Chuckroast said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Chuckroast said:

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bear2be2 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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BellCountyBear said:

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Geez, what a tired narrative re: Gonzaga. Russia collusion!!

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What narrative is that? That Gonzaga is really good?

Gonzaga has made the tournament 22 straight times, has advanced to at least the round of 32 every year since 2009, has reached at least the Sweet Sixteen every year since 2015 and has played in two national title games since 2017.

This board's hard-on for Gonzaga is really, really strange.

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Schedule.

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They play the best schedule they can. They don't choose what conference they're in. All they can do is load up the nonconference schedule, which they do every year.

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No doubt Gonzaga is good, but I think they are getting the benefit of a higher seed than they may actually deserve in some years simply due to their gaudy record. As we all know, a high seed makes the path to the sweet 16 a whole lot easier.

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There's not another team in the nation that has been to the Sweet 16 or deeper in the last six held tournaments. Plenty of others get high seeds annually.

Duke is the one other program that could have matched Gonzaga's run, and they missed the tournament entirely last year.

Kansas, which has had the same number of No. 1 seeds as Gonzaga since the 2014-15 season has been bounced in the round of 32 twice.

There's just no good argument to be made that Gonzaga has been overseeded. Unless we want to say that every team that gets the same seeds is overseeded.

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Well, take this year for example. Gonzaga was good (not great) in the preseason. They beat UCLA, who has since shown they aren't as good as thought. They beat Texas, who has shown they aren't as good as thought. And they beat Texas tech, who is a great team now but has gotten better as the year has gone on. They also lost to Alabama and Duke. Those five games are pretty much similar to big 12 competition, and they went 3-2.

All they had to do from there was run the table in their own conference, and then they get a one seed. To advance to the sweet 16 call all they will have to do is beat an eight or nine seed (or even a lower seed if there is an upset, which is fairly typical in the tournament). There are A multitude of teams that can advance to the sweet 16 with that seeding. It's not a big accomplishment for a 1 or 2 seed to make it to the Sweet 16, and not making it would be a big surprise and a disappointment.

I think Gonzaga will be a big mystery in the tournament this year because they will be handed a 1 seed without the track record that many other teams with worse seeding will have.

I think they would be a 45 loss team in the big 12 or SEC - still good, but they'll be given the easier road to start the NCAA tournament that many other good teams won't have.

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Running the table isn't as easy as many here think -- even in a crappy conference. As good and dominant as Gonzaga has been over the past two decades, they've only gone unbeaten in league play five times (this year could be six).

In basketball, it's hard not to lay an egg in any 16-plus game sample.

Assuming Gonzaga has a good nonconference resume, and they do this again this year, I think it's fair to make perfection in the WCC the threshold for a No. 1 seed. A) They have no control over their conference schedule. B) You can't punish a team for winning games. And C) It will all work itself out in the tournament.

bear2be2 said:

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Chuckroast said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Chuckroast said:

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bear2be2 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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BellCountyBear said:

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Geez, what a tired narrative re: Gonzaga. Russia collusion!!

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What narrative is that? That Gonzaga is really good?

Gonzaga has made the tournament 22 straight times, has advanced to at least the round of 32 every year since 2009, has reached at least the Sweet Sixteen every year since 2015 and has played in two national title games since 2017.

This board's hard-on for Gonzaga is really, really strange.

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Schedule.

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They play the best schedule they can. They don't choose what conference they're in. All they can do is load up the nonconference schedule, which they do every year.

---

No doubt Gonzaga is good, but I think they are getting the benefit of a higher seed than they may actually deserve in some years simply due to their gaudy record. As we all know, a high seed makes the path to the sweet 16 a whole lot easier.

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There's not another team in the nation that has been to the Sweet 16 or deeper in the last six held tournaments. Plenty of others get high seeds annually.

Duke is the one other program that could have matched Gonzaga's run, and they missed the tournament entirely last year.

Kansas, which has had the same number of No. 1 seeds as Gonzaga since the 2014-15 season has been bounced in the round of 32 twice.

There's just no good argument to be made that Gonzaga has been overseeded. Unless we want to say that every team that gets the same seeds is overseeded.

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Well, take this year for example. Gonzaga was good (not great) in the preseason. They beat UCLA, who has since shown they aren't as good as thought. They beat Texas, who has shown they aren't as good as thought. And they beat Texas tech, who is a great team now but has gotten better as the year has gone on. They also lost to Alabama and Duke. Those five games are pretty much similar to big 12 competition, and they went 3-2.

All they had to do from there was run the table in their own conference, and then they get a one seed. To advance to the sweet 16 call all they will have to do is beat an eight or nine seed (or even a lower seed if there is an upset, which is fairly typical in the tournament). There are A multitude of teams that can advance to the sweet 16 with that seeding. It's not a big accomplishment for a 1 or 2 seed to make it to the Sweet 16, and not making it would be a big surprise and a disappointment.

I think Gonzaga will be a big mystery in the tournament this year because they will be handed a 1 seed without the track record that many other teams with worse seeding will have.

I think they would be a 45 loss team in the big 12 or SEC - still good, but they'll be given the easier road to start the NCAA tournament that many other good teams won't have.

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Running the table isn't as easy as many here think -- even in a crappy conference. As good and dominant as Gonzaga has been over the past two decades, they've only gone unbeaten in league play five times (this year could be six).

In basketball, it's hard not to lay an egg in any 16-plus game sample.

Assuming Gonzaga has a good nonconference resume, and they do this again this year, I think it's fair to make perfection in the WCC the threshold for a No. 1 seed. A) They have no control over their conference schedule. B) You can't punish a team for winning games. And C) It will all work itself out in the tournament.

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Hey, coach has a DUI. They're solid......

BobWillis said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Chuckroast said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Chuckroast said:

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bear2be2 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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BellCountyBear said:

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Geez, what a tired narrative re: Gonzaga. Russia collusion!!

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What narrative is that? That Gonzaga is really good?

Gonzaga has made the tournament 22 straight times, has advanced to at least the round of 32 every year since 2009, has reached at least the Sweet Sixteen every year since 2015 and has played in two national title games since 2017.

This board's hard-on for Gonzaga is really, really strange.

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Schedule.

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They play the best schedule they can. They don't choose what conference they're in. All they can do is load up the nonconference schedule, which they do every year.

---

No doubt Gonzaga is good, but I think they are getting the benefit of a higher seed than they may actually deserve in some years simply due to their gaudy record. As we all know, a high seed makes the path to the sweet 16 a whole lot easier.

---

There's not another team in the nation that has been to the Sweet 16 or deeper in the last six held tournaments. Plenty of others get high seeds annually.

Duke is the one other program that could have matched Gonzaga's run, and they missed the tournament entirely last year.

Kansas, which has had the same number of No. 1 seeds as Gonzaga since the 2014-15 season has been bounced in the round of 32 twice.

There's just no good argument to be made that Gonzaga has been overseeded. Unless we want to say that every team that gets the same seeds is overseeded.

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Well, take this year for example. Gonzaga was good (not great) in the preseason. They beat UCLA, who has since shown they aren't as good as thought. They beat Texas, who has shown they aren't as good as thought. And they beat Texas tech, who is a great team now but has gotten better as the year has gone on. They also lost to Alabama and Duke. Those five games are pretty much similar to big 12 competition, and they went 3-2.

