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When your BOR utterly fails at a crisis management, implements an "investigation" without documents...then prepares a FOF written by the same BOR..for that BOR...based on no verifiable data that can be independently reviewed, deflects the 90%/campus problem into a football only issue so that the focus in not on them, and you selectively leak/substantiate click bait media statements to the press about allegations that were never remotely close to accurate....you literally open the door to this chaos.

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You are clueless

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Nothing I said wasn't factual.

Yawn....you're not even worth my time. Never have been

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BOR made the right moves. You are gonna be forever butt hurt. Lol

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How can ANYONE believe this? They were a disaster every step of the way and made the entire problem far bigger in the media and against Baylor in general than it ever would've been without them. If you really think they handled this well you're in need of help that nobody can give.

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How would you of handled it? Like the Astros, corporate crisis management is to admit mistakes, fire everyone involved and get out ahead of it all. It is painful for the first year, but the faster you get past it the better for all.

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Well for starters I'd need to hear the facts. I do know one fact that disagrees with your portrayal above, though, and it's shaped my view of this whole debacle the entire time:

After the Board heard the entire report but before they'd announced anything or decided anything at all I called one that's a friend of mine and asked some questions that this person answered as best they could in mostly generalized terms. My last question:

"Was there any evidence of any sort of purposeful cover-up, at any level, by anyone, of any kind?" (This was in context of the sexual assault allegations.)

This regent answered: "[Krieg] you can tell anyone this: There is no evidence of any sort of purposeful cover-up by anyone at any level." It was said VERY emphatically.

So that being true, you fix the problems and install the missing procedures. If someone should've already done it and failed you can fire them. Announce the truth of failed policies at the university level and implement the correct policies. Manage employees and staff to make sure they follow said policies with very stiff penalties for them if they violate said policies (you know, like not paying them $15 million).

If you want an example of a way to handle things to keep it from being the OTL special for the better part of the year see: OU, MSU, Tennessee, KU, etc. Several of those quietly parted ways with people in similar circumstances to ours. None of them had university leadership openly trashing their schools and former employees of their schools in the media. All of them combined didn't have 10% of the negative media coverage that we did and we only had one person convicted. Our problems weren't worse and they were less athletically focused but yet we're the billboard for sexual assault solely because of the FoF and the subsequent public firings and interviews by some regents. It would be very difficult to handle most of the situation worse than it was handled by the BoR. We'll be tainted for a long time due to the press it generated regardless of what actually happened on campus and that's completely because it was handled the way it was handled.

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Appreciate you sharing your feelings in a thoughtful manner. I also believe there was never a cover up. No one was criminal at Baylor, but there were a bunch of amateurs. I also agree that once PH was called in, the strategy was set and had to be seen to completion.

If I remember correctly, in September of 2015 the Baylor law school advised Starr to get an independent investigator. If Starr and the administration had been paying attention prior to 2015, the scandal would not have required PH to investigate. Unfortunately, because everyone was so clueless, it could not be handled internally.

I still think the BOR handled things as best they could in 2016 based on what they got from the PH report. But hey, I am obviously in the minority here.

Dunnam's case seems to be looking like football was scape goates based on news reports of discovery releases. In fact wasn't it in a deposition in this case that a Regent said another Regent actually proposed that the board commit NCAA violations for purposes of framing the football staff there with?

Thee University said:

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NeuroticBear said:

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SATXBear said:

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BOR made the right moves. You are gonna be forever butt hurt. Lol

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No one--even the Briles haters--believes this is a true statement.

BOR displayed historic incompetence in all areas.

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I believe it is a true statement.

The primary fault lies in Ian's lap.

Secondly it fell upon Ken Starr.

Since neither of the above did their job it was the BOR which was left holding the bag of flaming dog feces Briles left on our front porch.

The BOR was in a position where they placed Baylor University over Baylor Football. The BOR did the best they could do with what Gomer left us.

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But that's not "the best they could." It was dishonest. It was a campuswide problem, like it is on many campuses. We could have been a leader. Instead we threw a program under the bus.

Thee University said:

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Refresh my memory. How many people were convicted of rape/sexual assault?

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Would you have been OK with your daughter attending one of those "parties"?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/10/06/less-than-percent-rapes-lead-felony-convictions-least-percent-victims-face-emotional-physical-consequences/

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Compost

In the time the ncaa has been investigating baylor, they opened and closed a case against Michigan St without leveling any infractions. If they couldn't find any infractions in a couple decades of the school protecting a sexual predator, they shouldn't be able to find any against Baylor. There are huge moral failings by Baylor in these cases, and civil litigation is ongoing, but none of that means there were ncaa infractions.

