Bearsalwayswin said:

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In football we get no respect. We win 6 games in a row no one blinks. Our quarterback and running back were on all american level and they're not talked about enough. Then we have basketball. Our team has worse records than these bubble teams and yet we're basically a lock and they're not. I guess a national championship brings you to new levels even years later.

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I have had that same thought. Feels like we are getting more credit than we deserve this year.

The respect is from the second toughest schedule in the country behind only Auburn.

The 3 Primary Sources Used by the Committee for SOS rankings:


KenPom:
1) Alabama; 2) Auburn; 3) Kentucky; 4) Purdue; 5) Illinois; 6) Baylor; 7) A&M; 8) Arizona; 9) Arizona St; 10) Ohio St.


BPI:
1) Alabama; 2) Purdue; 3) Auburn; 4) Arizona St; 5) Kansas; 6) A&M; 7) Arizona; 8) Michigan; 9) Oregon; 10) Ohio St.................................16) Baylor


NET: 5-9 Quad 1 record currently; Net SOS 4; at conclusion of conference tournaments SOS is then determined by formula that includes final Quad positions of all teams played by school.


We've played a reasonably tough schedule and have been rewarded thus far for it.

BUCANDOIT82 said:

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The respect is from the second toughest schedule in the country behind only Auburn.

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I applaud Drew's willingness to schedule tough. But there's nothing impressive about losing to a bunch of good teams -- and several mediocre/bad ones.

Howdy Doody coach that doesn't emphasize defense or player development and this is what you get.

BellCountyBear said:

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Howdy Doody coach that doesn't emphasize defense or player development and this is what you get.

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Our staff has traditionally done a very good job of developing players. That's why it's so frustrating that we've completely abandoned player development as a roster-building tenet.

So we lose to UConn by 4, TCU by 3, BYU by 4, CU by 2 and Cincy by 2....all but TCU are away games. We actually finish business in these tight games and we are 12-5 in Conference - - are we all complaining then?

I think the general frustration is not the lack of depth or the injuries - - we knew the roster before we started the year and injuries are part of the game ( but we lack depth so just magnifies that ), its the inability or lack of discipline of this team since Day 1. They are not learning from their mistakes....and that to me falls on the coach.

I believe someone mentioned player development - that is so true and more frustrating when you have so many coaches on the team. Do they have the ability to pull themselves together and win the next 3 games - - not sure. I don't see how a less than .500 record in conference gets you a seat at the NCAA tournament table regardless of SOS....but we shall see.

We playing our way away from that respect

This pretty much sums it up. Losers find ways to lose. Keeping the score close and playing the what if game can be said about a boatload of squads. This team simply is no good. There's more than enough data at this point

BluesBear said:

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So we lose to UConn by 4, TCU by 3, BYU by 4, CU by 2 and Cincy by 2....all but TCU are away games. We actually finish business in these tight games and we are 12-5 in Conference - - are we all complaining then?

I think the general frustration is not the lack of depth or the injuries - - we knew the roster before we started the year and injuries are part of the game ( but we lack depth so just magnifies that ), its the inability or lack of discipline of this team since Day 1. They are not learning from their mistakes....and that to me falls on the coach.

I believe someone mentioned player development - that is so true and more frustrating when you have so many coaches on the team. Do they have the ability to pull themselves together and win the next 3 games - - not sure. I don't see how a less than .500 record in conference gets you a seat at the NCAA tournament table regardless of SOS....but we shall see.

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Lots of people come a few numbers away from winning the lottery every year. Is trying to act like they were close to winning really a consolation?

bear2be2 said:

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BellCountyBear said:

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Howdy Doody coach that doesn't emphasize defense or player development and this is what you get.

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Our staff has traditionally done a very good job of developing players. That's why it's so frustrating that we've completely abandoned player development as a roster-building tenet.

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Agreed, our player development has been nonexistent. That said, arguably our biggest failure over the past 3 seasons has been our recruiting of transfers. Once upon a time we were the best at finding those diamond-in-the-rough transfers and developing them. But in recent seasons we have failed miserably in recruiting transfers.

