Dman said:

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Dman said:

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Dman said:

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When your BOR utterly fails at a crisis management, implements an "investigation" without documents...then prepares a FOF written by the same BOR..for that BOR...based on no verifiable data that can be independently reviewed, deflects the 90%/campus problem into a football only issue so that the focus in not on them, and you selectively leak/substantiate click bait media statements to the press about allegations that were never remotely close to accurate....you literally open the door to this chaos.

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You are clueless

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Nothing I said wasn't factual.

Yawn....you're not even worth my time. Never have been

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BOR made the right moves. You are gonna be forever butt hurt. Lol

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Nope. I'm just able to walk and chew gum at the same time. I supported Rhule from day 1. I'm thrilled at the new hire and the the staff he's put together. Time will tell regarding their results

That does NOT mean our BOR wasn't a complete cluster. There's not another university alive that would have kept them had they been subject to a vote of accountability.

If you believe otherwise....you are a special kind of slow.

Go back to the pay side. Your lost.

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Thank goodness the BOR took action when they did. It was cluster before 2016. Their actions afterward saved our butt. The only action you cannot defend is the WSJ leak. That did not make me happy, but when the school is battling the CABers and Patty Crawford, it is understandable. Would you prefer the school just continue to sweep the problems under the rug? At least they finally did a mea culpa with regard to the school's administration and cleaned house. I am happy with how things are progressing on that front.

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SATXBear said:

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Dman said:

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SATXBear said:

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Dman said:

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When your BOR utterly fails at a crisis management, implements an "investigation" without documents...then prepares a FOF written by the same BOR..for that BOR...based on no verifiable data that can be independently reviewed, deflects the 90%/campus problem into a football only issue so that the focus in not on them, and you selectively leak/substantiate click bait media statements to the press about allegations that were never remotely close to accurate....you literally open the door to this chaos.

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You are clueless

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Nothing I said wasn't factual.

Yawn....you're not even worth my time. Never have been

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BOR made the right moves. You are gonna be forever butt hurt. Lol

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Please. Not a single rational person believes that. The truth is in the middle of both extremes.

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I agree. They were not perfect. To say the school was not correct for their mea culpa is just short sided. Astros situation is very comparable to Baylor.

I would also like the NCAA to investigate about why all the victims did not come out of the woodworkl until after Art Briles turned down the University of Texas at Austin.

That's not a mere coincidence.

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Dman said:

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SATXBear said:

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Dman said:

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SATXBear said:

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Dman said:

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When your BOR utterly fails at a crisis management, implements an "investigation" without documents...then prepares a FOF written by the same BOR..for that BOR...based on no verifiable data that can be independently reviewed, deflects the 90%/campus problem into a football only issue so that the focus in not on them, and you selectively leak/substantiate click bait media statements to the press about allegations that were never remotely close to accurate....you literally open the door to this chaos.

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You are clueless

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Nothing I said wasn't factual.

Yawn....you're not even worth my time. Never have been

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BOR made the right moves. You are gonna be forever butt hurt. Lol

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Nope. I'm just able to walk and chew gum at the same time. I supported Rhule from day 1. I'm thrilled at the new hire and the the staff he's put together. Time will tell regarding their results

That does NOT mean our BOR wasn't a complete cluster. There's not another university alive that would have kept them had they been subject to a vote of accountability.

If you believe otherwise....you are a special kind of slow.

Go back to the pay side. Your lost.

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Thank goodness the BOR took action when they did. It was cluster before 2016. Their actions afterward saved our butt. The only action you cannot defend is the WSJ leak. That did not make me happy, but when the school is battling the CABers and Patty Crawford, it is understandable. Would you prefer the school just continue to sweep the problems under the rug? At least they finally did a mea culpa with regard to the school's administration and cleaned house. I am happy with how things are progressing on that front.

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What an absolute load of crap to suggest that was the only options. Do what they did or sweep it under the rug.

They had 2 choices.

-Stand hand in hand with everyone, former staff included, and say "we are Baylor...one incident is to much, but we DID NOT cover up rape. We DID not play a single player accused of rape. Having said that, we will be the new standard. Implement full transparency. Checks and balances. And work together to Become the example for all universities. Including the 90% of the problem outside of football
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-or. Take a ZERO tolerance and clean house...but for this to have been genuine, it would have included themselves. They could have admitted no wrong doing, but admitted a new BOR was needed to avoid the conflicts of interest that had been discovered and let Baylor heal. This could have been done through an organized process over time.

Instead. They did neither. They did the worse thing you can do. They did an entire investigation in secrecy, no transparency. Took a ZERO tolerance with everyone else..but themselves. Selectively leaked one sided emails and click bait, unsubstantiated rumors, when it fit their purpose. Then hid ANY and ALL evidence of the findings showing their collective failures as a BOR that were so bad that it required massive overhaul on how the BOR was run. The result was letting the university twist in the wind while the rest of the world mocked us.

Our BoR would NEVER have survived had they been accountable to anybody but themselves. That is just a fact!

I just want someone on the board to admit that they had a dildo/male enhancement salesman as the leader of the Board of Regents.

That news was announced the week after one of those blowhards told us the metric to get a board seat was service to the church.

