I usually agree with everything you say, but agree to disagree on VJ. He was absolutely spectacular for us beginning mid year and only got stronger as conference moved on. No way we make it to the 2nd round of the Tourney without VJ carrying us. Without VJ and Omier carrying the rest of that hot garbage team, they would have been bad as this year's bunch or even worse. We effectively wasted VJ's spectacular season by not having anything around him (besides Omier and Wright) to take the load off of him.
How would you fix this mess?
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Before I posted this response, I had to go Google who the current assistants even are and their coaching history. Does Drew have the best assistants for what he is trying to do? I know we have lost several good ones to HC gigs here recently. Who evaluates portal players? Who handles the NIL? Who recruits HS kids? Who oversees the European Leagues?
boognish_bear said:You are crazy if u think we could do better than Coach Scott Drew. I would love for u (in an alternate universe) to try. But on this planet. U will never find one better than Coach.. and honestly this statement and this mindset *is the problem facing modern day college athletics
— Chip Gaines (@chipgaines) January 29, 2026
Maybe Chip should make a donation to the basketball team
Excellent post.
One thing to add, is that it's easy to fire someone. The hard part is finding the right coach, and persuading him to come to Baylor. The high-quality coaches will pay attention to how their predecessor left, and anyone who thinks a really good coach won't be put off by Baylor firing a Hall-of-Fame coach just 5 years after a Natty, is so mentally impaired they shouldn't be allowed near sharp objects or allowed to go outside on their own.
One thing to add, is that it's easy to fire someone. The hard part is finding the right coach, and persuading him to come to Baylor. The high-quality coaches will pay attention to how their predecessor left, and anyone who thinks a really good coach won't be put off by Baylor firing a Hall-of-Fame coach just 5 years after a Natty, is so mentally impaired they shouldn't be allowed near sharp objects or allowed to go outside on their own.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
There has been like one person here actually suggest firing Scott Drew this year, and it was on the football board.Oldbear83 said:
Excellent post.
One thing to add, is that it's easy to fire someone. The hard part is finding the right coach, and persuading him to come to Baylor. The high-quality coaches will pay attention to how their predecessor left, and anyone who thinks a really good coach won't be put off by Baylor firing a Hall-of-Fame coach just 5 years after a Natty, is so mentally impaired they shouldn't be allowed near sharp objects or allowed to go outside on their own.
The scenario almost everyone is talking about here is seven years removed from a national title and three straight years without a tournament appearance.
Most coaches would completely understand why his predecessor was fired if he turned a championship program into a dreg in such a short span of time. Coaches have and understand standards, too.
Oldbear83 said:
Excellent post.
One thing to add, is that it's easy to fire someone. The hard part is finding the right coach, and persuading him to come to Baylor. The high-quality coaches will pay attention to how their predecessor left, and anyone who thinks a really good coach won't be put off by Baylor firing a Hall-of-Fame coach just 5 years after a Natty, is so mentally impaired they shouldn't be allowed near sharp objects or allowed to go outside on their own.
In other words, the person you already know must be better than the person you don't yet know.
That's a good way never to get out of one's own way.
canoso said:Oldbear83 said:
Excellent post.
One thing to add, is that it's easy to fire someone. The hard part is finding the right coach, and persuading him to come to Baylor. The high-quality coaches will pay attention to how their predecessor left, and anyone who thinks a really good coach won't be put off by Baylor firing a Hall-of-Fame coach just 5 years after a Natty, is so mentally impaired they shouldn't be allowed near sharp objects or allowed to go outside on their own.
In other words, the person you already know must be better than the person you don't yet know.
That's a good way never to get out of one's own way.
No, it means for one thing, don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
It also means if you let someone make an emotional decision with no substantive plan beyond firing someone, you are asking to fail.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Oldbear83 said:canoso said:Oldbear83 said:
Excellent post.
One thing to add, is that it's easy to fire someone. The hard part is finding the right coach, and persuading him to come to Baylor. The high-quality coaches will pay attention to how their predecessor left, and anyone who thinks a really good coach won't be put off by Baylor firing a Hall-of-Fame coach just 5 years after a Natty, is so mentally impaired they shouldn't be allowed near sharp objects or allowed to go outside on their own.
