🐻🏀👊 pic.twitter.com/xpA9Er4dHU

— Scott Drew (@BUDREW) June 26, 2025

Go to @BaylorMBB and there’s a good chance you’re going to be a first round pick. @Big12Conference lol

— Fran Fraschilla (@franfraschilla) June 26, 2025

"@BUDREW has a standard and a culture"
- VJ on how his time at BU prepared him for the draft#SicEm | #CultureofJOY pic.twitter.com/BhnB4M70Vx

— Baylor Men’s Basketball (@BaylorMBB) June 25, 2025

In retrospect I'm glad we landed VJ over Tre Johnson. VJ seems like an awesome dude, so much fun to watch, and likely will be a better NBA player. Has a chance to end up on Baylor's Mount Rushmore.

do we have a top 20 pick for next year's class?

Experts’ way too early 2026 NBA Mock Draft pic.twitter.com/01i57i8JKX

— College Basketball Report (@CBKReport) June 27, 2025

Some notable names who went undrafted 👀 pic.twitter.com/DB3nKayE3t

— The Field of 68 (@TheFieldOf68) June 27, 2025

boognish_bear said:

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Go to @BaylorMBB and there’s a good chance you’re going to be a first round pick. @Big12Conference lol

— Fran Fraschilla (@franfraschilla) June 26, 2025

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I would much rather this say "Go to @BaylorMBB and there's a good chance you're going to reach the second weekend of the NCAA tournament. @Big12Conference lol"

Draft picks are only a brag when they accompany results IMO. The point is to win in March, not to stock NBA teams.

Rutgers put two players in the top five. No Rutgers fan should be particularly happy about that after the season they just had.

Ewalker80 said:

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In retrospect I'm glad we landed VJ over Tre Johnson. VJ seems like an awesome dude, so much fun to watch, and likely will be a better NBA player. Has a chance to end up on Baylor's Mount Rushmore.

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VJ is awesome. He joins Jeremy Sochan and Ives Missi as my favorite Baylor freshmen of the modern era.

bear2be2 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Go to @BaylorMBB and there’s a good chance you’re going to be a first round pick. @Big12Conference lol

— Fran Fraschilla (@franfraschilla) June 26, 2025

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I would much rather this say "Go to @BaylorMBB and there's a good chance you're going to reach the second weekend of the NCAA tournament. @Big12Conference lol"

Draft picks are only a brag when they accompany results IMO. The point is to win in March, not to stock NBA teams.

Rutgers put two players in the top five. No Rutgers fan should be particularly happy about that after the season they just had.

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Yeah we do not want to do what Rutgers did. They blew

Duke 2024/2025:

going deep in the NCAAT and having highly drafted 1 & Done players are not mutually exclusive concepts.

why do folks continue to struggle with that reality?

Adriacus Peratuun said:

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Duke 2024/2025:

going deep in the NCAAT and having highly drafted 1 & Done players are not mutually exclusive concepts.

why do folks continue to struggle with that reality?

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No one said they're mutually exclusive concepts. But bragging about draft picks while you're finishing fourth or worse in your conference and losing in the second round of the NCAA tournament every year is the lame cope of an underachieving program.

I'll care about the draft pick stats and join in on the Twitter victory laps when we're back to making deep tournament runs again. Until then, it's trivia ... and not even trivia worth celebrating IMO.

bear2be2 said:

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Adriacus Peratuun said:

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Duke 2024/2025:

going deep in the NCAAT and having highly drafted 1 & Done players are not mutually exclusive concepts.

why do folks continue to struggle with that reality?

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No one said they're mutually exclusive concepts. But bragging about draft picks while you're finishing fourth or worse in your conference and losing in the second round of the NCAA tournament every year is the lame cope of an underachieving program.

I'll care about the draft pick stats and join in on the Twitter victory laps when we're back to making deep tournament runs again. Until then, it's trivia ... and not even trivia worth celebrating IMO.

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Have you informed CSD that his program is underperforming and his social media posts are simply a lame cope?

If not why not?

boognish_bear said:

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Some notable names who went undrafted 👀 pic.twitter.com/DB3nKayE3t

— The Field of 68 (@TheFieldOf68) June 27, 2025

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Dickinson's scouting report: Doesn't have great speed or agility and will struggle to guard in space at the next level. You could say the very same thing about a 7ft. 2 lawn ornament.