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Thee University said:

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NeuroticBear said:

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BOR made the right moves. You are gonna be forever butt hurt. Lol

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No one--even the Briles haters--believes this is a true statement.

BOR displayed historic incompetence in all areas.

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I believe it is a true statement.

The primary fault lies in Ian's lap.

Secondly it fell upon Ken Starr.

Since neither of the above did their job it was the BOR which was left holding the bag of flaming dog feces Briles left on our front porch.

The BOR was in a position where they placed Baylor University over Baylor Football. The BOR did the best they could do with what Gomer left us.

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But that's not "the best they could." It was dishonest. It was a campuswide problem, like it is on many campuses. We could have been a leader. Instead we threw a program under the bus.

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You obviously have not been around Baylor very long have you?

Threw the program under the bus? That program showed a tendency even before the crowning blow to do just about whatever they wanted to do. They threw themselves under the bus!

This happens when you have a very weak AD, a President who was detached and win-starved alumni basking in the new found W column.

Only two prosecutions.....one conviction. Facts are facts.

Go Coach Grande! It's a new day. Sic'em.

At this point, who cares? Our leadership handled this horribly. They threw the reputation of our school to the media wolves and continued to throw gas on the fire. Maybe two years off from football might be enough for Baylor Alumni to finally make a real effort for real change regarding the Baylor Board of Regents.

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I think the fact that Aranda was fully apprised of the situation and still agreed to take the job is a good sign. Aranda's stock was very high....there would be no reason for him to take a gamble on taking a job at a school that was about to get hammered.

The fact that he took the job leads me to believe that the expected sanctions will be tolerable and not program wrecking.

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1. Baylor trying to land season ticket holder commitments as fast and as early as possible, with the lure of "early-commitment" frozen pricing before prices rise post-incentive period.
2. Plus, the longest contract commitment to a first year head coach in conference history.

Those facts could actually lead one to believe the opposite. Perhaps 1 or 2 year sanctions of some sort coming. Just say'n....there other viewpoints to predict what's coming.

Sic'em

They never fired Reagan Ramsower, who was the top administrator over campus safety. He should have been the first to go.

Thee University said:

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EvilTroyAndAbed said:

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Thee University said:

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NeuroticBear said:

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SATXBear said:

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BOR made the right moves. You are gonna be forever butt hurt. Lol

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No one--even the Briles haters--believes this is a true statement.

BOR displayed historic incompetence in all areas.

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I believe it is a true statement.

The primary fault lies in Ian's lap.

Secondly it fell upon Ken Starr.

Since neither of the above did their job it was the BOR which was left holding the bag of flaming dog feces Briles left on our front porch.

The BOR was in a position where they placed Baylor University over Baylor Football. The BOR did the best they could do with what Gomer left us.

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But that's not "the best they could." It was dishonest. It was a campuswide problem, like it is on many campuses. We could have been a leader. Instead we threw a program under the bus.

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You obviously have not been around Baylor very long have you?

Threw the program under the bus? That program showed a tendency even before the crowning blow to do just about whatever they wanted to do. They threw themselves under the bus!

This happens when you have a very weak AD, a President who was detached and win-starved alumni basking in the new found W column.

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You're not even talking about my point, which is the BOR buried their heads in the sand about just general sexual activity on campus. They failed to address having a working Title IX office and helping all students and instead said, "No, it's just these black kids who wouldn't be on our campus if it weren't for football." It was always bigger than football.

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Dman said:

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When your BOR utterly fails at a crisis management, implements an "investigation" without documents...then prepares a FOF written by the same BOR..for that BOR...based on no verifiable data that can be independently reviewed, deflects the 90%/campus problem into a football only issue so that the focus in not on them, and you selectively leak/substantiate click bait media statements to the press about allegations that were never remotely close to accurate....you literally open the door to this chaos.

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You are clueless

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Nothing I said wasn't factual.

Yawn....you're not even worth my time. Never have been

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BOR made the right moves. You are gonna be forever butt hurt. Lol

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Literally no way they could have done any worse

The BOR spread unproven allegations, and Never stood up for Baylor. Their timing was pitiful. The only time they showed strength was when they were protecting themselves.

never doubt that the decision not to allow any LBGT-type organization on campus is pure BOR thinking.

And you are criticizing the BOR for this decision? Are you kidding me snowflake? I hope no one with any Baylor authority EVER allows a sanctioned LBGTQ group on campus. Or any other group of deviants.

