Dennis Dodd (@dennisdoddcbs) of @CBSSports is reporting that the American Athletic Conference is targeting UAB and a host of Mountain West Conference schools as it looks reload after losing teams to the Big 12.https://t.co/LcQkbargcx

— Brett Vito (@brettvito) September 16, 2021

If I was the AAC i would add Coastal, Appy St and Liberty. Those 3 are as good or better than anyone else in their league.

Thought this was interesting.

" Big 12 executives are also watching closely as the Pac-12 negotiates a new TV deal in 2024 when its current agreement with Fox and ESPN expires. If the Pac-12 media rights revenue approximates that of the Big 12 at that time, there is a feeling within the Big 12 some Pac-12 schools might be interested in joining."

CoogMan17 said:

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Thought this was interesting.

" Big 12 executives are also watching closely as the Pac-12 negotiates a new TV deal in 2024 when its current agreement with Fox and ESPN expires. If the Pac-12 media rights revenue approximates that of the Big 12 at that time, there is a feeling within the Big 12 some Pac-12 schools might be interested in joining."

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That's some wishful thinking.

Aberzombie1892 said:

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CoogMan17 said:

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Thought this was interesting.

" Big 12 executives are also watching closely as the Pac-12 negotiates a new TV deal in 2024 when its current agreement with Fox and ESPN expires. If the Pac-12 media rights revenue approximates that of the Big 12 at that time, there is a feeling within the Big 12 some Pac-12 schools might be interested in joining."

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That's some wishful thinking.

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Agreed, but it probably makes sense to hold a handful of spots for the easternmost PAC-12 schools just in case. The others you'd add to bolster the league (a list topped by Memphis and Boise) will still be there most likely after the PAC-12 signs its TV deal and renders that discussion moot.

Aberzombie1892 said:

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CoogMan17 said:

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Thought this was interesting.

" Big 12 executives are also watching closely as the Pac-12 negotiates a new TV deal in 2024 when its current agreement with Fox and ESPN expires. If the Pac-12 media rights revenue approximates that of the Big 12 at that time, there is a feeling within the Big 12 some Pac-12 schools might be interested in joining."

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That's some wishful thinking.

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Actually, it isn't.

The Pac-12 is really only dealing with west coast. The money is not going to be as high or will not go up much with no new teams and the west coast time constraint.

The Big 12 has a national brand now with the addition of a school from Florida and Utah. They are able to be across a lot of the US for a lot of their games. I could see some of those Pac-12 schools wanting a piece of that pie.

(I would like to see the Arizona schools come over to the Big 12, and maybe even get Colorado back.)

I think it's only wishful thinking if we believe we are going to get a team who really moves the needle. And by "really moves the needle," I mean someone with a national or near national brand like Washington, Oregon, or one of the California schools. But it's not totally far fetched to envision a world a where the Arizona schools and Colorado or Utah decide that, all things considered, the Big 12 makes more sense for them. I'm not saying that it's going to happen or that I even believe the Big 12 is a better fit for them, but I wouldn't say it's totally out of the realm of possibility that we could be at that place in a few years. Particularly if USC and Oregon start to flirt with the B1G or something like that once the "Alliance" inevitably fails and turns out to be a whole big pile of nothing.

Yeah, but in the real world, these PAC-12 negotiations mentioned in the article will be dynamic, not static, and will include a lot of "what about's", as in the network putting out their initial offer, then the PAC-12 starting in with "what about if we did this, or did that"?, or "what about if we added 2, 4, or 6 more teams? how many do you guys think would be the "right number", and which schools would you think would work the best for an expanded PAC-12? "What about any suggested changes to the PAC-12 Network"?

If after all that, the network's final offer is still weak sauce, then you might see some PAC-12 defections. But if the network(s), in their "negotiations" essentially gave the PAC-12 a road map to a bigger payout, they would more than likely follow it, which would likely involve expansion as part of that. If they were to decide to add some teams, those teams would know ahead of time what was coming down the pike and would probably give the Big-12 their two weeks notice, long before the Big-12 would be able to poach some disgruntled PAC-12 teams.

