Yes. I think we're close to broke moneywise; maybe a few dollars left. Drew hinted that if we signed anyone else it would be another bench reserve. Roster is pretty much set with what we have: an 8 man rotation (maybe 9, depending on what they do with Williams), 1 bench guy (Kuykendall), 1 walk on (Perry) and a freshman redshirt.

Guards
1. White
2. Williams
3. Agbim
4. Carr
5. Perry (walk-on)
6. Kuykendall (oops - schollie)

Wings/Forward
7. Yessoufou
8. Skillings
9. Rajat
10. Iguodola (likely redshirting)

Centers
11. Powell
12. Bodo Bodo

2024-25
Played in 3 games for Arizona for a grand total of 1 minute. No shots taken.

2023-24
Redshirted at Arizona


PRIOR TO ARIZONA

• Played high school basketball at St. Joseph High School in Santa Maria, Calif.
• Helped St. Joseph to a 28-7 overall record and a perfect 14-0 mark in league play during the 2022-23 season
• Averaged 5.8 points and 2.7 assists per game

Not great, hope to be wrong but the guards probably just aren't good enough. Unfortunate turn with Wright but I agree might have been priced out at pg.

The wings have great potential but don't think it can make up for it unless Skillings and Tounde both reach their ceiling. I think Oregon St will be solid

Quinton said:

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Not great, hope to be wrong but the guards probably just aren't good enough. Unfortunate turn with Wright but I agree might have been priced out at pg.

The wings have great potential but don't think it can make up for it unless Skillings and Tounde both reach their ceiling. I think Oregon St will be solid

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I think you're likely going to see Agbim play the lead guard position more than he would have if Wright had returned.

I'll bet he and White share most of the point guard duties, and I think that pair will be better than expected.

As long as Bodo Bodo and Powell can:

1) set good picks on O
2) maybe contribute somewhere around Josh's numbers
3) play decent D
4) stay healthy

That's all we need from them, right? Are my expectations too low for that position? It seems like we have enough other guys who should be able to create and score on O and we don't really run the O through our big.

Big12Fan2024 said:

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As long as Bodo Bodo and Powell can:

1) set good picks on O
2) maybe contribute somewhere around Josh's numbers
3) play decent D
4) stay healthy

That's all we need from them, right? Are my expectations too low for that position? It seems like we have enough other guys who should be able to create and score on O and we don't really run the O through our big.

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I'm actually really excited about our post duo. Both are really efficient scorers in low usage and bring complementary skill sets.

Powell has a good back-to-the-basket game and can score effectively with both hands and Bodo Bodo is a freak of an athlete who can be an elite offensive rebounder and shot blocker.

I think this will be Baylor's best post situation in a while. We've had better individual post players. But I don't think we've had a better rotation under Drew.

Like everyone else I would have liked to have gotten another PG, but I think we will make due. We have multiple players who can handle the ball and initiate offense. So we will likely see a PG situation by committee instead of one or two primary point guards. Even wing players like Yessou and Skillings have the ability to handle the ball and distribute some.

I like Abgim. I'm skeptical of White. Don't see starter quality. Think he's a proven mid major standout starter or a solid P5/4 backup option.

I feel the staff agrees as they were in the mix for a ton of pg's but seems like that might not pan out.

I do like the roster as there are a ton of high upside guys (Tounde, Carr, Skilling, the big). If they all hit the team could be very good. They could also flame out. Will be interesting but the top end is limited imo without a playmaking pg.

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I like Abgim. I'm skeptical of White. Don't see starter quality. Think he's a proven mid major standout starter or a solid P5/4 backup option.

I feel the staff agrees as they were in the mix for a ton of pg's but seems like that might not pan out.

I do like the roster as there are a ton of high upside guys (Tounde, Carr, Skilling, the big). If they all hit the team could be very good. They could also flame out. Will be interesting but the top end is limited imo without a playmaking pg.

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Baylor has had a ton of success with high-efficiency JUCO and mid-major guards over the years. And White was more efficient for an NCAA tournament team last year than Flagler was for Presbyterian or Dennis was every year of his career except for his senior season at Toledo.

White's peripheral numbers last year were elite. I think Baylor fans are sleeping on him big time.

