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Bubaby21 said:

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Mack Rhodes ego!!! If I was NC id get out of this dumpster fire next year-will be worse on her after KM wins her 4th

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And Mulkey's ego wasn't involved?

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Winners ego trumps a losers ego.

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Win or lose, character matters. There is a lot of things in life more important than winning a game, even if it's the national title game.

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Eeeh Its different within the confines of the game.

In football. I would hit my opponent as hard as I could. When I hit a linebacker I tried to plant my face right under is facemask and run right through him. I hoped he didnt get up. I loved to hit runners as hard as I could. They were the enemy. After the game I would shake hands and say good game but I really meant, haha I kicked your ass. As a coach I loved shaking hands after a win.

The next day everything was back to normal. I hated Robinsons' Ganns, Rasberrys and Tuckers during the game but we would see each other at the lake and talk civilly.

Winning or losing is all that matters during the game. Of course life is more important but the game lets you escape from the mundane everyday restraint. The game lets you knock the crap out of somebody that dares to think he is as good as you are. Give me players like that, not nice boys that think winning is not as important as being nice.

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He sounds like her kind of athletic director for sure !

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sure, he's a cuck. Let's see what he does when she starts demanding **** like she did here.

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Hasn't Baylor had a national title in both men's and women's basketball under the current leadership? It seems they get it.

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The recent MBB and WBB championships had absolutely nothing to do with the current AD. The losing of the WBB coach is the responsility of the current AD.

And while we are on the topic no one here criticized Drew walking the floor for years along the banner reading NCAA Basketball Champions as if it belonged to his program. Kim said nothing. It should have read NCAA WBB National Champions.

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Her statement essentially was a jab at Baylor's administration implying she could not win a national title there under the current leadership but she can at LSU "because they do it right" and that is why she left for LSU. When in fact she actually won a national title under the current leadership. They did nothing to stand in the way of that. In short she was full of it and used her moment to lob crap at Baylor's leadership.

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"He gets it. He gets out of the way. You see he doesn't have to be and doesn't want to be the most important person in the athletic department."@LSUwbkb @KimMulkey says #LSU AD Scott Woodward "is my kind of leader". #NationalChamps pic.twitter.com/RclsFwoMvo

— Jacques Doucet (@JacquesDoucet) April 3, 2023

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Until he does get in the way, then boom. Some of their other coaches may also have problems at some point. Right now considering the condition of their football and MBB programs, he was looking for any kind of a plus and was willing to give whatever it took. Not sure how you run an organization if you let a particular employee have their way that can cause problems with your other employees. Seems like a plan for short-term success and a long-term disaster.

It would be interesting to know (not message board poster BS) exactly what it was that was "in the way" here. If we knew for certain, we all could make a better determination of whether those things were justified or not, and whether or not those things warranted the potential collateral damage if they were put "out of the way". Personally I don't think it mattered. LSU could have upped anything we could have given or offered. Bottom line, she wanted to go back to LA. But my mind could be changed if I knew the answers to the questions I just posed. Factual answers, not here-say or agendas.

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Bulls ran off Phil Jackson. How did that work out?

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boognish_bear said:

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"He gets it. He gets out of the way. You see he doesn't have to be and doesn't want to be the most important person in the athletic department."@LSUwbkb @KimMulkey says #LSU AD Scott Woodward "is my kind of leader". #NationalChamps pic.twitter.com/RclsFwoMvo

— Jacques Doucet (@JacquesDoucet) April 3, 2023

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Until he does get in the way, then boom. Some of their other coaches may also have problems at some point. Right now considering the condition of their football and MBB programs, he was looking for any kind of a plus and was willing to give whatever it took. Not sure how you run an organization if you let a particular employee have their way that can cause problems with your other employees. Seems like a plan for short-term success and a long-term disaster.

It would be interesting to know (not message board poster BS) exactly what it was that was "in the way" here. If we knew for certain, we all could make a better determination of whether those things were justified or not, and whether or not those things warranted the potential collateral damage if they were put "out of the way". Personally I don't think it mattered. LSU could have upped anything we could have given or offered. Bottom line, she wanted to go back to LA. But my mind could be changed if I knew the answers to the questions I just posed. Factual answers, not here-say or agendas.

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Bulls ran off Phil Jackson. How did that work out?

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Jerry Jones ran off Jimmy Johnson. Once the talent that Johnson had developed tailed off, how'd that work out?

