#Breaking: After the Big 12 meeting today, #Houston is no longer part of the conversations. The teams that remain in conversation are #Cincy, #BYU, #Memphis, #UCF, and #BoiseState. #Big12 #CFB @TheAthleticCFB

— Tim Shepherd (@TimShep_) August 31, 2021

That was quick, and, if true, that apparently leaves Cincinnati, BYU, Memphis, UCF, and Boise State in the running. From that group, BYU and Cincinnati would likely be the most valuable to a media partner.

Someone explain why Houston is out and Boise is in the running. Boise is a mistake in my book.

PartyBear said:

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Someone explain why Houston is out and Boise is in the running. Boise is a mistake in my book.

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If we bring in BYU then Boise makes more sense

clubhi said:

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PartyBear said:

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Someone explain why Houston is out and Boise is in the running. Boise is a mistake in my book.

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If we bring in BYU then Boise makes more sense

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Boise makes no sense at all in terms of academics, foot print etc. If BYU wants to be P5 they just have to realize their conference mates are East of them.

Look at the source.

Do you think that UT might use one of its pet mouthpieces to stir dissension at every turn?

Does playing games sound like Cow U?

PartyBear said:

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Someone explain why Houston is out and Boise is in the running. Boise is a mistake in my book.

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Because with Tech, TCU and Baylor already in Texas we don't need another Texas school in the Big 12. Boise being out West could potentially brings eyeballs to the table and would be a partner for BYU if we took them. I personally only would want BYU and Cincy right now but I do understand why Boise is being looked at.

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clubhi said:

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PartyBear said:

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Someone explain why Houston is out and Boise is in the running. Boise is a mistake in my book.

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If we bring in BYU then Boise makes more sense

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Boise makes no sense at all in terms of academics,

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I'm not sure the Big 12 is focused on expanding their research portfolio right now

clubhi said:

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PartyBear said:

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clubhi said:

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PartyBear said:

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Someone explain why Houston is out and Boise is in the running. Boise is a mistake in my book.

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If we bring in BYU then Boise makes more sense

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Boise makes no sense at all in terms of academics,

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I'm not sure the Big 12 is focused on expanding their research portfolio right now

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If they are looking at Boise at this point they arent focused on expanding much anyway right now. The no brainer is Cincy and BYU right now. If we are expanding to to 16 in 2-3 years and we are just at a point of trying to get anyone to take the 16th slot, then looking at Boise is reasonable at that time. Not now for God' sake.

Maybe Boise St brings in eyeballs,without much competition, from the Idaho, North and South Dakota, Wyoming area of US. No NFL competition and other area Universities in Non P5 conferences. Beautiful country. Population is growing.

Aberzombie1892 said:

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#Breaking: After the Big 12 meeting today, #Houston is no longer part of the conversations. The teams that remain in conversation are #Cincy, #BYU, #Memphis, #UCF, and #BoiseState. #Big12 #CFB @TheAthleticCFB

— Tim Shepherd (@TimShep_) August 31, 2021

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cougar king & HitCoog, either of y'all care to comment?

There's also the Houston side. It could be that the back channel communication (you're essentially proposing that these schools divorce their current conferences - you don't do that out loud and official-like) says that Houston doesn't want to trash their stable deal and take on the risk of joining the Big 12.

It's all good identifying what's good for the Big 12. The proposed school also has to see value as well.

PartyBear said:

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clubhi said:

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PartyBear said:

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Someone explain why Houston is out and Boise is in the running. Boise is a mistake in my book.

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If we bring in BYU then Boise makes more sense

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Boise makes no sense at all in terms of academics, foot print etc. If BYU wants to be P5 they just have to realize their conference mates are East of them.

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In addition to having the best football program of all those available, Boise (when accompanied by BYU) would also provide a second school in the Mountain time zone, opening up the 9 p.m. Saturday time slot for the Big 12. Having that type of flexibility will help us with our next TV contract.

If we want to play games from 9- midnight central time (not sure why we would I thought the Pac didnt like having that issue) couldnt we just schedule kick offs for 9 pm. Additionally who will tune in that late or from 10 pm to 1 am in the eastern time zone to watch one of the 8 face off with Boise. Serious question. What is the TV value of this?

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There's also the Houston side. It could be that the back channel communication (you're essentially proposing that these schools divorce their current conferences - you don't do that out loud and official-like) says that Houston doesn't want to trash their stable deal and take on the risk of joining the Big 12.

It's all good identifying what's good for the Big 12. The proposed school also has to see value as well.