All they had to do from there was run the table in their own conference, and then they get a one seed. To advance to the sweet 16 call all they will have to do is beat an eight or nine seed (or even a lower seed if there is an upset, which is fairly typical in the tournament). There are A multitude of teams that can advance to the sweet 16 with that seeding. It's not a big accomplishment for a 1 or 2 seed to make it to the Sweet 16, and not making it would be a big surprise and a disappointment.

I think Gonzaga will be a big mystery in the tournament this year because they will be handed a 1 seed without the track record that many other teams with worse seeding will have.

I think they would be a 45 loss team in the big 12 or SEC - still good, but they'll be given the easier road to start the NCAA tournament that many other good teams won't have.

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Running the table isn't as easy as many here think -- even in a crappy conference. As good and dominant as Gonzaga has been over the past two decades, they've only gone unbeaten in league play five times (this year could be six).

In basketball, it's hard not to lay an egg in any 16-plus game sample.

Assuming Gonzaga has a good nonconference resume, and they do this again this year, I think it's fair to make perfection in the WCC the threshold for a No. 1 seed. A) They have no control over their conference schedule. B) You can't punish a team for winning games. And C) It will all work itself out in the tournament.

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Hey, coach has a DUI. They're solid......

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This, kids, is what we call a non sequitur.

bear2be2 said:

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Method Man said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Method Man said:

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bear2be2 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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BellCountyBear said:

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Geez, what a tired narrative re: Gonzaga. Russia collusion!!

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What narrative is that? That Gonzaga is really good?

Gonzaga has made the tournament 22 straight times, has advanced to at least the round of 32 every year since 2009, has reached at least the Sweet Sixteen every year since 2015 and has played in two national title games since 2017.

This board's hard-on for Gonzaga is really, really strange.

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Schedule.

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They play the best schedule they can. They don't choose what conference they're in. All they can do is load up the nonconference schedule, which they do every year.

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https://sports.betmgm.com/en/blog/college-basketball-ncaa-tournament-quadrant-1-wins/

Gonzaga has 9 wins over Quad 1 and 2 teams....we have 14.
At this point in the season 9 isn't that many.

Gonzaga plays cupcakes for 3 months and in turn gets an inflated seeding in the NCAA tournament. During that 3 months when they are killing teams with no NBA talent the media inflates how good they actually are.

The media does this because they are desperate to promote a West Coast version of Duke.

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This is a really tired, and frankly stupid argument. If their seeding was inflated, it would show in the tournament. Instead, Gonzaga has the best tournament record of any team in the country for going on a decade now.

And nine wins over Quad 1 and 2 teams is the same number Duke has and one fewer than Kentucky, and no one *****es about their schedules.

Gonzaga plays one of the best nonconference schedules in the country every year, wins most of those games, and then goes to the tournament in March and gets to the Sweet 16 in "bad" years. This idea that that program is somehow overrated is beyond silly.

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Bear2BE,

Frankly......

What we get tired of is people like you sucking Gonzaga's d****.

I could go on and on...but I'm not. The media is very complicit in overhyping Gonzaga because of the type of players they recruit.

College basketball teams typically aren't that great in November and December. Big difference playing good non conference teams in November than it is in February or March.

Elite teams in the BIG East and Conference USA teams play much harder schedules than Gonzaga.
Gonzaga overall record, and thus seeding is always inflated by the lack of opponent they play for three months.

I wouldn't really care....until I have to listen to the media tell me this program (with zero national titles and 2 Final Fours) is the best thing since sliced bread.

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Ignorance is bliss, I guess.

The suggestion that a team with Gonzaga's nonconference and tournament record over the past decade-plus is overrated is idiotic.

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Dude....your holier than thou act gets old quickly...and I'm one that normally likes most of your posts.
What's up with the personal insults???????

I'd like to think you are better than that.....maybe not.

Yes, Gonzaga is overrated by people exactly like yourself.
Gonzaga is nothing more than an above average college basketball program. That's it.

They are not early 90's Duke, present day Alabama football, or USC under Pete Carroll.

The media is extremely complicit in overhyping their basketball program, and making the average person believe that Gonzaga is worlds better than everyone else because they recruit white guys and black guys from the suburbs. [There I said it]

I've gone back and reread this thread, and no one has said that Gonzaga sucks.
Do you think we would have all these injuries if we played in the West Coast Conference?....or is it a gigantic advantage when you don't have to play anyone for three months, and thus your starters don't have to play as many minutes.

Less minutes means less wear and tear on your top players and less injuries.

EvilTroyAndAbed said:

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Method Man said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Method Man said:

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bear2be2 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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BellCountyBear said:

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Geez, what a tired narrative re: Gonzaga. Russia collusion!!

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What narrative is that? That Gonzaga is really good?

Gonzaga has made the tournament 22 straight times, has advanced to at least the round of 32 every year since 2009, has reached at least the Sweet Sixteen every year since 2015 and has played in two national title games since 2017.

This board's hard-on for Gonzaga is really, really strange.

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Schedule.

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They play the best schedule they can. They don't choose what conference they're in. All they can do is load up the nonconference schedule, which they do every year.

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https://sports.betmgm.com/en/blog/college-basketball-ncaa-tournament-quadrant-1-wins/

Gonzaga has 9 wins over Quad 1 and 2 teams....we have 14.
At this point in the season 9 isn't that many.

Gonzaga plays cupcakes for 3 months and in turn gets an inflated seeding in the NCAA tournament. During that 3 months when they are killing teams with no NBA talent the media inflates how good they actually are.

The media does this because they are desperate to promote a West Coast version of Duke.

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This is a really tired, and frankly stupid argument. If their seeding was inflated, it would show in the tournament. Instead, Gonzaga has the best tournament record of any team in the country for going on a decade now.

And nine wins over Quad 1 and 2 teams is the same number Duke has and one fewer than Kentucky, and no one *****es about their schedules.

Gonzaga plays one of the best nonconference schedules in the country every year, wins most of those games, and then goes to the tournament in March and gets to the Sweet 16 in "bad" years. This idea that that program is somehow overrated is beyond silly.

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Bear2BE,

Frankly......

What we get tired of is people like you sucking Gonzaga's d****.

I could go on and on...but I'm not. The media is very complicit in overhyping Gonzaga because of the type of players they recruit.

College basketball teams typically aren't that great in November and December. Big difference playing good non conference teams in November than it is in February or March.

Elite teams in the BIG East and Conference USA teams play much harder schedules than Gonzaga.
Gonzaga overall record, and thus seeding is always inflated by the lack of opponents they play for three months.

I wouldn't really care....until I have to listen to the media tell me this program (with zero national titles and 2 Final Fours) is the best thing since sliced bread.

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Actually they have two championship games. You're literally discounting two semifinal wins over the best teams in the nation.

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Okay. I still don't see any championships.

I rejoined this board after the natty. I'm not sure if you all realize this, but there was an entire segment of the basketball fan population that was overjoyed when we kicked Gonzaga's ass.

I was in Phoenix right after the Championship game, and person after person was coming up to me and congratulating me when they saw my Baylor shirt.

For many basketball fans it gets very old listening to how Gonzaga plays the "right way" and how they play "smart" and they are better than other "undisciplined" teams.

FYI....these were all the reasons why we supposedly stood no shot against the greatest college basketball team of all time last April. I knew we were going to win because Gonzaga did not have the defense to stop our offense.
Their defensive ratings looked better than what they really were because of the lesser competition.