Nice to see a guy that appreciates a full ride scholarship to be a practice player.

this roster is not giving me much confidence for next year. I also dont understand how we are almost broke.. Baylor has many rich alums and i cant imagine that we can not keep up with most P4 conferences. Is Baylor just not good at NIL distribution or fundraising?

80% of the P4 schools have around the same NIL, give or take $500,000 or so, and we're in that pool. It's the other 20% that are operating in a different world than us when it comes to money. And I'd like to think some of our alums are rich because they're also smart. Why would they want to giveaway a million or more dollars for a year on some kid who stays here 1 year and then jumps for the next biggest paycheck? It's a bad investment. Just ask the ones who ponied up a lot of money for a particular player from last year who I will not name. And Baylor's alumni base is too small and too careful with its money to stage many successful drives to get each person to donate $1,000, particularly for basketball. Just not enough interest unfortunately.

And I want to say I'm not knocking him. He's a good basketball player. It's not a player's fault if the staff throws them in a role they aren't built for.

If he comes off the bench I think that could work well. Just think we need another proven guard. The staff could be making a bet that the transfer from Corpus might be able to get into the lane and make plays.

I see the vision as this roster with Wright would be dangerous. That was what the staff was planning around until late.

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this roster is not giving me much confidence for next year. I also dont understand how we are almost broke.. Baylor has many rich alums and i cant imagine that we can not keep up with most P4 conferences. Is Baylor just not good at NIL distribution or fundraising?

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You need a whale.

Bear2014 said:

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this roster is not giving me much confidence for next year. I also dont understand how we are almost broke.. Baylor has many rich alums and i cant imagine that we can not keep up with most P4 conferences. Is Baylor just not good at NIL distribution or fundraising?

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I like this roster a hell of a lot more than the last two we've had.

This team will be nine or 10 deep with rotation-caliber players -- all but one of which have started games at the Division I level. Our last two had maybe six such players and fell off a cliff at the first hint of injury or foul trouble.

The way I see it this team has higher floor and likely lower ceiling than last year's team at this point as o perceived it. If roach ormier and vj all hit and josh o stayed healthy that could have been a top 15 team. Only 2 of those 4 happened and we were top 35, and could have been worse. I see this team right now at about a top 20 ceiling and maybe a top 40 floor, barring no more crazy injury bad luck.

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The way I see it this team has higher floor and likely lower ceiling than last year's team at this point as i perceived it. If roach ormier and vj all hit and josh o stayed healthy that could have been a top 15 team. Only 2 of those 4 happened and we were top 35, and could have been worse. I see this team right now at about a top 20 ceiling and maybe a top 40 floor, barring no more crazy injury bad luck.

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Ewalker80 said:

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. I see this team right now at about a top 20 ceiling and maybe a top 40 floor, barring no more crazy injury bad luck.

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I think this is a pretty accurate assessment for now, obviously depending on team chemistry with all the new guys. Every year there is always a surprise team in each conference that ends up being much better than anticipated. I hope we can be that team this year.

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I like this roster a hell of a lot more than the last two we've had.

This team will be nine or 10 deep with rotation-caliber players -- all but one of which have started games at the Division I level. Our last two had maybe six such players and fell off a cliff at the first hint of injury or foul trouble.

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I can honestly say last year's team was my least favorite team to watch in many years. I loved watching VJ and Norchad, but we just looked awkward as a team starting with the Gonzaga game and going throughout the year. Lots of talent, but just never could come together for any extended period for whatever reasons.

I'm actually excited going into the Fall, anxious to see how this all works with an entirely different roster and hope that it comes together over the course of the season. I suspect we'll be a little rough looking at first, although Drew's comments definitely lead me to believe we will have a non-conference schedule that looks more like some of the ones we faced in the 20teens with the NIL tourney and maybe 1 other big game and the rest looking like Tech's non-conference from this past year.

UPDATE


Guards
1. White
2. Williams
3. Agbim
4. Carr
5. Perry (walk-on)
6. Kuykendall

Wings/Forward
7. Yessoufou
8. Skillings
9. Rajat
10. Iguodola (likely redshirting)

Centers
11. Powell
12. Bodo Bodo
13. Soyoye (likely redshirting)

I don't recall drew ever starting the season with only four rotation guards. At least not for a long time. Is there a chance we get another developmental type guard?