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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CoogMan17 said:

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Thought this was interesting.

" Big 12 executives are also watching closely as the Pac-12 negotiates a new TV deal in 2024 when its current agreement with Fox and ESPN expires. If the Pac-12 media rights revenue approximates that of the Big 12 at that time, there is a feeling within the Big 12 some Pac-12 schools might be interested in joining."

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That's some wishful thinking.

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Actually, it isn't.

The Pac-12 is really only dealing with west coast. The money is not going to be as high or will not go up much with no new teams and the west coast time constraint.

The Big 12 has a national brand now with the addition of a school from Florida and Utah. They are able to be across a lot of the US for a lot of their games. I could see some of those Pac-12 schools wanting a piece of that pie.

(I would like to see the Arizona schools come over to the Big 12, and maybe even get Colorado back.)

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Using any combination of metrics that are consistent (i.e. not trying to translate G5 performances to the P5), the PAC12 has more valuable teams than the Big 12, and no one is really disputing that USC, UCLA, Washington and Oregon are each almost universally considered to be more valuable than any program in the new look Big 12. If that is in fact the case, then there is no realistic scenario where the two conferences will be looking at similar media payouts once the new PAC12 and new look Big 12 deals are completed.

The new look Big12 is already a stronger brand than the Pac12, now fast forward a few years and it will far more apparent. I'd love to poach the Arizona schools, Colorado and Utah and think we can in a few years when the TV contracts are renewed.

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The new look Big12 is already a stronger brand than the Pac12, now fast forward a few years and it will far more apparent. I'd love to poach the Arizona schools, Colorado and Utah and think we can in a few years when the TV contracts are renewed.

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Stronger brand according to what metric? Collecting G5 teams (and BYU) when no one else wanted them does not automatically make a brand stronger.

According to the Pac trollers the PAC is going to take a few XII schools in couple of years just not Baylor lol! Which is it no one wants anyone in the XII therefore the PAC is superior or there is valuable stuff in the XII just not Baylor. Lol

I think this is all funny because the PAC is likely threatened with instability more than the XII is now.

The Pac and the B1G have long standing ties that may save the Pac by changing their scheduling. More non-conference games to allow for more matchups with B1G opponents (and some ACC).

Or.... some of the Pac may still be targeted by the B1G if the B1G starts to feel like the SEC model is going to demonstrably produce better network contracts and cause a break from the NCAA.

In case anybody is wondering, Conference USA confirms to me that their current bylaws stipulate that any member who intends to leave must provide a minimum of 14 months advanced notice and is responsible for two years of conference distribution.

— Matt Brown (@MattBrownEP) September 16, 2021

CoogMan17 said:

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Thought this was interesting.

" Big 12 executives are also watching closely as the Pac-12 negotiates a new TV deal in 2024 when its current agreement with Fox and ESPN expires. If the Pac-12 media rights revenue approximates that of the Big 12 at that time, there is a feeling within the Big 12 some Pac-12 schools might be interested in joining."

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That would be hilarious if the PAC snubbed adding Big 12 school or merging completely in in 2021 then in 2024 some PAC schools leave for the Big 12...

Wolf 359 said:

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Yeah, but in the real world, these PAC-12 negotiations mentioned in the article will be dynamic, not static, and will include a lot of "what about's", as in the network putting out their initial offer, then the PAC-12 starting in with "what about if we did this, or did that"?, or "what about if we added 2, 4, or 6 more teams? how many do you guys think would be the "right number", and which schools would you think would work the best for an expanded PAC-12? "What about any suggested changes to the PAC-12 Network"?

If after all that, the network's final offer is still weak sauce, then you might see some PAC-12 defections. But if the network(s), in their "negotiations" essentially gave the PAC-12 a road map to a bigger payout, they would more than likely follow it, which would likely involve expansion as part of that. If they were to decide to add some teams, those teams would know ahead of time what was coming down the pike and would probably give the Big-12 their two weeks notice, long before the Big-12 would be able to poach some disgruntled PAC-12 teams.

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This makes sense. We need to polish up our resume and be prepared for that pac 12 invitation! This is the type of forward thinking that I expect our administration to share.