Lots of bird whistling going on, and it sounds exactly like when Duke had Grant Hill, Hurley and Laettner.

Difference between Duke and Gonzaga was that the ACC was a monster of a conference. Gonzaga is typically running nobodies off the court, and then folding in the tournament once they start playing teams that have the athletes to play elite defense.

As another poster stated...if you get a 1 or 2 seed its not that big of a deal to beat a 16 seed and then an 8/9 seed to make it to the Sweet 16.

Method Man said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Method Man said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Method Man said:

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bear2be2 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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BellCountyBear said:

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Geez, what a tired narrative re: Gonzaga. Russia collusion!!

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What narrative is that? That Gonzaga is really good?

Gonzaga has made the tournament 22 straight times, has advanced to at least the round of 32 every year since 2009, has reached at least the Sweet Sixteen every year since 2015 and has played in two national title games since 2017.

This board's hard-on for Gonzaga is really, really strange.

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Schedule.

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They play the best schedule they can. They don't choose what conference they're in. All they can do is load up the nonconference schedule, which they do every year.

---

https://sports.betmgm.com/en/blog/college-basketball-ncaa-tournament-quadrant-1-wins/

Gonzaga has 9 wins over Quad 1 and 2 teams....we have 14.
At this point in the season 9 isn't that many.

Gonzaga plays cupcakes for 3 months and in turn gets an inflated seeding in the NCAA tournament. During that 3 months when they are killing teams with no NBA talent the media inflates how good they actually are.

The media does this because they are desperate to promote a West Coast version of Duke.

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This is a really tired, and frankly stupid argument. If their seeding was inflated, it would show in the tournament. Instead, Gonzaga has the best tournament record of any team in the country for going on a decade now.

And nine wins over Quad 1 and 2 teams is the same number Duke has and one fewer than Kentucky, and no one *****es about their schedules.

Gonzaga plays one of the best nonconference schedules in the country every year, wins most of those games, and then goes to the tournament in March and gets to the Sweet 16 in "bad" years. This idea that that program is somehow overrated is beyond silly.

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Bear2BE,

Frankly......

What we get tired of is people like you sucking Gonzaga's d****.

I could go on and on...but I'm not. The media is very complicit in overhyping Gonzaga because of the type of players they recruit.

College basketball teams typically aren't that great in November and December. Big difference playing good non conference teams in November than it is in February or March.

Elite teams in the BIG East and Conference USA teams play much harder schedules than Gonzaga.
Gonzaga overall record, and thus seeding is always inflated by the lack of opponent they play for three months.

I wouldn't really care....until I have to listen to the media tell me this program (with zero national titles and 2 Final Fours) is the best thing since sliced bread.

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Ignorance is bliss, I guess.

The suggestion that a team with Gonzaga's nonconference and tournament record over the past decade-plus is overrated is idiotic.

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Dude....your holier than thou act gets old quickly...and I'm one that normally likes most of your posts.
What's up with the personal insults???????

I'd like to think you are better than that.....maybe not.

Yes, Gonzaga is overrated by people exactly like yourself.
Gonzaga is nothing more than an above average college basketball program. That's it.

They are not early 90's Duke, present day Alabama football, or USC under Pete Carroll.

The media is extremely complicit in overhyping their basketball program, and making the average person believe that Gonzaga is worlds better than everyone else because they recruit white guys and black guys from the suburbs. [There I said it]

I've gone back and reread this thread, and no one has said that Gonzaga sucks.
Do you think we would have all these injuries if we played in the West Coast Conference?....or is it a gigantic advantage when you don't have to play anyone for three months, and thus your starters don't have to play as many minutes.

Less minutes means less wear and tear on your top players and less injuries.

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... An "above average college basketball program" that has been more consistently successful than any other program in the country over the past nine years? OK.

You have an obvious bias here that is clouding your judgment.

You don't have to believe that Gonzaga is the greatest program in the history of college basketball to acknowledge that they are currently one of the nation's best. It's indisputable.

Method Man said:

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EvilTroyAndAbed said:

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Method Man said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Method Man said:

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bear2be2 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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BellCountyBear said:

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Geez, what a tired narrative re: Gonzaga. Russia collusion!!

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What narrative is that? That Gonzaga is really good?

Gonzaga has made the tournament 22 straight times, has advanced to at least the round of 32 every year since 2009, has reached at least the Sweet Sixteen every year since 2015 and has played in two national title games since 2017.

This board's hard-on for Gonzaga is really, really strange.

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Schedule.

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They play the best schedule they can. They don't choose what conference they're in. All they can do is load up the nonconference schedule, which they do every year.

---

https://sports.betmgm.com/en/blog/college-basketball-ncaa-tournament-quadrant-1-wins/

Gonzaga has 9 wins over Quad 1 and 2 teams....we have 14.
At this point in the season 9 isn't that many.

Gonzaga plays cupcakes for 3 months and in turn gets an inflated seeding in the NCAA tournament. During that 3 months when they are killing teams with no NBA talent the media inflates how good they actually are.

The media does this because they are desperate to promote a West Coast version of Duke.

---

This is a really tired, and frankly stupid argument. If their seeding was inflated, it would show in the tournament. Instead, Gonzaga has the best tournament record of any team in the country for going on a decade now.

And nine wins over Quad 1 and 2 teams is the same number Duke has and one fewer than Kentucky, and no one *****es about their schedules.

Gonzaga plays one of the best nonconference schedules in the country every year, wins most of those games, and then goes to the tournament in March and gets to the Sweet 16 in "bad" years. This idea that that program is somehow overrated is beyond silly.

---

Bear2BE,

Frankly......

What we get tired of is people like you sucking Gonzaga's d****.

I could go on and on...but I'm not. The media is very complicit in overhyping Gonzaga because of the type of players they recruit.

College basketball teams typically aren't that great in November and December. Big difference playing good non conference teams in November than it is in February or March.

Elite teams in the BIG East and Conference USA teams play much harder schedules than Gonzaga.
Gonzaga overall record, and thus seeding is always inflated by the lack of opponents they play for three months.

I wouldn't really care....until I have to listen to the media tell me this program (with zero national titles and 2 Final Fours) is the best thing since sliced bread.

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Actually they have two championship games. You're literally discounting two semifinal wins over the best teams in the nation.

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Okay. I still don't see any championships.

I rejoined this board after the natty. I'm not sure if you all realize this, but there was an entire segment of the basketball fan population that was overjoyed when we kicked Gonzaga's ass.

I was in Phoenix right after the Championship game, and person after person was coming up to me and congratulating me when they saw my Baylor shirt.

For many basketball fans it gets very old listening to how Gonzaga plays the "right way" and how they play "smart" and they are better than other "undisciplined" teams.

FYI....these were all the reasons why we supposedly stood no shot against the greatest college basketball team of all time last April. I knew we were going to win because Gonzaga did not have the defense to stop our offense.
Their defensive ratings looked better than what they really were because of the lesser competition.

Lots of bird whistling going on, and it sounds exactly like when Duke had Grant Hill, Hurley and Laettner.

Difference between Duke and Gonzaga was that the ACC was a monster of a conference. Gonzaga is typically running nobodies off the court, and then folding in the tournament once they start playing teams that have the athletes to play elite defense.