Krieg said:

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Krieg said:

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Dman said:

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SATXBear said:

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Dman said:

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When your BOR utterly fails at a crisis management, implements an "investigation" without documents...then prepares a FOF written by the same BOR..for that BOR...based on no verifiable data that can be independently reviewed, deflects the 90%/campus problem into a football only issue so that the focus in not on them, and you selectively leak/substantiate click bait media statements to the press about allegations that were never remotely close to accurate....you literally open the door to this chaos.

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You are clueless

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Nothing I said wasn't factual.

Yawn....you're not even worth my time. Never have been

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BOR made the right moves. You are gonna be forever butt hurt. Lol

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How can ANYONE believe this? They were a disaster every step of the way and made the entire problem far bigger in the media and against Baylor in general than it ever would've been without them. If you really think they handled this well you're in need of help that nobody can give.

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How would you of handled it? Like the Astros, corporate crisis management is to admit mistakes, fire everyone involved and get out ahead of it all. It is painful for the first year, but the faster you get past it the better for all.

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Well for starters I'd need to hear the facts. I do know one fact that disagrees with your portrayal above, though, and it's shaped my view of this whole debacle the entire time:

After the Board heard the entire report but before they'd announced anything or decided anything at all I called one that's a friend of mine and asked some questions that this person answered as best they could in mostly generalized terms. My last question:

"Was there any evidence of any sort of purposeful cover-up, at any level, by anyone, of any kind?" (This was in context of the sexual assault allegations.)

This regent answered: "[Krieg] you can tell anyone this: There is no evidence of any sort of purposeful cover-up by anyone at any level." It was said VERY emphatically.

So that being true, you fix the problems and install the missing procedures. If someone should've already done it and failed you can fire them. Announce the truth of failed policies at the university level and implement the correct policies. Manage employees and staff to make sure they follow said policies with very stiff penalties for them if they violate said policies (you know, like not paying them $15 million).

If you want an example of a way to handle things to keep it from being the OTL special for the better part of the year see: OU, MSU, Tennessee, KU, etc. Several of those quietly parted ways with people in similar circumstances to ours. None of them had university leadership openly trashing their schools and former employees of their schools in the media. All of them combined didn't have 10% of the negative media coverage that we did and we only had one person convicted. Our problems weren't worse and they were less athletically focused but yet we're the billboard for sexual assault solely because of the FoF and the subsequent public firings and interviews by some regents. It would be very difficult to handle most of the situation worse than it was handled by the BoR. We'll be tainted for a long time due to the press it generated regardless of what actually happened on campus and that's completely because it was handled the way it was handled.

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Great post.

And yet, the way we handled it left the entire world with the impression that Baylor was chock full of serial rapists and cover up artists.

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Thee University said:

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EvilTroyAndAbed said:

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Thee University said:

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NeuroticBear said:

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SATXBear said:

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BOR made the right moves. You are gonna be forever butt hurt. Lol

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No one--even the Briles haters--believes this is a true statement.

BOR displayed historic incompetence in all areas.

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I believe it is a true statement.

The primary fault lies in Ian's lap.

Secondly it fell upon Ken Starr.

Since neither of the above did their job it was the BOR which was left holding the bag of flaming dog feces Briles left on our front porch.

The BOR was in a position where they placed Baylor University over Baylor Football. The BOR did the best they could do with what Gomer left us.

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But that's not "the best they could." It was dishonest. It was a campuswide problem, like it is on many campuses. We could have been a leader. Instead we threw a program under the bus.

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You obviously have not been around Baylor very long have you?

Threw the program under the bus? That program showed a tendency even before the crowning blow to do just about whatever they wanted to do. They threw themselves under the bus!

This happens when you have a very weak AD, a President who was detached and win-starved alumni basking in the new found W column.

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You're not even talking about my point, which is the BOR buried their heads in the sand about just general sexual activity on campus. They failed to address having a working Title IX office and helping all students and instead said, "No, it's just these black kids who wouldn't be on our campus if it weren't for football." It was always bigger than football.

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No it was not. I guarantee you that the campus problem seldom entered anybody's mind. It was all about the football problem. The campus collateral damage was acceptable to the majority here and on the other board.

We had a 'bounty" on our heads nationally largely for winning over the bluebloods but ignited by an arrogant and reckless program that brayed like donkeys that we belonged in the final four just for beating up on a weak Big 12 conference and a convent lineup of weak sisters.

Baylor has buried her head in the sand for years.