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SATXBear said:

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Dman said:

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SATXBear said:

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Dman said:

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SATXBear said:

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Dman said:

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When your BOR utterly fails at a crisis management, implements an "investigation" without documents...then prepares a FOF written by the same BOR..for that BOR...based on no verifiable data that can be independently reviewed, deflects the 90%/campus problem into a football only issue so that the focus in not on them, and you selectively leak/substantiate click bait media statements to the press about allegations that were never remotely close to accurate....you literally open the door to this chaos.

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You are clueless

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Nothing I said wasn't factual.

Yawn....you're not even worth my time. Never have been

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BOR made the right moves. You are gonna be forever butt hurt. Lol

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Nope. I'm just able to walk and chew gum at the same time. I supported Rhule from day 1. I'm thrilled at the new hire and the the staff he's put together. Time will tell regarding their results

That does NOT mean our BOR wasn't a complete cluster. There's not another university alive that would have kept them had they been subject to a vote of accountability.

If you believe otherwise....you are a special kind of slow.

Go back to the pay side. Your lost.

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Thank goodness the BOR took action when they did. It was cluster before 2016. Their actions afterward saved our butt. The only action you cannot defend is the WSJ leak. That did not make me happy, but when the school is battling the CABers and Patty Crawford, it is understandable. Would you prefer the school just continue to sweep the problems under the rug? At least they finally did a mea culpa with regard to the school's administration and cleaned house. I am happy with how things are progressing on that front.

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What an absolute load of crap to suggest that was the only options. Do what they did or sweep it under the rug.

They had 2 choices.

-Stand hand in hand with everyone, former staff included, and say "we are Baylor...one incident is to much, but we DID NOT cover up rape. We DID not play a single player accused of rape. Having said that, we will be the new standard. Implement full transparency. Checks and balances. And work together to Become the example for all universities. Including the 90% of the problem outside of football
.
-or. Take a ZERO tolerance and clean house...but for this to have been genuine, it would have included themselves. They could have admitted no wrong doing, but admitted a new BOR was needed to avoid the conflicts of interest that had been discovered and let Baylor heal. This could have been done through an organized process over time.

Instead. They did neither. They did the worse thing you can do. They did an entire investigation in secrecy, no transparency. Took a ZERO tolerance with everyone else..but themselves. Selectively leaked one sided emails and click bait, unsubstantiated rumors, when it fit their purpose. Then hid ANY and ALL evidence of the findings showing their collective failures as a BOR that were so bad that it required massive overhaul on how the BOR was run. The result was letting the university twist in the wind while the rest of the world mocked us.

Our BoR would NEVER have survived had they been accountable to anybody but themselves. That is just a fact!

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Those are your two choices, not Baylor's. Astros did the same thing as Baylor for example #2. After the revelations became public, both organizations got out in front of it. Some call it an overreaction, but it is the way of the corporate world in the current culture. Everyone had blood on their hands, but they had to move forward with the best interests of the University in mind. Just because all the BOR did not quit all at once, does not mean they did the wrong thing.

That explains it - company man defending that pathetic bunch of clowns, no surprise

SATXBear said:

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Dman said:

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SATXBear said:

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Dman said:

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SATXBear said:

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Dman said:

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SATXBear said:

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Dman said:

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When your BOR utterly fails at a crisis management, implements an "investigation" without documents...then prepares a FOF written by the same BOR..for that BOR...based on no verifiable data that can be independently reviewed, deflects the 90%/campus problem into a football only issue so that the focus in not on them, and you selectively leak/substantiate click bait media statements to the press about allegations that were never remotely close to accurate....you literally open the door to this chaos.

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You are clueless

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Nothing I said wasn't factual.

Yawn....you're not even worth my time. Never have been

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BOR made the right moves. You are gonna be forever butt hurt. Lol

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Nope. I'm just able to walk and chew gum at the same time. I supported Rhule from day 1. I'm thrilled at the new hire and the the staff he's put together. Time will tell regarding their results

That does NOT mean our BOR wasn't a complete cluster. There's not another university alive that would have kept them had they been subject to a vote of accountability.

If you believe otherwise....you are a special kind of slow.

Go back to the pay side. Your lost.

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Thank goodness the BOR took action when they did. It was cluster before 2016. Their actions afterward saved our butt. The only action you cannot defend is the WSJ leak. That did not make me happy, but when the school is battling the CABers and Patty Crawford, it is understandable. Would you prefer the school just continue to sweep the problems under the rug? At least they finally did a mea culpa with regard to the school's administration and cleaned house. I am happy with how things are progressing on that front.

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What an absolute load of crap to suggest that was the only options. Do what they did or sweep it under the rug.

They had 2 choices.

-Stand hand in hand with everyone, former staff included, and say "we are Baylor...one incident is to much, but we DID NOT cover up rape. We DID not play a single player accused of rape. Having said that, we will be the new standard. Implement full transparency. Checks and balances. And work together to Become the example for all universities. Including the 90% of the problem outside of football
.
-or. Take a ZERO tolerance and clean house...but for this to have been genuine, it would have included themselves. They could have admitted no wrong doing, but admitted a new BOR was needed to avoid the conflicts of interest that had been discovered and let Baylor heal. This could have been done through an organized process over time.