As another poster stated...if you get a 1 or 2 seed its not that big of a deal to beat a 16 seed and then an 8/9 seed to make it to the Sweet 16.

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First, the Sweet 16 is Gonzaga's low-water mark since 2014-15. They've made it past that round in four of their last six trips to the tournament.

Second, if it's "not that big of a deal," why are they the only team in the country that has done it?

So are you arguing that our championship should be devalued because we beat a team that, in your eyes, should have been ranked 30th instead of 1st?

bear2be2 said:

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Method Man said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Method Man said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Method Man said:

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bear2be2 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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BellCountyBear said:

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Geez, what a tired narrative re: Gonzaga. Russia collusion!!

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What narrative is that? That Gonzaga is really good?

Gonzaga has made the tournament 22 straight times, has advanced to at least the round of 32 every year since 2009, has reached at least the Sweet Sixteen every year since 2015 and has played in two national title games since 2017.

This board's hard-on for Gonzaga is really, really strange.

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Schedule.

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They play the best schedule they can. They don't choose what conference they're in. All they can do is load up the nonconference schedule, which they do every year.

---

https://sports.betmgm.com/en/blog/college-basketball-ncaa-tournament-quadrant-1-wins/

Gonzaga has 9 wins over Quad 1 and 2 teams....we have 14.
At this point in the season 9 isn't that many.

Gonzaga plays cupcakes for 3 months and in turn gets an inflated seeding in the NCAA tournament. During that 3 months when they are killing teams with no NBA talent the media inflates how good they actually are.

The media does this because they are desperate to promote a West Coast version of Duke.

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This is a really tired, and frankly stupid argument. If their seeding was inflated, it would show in the tournament. Instead, Gonzaga has the best tournament record of any team in the country for going on a decade now.

And nine wins over Quad 1 and 2 teams is the same number Duke has and one fewer than Kentucky, and no one *****es about their schedules.

Gonzaga plays one of the best nonconference schedules in the country every year, wins most of those games, and then goes to the tournament in March and gets to the Sweet 16 in "bad" years. This idea that that program is somehow overrated is beyond silly.

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Bear2BE,

Frankly......

What we get tired of is people like you sucking Gonzaga's d****.

I could go on and on...but I'm not. The media is very complicit in overhyping Gonzaga because of the type of players they recruit.

College basketball teams typically aren't that great in November and December. Big difference playing good non conference teams in November than it is in February or March.

Elite teams in the BIG East and Conference USA teams play much harder schedules than Gonzaga.
Gonzaga overall record, and thus seeding is always inflated by the lack of opponent they play for three months.

I wouldn't really care....until I have to listen to the media tell me this program (with zero national titles and 2 Final Fours) is the best thing since sliced bread.

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Ignorance is bliss, I guess.

The suggestion that a team with Gonzaga's nonconference and tournament record over the past decade-plus is overrated is idiotic.

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Dude....your holier than thou act gets old quickly...and I'm one that normally likes most of your posts.
What's up with the personal insults???????

I'd like to think you are better than that.....maybe not.

Yes, Gonzaga is overrated by people exactly like yourself.
Gonzaga is nothing more than an above average college basketball program. That's it.

They are not early 90's Duke, present day Alabama football, or USC under Pete Carroll.

The media is extremely complicit in overhyping their basketball program, and making the average person believe that Gonzaga is worlds better than everyone else because they recruit white guys and black guys from the suburbs. [There I said it]

I've gone back and reread this thread, and no one has said that Gonzaga sucks.
Do you think we would have all these injuries if we played in the West Coast Conference?....or is it a gigantic advantage when you don't have to play anyone for three months, and thus your starters don't have to play as many minutes.

Less minutes means less wear and tear on your top players and less injuries.

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... An "above average college basketball program" that has been more consistently successful than any other program in the country over the past nine years? OK.

You have an obvious bias here that is clouding your judgment.

You don't have to believe that Gonzaga is the greatest program in the history of college basketball to acknowledge that they are currently one of the nation's best. It's indisputable.

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Sorry friend, but the only "obvious bias" you are experiencing in here is your own. What I've seen on this site in my brief time here thus far is your continual aptitude to belligerently argue your opinions/points/conclusions with anyone with a differing opinion than yours. Stands out. Just take it easy and let this be a dialog site. It isn't a courtroom of law.

Sorry

BobWillis said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Method Man said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Method Man said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Method Man said:

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bear2be2 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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BellCountyBear said:

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Geez, what a tired narrative re: Gonzaga. Russia collusion!!

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What narrative is that? That Gonzaga is really good?

Gonzaga has made the tournament 22 straight times, has advanced to at least the round of 32 every year since 2009, has reached at least the Sweet Sixteen every year since 2015 and has played in two national title games since 2017.

This board's hard-on for Gonzaga is really, really strange.

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Schedule.

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They play the best schedule they can. They don't choose what conference they're in. All they can do is load up the nonconference schedule, which they do every year.

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https://sports.betmgm.com/en/blog/college-basketball-ncaa-tournament-quadrant-1-wins/

Gonzaga has 9 wins over Quad 1 and 2 teams....we have 14.
At this point in the season 9 isn't that many.

Gonzaga plays cupcakes for 3 months and in turn gets an inflated seeding in the NCAA tournament. During that 3 months when they are killing teams with no NBA talent the media inflates how good they actually are.

The media does this because they are desperate to promote a West Coast version of Duke.

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This is a really tired, and frankly stupid argument. If their seeding was inflated, it would show in the tournament. Instead, Gonzaga has the best tournament record of any team in the country for going on a decade now.

And nine wins over Quad 1 and 2 teams is the same number Duke has and one fewer than Kentucky, and no one *****es about their schedules.

Gonzaga plays one of the best nonconference schedules in the country every year, wins most of those games, and then goes to the tournament in March and gets to the Sweet 16 in "bad" years. This idea that that program is somehow overrated is beyond silly.

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Bear2BE,

Frankly......

What we get tired of is people like you sucking Gonzaga's d****.

I could go on and on...but I'm not. The media is very complicit in overhyping Gonzaga because of the type of players they recruit.

College basketball teams typically aren't that great in November and December. Big difference playing good non conference teams in November than it is in February or March.

Elite teams in the BIG East and Conference USA teams play much harder schedules than Gonzaga.
Gonzaga overall record, and thus seeding is always inflated by the lack of opponent they play for three months.

I wouldn't really care....until I have to listen to the media tell me this program (with zero national titles and 2 Final Fours) is the best thing since sliced bread.

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Ignorance is bliss, I guess.

The suggestion that a team with Gonzaga's nonconference and tournament record over the past decade-plus is overrated is idiotic.

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Dude....your holier than thou act gets old quickly...and I'm one that normally likes most of your posts.
What's up with the personal insults???????

I'd like to think you are better than that.....maybe not.

Yes, Gonzaga is overrated by people exactly like yourself.
Gonzaga is nothing more than an above average college basketball program. That's it.

They are not early 90's Duke, present day Alabama football, or USC under Pete Carroll.

The media is extremely complicit in overhyping their basketball program, and making the average person believe that Gonzaga is worlds better than everyone else because they recruit white guys and black guys from the suburbs. [There I said it]

I've gone back and reread this thread, and no one has said that Gonzaga sucks.
Do you think we would have all these injuries if we played in the West Coast Conference?....or is it a gigantic advantage when you don't have to play anyone for three months, and thus your starters don't have to play as many minutes.