COLUMN | Mulkey's exit from Baylor is a result of strain, fatigue and pettiness | Sport | themercury.com

Winners win
Kim is a winner and a boss chick

Interesting read.

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Bubaby21 said:

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Mack Rhodes ego!!! If I was NC id get out of this dumpster fire next year-will be worse on her after KM wins her 4th

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And Muljey's ego wasn't involved?

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That ego wins Nattys. Like the latest one today that should have been ours.

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The ego That let her go is all about a little something called person over player where championships aren't really expected or desired as long as you're improving as a person by whatever metric they want to use to feels good

It is amusing to watch Mulkey crush it as she moved in. Quite entertaining. This same crew looking for the next statue to tear down and next safe space in Veterans Day to create

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Kim is a great coach and proved it today. Congrats to her and LSU. Glad we have the Coach and team we will have next year.

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Yep.

And I'm of the opinion that Kim wouldn't have achieved the same at BU. By leaving BU, it reignited her championship fire, and got her to go all out. Not quite sure her staying here would have done the same in terms of motivation.

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Unless you were in the room when it happened, it's ALL hearsay.

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Which is why we will probably never know & all the continued speculation over an event 2 years ago is a waste of time.

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Everything I have posted on here is not hearsay. It is eye witness account from people who worked there everyday.

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Unless you were the person there as an eyewitness, it is hearsay. At least that's the legal definition in a court of law. That doesn't mean it's automatically false. It may very well be 100% true but it is about events two years ago that are no longer very relevant.

Kim likes LSU and they like her.

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Mack Rhodes ego!!! If I was NC id get out of this dumpster fire next year-will be worse on her after KM wins her 4th

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And Muljey's ego wasn't involved?

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That ego wins Nattys. Like the latest one today that should have been ours.

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The ego That let her go is all about a little something called person over player where championships aren't really expected or desired as long as you're improving as a person by whatever metric they want to use to feels good

It is amusing to watch Mulkey crush it as she moved in. Quite entertaining. This same crew looking for the next statue to tear down and next safe space in Veterans Day to create

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If there is no job description expectation of championship level success, written or implied, by Rhoades and Livingstone, then they should also not expect people to pony up hard-earned $$$ to support athletics at the level they do and will continue to demand. They can have all the person-over-player business they desire without seeking championship-level competition, settling for mediocrity from the start. "Person-over-player" only has meaningful impact when it occurs in the midst of hotly-contested, competitive athletic teams whose drive has to begin with coaching staffs who demand a level of execution and brook nothing less. That's a situation ripe for bad relationships, and anyone who has witnessed that knows this. That sort of external pressure exists in all professional education and training programs, not just athletics, and is a necessary element (within reason) to producing the "best" in its people. The ability to drive others to excellence and to maintain relationships for maturing human beings is a rare and desirable gift. There is no justification for the existence of athletic programs, much less the expense, absent the drive for championships.

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"He gets it. He gets out of the way. You see he doesn't have to be and doesn't want to be the most important person in the athletic department."@LSUwbkb @KimMulkey says #LSU AD Scott Woodward "is my kind of leader". #NationalChamps pic.twitter.com/RclsFwoMvo

— Jacques Doucet (@JacquesDoucet) April 3, 2023

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Until he does get in the way, then boom. Some of their other coaches may also have problems at some point. Right now considering the condition of their football and MBB programs, he was looking for any kind of a plus and was willing to give whatever it took. Not sure how you run an organization if you let a particular employee have their way that can cause problems with your other employees. Seems like a plan for short-term success and a long-term disaster.

It would be interesting to know (not message board poster BS) exactly what it was that was "in the way" here. If we knew for certain, we all could make a better determination of whether those things were justified or not, and whether or not those things warranted the potential collateral damage if they were put "out of the way". Personally I don't think it mattered. LSU could have upped anything we could have given or offered. Bottom line, she wanted to go back to LA. But my mind could be changed if I knew the answers to the questions I just posed. Factual answers, not here-say or agendas.

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Bulls ran off Phil Jackson. How did that work out?

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Jerry Jones ran off Jimmy Johnson. Once the talent that Johnson had developed tailed off, how'd that work out?

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Not only did Jerry run off Jimmy, he pushed through the salary cap that then ran off all the talent. But the support for the Cowboys is strong here and across the country, so Jerry is loaded. The Cowboys don't even need to win.

From an economic perspective, Jerry Jones is by far the most successful NFL franchise owner. The Cowboys are the most valuable team in the league by a large margin.

