IowaBear said:

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It's absolutely an exaggeration. But that's on par with said poster

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Yes, but if I can't exaggerate, pontificate, and/or hyperbolize about stuff I know almost nothing about, what's this forum for?

But I wasn't referencing you haha. I actually agree with practically everything you post.

datboiquadzilla said:

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bear2be2 said:

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datboiquadzilla said:

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This will always help with recruiting!

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It will help us recruit one-and-done players ... whose primary goal is to get to the NBA. If it's not helping us win championships/tournament games, it's not actually helping the program's recruiting, which might be better off targeting more veteran, college-focused talent.

Either way, these bragging tweets look dumb when we're finishing seventh in the Big 12 standings.

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Fair enough. I always thought that Baylor was great during their get old stay old mantra, but getting one and dones on occasion is not a bad thing

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As I said before, I don't have a problem with one-and-done players. My problem is with our program's inability to right-size our one-and-done players' roles -- an issue that I believe comes with the territory when you're primary recruiting pitch is your ability to put guys in the NBA.

When we're telling players that our program is a stepping stone to their desired destination, we can't be surprised or disappointed when many of them treat their time here as a showcase of their skills, not an opportunity to fit as best they can into a championship program. And Scott Drew, for all of his many wonderful qualities, isn't the type of coach to reign in runaway freshmen.

bear2be2 said:

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datboiquadzilla said:

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bear2be2 said:

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datboiquadzilla said:

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This will always help with recruiting!

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It will help us recruit one-and-done players ... whose primary goal is to get to the NBA. If it's not helping us win championships/tournament games, it's not actually helping the program's recruiting, which might be better off targeting more veteran, college-focused talent.

Either way, these bragging tweets look dumb when we're finishing seventh in the Big 12 standings.

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Fair enough. I always thought that Baylor was great during their get old stay old mantra, but getting one and dones on occasion is not a bad thing

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As I said before, I don't have a problem with one-and-done players. My problem is with our program's inability to right-size our one-and-done players' roles -- an issue that I believe comes with the territory when you're primary recruiting pitch is your ability to put guys in the NBA.

When we're telling players that our program is a stepping stone to their desired destination, we can't be surprised or disappointed when many of them treat their time here as a showcase of their skills, not an opportunity to fit as best they can into a championship program. And Scott Drew, for all of his many wonderful qualities, isn't the type of coach to reign in runaway freshmen.

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Of the last 6 one-and-done freshmen -- Kendall Brown, Sochan, Keyonte, Walter, Missi, and Edgecombe -- only Keyonte is someone who I would characterize as a runaway freshman who needed to be reigned in. Keyonte was, and still is thus far in his NBA career, a brutally inefficient player. CSD was not able to make him a more efficient player in his one year here nor have the Utah Jazz helped his shooting woes thus far in his NBA career.

The other one-and-done freshmen I just listed did not need reigning in nor were they playing just to showcase their skills. TBH that's a pretty wild assertion and insulting to CSD and to the character of the players themselves. I agree Walter was also an inefficient scorer but he played within the offense. He was a shooting guard who turned out to be not a very good shooter. But he didn't need reigning in. The other guys played extremely well within the team roles CSD laid out for them. Hell, Sochan didn't even start for us. Sorry but outsde of Keyonte the narrative that CSD can't reign in our one and done players simply doesn't match reality.

Walter absolutely needed to be reigned in… dude lead the team in shot attempts while shooting well below 40% from the field. He had zero business putting up more shots than Dennis, Bridges, or a healthy LL

I acknowledged Walter was inefficient but his shots came within the context of the offense. I don't recall seeing him trying to play hero ball the way Keyonte did. He tried to play his role he just wasn't very effective for us.

IowaBear said:

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Walter absolutely needed to be reigned in… dude lead the team in shot attempts while shooting well below 40% from the field. He had zero business putting up more shots than Dennis, Bridges, or a healthy LL

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Walter could have taken fewer shots. He took 7 more shots than Dennis but could get to the foul line way more, which until Clemson was a good thing. The fact was that team could become stagnant when they went cold from outside. Dennis, as good as he was, never seemed to sync up.

Something I have been thinking about is the fact we talk a great deal about the Freshman one-and-dones, but ignore the other one-and-dones: the veteran point guards we have brought in 3 of the last 4 years (Keyonte's year is the year of pg by committee, which was a fail in its own right) for just one season. Drews system appears to me to allow for a great deal of freedom, which puts more responsibility on the pg to direct traffic. Thinking back at the big post season runs we have had the past 15 years or so, the runs came with veteran point guards invariably on their second year in the system (Pierre is an exception, but Pierre was always an exception).