Wow, Sean Miller surprised me. I knew he had a great run at Xavier, but didn't realize he had than many wins.

Task Force 2015 said:

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Mitch Henessey said:

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With last night's victory over Washington, Scott Drew sits at 86th all-time in career victories. He passed Pat Kennedy, who had several coaching stops over his career (spanning from 1980-2011), but had his longest tenure at Florida State in the 80s and 90s, predating Leonard Hamilton.

Drew is now tied with Thad Matta, Sean Miller, and Abe Lemons at 488 wins.

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I think it is safe to assume that he will soon pass my friend the late Abe Lemons.I wish Abe was still with us so he could share humorous observations about the current state of college-pro basketball.

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This is a good point. Now that we're getting further up the list, it's probably a good idea to start giving the gentlemen Coach Drew passes their flowers. I'll start doing a mini bio for these retired coaches as we pass them.

With tonight's victory over Tarleton State, Coach Drew keeps pace with both Thad Matta and Sean Miller, and moves into a tie for 86th all-time with win #489.

Tonight, Drew passed the late Abe Lemons, who coached at Oklahoma City University (two stints there), UT Rio Grande Valley (then called Pan American), and Texas. He made the NCAA tourney 7x over his career and won an NIT at Texas.

Lemons was an Oklahoma native who played college ball at Hardin before transferring to Oklahoma City. When WWII broke out, Lemons served in the Merchant Marines before returning to school after the war.

Lemons coached his alma mater for 18 years (1955-73), and then later returned to coach there again when they were an NAIA team before retiring in 1990.

Lemons was known for his quick wit and had numerous memorable quotes while HC at Texas. He and his wife had two daughters. Lemons passed in 2002 at the age of 79, due to complications from Parkinson's.

With Tuesday's victory over Sacramento State, Coach Drew passed the late, great Gene Bartow to gain sole possession of 87th all-time. Bartow is best known as the coach who succeeded John Wooden at UCLA, where he led the Bruins to a Final 4 and a Sweet 16 in two seasons as coach. Bartow began his career coaching high school basketball in Missouri in the 1950s, and coached at Central Missouri State, Valparaiso, Memphis State (now Memphis), where he coached the National Runner Up team in 1973, and then Illinois for one season, before jumping to UCLA.

After just two years at UCLA, Bartow left to form the athletic department at UAB, where he served as head basketball coach (from 1978-1996) and AD (from 1977-2000). In UAB's second season as a program, Bartow led them to the NIT, followed by 7 straight NCAA tournament appearances, peaking with teams in the Sweet 16 (1981) and Elite 8 (1982). UAB still plays in Bartow Arena to this day.

The scuffling back and forth with Thad Matta and Sean Miller continues, however, and Drew sits one win behind them both, as of Wednesday night.

With yesterday's win over Southern, Scott Drew now has 495 career wins, and is in a tie for 82nd all-time. He's currently tied with Thad Matta, Jack Friel, and Sean Miller, two of whom are active.

With the win, Drew passed Bob Marlin, who coached at Sam Houston from 1998-2010 and Louisiana from 2010-2025. He was fired at UL last year and is now an assistant at the University of North Florida, where Matt Driscoll was head coach until this season. Marlin won 8 conference championships and made 4 NCAA tourney appearances between both schools.

Drew also passed Ned Wulk, who coached at Xavier from 1951-1957, and then took over at Arizona State. He presided over ASU dating from their time in the Border Conference, through their entire tenure in the WAC, and their first 4 seasons in the Pac 10. He retired from coaching in 1982. Wulk won 8 conference championships and made the NCAA tourney 9 times at Arizona State.

With yesterday's win over Arlington Baptist, Coach Drew passed Jack Friel on the all-time coaching wins list. Jack Friel coached at his alma mater, Washington State, from 1928-1958. He had by far his best season in 1940-41, when the Cougars won the Pacific Coast Conference and made the Final Four. That season to this day remains the only time WSU has made it past the Sweet 16.

Coach Drew is tied with Thad Matta and Sean Miller for 82nd all-time with 496 wins. They all sit one career win behind Bruce Weber.