From a football perspective, they are mediocre at best often not even in the playoff's. IIRC, the last time they won the Super Bowl was in the 1990s under Troy Aikman & Jimmy Johnson. Have they even played in the game since then?

Actually I believe the Cowboys won a Superbowl with Barry Switzer as coach too.

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Actually I believe the Cowboys won a Superbowl with Barry Switzer as coach too.

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Jimmy left after the 1993 Super Bowl win. Barry came in, lost to the 49ers in the 1994 NFC Championship then won the 1995 Super Bowl with mostly Jimmy's core players. Team started to decline and Barry left after 1997.

Thanks for the reminder. You too, whitetrash, especially since that caveat is very significant.

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Oh look… another Mulkey post.

I am looking forward to this season being over so we can maybe discuss our team and its development instead of Mulkey.

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Trading a hall of fame coach for an ordinary coach is a pretty good predictor of the future of our team and its development.

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baylorguy09 said:

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Oh look… another Mulkey post.

I am looking forward to this season being over so we can maybe discuss our team and its development instead of Mulkey.

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Trading a hall of fame coach for an ordinary coach is a pretty good predictor of the future of our team and its development.

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But if we can incorporate NIL $$$$ then we could be good.

https://nypost.com/2023/04/08/ugly-womens-basketball-march-madness-dragged-it-to-new-low/

Mulkey became a must-get for LSU after her Baylor teams made Auriemma's UConn stompers seem kind. She was the proud adult that produced 111-43 versus Arkansas State, 117-24 over McNeese and 136-43 over Northwest State, among other conquests. Thank you, and come again!

Naturally, the ugly final to an ugly season was rationalized and applauded on ESPN. Former NBAer Kendrick Perkins: "It's competition! This is what the game is all about!"

"If we knew that Clark was acting the fool for trash-talking and gesturing which we did and lowering her game to depths now seen as a low standard, why then would the young woman from LSU [Reese] intentionally go lower? Was there no one on the LSU side to say, 'Please don't respond. Keep it classy. Be the adult in the room'?

"Where was any adult in the room to do the right thing and on a national stage?

"And so the LSU player decided to copy off the paper of the kid we all knew had the wrong answer on the test."

And almost overnight, as if on cue, bad became worse.

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baylorguy09 said:

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Oh look… another Mulkey post.

I am looking forward to this season being over so we can maybe discuss our team and its development instead of Mulkey.

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Trading a hall of fame coach for an ordinary coach is a pretty good predictor of the future of our team and its development.

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But if we can incorporate NIL $$$$ then we could be good.

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BU and NIL don't mix.

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baylorguy09 said:

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Oh look… another Mulkey post.

I am looking forward to this season being over so we can maybe discuss our team and its development instead of Mulkey.

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Trading a hall of fame coach for an ordinary coach is a pretty good predictor of the future of our team and its development.

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I don't have a whole lot to add in terms of why Mulkey left. I don't pretend to know the inner workings of the Athletic Department.

Kim Mulkey and Guy Morriss are two of the more polarizing coaches that we've had at Baylor in the 21st Century.

Guy Morriss was well liked by a lot of Baylor fans.
Because of this; many of his defenders will go out of their way to excuse the fact that he was a horrible football coach that had a losing record at every place he coached.

To this day you have some Baylor fans that will try to attribute the success we had in the 2010's to the coach that told RGIII that we would only recruit him at defensive back.

Mulkey is the opposite. A lot of Baylor fans on this site don't like her.....and such will try and tear down the 3 National Championships, or the decade of winning Conference Titles as not a big deal, or just women's sports.

I think the exposure of winning National Titles in front of the entire country is well worth whatever Mulkey was asking for.
That's just me.

Mulkey is the best coach that we ever had, and I am tremendously grateful for what she did for Baylor.
Its time to support Coach Collen and make sure she keeps this program elite.

You're absolutely right, Mulkey was a great coach and whether or not her personality was an issue, it doesn't matter because the woman was a brilliant coach. She should have been kept at all costs, she deserved to retire at Baylor you're right. She put Baylor women's basketball on the map!

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You're absolutely right, Mulkey was a great coach and whether or not her personality was an issue, it doesn't matter because the woman was a brilliant coach. She should have been kept at all costs, she deserved to retire at Baylor you're right. She put Baylor women's basketball on the map!