If Art's chosen bad apple second and third chancers had never gotten caught 99% of you would never cared about this campus problem.

Bigger than football????? Surely you jest!

Hey, Thee. Art left 4 years ago. We won 11 games with a different coach already, and look forward to more of the same. Wake up Rip Van Winkle.

Thee University said:

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EvilTroyAndAbed said:

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Thee University said:

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EvilTroyAndAbed said:

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Thee University said:

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NeuroticBear said:

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SATXBear said:

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BOR made the right moves. You are gonna be forever butt hurt. Lol

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No one--even the Briles haters--believes this is a true statement.

BOR displayed historic incompetence in all areas.

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I believe it is a true statement.

The primary fault lies in Ian's lap.

Secondly it fell upon Ken Starr.

Since neither of the above did their job it was the BOR which was left holding the bag of flaming dog feces Briles left on our front porch.

The BOR was in a position where they placed Baylor University over Baylor Football. The BOR did the best they could do with what Gomer left us.

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But that's not "the best they could." It was dishonest. It was a campuswide problem, like it is on many campuses. We could have been a leader. Instead we threw a program under the bus.

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You obviously have not been around Baylor very long have you?

Threw the program under the bus? That program showed a tendency even before the crowning blow to do just about whatever they wanted to do. They threw themselves under the bus!

This happens when you have a very weak AD, a President who was detached and win-starved alumni basking in the new found W column.

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You're not even talking about my point, which is the BOR buried their heads in the sand about just general sexual activity on campus. They failed to address having a working Title IX office and helping all students and instead said, "No, it's just these black kids who wouldn't be on our campus if it weren't for football." It was always bigger than football.

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No it was not. I guarantee you that the campus problem seldom entered anybody's mind. It was all about the football problem. The campus collateral damage was acceptable to the majority here and on the other board.

We had a 'bounty" on our heads nationally largely for winning over the bluebloods but ignited by an arrogant and reckless program that brayed like donkeys that we belonged in the final four just for beating up on a weak Big 12 conference and a convent lineup of weak sisters.

Baylor has buried her head in the sand for years.

If Art's chosen bad apple second and third chancers had never gotten caught 99% of you would never cared about this campus problem.

Bigger than football????? Surely you jest!

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Thee,

Why exactly did not one of these women come out prior to the time that Art turned down an offer from UT in late 2013?

If these "bad apples" were so bad, then why were they wanted by other programs, such as UT-Austin?

Hey, don't you live in the Austin area and have some friends in that program?

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Hey, Thee. Art left 4 years ago. We won 11 games with a different coach I criticized every second of every day, and look forward to more of the same. Wake up Rip Van Winkle.

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FIFY

My post has been changed. I said we won 11 games with a different coach, and we plan on doing that going forward.

Totally pumped about a new Head Coach we can all trust. Sic'em Coach Grande.

Could JBBear be a Liar? Surely not.

I like Coach Aranda, I think he will do fine.

but we need to give him some time, there could be hiccups in the first few seasons.

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Hey, Thee. Art left 4 years ago. We won 11 games with a different coach already, and look forward to more of the same. Wake up Rip Van Winkle.

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Not quite right there Timmy. Art was FIRED 1,356 days ago.

For as long as knuckleheads post erroneous attempts at revising history, I am here to correct them. The gnashing of teeth and self-flagellation is strong here Timmy. I'm helping people out of their stupor!

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Thee University said:

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EvilTroyAndAbed said:

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Thee University said:

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EvilTroyAndAbed said:

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Thee University said:

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NeuroticBear said:

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SATXBear said:

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BOR made the right moves. You are gonna be forever butt hurt. Lol

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No one--even the Briles haters--believes this is a true statement.

BOR displayed historic incompetence in all areas.

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I believe it is a true statement.

The primary fault lies in Ian's lap.

Secondly it fell upon Ken Starr.

Since neither of the above did their job it was the BOR which was left holding the bag of flaming dog feces Briles left on our front porch.

The BOR was in a position where they placed Baylor University over Baylor Football. The BOR did the best they could do with what Gomer left us.

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But that's not "the best they could." It was dishonest. It was a campuswide problem, like it is on many campuses. We could have been a leader. Instead we threw a program under the bus.

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You obviously have not been around Baylor very long have you?

Threw the program under the bus? That program showed a tendency even before the crowning blow to do just about whatever they wanted to do. They threw themselves under the bus!

This happens when you have a very weak AD, a President who was detached and win-starved alumni basking in the new found W column.