In other words, the person you already know must be better than the person you don't yet know.
That's a good way never to get out of one's own way.
No, it means for one thing, don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
It also means if you let someone make an emotional decision with no substantive plan beyond firing someone, you are asking to fail.
Nice try, but my statement stands because it's the statement of entire countries that can't get out of their own way.
canoso said:Oldbear83 said:canoso said:Oldbear83 said:
Excellent post.
One thing to add, is that it's easy to fire someone. The hard part is finding the right coach, and persuading him to come to Baylor. The high-quality coaches will pay attention to how their predecessor left, and anyone who thinks a really good coach won't be put off by Baylor firing a Hall-of-Fame coach just 5 years after a Natty, is so mentally impaired they shouldn't be allowed near sharp objects or allowed to go outside on their own.
In other words, the person you already know must be better than the person you don't yet know.
That's a good way never to get out of one's own way.
No, it means for one thing, don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
It also means if you let someone make an emotional decision with no substantive plan beyond firing someone, you are asking to fail.
Nice try, but my statement stands because it's the statement of entire countries that can't get out of their own way.
No, your statement fails because you want to ignore truths that get in the way of your tantrum.
Fire Drew and we become completely irrelevant for a decade or more, unless you show respect to Drew and let him choose his time and reason to go, carefully identify the coach you need ahead of that departure, and make sure to give the new coach the resources to succeed.
We're stuck in fans acting like screeching monkeys flinging poo stage.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Oldbear83 said:canoso said:Oldbear83 said:
Excellent post.
One thing to add, is that it's easy to fire someone. The hard part is finding the right coach, and persuading him to come to Baylor. The high-quality coaches will pay attention to how their predecessor left, and anyone who thinks a really good coach won't be put off by Baylor firing a Hall-of-Fame coach just 5 years after a Natty, is so mentally impaired they shouldn't be allowed near sharp objects or allowed to go outside on their own.
In other words, the person you already know must be better than the person you don't yet know.
That's a good way never to get out of one's own way.
No, it means for one thing, don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
It also means if you let someone make an emotional decision with no substantive plan beyond firing someone, you are asking to fail.
We're not good right now. And haven't been for two full seasons.
Obviously, the best case scenario is that Scott Drew gets this ship righted and we return to Big 12 and national prominence with him leading our program. But there is no reason IMO to assume that's going to happen based on the current circumstances.
Our program is in a real mess right now. And the man responsible for that has yet to articulate his plan for cleaning it up. He needs to do so and implement that plan in a way that shows tangible progress or he needs to get out of the way.
Assuming that he can turn this around because he resurrected our program under completely different circumstances 20-plus years ago is a good way to fall into the irrelevancy you fear because if he can't and we allow him to try until he gives up, the next coach is going to be spending his early years rebuilding from Scott's rubble and we'll be right back where were competitively before Drew was hired.
Not bad for $3 mil
Johnny Dawkins' UCF Knights have been one of the biggest surprises of the season.
— Jeff Goodman (@GoodmanHoops) January 31, 2026
Especially with NIL payroll in neighborhood of $3 million.
Just beat Texas Tech and improved to 17-4 overall and 6-3 in Big 12 play. Also have a win over Kansas.
Incredible job by Dawkins and…
Way to prove you didn't read my post.
The question I asked was who you plan to get, how you plan to get him, and how to you make sure the move proves smart.
Of course, there are a lot of AD's who cannot answer that kind of question. But if you want to replace Drew, it's not cutting it to just keeping pissing about not winning as much as you want.
The question I asked was who you plan to get, how you plan to get him, and how to you make sure the move proves smart.
Of course, there are a lot of AD's who cannot answer that kind of question. But if you want to replace Drew, it's not cutting it to just keeping pissing about not winning as much as you want.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Meanwhile Bu is wasting millions on scrubs like Rataj and Agbim.
IowaBear said:
Meanwhile Bu is wasting millions on scrubs like Rataj and Agbim.
I hope someone at least talked Rataj out of taking a buttload of failed 3 point shots today.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Trying not to dig on him too much. But he shouldn't even be given the opportunity to take those shots. He's been imo the biggest miss in a good decade. Baylor got fleeced in this deal. A million plus for next to no production against any squads with a pulse.