Instead. They did neither. They did the worse thing you can do. They did an entire investigation in secrecy, no transparency. Took a ZERO tolerance with everyone else..but themselves. Selectively leaked one sided emails and click bait, unsubstantiated rumors, when it fit their purpose. Then hid ANY and ALL evidence of the findings showing their collective failures as a BOR that were so bad that it required massive overhaul on how the BOR was run. The result was letting the university twist in the wind while the rest of the world mocked us.

Our BoR would NEVER have survived had they been accountable to anybody but themselves. That is just a fact!

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Those are your two choices, not Baylor's. Astros did the same thing as Baylor for example #2. After the revelations became public, both organizations got out in front of it. Some call it an overreaction, but it is the way of the corporate world in the current culture. Everyone had blood on their hands, but they had to move forward with the best interests of the University in mind. Just because all the BOR did not quit all at once, does not mean they did the wrong thing.

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I blame myself. I said you weren't worth my time...you're a broken record who just refuses to acknowledge the truth. So much fail in so few posts.

You've contradicted yourself in just 4 post (they were right.....oh wait...everyone failed)

Did you just compare a private sports franchise bought and solely owned by a family to a university BOR made up of individuals that own nothing but control a billion dollar endowment and university...and no method of accountability to anyone. The revelations and investigation BY AN OUTSIDE BODY THAT REPORTED EVIDENCE AND RECORDS and was FULLY TRANSPARENT never implicated the owner of the Astros to have been involved personally. So cleaning house was easy and not controversial. He got credit for doing the right thing BECAUSE HE WASN'T INVOLVED HIMSELF. Regardless...its an asinine comparison. Versus an investigation paid for by the BOR with no reports or transparency. You do realize, and can hopefully acknowledge, the BOR was shown to have had personal conflicts of interest, overstepped their authority, meddled outside of their scope of service, severe lack of over-site and accountability, on and on. So much, that a great deal of the reform was aimed AT THEM. You don't get credit for making changes, only after they are discovered and you are under a microscope. They were just as culpable, but on a much larger scale, than the football program.

You are literally one of the only people on earth (outside of paid shills like Keyser) who can look at the biggest/most costly scandal in our schools history and say..."great job...lets keep the exact same people in charge....Give us more of the same."

Thank God every year that goes by fewer and fewer remain...BUT THAT'S NOT ACCOUNTABILITY. That's simply running out their terms.

Its a gorgeous day outside. You're welcome to have the last word. Its your MO and your weak position needs it...I'm taking my own advice and not wasting my time on you anymore.

Dman said:

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SATXBear said:

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Dman said:

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SATXBear said:

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Dman said:

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SATXBear said:

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Dman said:

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SATXBear said:

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Dman said:

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When your BOR utterly fails at a crisis management, implements an "investigation" without documents...then prepares a FOF written by the same BOR..for that BOR...based on no verifiable data that can be independently reviewed, deflects the 90%/campus problem into a football only issue so that the focus in not on them, and you selectively leak/substantiate click bait media statements to the press about allegations that were never remotely close to accurate....you literally open the door to this chaos.

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You are clueless

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Nothing I said wasn't factual.

Yawn....you're not even worth my time. Never have been

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BOR made the right moves. You are gonna be forever butt hurt. Lol

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Nope. I'm just able to walk and chew gum at the same time. I supported Rhule from day 1. I'm thrilled at the new hire and the the staff he's put together. Time will tell regarding their results

That does NOT mean our BOR wasn't a complete cluster. There's not another university alive that would have kept them had they been subject to a vote of accountability.

If you believe otherwise....you are a special kind of slow.

Go back to the pay side. Your lost.

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Thank goodness the BOR took action when they did. It was cluster before 2016. Their actions afterward saved our butt. The only action you cannot defend is the WSJ leak. That did not make me happy, but when the school is battling the CABers and Patty Crawford, it is understandable. Would you prefer the school just continue to sweep the problems under the rug? At least they finally did a mea culpa with regard to the school's administration and cleaned house. I am happy with how things are progressing on that front.

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What an absolute load of crap to suggest that was the only options. Do what they did or sweep it under the rug.

They had 2 choices.

-Stand hand in hand with everyone, former staff included, and say "we are Baylor...one incident is to much, but we DID NOT cover up rape. We DID not play a single player accused of rape. Having said that, we will be the new standard. Implement full transparency. Checks and balances. And work together to Become the example for all universities. Including the 90% of the problem outside of football
.
-or. Take a ZERO tolerance and clean house...but for this to have been genuine, it would have included themselves. They could have admitted no wrong doing, but admitted a new BOR was needed to avoid the conflicts of interest that had been discovered and let Baylor heal. This could have been done through an organized process over time.

Instead. They did neither. They did the worse thing you can do. They did an entire investigation in secrecy, no transparency. Took a ZERO tolerance with everyone else..but themselves. Selectively leaked one sided emails and click bait, unsubstantiated rumors, when it fit their purpose. Then hid ANY and ALL evidence of the findings showing their collective failures as a BOR that were so bad that it required massive overhaul on how the BOR was run. The result was letting the university twist in the wind while the rest of the world mocked us.

Our BoR would NEVER have survived had they been accountable to anybody but themselves. That is just a fact!

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Those are your two choices, not Baylor's. Astros did the same thing as Baylor for example #2. After the revelations became public, both organizations got out in front of it. Some call it an overreaction, but it is the way of the corporate world in the current culture. Everyone had blood on their hands, but they had to move forward with the best interests of the University in mind. Just because all the BOR did not quit all at once, does not mean they did the wrong thing.