Below is a list of busts and underwhelming transfers we have recruited over the past 3 seasons:

• Grimes
• Lohner
• Bonner
• Nunn
• Roach
• Celestine

When you have 1 or 2 one and done freshmen per season, it is absolutely imperative that you hit on your transfers to establish roster continuity. When you also factor in freshmen busts like Jordan Turner, Loveday, Little, and Asemota, something has gone awry with our talent evaluation.

Crawfoso1973 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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BellCountyBear said:

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Howdy Doody coach that doesn't emphasize defense or player development and this is what you get.

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Our staff has traditionally done a very good job of developing players. That's why it's so frustrating that we've completely abandoned player development as a roster-building tenet.

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Agreed, our player development has been nonexistent. That said, arguably our biggest failure over the past 3 seasons has been our recruiting of transfers. Once upon a time we were the best at finding those diamond-in-the-rough transfers and developing them. But in recent seasons we have failed miserably in recruiting transfers.

Below is a list of busts and underwhelming transfers we have recruited over the past 3 seasons:

• Grimes
• Lohner
• Bonner
• Nunn
• Roach
• Celestine

When you have 1 or 2 one and done freshmen per season, it is absolutely imperative that you hit on your transfers to establish roster continuity. When you also factor in freshmen busts like Jordan Turner, Loveday, Little, and Asemota, something has gone awry with our talent evaluation.

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Bonner doesn't belong on that list IMO. He was a late-take Division II project who overachieved simply by becoming a rotation player. I agree with your general sentiment, though.

bear2be2 said:

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Crawfoso1973 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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BellCountyBear said:

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Howdy Doody coach that doesn't emphasize defense or player development and this is what you get.

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Our staff has traditionally done a very good job of developing players. That's why it's so frustrating that we've completely abandoned player development as a roster-building tenet.

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Agreed, our player development has been nonexistent. That said, arguably our biggest failure over the past 3 seasons has been our recruiting of transfers. Once upon a time we were the best at finding those diamond-in-the-rough transfers and developing them. But in recent seasons we have failed miserably in recruiting transfers.

Below is a list of busts and underwhelming transfers we have recruited over the past 3 seasons:

• Grimes
• Lohner
• Bonner
• Nunn
• Roach
• Celestine

When you have 1 or 2 one and done freshmen per season, it is absolutely imperative that you hit on your transfers to establish roster continuity. When you also factor in freshmen busts like Jordan Turner, Loveday, Little, and Asemota, something has gone awry with our talent evaluation.

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Bonner doesn't belong on that list IMO. He was a late-take Division II project who overachieved simply by becoming a rotation player. I agree with your general sentiment, though.

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Bonner did the best he could. Like Nunn and Roach he was in the rotation. They were not busts but they were underwhelming.

Crawfoso1973 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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BellCountyBear said:

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Howdy Doody coach that doesn't emphasize defense or player development and this is what you get.

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Our staff has traditionally done a very good job of developing players. That's why it's so frustrating that we've completely abandoned player development as a roster-building tenet.

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Agreed, our player development has been nonexistent. That said, arguably our biggest failure over the past 3 seasons has been our recruiting of transfers. Once upon a time we were the best at finding those diamond-in-the-rough transfers and developing them. But in recent seasons we have failed miserably in recruiting transfers.

Below is a list of busts and underwhelming transfers we have recruited over the past 3 seasons:

• Grimes
• Lohner
• Bonner
• Nunn
• Roach
• Celestine

When you have 1 or 2 one and done freshmen per season, it is absolutely imperative that you hit on your transfers to establish roster continuity. When you also factor in freshmen busts like Jordan Turner, Loveday, Little, and Asemota, something has gone awry with our talent evaluation.

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1000%. Great summary. I think Nunn and Celstine are actually decent 10-15 minute a game guys, but they were huge misses for what they brought them in for. Still think Celestine can contribute in a limited role next year as your 8th or 9th guy.