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You're not even talking about my point, which is the BOR buried their heads in the sand about just general sexual activity on campus. They failed to address having a working Title IX office and helping all students and instead said, "No, it's just these black kids who wouldn't be on our campus if it weren't for football." It was always bigger than football.

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No it was not. I guarantee you that the campus problem seldom entered anybody's mind. It was all about the football problem. The campus collateral damage was acceptable to the majority here and on the other board.

We had a 'bounty" on our heads nationally largely for winning over the bluebloods but ignited by an arrogant and reckless program that brayed like donkeys that we belonged in the final four just for beating up on a weak Big 12 conference and a convent lineup of weak sisters.

Baylor has buried her head in the sand for years.

If Art's chosen bad apple second and third chancers had never gotten caught 99% of you would never cared about this campus problem.

Bigger than football????? Surely you jest!

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Thee,

Why exactly did not one of these women come out prior to the time that Art turned down an offer from UT in late 2013?

If these "bad apples" were so bad, then why were they wanted by other programs, such as UT-Austin?

Hey, don't you live in the Austin area and have some friends in that program?

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Exactly you would have to ask the women assaulted. I read that it is common for victims of sexual assault to wait some time before telling someone. When the person was assaulted, he or she may wait years or decades. The reasons for this are numerous: victims may want to deny the fact that someone they trusted could do this to them; they may want to just put it behind them; they may believe the myth that they caused the assault by their behavior; or they may fear how other people will react to the truth.

Why were they wanted by other programs? Do I seriously have to answer that one???? W's my friend. At just about any cost. Particularly when you have a weak AD and a weaker President. Winning college football does funny things to folks. Paqrticularly alumni that have been dawg-drilled for years prior.

Yes. I moved north and became a Yankee about 2 years ago. The stench of Austin is strong here when the wind blows from the SE. I do have a few friends in the UT program. Yes I do.

Thee has to have Briles threads in order to have something to comment on. Briles is the only reason he posts anything. No football analysis, no critic or comment on Coach Grande and the great staff and future of Baylor football. Thee needs Art Briles.

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Thee has to have Briles threads in order to have something to comment on. Briles is the only reason he posts anything. No football analysis, no critic or comment on Coach Grande and the great staff and future of Baylor football. Thee needs Art Briles.

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Nice try poindexter.

Briles is a favorite subject due to the overall harm he did to MY program that I helped build up. I actually have skin in the game. Not you. When false posts appear concerning him or others, I sometimes jump in to correct the BS.

I let Rhule do his thing and while it was a travesty to watch a 1-11 unfold, I knew you could not judge his program by one season alone. Rhule did the right things the right way.

Coach Aranda does not listen to bulletin board banter. Everyone is an "expert" here. Even you!

Art would have been wise to listen to me though. For several years I forewarned you boys about our glaring deficits in DISCIPLINE, DEFENSE & SPECIAL TEAMS. The first 2 in particular brought the house of cards down. It was a no brainer for anyone who had played at the highest levels. We saw this coming.

Aranda was my choice for Baylor DC back before Art hired his buddy, The Aggie. I posted it on BF.

If you have a question for me or would like some analysis from me just ask.

I don't need nor want Briles. He is right where he deserves today. I do hope he learned a lesson and gets a head job somewhere.

In the meantime I am ecstatic that we have Coach Aranda and his professional staff on board. It is a great time to be a Baylor Bear!

Thee, alias Lard butt (since he loves name calling) responded to the dog whistle.

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I like Coach Aranda, I think he will do fine.

but we need to give him some time, there could be hiccups in the first few seasons.

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Like Rhule, he should get a Mulligan for his first season (if it's bad). I'd expect significant improvement year 2.

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Thee, alias Lard butt (since he loves name calling) responded to the dog whistle.

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Always. It's entertainment. Does poindexter not fit you? I'm just going on what I heard about you.

I'll put my % of body fat up against yours any day.

Thee University said:

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Briles is a favorite subject due to the overall harm he did to MY program that I helped build up. ...

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The program you helped build up was long gone before Briles ever got on campus. Killed and buried by the firm of Roberts, Steele & Morriss, TLP.

You would lose that bet , Thee. Your in shape days are long gone.I guess you're a fat head, not a pencil neck. (Thee loves name calling)

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TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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I like Coach Aranda, I think he will do fine.

but we need to give him some time, there could be hiccups in the first few seasons.

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Like Rhule, he should get a Mulligan for his first season (if it's bad). I'd expect significant improvement year 2.

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Absolutely..