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I blame myself. I said you weren't worth my time...you're a broken record who just refuses to acknowledge the truth. So much fail in so few posts.

You've contradicted yourself in just 4 post (they were right.....oh wait...everyone failed)

Did you just compare a private sports franchise bought and solely owned by a family to a university BOR made up of individuals that own nothing but control a billion dollar endowment and university...and no method of accountability to anyone. The revelations and investigation BY AN OUTSIDE BODY THAT REPORTED EVIDENCE AND RECORDS and was FULLY TRANSPARENT never implicated the owner of the Astros to have been involved personally. So cleaning house was easy and not controversial. He got credit for doing the right thing BECAUSE HE WASN'T INVOLVED HIMSELF. Regardless...its an asinine comparison. Versus an investigation paid for by the BOR with no reports or transparency. You do realize, and can hopefully acknowledge, the BOR was shown to have had personal conflicts of interest, overstepped their authority, meddled outside of their scope of service, severe lack of over-site and accountability, on and on. So much, that a great deal of the reform was aimed AT THEM. You don't get credit for making changes, only after they are discovered and you are under a microscope. They were just as culpable, but on a much larger scale, than the football program.

You are literally one of the only people on earth (outside of paid shills like Keyser) who can look at the biggest/most costly scandal in our schools history and say..."great job...lets keep the exact same people in charge....Give us more of the same."

Thank God every year that goes by fewer and fewer remain...BUT THAT'S NOT ACCOUNTABILITY. That's simply running out their terms.

Its a gorgeous day outside. You're welcome to have the last word. Its your MO and your weak position needs it...I'm taking my own advice and not wasting my time on you anymore.

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The problem with your stance is that you deal in only absolutes. You seem to think the BOR decisions with regard to the scandal are 100% wrong and set the school up for a massive failure. The way I see it is that they did what was needed to be done. Baylor was going to have to take its punishment regardless because of all the previous screw ups by everyone. There were probably some mistakes along the way, but a lot correct decisions also.

I could care less who gets credit or who gets blamed. The inactions prior to 2016 were going to cost the school money and prestige regardless.

I am glad an independent investigation was done and the school started fresh. I don't believe any of those BORs are at Baylor anymore. I also don't think the school owes the alumni the dirty details as much as many want know. That information is privileged.

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Dman said:

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SATXBear said:

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Dman said:

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SATXBear said:

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Dman said:

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SATXBear said:

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Dman said:

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SATXBear said:

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Dman said:

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When your BOR utterly fails at a crisis management, implements an "investigation" without documents...then prepares a FOF written by the same BOR..for that BOR...based on no verifiable data that can be independently reviewed, deflects the 90%/campus problem into a football only issue so that the focus in not on them, and you selectively leak/substantiate click bait media statements to the press about allegations that were never remotely close to accurate....you literally open the door to this chaos.

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You are clueless

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Nothing I said wasn't factual.

Yawn....you're not even worth my time. Never have been

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BOR made the right moves. You are gonna be forever butt hurt. Lol

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Nope. I'm just able to walk and chew gum at the same time. I supported Rhule from day 1. I'm thrilled at the new hire and the the staff he's put together. Time will tell regarding their results

That does NOT mean our BOR wasn't a complete cluster. There's not another university alive that would have kept them had they been subject to a vote of accountability.

If you believe otherwise....you are a special kind of slow.

Go back to the pay side. Your lost.

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Thank goodness the BOR took action when they did. It was cluster before 2016. Their actions afterward saved our butt. The only action you cannot defend is the WSJ leak. That did not make me happy, but when the school is battling the CABers and Patty Crawford, it is understandable. Would you prefer the school just continue to sweep the problems under the rug? At least they finally did a mea culpa with regard to the school's administration and cleaned house. I am happy with how things are progressing on that front.

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What an absolute load of crap to suggest that was the only options. Do what they did or sweep it under the rug.

They had 2 choices.

-Stand hand in hand with everyone, former staff included, and say "we are Baylor...one incident is to much, but we DID NOT cover up rape. We DID not play a single player accused of rape. Having said that, we will be the new standard. Implement full transparency. Checks and balances. And work together to Become the example for all universities. Including the 90% of the problem outside of football
.
-or. Take a ZERO tolerance and clean house...but for this to have been genuine, it would have included themselves. They could have admitted no wrong doing, but admitted a new BOR was needed to avoid the conflicts of interest that had been discovered and let Baylor heal. This could have been done through an organized process over time.

Instead. They did neither. They did the worse thing you can do. They did an entire investigation in secrecy, no transparency. Took a ZERO tolerance with everyone else..but themselves. Selectively leaked one sided emails and click bait, unsubstantiated rumors, when it fit their purpose. Then hid ANY and ALL evidence of the findings showing their collective failures as a BOR that were so bad that it required massive overhaul on how the BOR was run. The result was letting the university twist in the wind while the rest of the world mocked us.

Our BoR would NEVER have survived had they been accountable to anybody but themselves. That is just a fact!

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Those are your two choices, not Baylor's. Astros did the same thing as Baylor for example #2. After the revelations became public, both organizations got out in front of it. Some call it an overreaction, but it is the way of the corporate world in the current culture. Everyone had blood on their hands, but they had to move forward with the best interests of the University in mind. Just because all the BOR did not quit all at once, does not mean they did the wrong thing.