Big12Bear said:

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Experts’ way too early 2026 NBA Mock Draft pic.twitter.com/01i57i8JKX

— College Basketball Report (@CBKReport) June 27, 2025

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The B12 Ruth half of the top 10! And each from a different school. We shall see if this way too early mock draft resembled the real thing.

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bear2be2 said:

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Adriacus Peratuun said:

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Duke 2024/2025:

going deep in the NCAAT and having highly drafted 1 & Done players are not mutually exclusive concepts.

why do folks continue to struggle with that reality?

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No one said they're mutually exclusive concepts. But bragging about draft picks while you're finishing fourth or worse in your conference and losing in the second round of the NCAA tournament every year is the lame cope of an underachieving program.

I'll care about the draft pick stats and join in on the Twitter victory laps when we're back to making deep tournament runs again. Until then, it's trivia ... and not even trivia worth celebrating IMO.

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I agree with this. I know why they are doing it. It is good recruiting material. I would rather see deep tournament runs.

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This man gets it.

Style over substance. Sizzle over steak.

Hopefully this time next year we're talking about results.

Adriacus Peratuun said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Adriacus Peratuun said:

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Duke 2024/2025:

going deep in the NCAAT and having highly drafted 1 & Done players are not mutually exclusive concepts.

why do folks continue to struggle with that reality?

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No one said they're mutually exclusive concepts. But bragging about draft picks while you're finishing fourth or worse in your conference and losing in the second round of the NCAA tournament every year is the lame cope of an underachieving program.

I'll care about the draft pick stats and join in on the Twitter victory laps when we're back to making deep tournament runs again. Until then, it's trivia ... and not even trivia worth celebrating IMO.

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Have you informed CSD that his program is underperforming and his social media posts are simply a lame cope?

If not why not?

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I don't think I need to. This offseason -- and the recruiting strategy shift therein -- would seem to be a fairly obvious admission that we've been underachieving and that what we've been doing hasn't worked.

You don't hit the reset button if everything's great.

bear2be2 said:

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Adriacus Peratuun said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Adriacus Peratuun said:

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Duke 2024/2025:

going deep in the NCAAT and having highly drafted 1 & Done players are not mutually exclusive concepts.

why do folks continue to struggle with that reality?

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No one said they're mutually exclusive concepts. But bragging about draft picks while you're finishing fourth or worse in your conference and losing in the second round of the NCAA tournament every year is the lame cope of an underachieving program.

I'll care about the draft pick stats and join in on the Twitter victory laps when we're back to making deep tournament runs again. Until then, it's trivia ... and not even trivia worth celebrating IMO.

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Have you informed CSD that his program is underperforming and his social media posts are simply a lame cope?

If not why not?

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I don't think I need to. This offseason -- and the recruiting strategy shift therein -- would seem to be a fairly obvious admission that we've been underachieving and that what we've been doing hasn't worked.

You don't hit the reset button if everything's great.

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While conveniently ignoring that team features another One and Done player. But why acknowledge the fact that guts your tirade. Any problems of the past few years have not been caused by the talented freshmen. But again why acknowledge the obvious.

Adriacus Peratuun said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Adriacus Peratuun said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Adriacus Peratuun said:

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Duke 2024/2025:

going deep in the NCAAT and having highly drafted 1 & Done players are not mutually exclusive concepts.

why do folks continue to struggle with that reality?

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No one said they're mutually exclusive concepts. But bragging about draft picks while you're finishing fourth or worse in your conference and losing in the second round of the NCAA tournament every year is the lame cope of an underachieving program.

I'll care about the draft pick stats and join in on the Twitter victory laps when we're back to making deep tournament runs again. Until then, it's trivia ... and not even trivia worth celebrating IMO.

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Have you informed CSD that his program is underperforming and his social media posts are simply a lame cope?

If not why not?

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I don't think I need to. This offseason -- and the recruiting strategy shift therein -- would seem to be a fairly obvious admission that we've been underachieving and that what we've been doing hasn't worked.

You don't hit the reset button if everything's great.

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While conveniently ignoring that team features another One and Done player. But why acknowledge the fact that guts your tirade. Any problems of the past few years have not been caused by the talented freshmen. But again why acknowledge the obvious.