Less minutes means less wear and tear on your top players and less injuries.

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... An "above average college basketball program" that has been more consistently successful than any other program in the country over the past nine years? OK.

You have an obvious bias here that is clouding your judgment.

You don't have to believe that Gonzaga is the greatest program in the history of college basketball to acknowledge that they are currently one of the nation's best. It's indisputable.

---

Sorry friend, but the only "obvious bias" you are experiencing in here is your own. What I've seen on this site in my brief time here thus far is your continual aptitude to belligerently argue your opinions/points/conclusions with anyone with a differing opinion than yours. Stands out. Just take it easy and let this be a dialog site. It isn't a courtroom of law.

Sorry

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I have no bias toward Gonzaga. I couldn't care less about that program. My opinion of them is based entirely on data.

If Texas, who I abhor, had done the same thing that Gonzaga has in the tournament, I'd be defending them the say way against similar attacks.

What Gonzaga has done the past nine years is objectively impressive. That's why they get the seeds they do and why they're always ranked at or near the top of every schedule-weighted metric that matters.

For those touting Gonzaga's long streak of tournament runs, don't forget that the record for most consecutive Super Bowl appearances belongs not to the Patriots of Belichek/Brady, not to the Niners of Walsh/Montana, not to the Steelers of Noll/Bradshaw, but to the Buffalo Bills.

BobWillis said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Method Man said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Method Man said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Method Man said:

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bear2be2 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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BellCountyBear said:

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Geez, what a tired narrative re: Gonzaga. Russia collusion!!

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What narrative is that? That Gonzaga is really good?

Gonzaga has made the tournament 22 straight times, has advanced to at least the round of 32 every year since 2009, has reached at least the Sweet Sixteen every year since 2015 and has played in two national title games since 2017.

This board's hard-on for Gonzaga is really, really strange.

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Schedule.

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They play the best schedule they can. They don't choose what conference they're in. All they can do is load up the nonconference schedule, which they do every year.

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https://sports.betmgm.com/en/blog/college-basketball-ncaa-tournament-quadrant-1-wins/

Gonzaga has 9 wins over Quad 1 and 2 teams....we have 14.
At this point in the season 9 isn't that many.

Gonzaga plays cupcakes for 3 months and in turn gets an inflated seeding in the NCAA tournament. During that 3 months when they are killing teams with no NBA talent the media inflates how good they actually are.

The media does this because they are desperate to promote a West Coast version of Duke.

---

This is a really tired, and frankly stupid argument. If their seeding was inflated, it would show in the tournament. Instead, Gonzaga has the best tournament record of any team in the country for going on a decade now.

And nine wins over Quad 1 and 2 teams is the same number Duke has and one fewer than Kentucky, and no one *****es about their schedules.

Gonzaga plays one of the best nonconference schedules in the country every year, wins most of those games, and then goes to the tournament in March and gets to the Sweet 16 in "bad" years. This idea that that program is somehow overrated is beyond silly.

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Bear2BE,

Frankly......

What we get tired of is people like you sucking Gonzaga's d****.

I could go on and on...but I'm not. The media is very complicit in overhyping Gonzaga because of the type of players they recruit.

College basketball teams typically aren't that great in November and December. Big difference playing good non conference teams in November than it is in February or March.

Elite teams in the BIG East and Conference USA teams play much harder schedules than Gonzaga.
Gonzaga overall record, and thus seeding is always inflated by the lack of opponent they play for three months.

I wouldn't really care....until I have to listen to the media tell me this program (with zero national titles and 2 Final Fours) is the best thing since sliced bread.

---

Ignorance is bliss, I guess.

The suggestion that a team with Gonzaga's nonconference and tournament record over the past decade-plus is overrated is idiotic.

---

Dude....your holier than thou act gets old quickly...and I'm one that normally likes most of your posts.
What's up with the personal insults???????

I'd like to think you are better than that.....maybe not.

Yes, Gonzaga is overrated by people exactly like yourself.
Gonzaga is nothing more than an above average college basketball program. That's it.

They are not early 90's Duke, present day Alabama football, or USC under Pete Carroll.

The media is extremely complicit in overhyping their basketball program, and making the average person believe that Gonzaga is worlds better than everyone else because they recruit white guys and black guys from the suburbs. [There I said it]

I've gone back and reread this thread, and no one has said that Gonzaga sucks.
Do you think we would have all these injuries if we played in the West Coast Conference?....or is it a gigantic advantage when you don't have to play anyone for three months, and thus your starters don't have to play as many minutes.

Less minutes means less wear and tear on your top players and less injuries.

---

... An "above average college basketball program" that has been more consistently successful than any other program in the country over the past nine years? OK.

You have an obvious bias here that is clouding your judgment.

You don't have to believe that Gonzaga is the greatest program in the history of college basketball to acknowledge that they are currently one of the nation's best. It's indisputable.

---

Sorry friend, but the only "obvious bias" you are experiencing in here is your own. What I've seen on this site in my brief time here thus far is your continual aptitude to belligerently argue your opinions/points/conclusions with anyone with a differing opinion than yours. Stands out. Just take it easy and let this be a dialog site. It isn't a courtroom of law.

Sorry

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This right here 100%

Bear2Be....I don't have to explain to you why I don't like Doug Gotleib, or why the Gonzaga hype gets on my nerves.

You get super arrogant when someone dares to have a different opinion from yours.

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So are you arguing that our championship should be devalued because we beat a team that, in your eyes, should have been ranked 30th instead of 1st?

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*** are you talking about???? If you are going to make a strawman...at least have it make sense.

I see what got some Gonzaga fans/admirers on this site.

and just like the typical Gonzaga fan they get super uptight and almost hostile when you tell them you don't think they are all that.

Method Man said:

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BobWillis said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Method Man said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Method Man said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Method Man said:

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bear2be2 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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BellCountyBear said:

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Geez, what a tired narrative re: Gonzaga. Russia collusion!!

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What narrative is that? That Gonzaga is really good?

Gonzaga has made the tournament 22 straight times, has advanced to at least the round of 32 every year since 2009, has reached at least the Sweet Sixteen every year since 2015 and has played in two national title games since 2017.

This board's hard-on for Gonzaga is really, really strange.

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Schedule.

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They play the best schedule they can. They don't choose what conference they're in. All they can do is load up the nonconference schedule, which they do every year.

---

https://sports.betmgm.com/en/blog/college-basketball-ncaa-tournament-quadrant-1-wins/

Gonzaga has 9 wins over Quad 1 and 2 teams....we have 14.
At this point in the season 9 isn't that many.

Gonzaga plays cupcakes for 3 months and in turn gets an inflated seeding in the NCAA tournament. During that 3 months when they are killing teams with no NBA talent the media inflates how good they actually are.

The media does this because they are desperate to promote a West Coast version of Duke.

---

This is a really tired, and frankly stupid argument. If their seeding was inflated, it would show in the tournament. Instead, Gonzaga has the best tournament record of any team in the country for going on a decade now.

And nine wins over Quad 1 and 2 teams is the same number Duke has and one fewer than Kentucky, and no one *****es about their schedules.

Gonzaga plays one of the best nonconference schedules in the country every year, wins most of those games, and then goes to the tournament in March and gets to the Sweet 16 in "bad" years. This idea that that program is somehow overrated is beyond silly.

---

Bear2BE,

Frankly......