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How stable will Houston's situation in the AAC be if Cincy, UCF and potentially Memphis leave for the Big 12?

I fully expect BYU (and the corresponding BYU network) to be enough of a headache that Cincinnati and UCF get the call up in the short term, then the presidents watch the lay of the land for the next few years to see if there are any more seismic shifts.

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If we want to play games from 9- midnight central time (not sure why we would I thought the Pac didnt like having that issue) couldnt we just schedule kick offs for 9 pm.

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We don't schedule kickoff times. Our TV partners do. They have to see value in it. And any added value for them is added value for us. That's why creative start times are going to have to be on the table for the Big 12 in the next round of negotiations. We're trying to provide valuable inventory for our TV partners when they need it.

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I fully expect BYU (and the corresponding BYU network) to be enough of a headache that Cincinnati and UCF get the call up in the short term, then the presidents watch the lay of the land for the next few years to see if there are any more seismic shifts.

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Cincy and UCF have both managed to get the ABC Saturday evening prime time slot in the past couple of years it should be noted. I think Memphis has pulled a prime time ESPN slot as well during this time period. Doing that as G5s is not bad.

Not saying the info is false, but that original tweet is from an unverified account that only has 700 followers. None of his followers are big sports media names either.

Are we seeing this about houston from anywhere else?

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If we want to play games from 9- midnight central time (not sure why we would I thought the Pac didnt like having that issue) couldnt we just schedule kick offs for 9 pm.

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We don't schedule kickoff times. Our TV partners do. They have to see value in it. And any added value for them is added value for us. That's why creative start times are going to have to be on the table for the Big 12 in the next round of negotiations. We're trying to provide valuable inventory for our TV partners when they need it.

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What I mean is if TV wants XII games kicking off at 10 pm ET/ 9 pm CT, there doesnt have to be a mountain time zone team playing to do that or a team west of the central time zone in the conference to do that.

This was his take earlier when UT/OU left. I don't think anyone else was expecting the remaining teams to be on the SEC radar

Regarding the other teams remaining in the #Big12 , you would think that the other remaining P5 conferences are racing to find these teams homes before the #SEC or a certain conference scoops them all up. #CFB

— Tim Shepherd (@TimShep_) August 17, 2021

NEWS: Hearing there is strong traction that #OKST #Baylor #Kansas and #ISU will all move to #Big10 following the move of Oklahoma and Texas to the #SEC. #CFB @RedditCFB

Blog will be updated later this afternoon following conference call with Jim Stevenson.

— Tim Shepherd (@TimShep_) August 12, 2021

My top 4 for the Big 12 would be:
BYU (national brand, good in football/bb)
UCF (massive school, potential)
Houston (huge investments in football and hoops. Can play with the big boys)
Cincy (works for both sports and conf footprint)

— Mike Vernon (@M_Vernon) August 30, 2021

Suspect source based on past info

Boise is interesting, but why not UNLV? Bigger market, better academics, easier to get to plus Vegas baby, Vegas!

No more TX schools. It's not fair, but if everything was fair Texas who can rarely win more than 7 games wouldn't be in the SEC

PartyBear said:

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If we want to play games from 9- midnight central time (not sure why we would I thought the Pac didnt like having that issue) couldnt we just schedule kick offs for 9 pm.

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We don't schedule kickoff times. Our TV partners do. They have to see value in it. And any added value for them is added value for us. That's why creative start times are going to have to be on the table for the Big 12 in the next round of negotiations. We're trying to provide valuable inventory for our TV partners when they need it.

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What I mean is if TV wants XII games kicking off at 10 pm ET/ 9 pm CT, there doesnt have to be a mountain time zone team playing to do that or a team west of the central time zone in the conference to do that.

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There doesn't have to be. But people are far more likely to watch that game of it's starting at 7 or 8 locally for at least one of the teams involved.

vanillabryce said:

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Suspect source based on past info

Boise is interesting, but why not UNLV? Bigger market, better academics, easier to get to plus Vegas baby, Vegas!

No more TX schools. It's not fair, but if everything was fair Texas who can rarely win more than 7 games wouldn't be in the SEC

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Easy...they now have the Raiders...

vanillabryce said:

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Suspect source based on past info

Boise is interesting, but why not UNLV? Bigger market, better academics, easier to get to plus Vegas baby, Vegas!

