses a handful of people across the entire program. That's it. There's no mass exodus as all the chicken littles fear. The Briles situation was an abnormal situation, not the normal exit of a coach.

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Really want to be pleased. But lots will come down to if the recruits we have will stay and if the new coach can get some quality guys to come here.

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I keep hearing people worry that recruits might leave but they've already signed. We don't have commits that aren't signed. There's VERY little chance we lose anything significant in terms of recruits.

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This is another area where our fans vastly exaggerate things, although I guess some of it is because of the abnormal Briles situation. But coaches have been leaving schools for years after recruiting and/or signing classes (even when signing was solely Feb) and every fan base immediately panics and thinks everyone will transfer. Go back and look at the history of this and you'll see, on average, each school loses a handful of people across the entire program. That's it. There's no mass exodus as all the chicken littles fear. The Briles situation was an abnormal situation, not the normal exit of a coach.

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It's because they buy into someone (in this case Rhule) on emotion. He leaves them and they react emotionally. Recruits lose a year if they leave at it just doesn't happen often.

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I am not sure why so many are bemused by Rhule's departure. We all knew Rhule was a shameless opportunist after his first year on campus. We were publicly cuckolded by Rhule and the NFL yearly.

However, I do not blame the guy for leaving. He took a fat*** pay day and if it doesn't workout, he can get almost any college job he wants. I just didn't like the "god's calling" "unfinished business" schtick, but he did a good job while he was here. If he was terrible, just think how enormous of a dumpster fire we would be!

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Great points.

Mercenary football coaches making $3 mil/year that do very little in the way of civic responsibility are in no position to criticize the loyalty of alums that have supported a university for decades.

Rhule could coach football, but people were beginning to notice the distance between words and deeds.

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It's funny that none of the people closest to him (players, coaches, co-workers) seemed to notice.

The only people calling Rhule a liar or a fraud are butthurt message board fans. And frankly, they don't matter at all.

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CottonValley said:

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I am not sure why so many are bemused by Rhule's departure. We all knew Rhule was a shameless opportunist after his first year on campus. We were publicly cuckolded by Rhule and the NFL yearly.

However, I do not blame the guy for leaving. He took a fat*** pay day and if it doesn't workout, he can get almost any college job he wants. I just didn't like the "god's calling" "unfinished business" schtick, but he did a good job while he was here. If he was terrible, just think how enormous of a dumpster fire we would be!

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Great points.

Mercenary football coaches making $3 mil/year that do very little in the way of civic responsibility are in no position to criticize the loyalty of alums that have supported a university for decades.

Rhule could coach football, but people were beginning to notice the distance between words and deeds.

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It's funny that none of the people closest to him (players, coaches, co-workers) seemed to notice.

The only people calling Rhule a liar or a fraud are butthurt message board fans. And frankly, they don't matter at all.

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Keep believing the other candidates didn't point it out too.

You're just pointing out that you were content before, and content after. It's not wrong for alums to have higher expectations.

We have a lot of low-self esteem fans that think we should be grateful every time we're told that we'll be lucky to go .500. Or that we'll have a 'rough year.' Bull***** For our facilities, stadium, and salary, and the sheer number of bowls, we should be a bowl team every season, minimum expectations.

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bear2be2 said:

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TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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CottonValley said:

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I am not sure why so many are bemused by Rhule's departure. We all knew Rhule was a shameless opportunist after his first year on campus. We were publicly cuckolded by Rhule and the NFL yearly.

However, I do not blame the guy for leaving. He took a fat*** pay day and if it doesn't workout, he can get almost any college job he wants. I just didn't like the "god's calling" "unfinished business" schtick, but he did a good job while he was here. If he was terrible, just think how enormous of a dumpster fire we would be!

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Great points.

Mercenary football coaches making $3 mil/year that do very little in the way of civic responsibility are in no position to criticize the loyalty of alums that have supported a university for decades.

Rhule could coach football, but people were beginning to notice the distance between words and deeds.

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It's funny that none of the people closest to him (players, coaches, co-workers) seemed to notice.

The only people calling Rhule a liar or a fraud are butthurt message board fans. And frankly, they don't matter at all.

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Keep believing the other candidates didn't point it out too.

You're just pointing out that you were content before, and content after. It's not wrong for alums to have higher expectations.

We have a lot of low-self esteem fans that think we should be grateful every time we're told that we'll be lucky to go .500. Or that we'll have a 'rough year.' Bull***** For our facilities, stadium, and salary, and the sheer number of bowls, we should be a bowl team every season, minimum expectations.

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I would argue that the low-self esteem fans are those crying on a message board that their coach left them, as though a) Baylor's the first school this has ever happened to and b) can't be recovered from.

Matt Rhule did a great job for the three years he was here and left Baylor in much better shape than he found it. It's time to find someone who can build on what he started. Trying to turn his departure into something more than it was -- and using his desire to coach in the NFL as a referendum on his integrity and character -- is stupid.

Baylor went 2-9 and 1-7 in the conference in 1998.
LSU went 4-7 and 2-6 in their 1998 season. Now LSU is playing for a national title.

You know what the difference between them and us is? Management and leadership. That's it. Everyone has facilities, everyone recruits, everyone plays on TV.

If you're content to have your coach leave you high and dry patting you on the head and telling you to be grateful to get 60 hung on you by Holgerson or losing to Duke, that's all you'll ever be.

You can be content with losing all you want pal, but do that on your own.

I expect Mack will make a good choice, even though it probably wont be anyone I'm thinking.

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I expect Mack will make a good choice, even though it probably wont be anyone I'm thinking.

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he strikes me as professional, but this episode has been informative to say the least.

There are a lot of good candidates out there, I hope he can land one.