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I blame myself. I said you weren't worth my time...you're a broken record who just refuses to acknowledge the truth. So much fail in so few posts.

You've contradicted yourself in just 4 post (they were right.....oh wait...everyone failed)

Did you just compare a private sports franchise bought and solely owned by a family to a university BOR made up of individuals that own nothing but control a billion dollar endowment and university...and no method of accountability to anyone. The revelations and investigation BY AN OUTSIDE BODY THAT REPORTED EVIDENCE AND RECORDS and was FULLY TRANSPARENT never implicated the owner of the Astros to have been involved personally. So cleaning house was easy and not controversial. He got credit for doing the right thing BECAUSE HE WASN'T INVOLVED HIMSELF. Regardless...its an asinine comparison. Versus an investigation paid for by the BOR with no reports or transparency. You do realize, and can hopefully acknowledge, the BOR was shown to have had personal conflicts of interest, overstepped their authority, meddled outside of their scope of service, severe lack of over-site and accountability, on and on. So much, that a great deal of the reform was aimed AT THEM. You don't get credit for making changes, only after they are discovered and you are under a microscope. They were just as culpable, but on a much larger scale, than the football program.

You are literally one of the only people on earth (outside of paid shills like Keyser) who can look at the biggest/most costly scandal in our schools history and say..."great job...lets keep the exact same people in charge....Give us more of the same."

Thank God every year that goes by fewer and fewer remain...BUT THAT'S NOT ACCOUNTABILITY. That's simply running out their terms.

Its a gorgeous day outside. You're welcome to have the last word. Its your MO and your weak position needs it...I'm taking my own advice and not wasting my time on you anymore.

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The problem with your stance is that you deal in only absolutes. You seem to think the BOR decisions with regard to the scandal are 100% wrong and set the school up for a massive failure. The way I see it is that they did what needed to be done. Baylor was going to have to take its punishment regardless because of all the previous screw ups by everyone. There were probably some mistakes along the way, but a lot correct decisions also.

I could care less who gets credit or who gets blamed. The inactions prior to 2016 were going to cost the school money and prestige regardless.

I am glad an independent investigation was done and the school started fresh. I don't believe any of those BORs are at Baylor anymore. I also don't think the school owes the alumni the dirty details as much as many want know. That information is privileged.

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I HATE MYSELF FOR FALLING FOR THIS. An independent/transparent investigation was NOT done. The FOF was written by the BOR and for the BOR...not even by PH (which they were not independent). We did not start FRESH. There were plenty still on the BOR who were directly implicated in major failures. Running out your term is not "starting fresh".

This is my whole problem...along with the greater public at large...and where your position totally breaks down.

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Dman said:

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SATXBear said:

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Dman said:

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SATXBear said:

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Dman said:

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SATXBear said:

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Dman said:

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When your BOR utterly fails at a crisis management, implements an "investigation" without documents...then prepares a FOF written by the same BOR..for that BOR...based on no verifiable data that can be independently reviewed, deflects the 90%/campus problem into a football only issue so that the focus in not on them, and you selectively leak/substantiate click bait media statements to the press about allegations that were never remotely close to accurate....you literally open the door to this chaos.

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You are clueless

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Nothing I said wasn't factual.

Yawn....you're not even worth my time. Never have been

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BOR made the right moves. You are gonna be forever butt hurt. Lol

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Nope. I'm just able to walk and chew gum at the same time. I supported Rhule from day 1. I'm thrilled at the new hire and the the staff he's put together. Time will tell regarding their results

That does NOT mean our BOR wasn't a complete cluster. There's not another university alive that would have kept them had they been subject to a vote of accountability.

If you believe otherwise....you are a special kind of slow.

Go back to the pay side. Your lost.

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Thank goodness the BOR took action when they did. It was cluster before 2016. Their actions afterward saved our butt. The only action you cannot defend is the WSJ leak. That did not make me happy, but when the school is battling the CABers and Patty Crawford, it is understandable. Would you prefer the school just continue to sweep the problems under the rug? At least they finally did a mea culpa with regard to the school's administration and cleaned house. I am happy with how things are progressing on that front.

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What an absolute load of crap to suggest that was the only options. Do what they did or sweep it under the rug.

They had 2 choices.

-Stand hand in hand with everyone, former staff included, and say "we are Baylor...one incident is to much, but we DID NOT cover up rape. We DID not play a single player accused of rape. Having said that, we will be the new standard. Implement full transparency. Checks and balances. And work together to Become the example for all universities. Including the 90% of the problem outside of football
.
-or. Take a ZERO tolerance and clean house...but for this to have been genuine, it would have included themselves. They could have admitted no wrong doing, but admitted a new BOR was needed to avoid the conflicts of interest that had been discovered and let Baylor heal. This could have been done through an organized process over time.

Instead. They did neither. They did the worse thing you can do. They did an entire investigation in secrecy, no transparency. Took a ZERO tolerance with everyone else..but themselves. Selectively leaked one sided emails and click bait, unsubstantiated rumors, when it fit their purpose. Then hid ANY and ALL evidence of the findings showing their collective failures as a BOR that were so bad that it required massive overhaul on how the BOR was run. The result was letting the university twist in the wind while the rest of the world mocked us.