PacificBear said:
Clean house. Players and coaches!
Not yet. Worst start since 2005.
If we win today, we have same start as 2014. That team made sweet 16. Let Scott figure it out.
IowaBear said:
Meanwhile Bu is wasting millions on scrubs like Rataj and Agbim.
Rataj and Agbim don't belong in the same category/sentence IMO. Agbim, while certainly disappointing, has really just missed shots that his history said he would hit with more consistency. And just in the last three games, we've seen that it is possible for that to change, and if it does, he becomes a plus player for us pretty quickly.
Rataj, meanwhile, simply isn't a good enough athlete to compete at this level. And nothing can happen that will change that unfortunately.
It would depend on what Agbim is making ino. If he's making near what Rataj is I think it would be fair to call him a bust. I still think that's probably a fair assessment. That said it's also rather obvious Agbim is playing out of position. He probably looks a lot better playing his natural position
IowaBear said:
It would depend on what Agbim is making ino. If he's making near what Rataj is I think it would be fair to call him a bust. I still think that's probably a fair assessment. That said it's also rather obvious Agbim is playing out of position. He probably looks a lot better playing his natural position
I just think it's important to make the distinction between a player who hasn't been as good as expected (who is actually starting to play better in recent weeks) and one who doesn't have the tools in his box to contribute in the Big 12.
Agbim can still salvage his season. Rataj never will because he's simply not good enough.
In the world of recruiting busts, one is far larger -- and more devastating -- than the other IMO.
IowaBear said:
Meanwhile Bu is wasting millions on scrubs like Rataj and Agbim.
Who did the scout on Rataj? Scott should have been more involved with this as this evaluation just makes no sense.
This site (not the free board) also unanimously pegged this guy as the best player on the team. That's with a lot more information than anyone here had available. Any credibility left is completely blown now.
Seeing him on the court, his movement is so labored and mechanical. He can't cover ground and get to spots on the court. Its just obvious to anyone who knows the game.. hard to imagine missing so badly on this.
I would be happy with just making the second round of the tournament at this point. My expectations have changed dramatically over the past two seasons.
This is a microcosm of what is wrong with BU Athletics. Too much buddy buddy ****, and not enough decisive decision making. No goals nor standards.
Just always a "well lets see next year.." and the cycle continues
Just always a "well lets see next year.." and the cycle continues
What would this team look like if Wright had stayed, Bodo Bodo has been healthy and the kid from Italy hadn't torn up his knee.
Williams would have played a few minutes at backup point guard...very few. We would have had a much better inside presence. Maybe the guy from Italy would have been a significant contributor....I've talked to a couple of guys who follow the team closely and live in Waco who believe he would have been.
I'm not saying we would have been as good as Arizona, Iowa State or Houston, but BYU without Wright would be different, I believe we would have won at least one of the TCU games, we would have likely beat Cincinnati, etc. I think the group without the injuries and defections would have been much better.
Just having a really skilled true point guard (something this group simply does not have) would have made everyone better. I think we would have been competing for fourth or fifth in the league and about a fourth seed in the tournament.
Williams would have played a few minutes at backup point guard...very few. We would have had a much better inside presence. Maybe the guy from Italy would have been a significant contributor....I've talked to a couple of guys who follow the team closely and live in Waco who believe he would have been.
I'm not saying we would have been as good as Arizona, Iowa State or Houston, but BYU without Wright would be different, I believe we would have won at least one of the TCU games, we would have likely beat Cincinnati, etc. I think the group without the injuries and defections would have been much better.
Just having a really skilled true point guard (something this group simply does not have) would have made everyone better. I think we would have been competing for fourth or fifth in the league and about a fourth seed in the tournament.
I am not an advocate for firing Scott Drew. For those that do want to fire Scott Drew, we do not have the money to fire Dava Aranda, so what makes you think we have the money to fire Scott Drew?
We are not going to get new coaches so all we can do as fans is hope the coaches that we currently have can figure out how to win in the pay for play era on a roster budget that is less (significantly less in football) than the Big 12 leaders.
We are not going to get new coaches so all we can do as fans is hope the coaches that we currently have can figure out how to win in the pay for play era on a roster budget that is less (significantly less in football) than the Big 12 leaders.