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I just hope whoever it is, it doesn't create the angst here between posters that you find on the R&P board. But, I am sure it will. It seems posters here split as much as the Reps and Dems.

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Yeah, I'd be lying if I said I was 'on board' with Rhule. But I met a player after Year 1 and he apologized profusely about the Liberty game and I had to tell him his coach, "Snow" had skins on the wall and was good. And I believed that, because he made me kick myself for thinking Ariz State would lose to Nebraska! I really believed they'd be fine, and they were.

But my approach to Rhule was wait and see. By the time he started winning, he was gone. Why should I or anyone else care about a short timer? It's not really about whether I like or dislike anyone. .

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I'll always remember that Arizona State game against Nebraska. I watched that game on TV as a BU student the first year of the Big 12. Nebraska's offense was unbelievable and unstoppable for two years before that game and for 2 years after. And Arizona State SHUT THEM OUT. I believed then and believe now that it was the best defensive performance in college football history, considering who they were playing. I admired that game for years but It wasn't until Snow came to BU that I learned he was the Ariz St D coordinator that night. Then, I knew we would be great defensively, and after the system was learned, I was not disappointed.

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I just hope whoever it is, it doesn't create the angst here between posters that you find on the R&P board. But, I am sure it will. It seems posters here split as much as the Reps and Dems.

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Yeah, I'd be lying if I said I was 'on board' with Rhule. But I met a player after Year 1 and he apologized profusely about the Liberty game and I had to tell him his coach, "Snow" had skins on the wall and was good. And I believed that, because he made me kick myself for thinking Ariz State would lose to Nebraska! I really believed they'd be fine, and they were.

But my approach to Rhule was wait and see. By the time he started winning, he was gone. Why should I or anyone else care about a short timer? It's not really about whether I like or dislike anyone. .

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I'll always remember that Arizona State game against Nebraska. I watched that game on TV as a BU student the first year of the Big 12. Nebraska's offense was unbelievable and unstoppable for two years before that game and for 2 years after. And Arizona State SHUT THEM OUT. I believed then and believe now that it was the best defensive performance in college football history, considering who they were playing. I admired that game for years but It wasn't until Snow came to BU that I learned he was the Ariz St D coordinator that night. Then, I knew we would be great defensively, and after the system was learned, I was not disappointed.

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Same, I was walking into a casino and saw that I could bet on that game and.........passed it up!
That's a hard way to learn the meaning of the phrase regression to the mean haunted me since!

I saw his bio when he arrived and knew he was a bad dude. So my expectations were high of him, because that Nebraska team was strong and Ariz State was just average. It proved that Osborne was mortal.

I hate to see the guy leave. He's good at his job and it's got to be draining for him to leave a round of players on what might be his last stop. It's interesting that he wasn't more successful, but I guess he learned to just find a crew and stick with them and Rhule appreciated his talents.

If he doesn't go to Carolina, that owner is gonna learn the hard way how much of a driver he was to our wins.

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I've been disappointed in most of Baylor's hires for the last fifty years with a couple or three exceptions

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If you are referring to Baylor's decision to hire me PT in the Penland Dining Hall, then you are most correct, sir.

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I think it's already been made and it is the one person who I think will take us back to the Kevin Steele era of football quality. But, I will support him (within reason) as I wait on his replacement in 2 to 3 years.

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This post is peak poors board

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I just hope whoever it is, it doesn't create the angst here between posters that you find on the R&P board. But, I am sure it will. It seems posters here split as much as the Reps and Dems.

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Yeah, I'd be lying if I said I was 'on board' with Rhule. But I met a player after Year 1 and he apologized profusely about the Liberty game and I had to tell him his coach, "Snow" had skins on the wall and was good. And I believed that, because he made me kick myself for thinking Ariz State would lose to Nebraska! I really believed they'd be fine, and they were.

But my approach to Rhule was wait and see. By the time he started winning, he was gone. Why should I or anyone else care about a short timer? It's not really about whether I like or dislike anyone.

My investment in Baylor is 25 years young. If any employee comes in and serves the U well, I'll support em. But taking out $3 mil a year puts a price on a man's head. These coaches seem to forget that.

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Yep, this.

Rhule even had the nerve to tell people that didn't like our last place recruiting this year to leave...before he left.

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He allegedly said he was real Baylor and many grads who criticized him were not.

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He showed his true colors and they weren't green and gold, or even velveeta.

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A large number of our CABer fans showed their true colors the past 1,326 days and they were not green and gold.

They looked and sounded like baby ____ green & gold.

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Baylor went 2-9 and 1-7 in the conference in 1998.
LSU went 4-7 and 2-6 in their 1998 season. Now LSU is playing for a national title.

You know what the difference between them and us is? Management and leadership. That's it. Everyone has facilities, everyone recruits, everyone plays on TV.

If you're content to have your coach leave you high and dry patting you on the head and telling you to be grateful to get 60 hung on you by Holgerson or losing to Duke, that's all you'll ever be.

You can be content with losing all you want pal, but do that on your own.

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The difference between LSU and us?

.654 vs. .512 lifetime
16 conference titles vs. 9 titles
3 national titles vs. 0 (selected 5 other times)
102,000 seat stadium vs. 45,000 seats (9th largest stadium in the world)
32 current NFL players vs. 7 current
5 players in NFL HOF vs. 1
$$$$$ vs. $$$
Just to name a few.


Our management & leadership, under Mack Rhodes, is excellent. Prior to Mack arriving the leadership was poor and the management undisciplined (within the football program).

We had a coach that used and abused the trust we put in him and he left us tarred and feathered in the national eye. He did not pat us on the head. He kicked us in the keister.

Rhodes and Rhule proved that you can win with class.

McGuire or Napier could have been named quickly thus the longer it goes the more disappointing it may be.