No more TX schools. It's not fair, but if everything was fair Texas who can rarely win more than 7 games wouldn't be in the SEC

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Unfortunately for UNLV, they've never made the commitment necessary to compete at a high level. If they can't win at a high level in the Mountain West, they're not going to do so in the Big 12. And we need teams that can come in and compete immediately.

vanillabryce said:

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Suspect source based on past info

Boise is interesting, but why not UNLV? Bigger market, better academics, easier to get to plus Vegas baby, Vegas!

No more TX schools. It's not fair, but if everything was fair Texas who can rarely win more than 7 games wouldn't be in the SEC

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Yep. That guy's full of ***** I think the six legitimate candidates are BYU, Cincy, UCF, Boise, Houston and Memphis, with Colorado State and San Diego State as remote possibilities if we wanted to go to 16.

I'm not as optimistic about remaining a power conference if we are adding Boise now. That is about a strategic as remaining at 8 right now.

I'm willing to bet the candidate list is more expansive than five teams considering there's reasonable traction behind the idea of expanding all the way to 14.

This Houston blocking nonsense is so short-sided. Bring them in so we can have four Texas teams split between two divisions.

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I'm willing to bet the candidate list is more expansive than five teams considering there's reasonable traction behind the idea of expanding all the way to 14.

This Houston blocking nonsense is so short-sided. Bring them in so we can have four Texas teams split between two divisions.

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It is a mistake at this time to fill up to 14 with current G5 teams. Note I said "at this time" we may have no choice 2-3 years down the road. But we may still have better options not far down the road.

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Suspect source based on past info

Boise is interesting, but why not UNLV? Bigger market, better academics, easier to get to plus Vegas baby, Vegas!

No more TX schools. It's not fair, but if everything was fair Texas who can rarely win more than 7 games wouldn't be in the SEC

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Yep. That guy's full of ***** I think the six legitimate candidates are BYU, Cincy, UCF, Boise, Houston and Memphis, with Colorado State and San Diego State as remote possibilities if we wanted to go to 16.

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Yeah, even Colorado State might make more sense than Boise. Not that CSU is good at football, but the Denver market is huge.

I keep hearing it's about money, so to this layman CSU would bring more eyeballs, thus $$$

vanillabryce said:

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bear2be2 said:

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vanillabryce said:

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Suspect source based on past info

Boise is interesting, but why not UNLV? Bigger market, better academics, easier to get to plus Vegas baby, Vegas!

No more TX schools. It's not fair, but if everything was fair Texas who can rarely win more than 7 games wouldn't be in the SEC

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Yep. That guy's full of ***** I think the six legitimate candidates are BYU, Cincy, UCF, Boise, Houston and Memphis, with Colorado State and San Diego State as remote possibilities if we wanted to go to 16.

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Yeah, even Colorado State might make more sense than Boise. Not that CSU is good at football, but the Denver market is huge.

I keep hearing it's about money, so to this layman CSU would bring more eyeballs, thus $$$

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The problem is they don't bring more eyeballs now as members of the same conference. Boise State is a better football brand and a bigger TV draw. None of these brands draw viewers (even regionally) on name alone. But people tune in for fun football and important games. Boise brings both. Colorado State brings neither currently, though it has the potential to be better than it currently is.

I think you are way, way over stating Boise. The Texas 3 would have benefitted the Pac more than Boise would benefit the XII and the Texas 3 we both agree would not have done much for the Pac. It is hard for me to be able to continue to rationalize this as having a good outcome for us we are already considering Boise.

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If we want to play games from 9- midnight central time (not sure why we would I thought the Pac didnt like having that issue) couldnt we just schedule kick offs for 9 pm. Additionally who will tune in that late or from 10 pm to 1 am in the eastern time zone to watch one of the 8 face off with Boise. Serious question. What is the TV value of this?

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Boise is in the same time zone as BYU.

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I think you are way over stating Boise. The Texas 3 would have benefitted the Pac more than Boise would benefit the XII and the Texas 3 we both agree would not have done much for the Pac.

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This assumes the Big 12 and PAC-12 are starting on equal footing and after the same things in expansion candidates. Neither is true.

The Big 12 is far more desperate than the PAC-12 was and has no name brands available to it. Its best path to relevancy is to stabilize through/rebrand around on-field competition. Boise makes sense for that.

Cincy is way better than Boise. They almost made the play off and more importantly regarding eyes they have had prime time nationally televised games on one of the big 3 over the last 3 years. Same with UCF actually and I recall Memphis having one, not including an AAC championship game against Cincy, over that time period.

The XII's number one goal is to survive as a P5 and that is doable with the right moves and I dont see many being advocated on this thread.