Ewalker80 said:

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I don't recall drew ever starting the season with only four rotation guards (and I'm not even sure Williams is in the rotation). So maybe 3.5?. At least I don't remember that for a long time. Is there a chance we get another developmental type guard?

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I think the easiest mistake to make as a fan when thinking about the upcoming season in any sport is to envision an injury free season. That rarely happens in basketball and never in footballl. I think this team is better constructed to sustain some reasonable amount of injuries at 3-5 but not at 1-2. The inverse of most years for Baylor. Hopefully they get lucky on injuries for first time since 2021. But the reality is if they could have even injury free (including most importantly JTT) every single one of those teams would have been pretty dang good.

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Bear2014 said:

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this roster is not giving me much confidence for next year. I also dont understand how we are almost broke.. Baylor has many rich alums and i cant imagine that we can not keep up with most P4 conferences. Is Baylor just not good at NIL distribution or fundraising?

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You need a whale.

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explain this to me like i am a tcu student.. why tf do i need a whale?

CSD bluntly admitted [though in his typical upbeat non-confrontational nonjudgmental manner] that there have been massive failures in:

1. roster construction,
2. preferred player profile, and
3. NIL usage

….how can folks doubt that his emphasis on roster depth, player length, and reemphasis on athleticism & motor are his designed "fixes" [along with a total tear down & rebuild of the player development portion of the program]?

The situation isn't a repair it is a total rebuild. And not sure how the results since the NC don't support his conclusion that it is necessary. He blew up the roster and started over…not sure how more blunt his actions based on that assessment could be.

Bear2014 said:

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Bear2014 said:

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this roster is not giving me much confidence for next year. I also dont understand how we are almost broke.. Baylor has many rich alums and i cant imagine that we can not keep up with most P4 conferences. Is Baylor just not good at NIL distribution or fundraising?

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You need a whale.

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explain this to me like i am a tcu student.. why tf do i need a whale?

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A good friend in church fundraising business explained to me that almost all big charitable projects are funded by a small group of super rich. I think that is even more true for NIL because even most super rich that might donate to the university or a sports program are going to think long and hard about donating millions to, for example, an undersized pg that can't play defense and will be gone after a year. That's a very small group of super rich that will do that, and probably super super rich. If revenue distribution starts to come in it might help, but for now it's being driven by a small number of super rich donors.

It seems this roster is set up to start two guards, two wings, and a center. A little less offense, but a better defense.

The guys the casinos fly to Vegas in the private jets to the minimum $1 million poker rooms are whales.

Stefano DiMera said:

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The guys the casinos fly to Vegas in the private jets to the minimum $1 million poker rooms are whales.

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i have never heard of the term before.. i am learning something new today

Bear2014 said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Bear2014 said:

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this roster is not giving me much confidence for next year. I also dont understand how we are almost broke.. Baylor has many rich alums and i cant imagine that we can not keep up with most P4 conferences. Is Baylor just not good at NIL distribution or fundraising?

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You need a whale.

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explain this to me like i am a tcu student.. why tf do i need a whale?

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A whale is a big money guy who funds everything. For example, Phil Knight is the whale Oregon. He's all in, all the time.

It's better than needing a million from me this year and having to ask again next year. Personally, don't think the current iteration of NIL is sustainable. I don't see the investment creating a return to the source.

A good collection of talent. Ceiling of this team comes down to coaching and buy in. Might take a little bit to figure out line ups and minutes.

I'm exited to see what this team can do next season. Looks like we actually put together a little more depth this season at 3, 4, and 5. At this point in time I'd rather have a full rotation than one true point guard. We haven't had serious offensive problems as of late, we've had defensive and depth problems.

I loved Omier last year. Double double machine and played hard but asking him for half a season to play 5 for 38 minutes a game was not good. He's a 4 and occasional small ball 5. VJ was fun to watch but he's more a guard than a wing. Throw in the switching man defense and we were extra vulnerable. With more length and depth this roster should do much better defensively if we keep the switching man defense.