What we get tired of is people like you sucking Gonzaga's d****.

I could go on and on...but I'm not. The media is very complicit in overhyping Gonzaga because of the type of players they recruit.

College basketball teams typically aren't that great in November and December. Big difference playing good non conference teams in November than it is in February or March.

Elite teams in the BIG East and Conference USA teams play much harder schedules than Gonzaga.
Gonzaga overall record, and thus seeding is always inflated by the lack of opponent they play for three months.

I wouldn't really care....until I have to listen to the media tell me this program (with zero national titles and 2 Final Fours) is the best thing since sliced bread.

---

Ignorance is bliss, I guess.

The suggestion that a team with Gonzaga's nonconference and tournament record over the past decade-plus is overrated is idiotic.

---

Dude....your holier than thou act gets old quickly...and I'm one that normally likes most of your posts.
What's up with the personal insults???????

I'd like to think you are better than that.....maybe not.

Yes, Gonzaga is overrated by people exactly like yourself.
Gonzaga is nothing more than an above average college basketball program. That's it.

They are not early 90's Duke, present day Alabama football, or USC under Pete Carroll.

The media is extremely complicit in overhyping their basketball program, and making the average person believe that Gonzaga is worlds better than everyone else because they recruit white guys and black guys from the suburbs. [There I said it]

I've gone back and reread this thread, and no one has said that Gonzaga sucks.
Do you think we would have all these injuries if we played in the West Coast Conference?....or is it a gigantic advantage when you don't have to play anyone for three months, and thus your starters don't have to play as many minutes.

Less minutes means less wear and tear on your top players and less injuries.

---

... An "above average college basketball program" that has been more consistently successful than any other program in the country over the past nine years? OK.

You have an obvious bias here that is clouding your judgment.

You don't have to believe that Gonzaga is the greatest program in the history of college basketball to acknowledge that they are currently one of the nation's best. It's indisputable.

---

Sorry friend, but the only "obvious bias" you are experiencing in here is your own. What I've seen on this site in my brief time here thus far is your continual aptitude to belligerently argue your opinions/points/conclusions with anyone with a differing opinion than yours. Stands out. Just take it easy and let this be a dialog site. It isn't a courtroom of law.

Sorry

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This right here 100%

Bear2Be....I don't have to explain to you why I don't like Doug Gotleib, or why the Gonzaga hype gets on my nerves.

You get super arrogant when someone dares to have a different opinion from yours.

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I'm allowed to disagree with your opinions, particularly those that can't be supported with facts.

And for you to get sanctimonious after claiming I suck Gonzaga's dick is pretty hilarious.

bear2be2 said:

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Method Man said:

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BobWillis said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Method Man said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Method Man said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Method Man said:

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bear2be2 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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BellCountyBear said:

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Geez, what a tired narrative re: Gonzaga. Russia collusion!!

---

What narrative is that? That Gonzaga is really good?

Gonzaga has made the tournament 22 straight times, has advanced to at least the round of 32 every year since 2009, has reached at least the Sweet Sixteen every year since 2015 and has played in two national title games since 2017.

This board's hard-on for Gonzaga is really, really strange.

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Schedule.

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They play the best schedule they can. They don't choose what conference they're in. All they can do is load up the nonconference schedule, which they do every year.

---

https://sports.betmgm.com/en/blog/college-basketball-ncaa-tournament-quadrant-1-wins/

Gonzaga has 9 wins over Quad 1 and 2 teams....we have 14.
At this point in the season 9 isn't that many.

Gonzaga plays cupcakes for 3 months and in turn gets an inflated seeding in the NCAA tournament. During that 3 months when they are killing teams with no NBA talent the media inflates how good they actually are.

The media does this because they are desperate to promote a West Coast version of Duke.

---

This is a really tired, and frankly stupid argument. If their seeding was inflated, it would show in the tournament. Instead, Gonzaga has the best tournament record of any team in the country for going on a decade now.

And nine wins over Quad 1 and 2 teams is the same number Duke has and one fewer than Kentucky, and no one *****es about their schedules.

Gonzaga plays one of the best nonconference schedules in the country every year, wins most of those games, and then goes to the tournament in March and gets to the Sweet 16 in "bad" years. This idea that that program is somehow overrated is beyond silly.

---

Bear2BE,

Frankly......

What we get tired of is people like you sucking Gonzaga's d****.

I could go on and on...but I'm not. The media is very complicit in overhyping Gonzaga because of the type of players they recruit.

College basketball teams typically aren't that great in November and December. Big difference playing good non conference teams in November than it is in February or March.

Elite teams in the BIG East and Conference USA teams play much harder schedules than Gonzaga.
Gonzaga overall record, and thus seeding is always inflated by the lack of opponent they play for three months.

I wouldn't really care....until I have to listen to the media tell me this program (with zero national titles and 2 Final Fours) is the best thing since sliced bread.

---

Ignorance is bliss, I guess.

The suggestion that a team with Gonzaga's nonconference and tournament record over the past decade-plus is overrated is idiotic.

---

Dude....your holier than thou act gets old quickly...and I'm one that normally likes most of your posts.
What's up with the personal insults???????

I'd like to think you are better than that.....maybe not.

Yes, Gonzaga is overrated by people exactly like yourself.
Gonzaga is nothing more than an above average college basketball program. That's it.

They are not early 90's Duke, present day Alabama football, or USC under Pete Carroll.

The media is extremely complicit in overhyping their basketball program, and making the average person believe that Gonzaga is worlds better than everyone else because they recruit white guys and black guys from the suburbs. [There I said it]

I've gone back and reread this thread, and no one has said that Gonzaga sucks.
Do you think we would have all these injuries if we played in the West Coast Conference?....or is it a gigantic advantage when you don't have to play anyone for three months, and thus your starters don't have to play as many minutes.

Less minutes means less wear and tear on your top players and less injuries.

---

... An "above average college basketball program" that has been more consistently successful than any other program in the country over the past nine years? OK.

You have an obvious bias here that is clouding your judgment.

You don't have to believe that Gonzaga is the greatest program in the history of college basketball to acknowledge that they are currently one of the nation's best. It's indisputable.

---

Sorry friend, but the only "obvious bias" you are experiencing in here is your own. What I've seen on this site in my brief time here thus far is your continual aptitude to belligerently argue your opinions/points/conclusions with anyone with a differing opinion than yours. Stands out. Just take it easy and let this be a dialog site. It isn't a courtroom of law.

Sorry

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This right here 100%

Bear2Be....I don't have to explain to you why I don't like Doug Gotleib, or why the Gonzaga hype gets on my nerves.

You get super arrogant when someone dares to have a different opinion from yours.

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I'm allowed to disagree with your opinions, particularly those that can't be supported with facts.

And for you to get sanctimonious after claiming I suck Gonzaga's dick is pretty hilarious.

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This is a really tired, and frankly stupid argument

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There is a saying that states the energy you put out in the world is the energy that comes back at you.

You questions someone's intelligence (just because they dare have a different opinion than yours) and don't be surprised when they clap back at you.
That is a rather condescending remark to someone on a debate board about a team that is not even our Bears.

An elite team (Memphis, Houston...etc) in a lower level conference like Conference USA still plays 3-4 really good teams in conference each season. This equates to at least 6-8 conferences games against above average competition during a typical regular season.