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I don't have a problem with individual one-and-done players -- so long as their roles are right-sized for team success. I just don't think Scott Drew has done a particularly good job of holding those players accountable to those types of roles in the past.

He does a lot of other things very well. His handling of elite freshman talent -- particularly the freedom he's given them to decide their own usage rates -- has not been one of them IMO.

But this is all a tangent because I'm not against recruiting those players. I'm against bragging about their draft position as though that's a more important/bigger accomplishment than the record you achieved while they were on campus.

Adriacus Peratuun said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Adriacus Peratuun said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Adriacus Peratuun said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Adriacus Peratuun said:

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Duke 2024/2025:

going deep in the NCAAT and having highly drafted 1 & Done players are not mutually exclusive concepts.

why do folks continue to struggle with that reality?

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No one said they're mutually exclusive concepts. But bragging about draft picks while you're finishing fourth or worse in your conference and losing in the second round of the NCAA tournament every year is the lame cope of an underachieving program.

I'll care about the draft pick stats and join in on the Twitter victory laps when we're back to making deep tournament runs again. Until then, it's trivia ... and not even trivia worth celebrating IMO.

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Have you informed CSD that his program is underperforming and his social media posts are simply a lame cope?

If not why not?

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I don't think I need to. This offseason -- and the recruiting strategy shift therein -- would seem to be a fairly obvious admission that we've been underachieving and that what we've been doing hasn't worked.

You don't hit the reset button if everything's great.

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While conveniently ignoring that team features another One and Done player. But why acknowledge the fact that guts your tirade. Any problems of the past few years have not been caused by the talented freshmen. But again why acknowledge the obvious.

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I don't have a problem with individual one-and-done players -- so long as their roles are right-sized for team success. I just don't think Scott Drew has done a particularly good job of holding those players accountable to those types of roles in the past.

He does a lot of other things very well. His handling of elite freshman talent -- particularly the freedom he's given them to decide their own usage rates -- has not been one of them IMO.

But this is all a tangent because I'm not against recruiting those players. I'm against bragging about their draft position as though that's a bigger accomplishment than the record you achieved while they were on campus.

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Promoting draft position is smart for recruiting.
Promoting professional achievement is smart for recruiting (see x posts about Mitchell contract).
Promoting team success is smart for recruiting.


You keep opining in a way that these things can't coexist.
They can.

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It's only good for recruiting if one-and-done recruiting is actually helping your program in a tangible way on the court. To date, it has not. We indisputably achieved at a higher level before we started taking one-and-dones every year.

Bragging about recruiting rankings and NBA draft picks looks dumb when you're not winning at a level commensurate with your talent.

I'd rather have a Sweet 16 or Elite Eight team with no draft picks than a first-weekend exit with a top-five pick. And all Baylor fans should agree. The former is an achievement related to our head coach's job description. The latter is not. Scott Drew's job is to have the Baylor men's basketball program competing at the highest level possible in Big 12 play and March. It's not to put players in the draft. If both of those things are happening, brag away. But the second only matters if this program is taking care of its business and playing to its potential on the court.

This will always help with recruiting!

datboiquadzilla said:

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This will always help with recruiting!

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It will help us recruit one-and-done players ... whose primary goal is to get to the NBA. If it's not helping us win championships/tournament games, it's not actually helping the program's recruiting, which might be better off targeting more veteran, college-focused talent.

Either way, these bragging tweets look dumb when we're finishing seventh in the Big 12 standings.

bear2be2 said:

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datboiquadzilla said:

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This will always help with recruiting!

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It will help us recruit one-and-done players ... whose primary goal is to get to the NBA. If it's not helping us win championships/tournament games, it's not actually helping the program's recruiting, which might be better off targeting more veteran, college-focused talent.

Either way, these bragging tweets look dumb when we're finishing seventh in the Big 12 standings.

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Fair enough. I always thought that Baylor was great during their get old stay old mantra, but getting one and dones on occasion is not a bad thing

The key is getting the right balance.

OTOH, "get old and stay old" is no longer the same with the portal & NIL.

Complaining about one-and-done players is a dead horse some posters feel the need to beat into oblivion. Until the NIL and the transfer portal are reigned in, every player must be viewed as a one-and-done with a near 100% roster turnover every offseason.

That sounds like an exaggeration but it's probably a lot more accurate than people realize.

It's absolutely an exaggeration. But that's on par with said poster