True Grit said:
I would be happy with just making the second round of the tournament at this point. My expectations have changed dramatically over the past two seasons.
I don't see this team making the tournament but I hope I am wrong an you are right.
Let's recruit a bunch of no name high school kids with athletic ability, suffer for 3 years for them to develop and hope they stick around. When they are seniors we let them take us to the NCAA tournament round of 32 as a team of 22 year olds. We get supporting super seniors in the transfer portal for that year. We do this cycle hoping every 4 years is a big tourney run
I was talking about this goal on an annual basis. No, we are not making the tournament this year. Probably not the NIT either.
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I think we have a pretty good shot of making the NIT now (assuming we have enough players willing to play in it) because I think we'll beat Kansas State, Arizona State and Utah and potentially UCF as well.True Grit said:
I was talking about this goal on an annual basis. No, we are not making the tournament this year. Probably not the NIT either.
That would put us pretty strongly in that discussion IMO -- especially with a win or two in the Big 12 tournament. It would be little consolation for what has been a really disappointing season, but I'd always rather play the postseason games than not.
I've not given up yet. They are beginning to figure out what it takes to play in the B12
bear2be2 said:I think we have a pretty good shot of making the NIT now (assuming we have enough players willing to play in it) because I think we'll beat Kansas State, Arizona State and Utah and potentially UCF as well.True Grit said:
I was talking about this goal on an annual basis. No, we are not making the tournament this year. Probably not the NIT either.
That would put us pretty strongly in that discussion IMO -- especially with a win or two in the Big 12 tournament. It would be little consolation for what has been a really disappointing season, but I'd always rather play the postseason games than not.
If we can hold on to a few of these key players for next year some extra games of playoff bball in the NIT would be a nice lead into next year
I hope Baylor goes on a roll and gets invited to March Madness, but if not, and they get invited to the NIT, I hope they accept the invitation. I attended the final game in Madison Square Garden and it was a hoot, even though we lost to Penn State.
Looking back at our squad is interesting. Here's a list of our players:
Kevin Rogers
Josh Lomers
Lace Dunn
Tweety Carter
Curtis Jerrels
Henry Dugat
Mamadou Diene
Anthony Jones
The next year we were 28-8 and 11-5 in the Big 12
The next year we lost (stolen) to Duke in the Elite 8 in Houston
Looking back at our squad is interesting. Here's a list of our players:
Kevin Rogers
Josh Lomers
Lace Dunn
Tweety Carter
Curtis Jerrels
Henry Dugat
Mamadou Diene
Anthony Jones
The next year we were 28-8 and 11-5 in the Big 12
The next year we lost (stolen) to Duke in the Elite 8 in Houston
boognish_bear said:bear2be2 said:True Grit said:
I was talking about this goal on an annual basis. No, we are not making the tournament this year. Probably not the NIT either.
I think we have a pretty good shot of making the NIT now (assuming we have enough players willing to play in it) because I think we'll beat Kansas State, Arizona State and Utah and potentially UCF as well.
That would put us pretty strongly in that discussion IMO -- especially with a win or two in the Big 12 tournament. It would be little consolation for what has been a really disappointing season, but I'd always rather play the postseason games than not.
If we can hold on to a key of these key players for next year some extra games of playoff bball in the NIT would be a nice lead into next year
Our two NIT runs both preceded deep runs in the NCAA tournament. I wouldn't mind seeing that bit of history repeat.
boognish_bear said:bear2be2 said:True Grit said:
I was talking about this goal on an annual basis. No, we are not making the tournament this year. Probably not the NIT either.
I think we have a pretty good shot of making the NIT now (assuming we have enough players willing to play in it) because I think we'll beat Kansas State, Arizona State and Utah and potentially UCF as well.
That would put us pretty strongly in that discussion IMO -- especially with a win or two in the Big 12 tournament. It would be little consolation for what has been a really disappointing season, but I'd always rather play the postseason games than not.
If we can hold on to a few of these key players for next year some extra games of playoff bball in the NIT would be a nice lead into next year
We are not beating UCF. Dawkins is legit coach.
That was back when we were returning a nucleus of players and the nit was a great development tool. Much different situation now. Next season we will be starting from scratch again except for maybe Williams and Nnaji.
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