Gonzaga's best opponents during conference play is typically St Mary's, BYU, or Santa Clara. This lack of conference competition is how Gonzaga is able to win 30 games every year.

There is a certain segment of college basketball fans (we have two of them on this thread) that want everyone to bow down to Gonzaga's greatness and recognize that they are "far and away" the best program in college basketball.

There are other people that won't give Gonzaga that type of credit until they make it to more than 2 Final Fours, or actually win the National title.

Method Man said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Method Man said:

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BobWillis said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Method Man said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Method Man said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Method Man said:

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bear2be2 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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BellCountyBear said:

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Geez, what a tired narrative re: Gonzaga. Russia collusion!!

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What narrative is that? That Gonzaga is really good?

Gonzaga has made the tournament 22 straight times, has advanced to at least the round of 32 every year since 2009, has reached at least the Sweet Sixteen every year since 2015 and has played in two national title games since 2017.

This board's hard-on for Gonzaga is really, really strange.

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Schedule.

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They play the best schedule they can. They don't choose what conference they're in. All they can do is load up the nonconference schedule, which they do every year.

---

https://sports.betmgm.com/en/blog/college-basketball-ncaa-tournament-quadrant-1-wins/

Gonzaga has 9 wins over Quad 1 and 2 teams....we have 14.
At this point in the season 9 isn't that many.

Gonzaga plays cupcakes for 3 months and in turn gets an inflated seeding in the NCAA tournament. During that 3 months when they are killing teams with no NBA talent the media inflates how good they actually are.

The media does this because they are desperate to promote a West Coast version of Duke.

---

This is a really tired, and frankly stupid argument. If their seeding was inflated, it would show in the tournament. Instead, Gonzaga has the best tournament record of any team in the country for going on a decade now.

And nine wins over Quad 1 and 2 teams is the same number Duke has and one fewer than Kentucky, and no one *****es about their schedules.

Gonzaga plays one of the best nonconference schedules in the country every year, wins most of those games, and then goes to the tournament in March and gets to the Sweet 16 in "bad" years. This idea that that program is somehow overrated is beyond silly.

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Bear2BE,

Frankly......

What we get tired of is people like you sucking Gonzaga's d****.

I could go on and on...but I'm not. The media is very complicit in overhyping Gonzaga because of the type of players they recruit.

College basketball teams typically aren't that great in November and December. Big difference playing good non conference teams in November than it is in February or March.

Elite teams in the BIG East and Conference USA teams play much harder schedules than Gonzaga.
Gonzaga overall record, and thus seeding is always inflated by the lack of opponent they play for three months.

I wouldn't really care....until I have to listen to the media tell me this program (with zero national titles and 2 Final Fours) is the best thing since sliced bread.

---

Ignorance is bliss, I guess.

The suggestion that a team with Gonzaga's nonconference and tournament record over the past decade-plus is overrated is idiotic.

---

Dude....your holier than thou act gets old quickly...and I'm one that normally likes most of your posts.
What's up with the personal insults???????

I'd like to think you are better than that.....maybe not.

Yes, Gonzaga is overrated by people exactly like yourself.
Gonzaga is nothing more than an above average college basketball program. That's it.

They are not early 90's Duke, present day Alabama football, or USC under Pete Carroll.

The media is extremely complicit in overhyping their basketball program, and making the average person believe that Gonzaga is worlds better than everyone else because they recruit white guys and black guys from the suburbs. [There I said it]

I've gone back and reread this thread, and no one has said that Gonzaga sucks.
Do you think we would have all these injuries if we played in the West Coast Conference?....or is it a gigantic advantage when you don't have to play anyone for three months, and thus your starters don't have to play as many minutes.

Less minutes means less wear and tear on your top players and less injuries.

---

... An "above average college basketball program" that has been more consistently successful than any other program in the country over the past nine years? OK.

You have an obvious bias here that is clouding your judgment.

You don't have to believe that Gonzaga is the greatest program in the history of college basketball to acknowledge that they are currently one of the nation's best. It's indisputable.

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Sorry friend, but the only "obvious bias" you are experiencing in here is your own. What I've seen on this site in my brief time here thus far is your continual aptitude to belligerently argue your opinions/points/conclusions with anyone with a differing opinion than yours. Stands out. Just take it easy and let this be a dialog site. It isn't a courtroom of law.

Sorry

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This right here 100%

Bear2Be....I don't have to explain to you why I don't like Doug Gotleib, or why the Gonzaga hype gets on my nerves.

You get super arrogant when someone dares to have a different opinion from yours.

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I'm allowed to disagree with your opinions, particularly those that can't be supported with facts.

And for you to get sanctimonious after claiming I suck Gonzaga's dick is pretty hilarious.

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Quote:

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This is a really tired, and frankly stupid argument

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There is a saying that states the energy you put out in the world is the energy that comes back at you.

You questions someone's intelligence (just because they dare have a different opinion than yours) and don't be surprised when they clap back at you.
That is a rather condescending remark to someone on a debate board about a team that is not even our Bears.

An elite team (Memphis, Houston...etc) in a lower level conference like Conference USA still plays 3-4 really good teams in conference each season. This equates to at least 6-8 conferences games against above average competition during a typical regular season.

Gonzaga's best opponents during conference play is typically St Mary's, BYU, or Santa Clara. This lack of conference competition is how Gonzaga is able to win 30 games every year.

There is a certain segment of college basketball fans (we have two of them on this thread) that want everyone to bow down to Gonzaga's greatness and recognize that they are "far and away" the best program in college basketball.

There are other people that won't give Gonzaga that type of credit until they make it to more than 2 Final Fours, or actually win the National title.

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Memphis hasn't been "elite" since Calipari left almost a decade and a half ago. And Houston has played three games this season against Quad 1 opponents, losing all three. Gonzaga, meanwhile, is 7-2 in Quad 1 games.

This is what I'm talking about. You're making arguments that don't stand up to any scrutiny whatsoever. If you want most to agree with unresearched nonsense you pull out of your ass, you're probably in the right place. But don't get upset with me when I call out that nonsense for what it is.

Chuckroast said:

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bear2be2 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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BellCountyBear said:

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Geez, what a tired narrative re: Gonzaga. Russia collusion!!

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What narrative is that? That Gonzaga is really good?

Gonzaga has made the tournament 22 straight times, has advanced to at least the round of 32 every year since 2009, has reached at least the Sweet Sixteen every year since 2015 and has played in two national title games since 2017.

This board's hard-on for Gonzaga is really, really strange.

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Schedule.

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They play the best schedule they can. They don't choose what conference they're in. All they can do is load up the nonconference schedule, which they do every year.

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No doubt Gonzaga is good, but I think they are getting the benefit of a higher seed than they may actually deserve in some years simply due to their gaudy record. As we all know, a high seed makes the path to the sweet 16 a whole lot easier.

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Even if that's true they are taking care of business in the second weekend. They've been in several Elite 8s, Final Fours, and TItle games over the past decade or so. I don't buy the overrated thing because they prove it when it counts. And I guarantee you they've had injuries too.

Besides, it's not their fault if they get high seeds and don't play in a power conference. That's why they played teams like UT and Tx Tech among others in non-conference (and went 2-0 against those teams).

I admire the way they've come from having zero notariety 20 years ago to being a blueblood in the game.

bear2be2 said:

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Method Man said:

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EvilTroyAndAbed said:

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Method Man said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Method Man said:

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bear2be2 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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BellCountyBear said:

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Geez, what a tired narrative re: Gonzaga. Russia collusion!!