Our BoR would NEVER have survived had they been accountable to anybody but themselves. That is just a fact!

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Those are your two choices, not Baylor's. Astros did the same thing as Baylor for example #2. After the revelations became public, both organizations got out in front of it. Some call it an overreaction, but it is the way of the corporate world in the current culture. Everyone had blood on their hands, but they had to move forward with the best interests of the University in mind. Just because all the BOR did not quit all at once, does not mean they did the wrong thing.

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I blame myself. I said you weren't worth my time...you're a broken record who just refuses to acknowledge the truth. So much fail in so few posts.

You've contradicted yourself in just 4 post (they were right.....oh wait...everyone failed)

Did you just compare a private sports franchise bought and solely owned by a family to a university BOR made up of individuals that own nothing but control a billion dollar endowment and university...and no method of accountability to anyone. The revelations and investigation BY AN OUTSIDE BODY THAT REPORTED EVIDENCE AND RECORDS and was FULLY TRANSPARENT never implicated the owner of the Astros to have been involved personally. So cleaning house was easy and not controversial. He got credit for doing the right thing BECAUSE HE WASN'T INVOLVED HIMSELF. Regardless...its an asinine comparison. Versus an investigation paid for by the BOR with no reports or transparency. You do realize, and can hopefully acknowledge, the BOR was shown to have had personal conflicts of interest, overstepped their authority, meddled outside of their scope of service, severe lack of over-site and accountability, on and on. So much, that a great deal of the reform was aimed AT THEM. You don't get credit for making changes, only after they are discovered and you are under a microscope. They were just as culpable, but on a much larger scale, than the football program.

You are literally one of the only people on earth (outside of paid shills like Keyser) who can look at the biggest/most costly scandal in our schools history and say..."great job...lets keep the exact same people in charge....Give us more of the same."

Thank God every year that goes by fewer and fewer remain...BUT THAT'S NOT ACCOUNTABILITY. That's simply running out their terms.

Its a gorgeous day outside. You're welcome to have the last word. Its your MO and your weak position needs it...I'm taking my own advice and not wasting my time on you anymore.

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The problem with your stance is that you deal in only absolutes. You seem to think the BOR decisions with regard to the scandal are 100% wrong and set the school up for a massive failure. The way I see it is that they did what needed to be done. Baylor was going to have to take its punishment regardless because of all the previous screw ups by everyone. There were probably some mistakes along the way, but a lot correct decisions also.

I could care less who gets credit or who gets blamed. The inactions prior to 2016 were going to cost the school money and prestige regardless.

I am glad an independent investigation was done and the school started fresh. I don't believe any of those BORs are at Baylor anymore. I also don't think the school owes the alumni the dirty details as much as many want know. That information is privileged.

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I HATE MYSELF FOR FALLING FOR THIS. An independent/transparent investigation was NOT done. The FOF was written by the BOR and for the BOR...not even by PH (which they were not independent). We did not start FRESH. There were plenty still on the BOR who were directly implicated in major failures. Running out your term is not "starting fresh".

This is my whole problem...along with the greater public at large...and where your position totally breaks down.

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Let's leave at this Dman. Have a good weekend.

So was this case handled by the new committee or whatever bs we heard the NCAA was creating?

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BOR made the right moves. You are gonna be forever butt hurt. Lol

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No one--even the Briles haters--believes this is a true statement.

BOR displayed historic incompetence in all areas.

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BOR made the right moves. You are gonna be forever butt hurt. Lol

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No one--even the Briles haters--believes this is a true statement.

BOR displayed historic incompetence in all areas.

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I don't think we have read the final chapter on the BOR's handling. The NCAA decision and settlements of lawsuits will determine that. So far things have seemed to work out however. As I was told by a Baylor employee in 2016, the academic side of the school was doing fine in contrast to the athletic department. Currently Rhoades seems to be handling that part well though.

Refresh my memory. How many people were convicted of rape/sexual assault?

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BOR made the right moves. You are gonna be forever butt hurt. Lol

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No one--even the Briles haters--believes this is a true statement.

BOR displayed historic incompetence in all areas.

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I don't think we have read the final chapter on the BOR's handling. The NCAA decision and settlements of lawsuits will determine that. So far things have seemed to work out however. As I was told by a Baylor employee in 2016, the academic side of the school was doing fine in contrast to the athletic department. Currently Rhoades seems to be handling that part well though.

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This literally explains everything. You swallow the company line hook and sinker, despite ALL evidence. The "academic" side was a **** show. By their own non-independent investigation...Football accounted for a fraction of the problem . But the football is what made the press. The BoR new that, gave them more meat, and deflected.

Again, your previous post says it all. You actually believe we did an "independent investigation". You actually believe we had a "fresh start". It was neither by any unbiased/neutral observer.

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BOR made the right moves. You are gonna be forever butt hurt. Lol

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No one--even the Briles haters--believes this is a true statement.

BOR displayed historic incompetence in all areas.

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I don't think we have read the final chapter on the BOR's handling. The NCAA decision and settlements of lawsuits will determine that. So far things have seemed to work out however. As I was told by a Baylor employee in 2016, the academic side of the school was doing fine in contrast to the athletic department. Currently Rhoades seems to be handling that part well though.