31 more to pass dave bliss

Guys, Drew fails to coach basic BB fundamentals.
1. ( He's accomplished nothing without McCaslin and/or Tang as asst coaches)
2. He does not coach and Totally ignores any semblance of a strong inside game from a scoring, rebounding and ball movement standpoint.
3. His 3 man weave O from the 3 point line is easy to defend and coach against, and produces few open looks.
4. His team D is annually ineffective since Davion and the Great Team.
5. His O of jacking 3's and driving will never be a winning scheme.
6. '21 was an aberration that will never be repeated. Those players led by Mitchell were once in a lifetime for Baylor.
7. Drew's best hope is to get Tang back. Period.

Well, he was smart enough to get a guy who worked under him hired as the AD. He's got a get out of jail card for eternity now.

Powderpuff scheduling is what many basketball coaches use to get career wins up. Baylor basketball is not feared or put on a pedestal.

Yes, we've had a few great teams under Drew but we've gotten dog-drilled here recently. Basketball is perhaps the easiest sport to turn around too.

BluesBear said:

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16 more years @ 25 wins a year...that put him over 800 wins. We have been blessed...

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25 wins per year may be a generous assumption. Has Drew won 25 games per year since 2021?

After the Tech game. I am happy if he wants to enter retirement....

Fre3dombear said:

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31 more to pass dave bliss

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How many years required?

Might get 5-6 more wins this year...so that's in 3 years I guess.

Timbear said:

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Guys, Drew fails to coach basic BB fundamentals.
1. ( He's accomplished nothing without McCaslin and/or Tang as asst coaches)
2. He does not coach and Totally ignores any semblance of a strong inside game from a scoring, rebounding and ball movement standpoint.
3. His 3 man weave O from the 3 point line is easy to defend and coach against, and produces few open looks.
4. His team D is annually ineffective since Davion and the Great Team.
5. His O of jacking 3's and driving will never be a winning scheme.
6. '21 was an aberration that will never be repeated. Those players led by Mitchell were once in a lifetime for Baylor.
7. Drew's best hope is to get Tang back. Period.

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I'm not a huge basketball strategy / Xs and Os guy. That said, at a high level it looks entirely possible (and, more than that, pretty likely) that Drew's technical and disciplinary/grit deficiencies were filled by Tang/McCaslin and potentially also just the particular personnel we had on that team in 20-21-22. Those were some real dawgs.

I think Drew is 1-4 vs Tang since Tang left. McCaslin just beat us like we stole something. (I note Tang just brought Matt Driscoll back over from North Florida, which is interesting.)

Our defense sucks. We aren't even competitive against high level Big 12 teams. And TCU (not a high level Big 12 team) took our lunch money up in Fort Worth. The trend and results are now pretty darn clear.

Talk of firing Drew is absurd. He has a job for life here.

But, if we want results to improve, Drew and McNamee are going to have to get realistic about what is going on with our program and make some major changes to remedy it. Probably requires GM and staff changes. We can't turn over our whole damn roster every year, and we have to learn to play defense, for two pretty basic points.

Robert Wilson said:

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Timbear said:

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Guys, Drew fails to coach basic BB fundamentals.
1. ( He's accomplished nothing without McCaslin and/or Tang as asst coaches)
2. He does not coach and Totally ignores any semblance of a strong inside game from a scoring, rebounding and ball movement standpoint.
3. His 3 man weave O from the 3 point line is easy to defend and coach against, and produces few open looks.
4. His team D is annually ineffective since Davion and the Great Team.
5. His O of jacking 3's and driving will never be a winning scheme.
6. '21 was an aberration that will never be repeated. Those players led by Mitchell were once in a lifetime for Baylor.
7. Drew's best hope is to get Tang back. Period.

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I'm not a huge basketball strategy / Xs and Os guy. That said, at a high level it looks entirely possible (and, more than that, pretty likely) that Drew's technical and disciplinary/grit deficiencies were filled by Tang/McCaslin and potentially also just the particular personnel we had on that team in 20-21-22. Those were some real dawgs.

I think Drew is 1-4 vs Tang since Tang left. McCaslin just beat us like we stole something. (I note Tang just brought Matt Driscoll back over from North Florida, which is interesting.)