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What narrative is that? That Gonzaga is really good?

Gonzaga has made the tournament 22 straight times, has advanced to at least the round of 32 every year since 2009, has reached at least the Sweet Sixteen every year since 2015 and has played in two national title games since 2017.

This board's hard-on for Gonzaga is really, really strange.

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Schedule.

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They play the best schedule they can. They don't choose what conference they're in. All they can do is load up the nonconference schedule, which they do every year.

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https://sports.betmgm.com/en/blog/college-basketball-ncaa-tournament-quadrant-1-wins/

Gonzaga has 9 wins over Quad 1 and 2 teams....we have 14.
At this point in the season 9 isn't that many.

Gonzaga plays cupcakes for 3 months and in turn gets an inflated seeding in the NCAA tournament. During that 3 months when they are killing teams with no NBA talent the media inflates how good they actually are.

The media does this because they are desperate to promote a West Coast version of Duke.

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This is a really tired, and frankly stupid argument. If their seeding was inflated, it would show in the tournament. Instead, Gonzaga has the best tournament record of any team in the country for going on a decade now.

And nine wins over Quad 1 and 2 teams is the same number Duke has and one fewer than Kentucky, and no one *****es about their schedules.

Gonzaga plays one of the best nonconference schedules in the country every year, wins most of those games, and then goes to the tournament in March and gets to the Sweet 16 in "bad" years. This idea that that program is somehow overrated is beyond silly.

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Bear2BE,

Frankly......

What we get tired of is people like you sucking Gonzaga's d****.

I could go on and on...but I'm not. The media is very complicit in overhyping Gonzaga because of the type of players they recruit.

College basketball teams typically aren't that great in November and December. Big difference playing good non conference teams in November than it is in February or March.

Elite teams in the BIG East and Conference USA teams play much harder schedules than Gonzaga.
Gonzaga overall record, and thus seeding is always inflated by the lack of opponents they play for three months.

I wouldn't really care....until I have to listen to the media tell me this program (with zero national titles and 2 Final Fours) is the best thing since sliced bread.

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Actually they have two championship games. You're literally discounting two semifinal wins over the best teams in the nation.

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Okay. I still don't see any championships.

I rejoined this board after the natty. I'm not sure if you all realize this, but there was an entire segment of the basketball fan population that was overjoyed when we kicked Gonzaga's ass.

I was in Phoenix right after the Championship game, and person after person was coming up to me and congratulating me when they saw my Baylor shirt.

For many basketball fans it gets very old listening to how Gonzaga plays the "right way" and how they play "smart" and they are better than other "undisciplined" teams.

FYI....these were all the reasons why we supposedly stood no shot against the greatest college basketball team of all time last April. I knew we were going to win because Gonzaga did not have the defense to stop our offense.
Their defensive ratings looked better than what they really were because of the lesser competition.

Lots of bird whistling going on, and it sounds exactly like when Duke had Grant Hill, Hurley and Laettner.

Difference between Duke and Gonzaga was that the ACC was a monster of a conference. Gonzaga is typically running nobodies off the court, and then folding in the tournament once they start playing teams that have the athletes to play elite defense.

As another poster stated...if you get a 1 or 2 seed its not that big of a deal to beat a 16 seed and then an 8/9 seed to make it to the Sweet 16.

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First, the Sweet 16 is Gonzaga's low-water mark since 2014-15. They've made it past that round in four of their last six trips to the tournament.

Second, if it's "not that big of a deal," why are they the only team in the country that has done it?

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I saw one statistical compilation showing that the Zags are 31-25 vs. the top 25 since the 2010-2011 season (that counts their tourney runs). Pretty good, but certainly not elite. I'm honestly not all that impressed by advancing two or three rounds in the NCAA tournament if you start out as a very high seed. It's a nice accomplishment but certainly easier for a 1 or 2 seed than for a 3-5 seed which they might have been if they played in the Big 12. Going to two NCAA title games was certainly a great accomplishment that can't be diminished. I haven't checked what their tourney path looked like those two years, but getting to play UCLA in the semifinal definitely helped them last year.

I think they are a very good program, but I think their seeding has really helped them in the NCAA tournaments… Seeding that they may not be getting if they had a few more losses in a difficult conference. That's all.

Gonzaga is a good program in a weak conference.

ilikebu said:

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Gonzaga is a good program in a weak conference.

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Gonzaga is an elite program in a weak conference.

I think Baylor is an elite program.

bear2be2 said:

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ilikebu said:

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Gonzaga is a good program in a weak conference.

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Gonzaga is an elite program in a weak conference.

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FWIW, the WCC has more teams ranked than the ACC.

ilikebu said:

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I think Baylor is an elite program.

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I agree.

I think it made the leap from a really good program to an elite one during the COVID season.

Gonzaga made that same leap during the 2014-15 season.

I'll say it again: Duke has the highest ceiling in college basketball.

Blue Devils were far from their best tonight --- and only got 12 points combined from Paolo Banchero and Wendell Moore.

Still won at Virginia.

— Jon Rothstein (@JonRothstein) February 24, 2022

Kentucky just beat Alabama and LSU back-to-back without Sahvir Wheeler and TyTy Washington.

Not sure there's another team in America that could do that without its starting backcourt.

Remember all of this on Selection Sunday.

— Jon Rothstein (@JonRothstein) February 24, 2022

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Kentucky just beat Alabama and LSU back-to-back without Sahvir Wheeler and TyTy Washington.

Not sure there's another team in America that could do that without its starting backcourt.

Remember all of this on Selection Sunday.

— Jon Rothstein (@JonRothstein) February 24, 2022

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LSU is sub-.500 in conference and got run out of the gym by a TCU team that's lost five of eight games since then. When do we get to stop pretending like that's a good team and that Will Wade is anything but a giant, cheating mediocrity?

Also, Alabama is 3-6 on the road this season with losses to Iona (No. 71 in the NET rankings), Memphis (No. 44), Missouri (No. 149), Mississippi State (No. 46) and Georgia (No. 211).

Those are solid wins for a shorthanded Kentucky team, but let's not get too carried away.

You're in complete denial about Kentucky and it's hilarious. You refuse to acknowledge they're without a doubt one of the favorites to win it all. That team when clicking has arguably the highest ceiling. They've been dealing with injuries a good chunk of conference season much like us. Replace Kentucky's name with Gonzaga's and you'd be slobbering all over them.

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You're in complete denial about Kentucky and it's hilarious. You refuse to acknowledge they're without a doubt one of the favorites to win it all. That team when clicking has arguably the highest ceiling. They've been dealing with injuries a good chunk of conference season much like us. Replace Kentucky's name with Gonzaga's and you'd be slobbering all over them.

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I'm not in denial about Kentucky. That's a really talented team playing really well. Those are just two weird wins to use to highlight that fact.

The wins at Lawrence and in Tuscaloosa were vastly more impressive than beating Alabama and a mediocre LSU team back to back at home. Alabama flat sucks on the road and LSU is the most overrated team in the country.

Gonzaga is by far the best program in the country.

Anybody that doesn't agree with how awesome Gonzaga is.....is a moron.

There is no way their regular season record is propped up by playing lesser competition.

Gonzaga just lost to Arkansas. They are a good team, again. I hope they beat Duke.