That last part about Turner, Loveday, and the other dude I can't remember absolutely killed continuity. Its a great point. Been saying that for years. Not one of them were capable D1 guys. Those are the type of guys contributing nicely in year 4 for Houston, Tech, and Iowa St. Unbelievable string of misses that might have been related to scouting during Covid. Not sure.

Compound that with Jon, Love, Cryer, Sochan, and Missi situations and you have a recipe for disaster.

Before some lurker gets his or her undies all in a wad, I think it's important to point out none of you are saying those guys are bad basketball players. They all have skills. You are simply saying they weren't the pieces we specifically needed to build the roster of a team trying to win a championship or they were semi-forced into starting roles or roles where their skills didn't really measure up to what would be needed to be a team fighting for a conference championship. Or, in Roach's case, thinking he could almost carry a team by himself when he had never done that before.

Crawfoso1973 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Crawfoso1973 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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BellCountyBear said:

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Howdy Doody coach that doesn't emphasize defense or player development and this is what you get.

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Our staff has traditionally done a very good job of developing players. That's why it's so frustrating that we've completely abandoned player development as a roster-building tenet.

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Agreed, our player development has been nonexistent. That said, arguably our biggest failure over the past 3 seasons has been our recruiting of transfers. Once upon a time we were the best at finding those diamond-in-the-rough transfers and developing them. But in recent seasons we have failed miserably in recruiting transfers.

Below is a list of busts and underwhelming transfers we have recruited over the past 3 seasons:

• Grimes
• Lohner
• Bonner
• Nunn
• Roach
• Celestine

When you have 1 or 2 one and done freshmen per season, it is absolutely imperative that you hit on your transfers to establish roster continuity. When you also factor in freshmen busts like Jordan Turner, Loveday, Little, and Asemota, something has gone awry with our talent evaluation.

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Bonner doesn't belong on that list IMO. He was a late-take Division II project who overachieved simply by becoming a rotation player. I agree with your general sentiment, though.

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Bonner did the best he could. Like Nunn and Roach he was in the rotation. They were not busts but they were underwhelming.

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I don't think expectations were ever very high for Bonner. That's why I wouldn't put him on that list. I'd agree with everyone else's inclusion. They hype around the rest was either largely or entirely unjustified.

Did Celestine or lohner have any hype? I don't think either were brought in to fill big roles. Especially Lohner. Nunn was brought in as a defensive stopper and that massively failed. And Roach was brought in as an alpha game changer. And boy oh boy was that a failure.

If we get in the tournament..it will be basically be because like one of those goofy halftime contests where you pay someone $1 million to hit a half court shot which Roach did.

Pitino was pissed after that game because of some things Drew did...he's especially pissed now as we're not helping their NET rankings.

IowaBear said:

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Did Celestine or lohner have any hype? I don't think either were brought in to fill big roles. Especially Lohner. Nunn was brought in as a defensive stopper and that massively failed. And Roach was brought in as an alpha game changer. And boy oh boy was that a failure.

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Celestine was brought in to fill the Bridges role, which was an extreme swing-and-miss not only regarding his talent level but also his ability to play the role of a stretch 4. Celestine's overall inadequacy as a player and inability to play the role we needed to fill hurt our team almost as much as Roach's shortcomings.

As for Lohner, I think a lot of fans expected to be sort of a white Mark Vital who could rebound, defend, and do the dirty work. Didn't work out.

Pretty much. For all of Roachs struggles he's the reason we're still in contention for a bid. Without that shot to beat SJ no way the Bears are in contention

Drew has shown a number of times in his career that he learns from his errors and improves. Time to do that again re: roster management and development. We've got a sufficient sample size to say that the new approach is not working.

Robert Wilson said:

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Drew has shown a number of times in his career that he learns from his errors and improves. Time to do that again re: roster management and development. We've got a sufficient sample size to say that the new approach is not working.

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That is where I am right now as well. I think Drew has definitely earned the right to have time to figure out a new direction now.

He has demonstrated success for so long. I am assuming that this year has been very frustrating for him as well and he knows there's got to be a change in approach.