Our defense sucks. We aren't even competitive against high level Big 12 teams. And TCU (not a high level Big 12 team) took our lunch money up in Fort Worth. The trend and results are now pretty darn clear.

Talk of firing Drew is absurd. He has a job for life here.

But, if we want results to improve, Drew and McNamee are going to have to get realistic about what is going on with our program and make some major changes to remedy it. Probably requires GM and staff changes. We can't turn over our whole damn roster every year, and we have to learn to play defense, for two pretty basic points.

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No one ever has a job for life. That was just proven with Mike Gundy at Oklahoma State and could be proven in the coming years with Dabo Swinney at Clemson.

Even legends have performance standards, and if they consistently fail to meet those, it's time to move on. We're a couple of years away from that, but this season is several notches below any reasonable performance standards for our program. And it shouldn't be accepted or downplayed as anything but that.

This year's talent level and performance is unacceptable for Baylor men's basketball. And if things don't change in the next couple of years, it will be time for some difficult conversations and decisions.

bear2be2 said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Timbear said:

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Guys, Drew fails to coach basic BB fundamentals.
1. ( He's accomplished nothing without McCaslin and/or Tang as asst coaches)
2. He does not coach and Totally ignores any semblance of a strong inside game from a scoring, rebounding and ball movement standpoint.
3. His 3 man weave O from the 3 point line is easy to defend and coach against, and produces few open looks.
4. His team D is annually ineffective since Davion and the Great Team.
5. His O of jacking 3's and driving will never be a winning scheme.
6. '21 was an aberration that will never be repeated. Those players led by Mitchell were once in a lifetime for Baylor.
7. Drew's best hope is to get Tang back. Period.

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I'm not a huge basketball strategy / Xs and Os guy. That said, at a high level it looks entirely possible (and, more than that, pretty likely) that Drew's technical and disciplinary/grit deficiencies were filled by Tang/McCaslin and potentially also just the particular personnel we had on that team in 20-21-22. Those were some real dawgs.

I think Drew is 1-4 vs Tang since Tang left. McCaslin just beat us like we stole something. (I note Tang just brought Matt Driscoll back over from North Florida, which is interesting.)

Our defense sucks. We aren't even competitive against high level Big 12 teams. And TCU (not a high level Big 12 team) took our lunch money up in Fort Worth. The trend and results are now pretty darn clear.

Talk of firing Drew is absurd. He has a job for life here.

But, if we want results to improve, Drew and McNamee are going to have to get realistic about what is going on with our program and make some major changes to remedy it. Probably requires GM and staff changes. We can't turn over our whole damn roster every year, and we have to learn to play defense, for two pretty basic points.

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No one ever has a job for life. That was just proven with Mike Gundy at Oklahoma State and could be proven in the coming years with Dabo Swinney at Clemson.

Even legends have performance standards, and if they consistently fail to meet those, it's time to move on. We're a couple of years away from that, but this season is several notches below any reasonable performance standards for our program. And it shouldn't be accepted or downplayed as anything but that.

This year's talent level and performance is unacceptable for Baylor men's basketball. And if things don't change in the next couple of years, it will be time for some difficult conversations and decisions.

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I agree. But there's no practical or rhetorical reason to pick that battle now. Baylor won't even fire Dave Aranda.

I believe that the Scott Drew who came to Baylor in 2003 after many years of Baylor being an also-ran and rarely making the NCAA could absolutely get this team turned around. He was full of enthusiasm, commitment, and had an optimistic spirit that wouldn't quit. What Baylor and Scott Drew need to focus on now is building a TEAM. It's not about individuals and shiny new things as you all like to put it. It's not about finding guys with the greatest individual talents. It's about finding good players who will be committed to putting team first and a having a significant number of them stay. In basketball you have to have one or two stars on the team but also get solid guys who will play well together and stay together for a few years. What Scott Drew has done for Baylor basketball is really monumental. But it is time to adjust. If Scott has the same values and work ethic he had when he came to Baylor I believe that he can do it. He needs to make sure and have some assistants who are sound fundamentally and teach X's an O's and discipline well. I believe this season where we are really bad is an outlier. I believe that Doug McNamee will be significantly better than our last AD. Don't overreact to one bad season and keep a long view of things. Sic 'em, Bears!