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This literally explains everything. You swallow the company line hook and sinker, despite ALL evidence. The "academic" side was a **** show. By their own non-independent investigation...Football accounted for a fraction of the problem . But the football is what made the press. The BoR new that, gave them more meat, and deflected.

Again, your previous post says it all. You actually believe we did an "independent investigation". You actually believe we had a "fresh start". It was neither by any unbiased/neutral observer.

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I have a very good friend who works at Baylor and all five of his kids attend/attended Baylor. I will believe my friend way before someone like you. You keep living in your fantasy world. I doubt you have any real communication with Baylor employees. You just pontificate on the internet.

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BOR made the right moves. You are gonna be forever butt hurt. Lol

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No one--even the Briles haters--believes this is a true statement.

BOR displayed historic incompetence in all areas.

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From their beginning, the BOR has consistently worked to aggrandize their power and control. Early on they gerrymandered the size of the board, reducing it "for efficiency"in fact, removing everyone that didn't follow the "new leadership," who then put in a president of their theological persuasion,a lousy reason to choose a university president, if Ok for doctrinaire seminaries. Then every blunder in presidential administration followed, with wrongheaded and weak men alternating, all picked for religious positions or phony civil religion stances. But in spite of all this piety, they violated the one job they have: fiduciary responsibility. (After all, if you think people are named to the board for any other reason than serving as cash cowswith one or two exceptions as token commonersyou really need to get out more. They don't have to know a damned thing about education. So just DO YOUR ONE JOB!)

So we paid, and are paying, millions for their bad decisions. And one of those presidents, who could track down wrong doing by a US president and see him impeached, covered up his own administration. Then he was demoted, and finally given the boot.

Where is the next Judge McCall or Samuel Palmer Brooks? But I am still hopeful for our current president, but regardless of whatever her own personal persuasion may be, never doubt that the decision not to allow any LBGT-type organization on campus is pure BOR thinking.

SATX said: I have a very good friend who works at Baylor and all five of his kids attend/attended Baylor. I will believe my friend way before someone like you. You keep living in your fantasy world. I doubt you have any real communication with Baylor employees. You just pontificate on the internet.

Does your friend have any facts to share - you never seem to have any.

Ok. What do you want to see happen?

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We shouldn't roll over, but we have a strong remediation argument - we brought in outside investigators and cleaned house before the NCAA ever got involved.

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We've already self remediated. There's nothing left for the NCAA to do.

But the NCAA has to find something in order to save face. And make up for its mishandling of Penn St., Miami, UNC and recently Mich. St.

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When your BOR utterly fails at a crisis management, implements an "investigation" without documents...then prepares a FOF written by the same BOR..for that BOR...based on no verifiable data that can be independently reviewed, deflects the 90%/campus problem into a football only issue so that the focus in not on them, and you selectively leak/substantiate click bait media statements to the press about allegations that were never remotely close to accurate....you literally open the door to this chaos.

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You are clueless

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Nothing I said wasn't factual.

Yawn....you're not even worth my time. Never have been

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BOR made the right moves. You are gonna be forever butt hurt. Lol

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You couldn't be more wrong but that would be nothing new.

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SATX said: I have a very good friend who works at Baylor and all five of his kids attend/attended Baylor. I will believe my friend way before someone like you. You keep living in your fantasy world. I doubt you have any real communication with Baylor employees. You just pontificate on the internet.

Does your friend have any facts to share - you never seem to have any.

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We don't talk about stuff like this, but he told me back in 2016 not to believe all the conspiracy theories. I will leave it at that. Of course the administration and BOR had screw ups, but the academic side of Baylor was intact and solid throughout the scandal which is what is most important.

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I would also like the NCAA to investigate about why all the victims did not come out of the woodworkl until after Art Briles turned down the University of Texas at Austin.

That's not a mere coincidence.

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Art turned UT down?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

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When your BOR utterly fails at a crisis management, implements an "investigation" without documents...then prepares a FOF written by the same BOR..for that BOR...based on no verifiable data that can be independently reviewed, deflects the 90%/campus problem into a football only issue so that the focus in not on them, and you selectively leak/substantiate click bait media statements to the press about allegations that were never remotely close to accurate....you literally open the door to this chaos.

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You are clueless

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Nothing I said wasn't factual.

Yawn....you're not even worth my time. Never have been

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BOR made the right moves. You are gonna be forever butt hurt. Lol

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You couldn't be more wrong but that would be nothing new.

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Well I certainly do not think the 2016 BORs were responsible for what the 2010 to 2014 BORs did. They were just the clean up crew.

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BOR made the right moves. You are gonna be forever butt hurt. Lol

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No one--even the Briles haters--believes this is a true statement.

BOR displayed historic incompetence in all areas.

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I believe it is a true statement.

The primary fault lies in Ian's lap.

Secondly it fell upon Ken Starr.

Since neither of the above did their job it was the BOR which was left holding the bag of flaming dog feces Briles left on our front porch.

The BOR was in a position where they placed Baylor University over Baylor Football. The BOR did the best they could do with what Gomer left us.

Thee, you are without doubt the weirdest former player to ever post on this board, bar none. You are a disgrace to your uniform.

And your former coach, Grant Teaff, would probably tell you to just STFU, forever. Go to aggy board. You are so aggy.

