What's in a name?

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BearlyBeloved
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What's the benefit of CDA's giving specialty names to linebackers: Jack, Will, Mike and Star
yet not for other positions on defense?

And once it's decided to use special names, do those labels have any significance? For example, Mike could refer to the tiger mascot that LSU keeps.

Griz
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Weakside, strongside and middle. jack can be multiple positions.
BearlyBeloved
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But what is the benefit of using those terms? And why not for linemen, safeties, etc.?
Mr Tulip
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In ancient times, when we mostly used a 4-3-4 alignment, everyone spoke more or less the same language. You knew about defensive tackles, ends, strong, middle, and weak linebackers, corners, and free and strong safeties.

Nowadays, the further you get from the DL, the more exotic things get. In a 4-DL set, you can use 2 "true" LBs and one hybrid - either part LB and part safety, or part LB and part DE. Likewise, your secondary can employ 2 CBs covering the outermost receivers, and then any number of safety/cornerback combination players. He could be a CB with short area pass coverage duties who's spun down to run force like a safety.

The duties and responsibilities changing mean most DCs now create new-ish terms for those "non-traditional" roles on a defense. What one coordinator calls a "jack" might be a "will" or "spur" to another.

With wider alignments and more complex decision trees by the offense, defensive coordinators have to place a premium on athleticism. Getting strong, fast guys on the field while still respecting the easiest play in football strains the old terminology.
historian
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"A rose by any other name would smell just as sweet." William Shakespeare
“Incline my heart to your testimonies, and not to selfish gain!”
Psalm 119:36
Waco1947
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But why? Was he great LB? Who is Mill and is Star names for someone of possibly initials?
Waco1947 ,la
Reverend
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Reverend
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Will, Mike , jack etc. Traditional names for linebackers ( mostly) have changed. I wish I knew what they all meant. I've only been watching football for 60+ years.
BearlyBeloved
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At one time didn't we have a "BearBacker" position?
robby44
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Traditional 4-3 defenses have always called the LBs
Mike, Will and Sam
3-4 sets may call the outside backers a name like Tiger or jack or whatever
That position CDA calls Jack we called Rover back in the day.
These names are helpful in setting the defense and letting the DL know where weak and strong backer is aligned
gold rewards
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I thought it was "Wild Bear".
robby44
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Reverend said:

Will, Mike , jack etc. Traditional names for linebackers ( mostly) have changed. I wish I knew what they all meant. I've only been watching football for 60+ years.


Normally Mike is middle linebacker
Sam is strong side
Will is weak side
Those names have changed over the years but it's the same concept
Mainly those names are so your defensive front can know where the alignment is set. So if the DE hears Sam call out "sam right ( or left)" then he knows he is lined up to the strong side of the offensive formation
historian
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gold rewards said:

I thought it was "Wild Bear".
That's on offense: when someone other than the QB takes a snap. Anyone can call it a "wildcat"; we call it Wild Bear.

For reference, watch the 2015 RAB. The full game, 75 minute version, & 24 minute version:







Why the 2015 RAB is one of the best coaching jobs EVER (I know this will trigger a few people, just buck it up):



Note who the HC is for NC.
“Incline my heart to your testimonies, and not to selfish gain!”
Psalm 119:36
Brian Ethridge
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robby44 said:

Reverend said:

Will, Mike , jack etc. Traditional names for linebackers ( mostly) have changed. I wish I knew what they all meant. I've only been watching football for 60+ years.


Normally Mike is middle linebacker
Sam is strong side
Will is weak side
Those names have changed over the years but it's the same concept
Mainly those names are so your defensive front can know where the alignment is set. So if the DE hears Sam call out "sam right ( or left)" then he knows he is lined up to the strong side of the offensive formation


Will run Mike, Will, Star, and Jack with Jack and Star having some coverage and pass rush responsibility. You'd have been great at JACK
robby44
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Brian Ethridge said:

robby44 said:

Reverend said:

Will, Mike , jack etc. Traditional names for linebackers ( mostly) have changed. I wish I knew what they all meant. I've only been watching football for 60+ years.


Normally Mike is middle linebacker
Sam is strong side
Will is weak side
Those names have changed over the years but it's the same concept
Mainly those names are so your defensive front can know where the alignment is set. So if the DE hears Sam call out "sam right ( or left)" then he knows he is lined up to the strong side of the offensive formation


Will run Mike, Will, Star, and Jack with Jack and Star having some coverage and pass rush responsibility. You'd have been great at JACK

So the Jack is basically the outside backer?
Is this the position they had KLavon in at LSU?

The defense was very impressive at LSU and I'm excited about what our guys will do in it
TheBigStretch
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Jack - Is sort of a "hybrid." He can rush the quarterback or play the run with a hand down, just as an defensive end would; he can do the same standing up, just as an outside linebacker would; he can drop into coverage from the end or linebacker spots.

Star - Is sort of a hybrid safety/linebacker role with a wide array of responsibilities. They can cover or play down in the box as a linebacker.
BearlyBeloved
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Jack I can accept.

But don't use Jill.
Aliceinbubbleland
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BearlyBeloved said:

Jack I can accept.

But don't use Jill.

Let's see how the season goes first
Brian Ethridge
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robby44 said:

Brian Ethridge said:

robby44 said:

Reverend said:

Will, Mike , jack etc. Traditional names for linebackers ( mostly) have changed. I wish I knew what they all meant. I've only been watching football for 60+ years.


Normally Mike is middle linebacker
Sam is strong side
Will is weak side
Those names have changed over the years but it's the same concept
Mainly those names are so your defensive front can know where the alignment is set. So if the DE hears Sam call out "sam right ( or left)" then he knows he is lined up to the strong side of the offensive formation


Will run Mike, Will, Star, and Jack with Jack and Star having some coverage and pass rush responsibility. You'd have been great at JACK

So the Jack is basically the outside backer?
Is this the position they had KLavon in at LSU?

The defense was very impressive at LSU and I'm excited about what our guys will do in it


Yes. Same here. Likely some bumps early with no spring practice, but got some guys that can run
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