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Refresh my memory. How many people were convicted of rape/sexual assault?

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Would you have been OK with your daughter attending one of those "parties"?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/10/06/less-than-percent-rapes-lead-felony-convictions-least-percent-victims-face-emotional-physical-consequences/

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Thee, you are without doubt the weirdest former player to ever post on this board, bar none. You are a disgrace to your uniform.

And your former coach, Grant Teaff, would probably tell you to just STFU, forever. Go to aggy board. You are so aggy.

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What does being a former player have anything to do with posting on a bulletin board full of know nothing geeks? Who cares besides a few pencil necked CAB knee cap busters how weird I am?

You'd be floored at the number of former players that feel exactly like I do.

GT does not talk like that! I've talked with GT about our debacle. He did not tell me anything to do or to change. I am not a member of Pleasantville and you can't do anything about it. You live in the bubble.



Far from reality. Bubble Boys Unite!

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When your BOR utterly fails at a crisis management, implements an "investigation" without documents...then prepares a FOF written by the same BOR..for that BOR...based on no verifiable data that can be independently reviewed, deflects the 90%/campus problem into a football only issue so that the focus in not on them, and you selectively leak/substantiate click bait media statements to the press about allegations that were never remotely close to accurate....you literally open the door to this chaos.

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You are clueless

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Nothing I said wasn't factual.

Yawn....you're not even worth my time. Never have been

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BOR made the right moves. You are gonna be forever butt hurt. Lol

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How can ANYONE believe this? They were a disaster every step of the way and made the entire problem far bigger in the media and against Baylor in general than it ever would've been without them. If you really think they handled this well you're in need of help that nobody can give.

Thee. Your bubble is so huge it floated into college station. Get lost.

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When your BOR utterly fails at a crisis management, implements an "investigation" without documents...then prepares a FOF written by the same BOR..for that BOR...based on no verifiable data that can be independently reviewed, deflects the 90%/campus problem into a football only issue so that the focus in not on them, and you selectively leak/substantiate click bait media statements to the press about allegations that were never remotely close to accurate....you literally open the door to this chaos.

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You are clueless

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Nothing I said wasn't factual.

Yawn....you're not even worth my time. Never have been

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BOR made the right moves. You are gonna be forever butt hurt. Lol

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How can ANYONE believe this? They were a disaster every step of the way and made the entire problem far bigger in the media and against Baylor in general than it ever would've been without them. If you really think they handled this well you're in need of help that nobody can give.

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How would you of handled it? Like the Astros, corporate crisis management is to admit mistakes, fire everyone involved and get out ahead of it all. It is painful for the first year, but the faster you get past it the better for all.

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Would you have been OK with your daughter attending one of those "parties"?

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Nope. But she would have known better. Decisions have consequences even those you make at 19 or 20.

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When your BOR utterly fails at a crisis management, implements an "investigation" without documents...then prepares a FOF written by the same BOR..for that BOR...based on no verifiable data that can be independently reviewed, deflects the 90%/campus problem into a football only issue so that the focus in not on them, and you selectively leak/substantiate click bait media statements to the press about allegations that were never remotely close to accurate....you literally open the door to this chaos.

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You are clueless

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Nothing I said wasn't factual.

Yawn....you're not even worth my time. Never have been

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BOR made the right moves. You are gonna be forever butt hurt. Lol

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How can ANYONE believe this? They were a disaster every step of the way and made the entire problem far bigger in the media and against Baylor in general than it ever would've been without them. If you really think they handled this well you're in need of help that nobody can give.

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How would you of handled it? Like the Astros, corporate crisis management is to admit mistakes, fire everyone involved and get out ahead of it all. It is painful for the first year, but the faster you get past it the better for all.

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Well for starters I'd need to hear the facts. I do know one fact that disagrees with your portrayal above, though, and it's shaped my view of this whole debacle the entire time:

After the Board heard the entire report but before they'd announced anything or decided anything at all I called one that's a friend of mine and asked some questions that this person answered as best they could in mostly generalized terms. My last question:

"Was there any evidence of any sort of purposeful cover-up, at any level, by anyone, of any kind?" (This was in context of the sexual assault allegations.)

This regent answered: "[Krieg] you can tell anyone this: There is no evidence of any sort of purposeful cover-up by anyone at any level." It was said VERY emphatically.

So that being true, you fix the problems and install the missing procedures. If someone should've already done it and failed you can fire them. Announce the truth of failed policies at the university level and implement the correct policies. Manage employees and staff to make sure they follow said policies with very stiff penalties for them if they violate said policies (you know, like not paying them $15 million).

If you want an example of a way to handle things to keep it from being the OTL special for the better part of the year see: OU, MSU, Tennessee, KU, etc. Several of those quietly parted ways with people in similar circumstances to ours. None of them had university leadership openly trashing their schools and former employees of their schools in the media. All of them combined didn't have 10% of the negative media coverage that we did and we only had one person convicted. Our problems weren't worse and they were less athletically focused but yet we're the billboard for sexual assault solely because of the FoF and the subsequent public firings and interviews by some regents. It would be very difficult to handle most of the situation worse than it was handled by the BoR. We'll be tainted for a long time due to the press it generated regardless of what actually happened on campus and that's completely because it was handled the way it was handled.

Agree with you completely. I can not wait until we see what Dunhams case unveils.