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This assumes she wanted to stay. As far as I know that it is not a public fact. I don't know one way or another. But when I left my last job in my career I wanted to go. Nothing would have kept me there. I have seen plenty of others do the same thing. You can question why she would not want to stay, but if she did not, nothing would have prevented her from leaving. I wouldn't have commented because it will bring out the usual suspects.....to which I will not respond again. But, I thought it was worth posting to question that assumption because I see it a lot.

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Way to Coach classless players. I would much rather win fewer games and be proud of my coach and her players. Angel Reese and Alexis Morris who Kim kicked off her Baylor team both taunted Caitlin Clark during the game and after the game. You can win and still be LOSERS. I prefer to win with a quality coach and teamwin the right way.

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You act like CC wasn't trash talking either....Give me a break. Alexis and Angel won't last long in the WNBA, if they even make it, CC will - so last laugh on them...

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You're absolutely right, Caitlin Clark was running her mouth all season, so, a lil pay back is something that shouldn't bother her. There is nothing here for people to be upset over, the Iowa people are going overboard on this one crying for Angel Reese of LSU to be disciplined or something. lol Also, to the OP it was Caitlin Clark talking trash about LSU's Alexis Morris before the game about she didn't respect her or something. That's why Morris said what she said at the end of the game about she has to respect her now.

Kim was just on Trey Gowdys show on FOX. Good interview. Trey is a BU grad as we all know.

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Way to Coach classless players. I would much rather win fewer games and be proud of my coach and her players. Angel Reese and Alexis Morris who Kim kicked off her Baylor team both taunted Caitlin Clark during the game and after the game. You can win and still be LOSERS. I prefer to win with a quality coach and teamwin the right way.

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You act like CC wasn't trash talking either....Give me a break. Alexis and Angel won't last long in the WNBA, if they even make it, CC will - so last laugh on them...

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You're absolutely right, Caitlin Clark was running her mouth all season, so, a lil pay back is something that shouldn't bother her. There is nothing here for people to be upset over, the Iowa people are going overboard on this one crying for Angel Reese of LSU to be disciplined or something. lol Also, to the OP it was Caitlin Clark talking trash about LSU's Alexis Morris before the game about she didn't respect her or something. That's why Morris said what she said at the end of the game about she has to respect her now.

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If Caitlin had been aware of Morris's history at BU she would not have been wise to mouth off.
She is very lucky Alexis has learned from her freshman year.

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Way to Coach classless players. I would much rather win fewer games and be proud of my coach and her players. Angel Reese and Alexis Morris who Kim kicked off her Baylor team both taunted Caitlin Clark during the game and after the game. You can win and still be LOSERS. I prefer to win with a quality coach and teamwin the right way.

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You act like CC wasn't trash talking either....Give me a break. Alexis and Angel won't last long in the WNBA, if they even make it, CC will - so last laugh on them...

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You're absolutely right, Caitlin Clark was running her mouth all season, so, a lil pay back is something that shouldn't bother her. There is nothing here for people to be upset over, the Iowa people are going overboard on this one crying for Angel Reese of LSU to be disciplined or something. lol Also, to the OP it was Caitlin Clark talking trash about LSU's Alexis Morris before the game about she didn't respect her or something. That's why Morris said what she said at the end of the game about she has to respect her now.

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KLaw27 said:

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BluesBear said:

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R3G said:

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Way to Coach classless players. I would much rather win fewer games and be proud of my coach and her players. Angel Reese and Alexis Morris who Kim kicked off her Baylor team both taunted Caitlin Clark during the game and after the game. You can win and still be LOSERS. I prefer to win with a quality coach and teamwin the right way.

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You act like CC wasn't trash talking either....Give me a break. Alexis and Angel won't last long in the WNBA, if they even make it, CC will - so last laugh on them...

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You're absolutely right, Caitlin Clark was running her mouth all season, so, a lil pay back is something that shouldn't bother her. There is nothing here for people to be upset over, the Iowa people are going overboard on this one crying for Angel Reese of LSU to be disciplined or something. lol Also, to the OP it was Caitlin Clark talking trash about LSU's Alexis Morris before the game about she didn't respect her or something. That's why Morris said what she said at the end of the game about she has to respect her now.

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I may be mistaken, but I think Clarke was saying how she didn't guard the S.C. shooters and Morris made it into something about disrespecting her. I don't think she ever said anything about no guarding Morris.

I guess they were all there…. Regrets? Respect?

This

What on earth are you talking about? Clark never trashed Morris.

1.3mm for Angel Reese?

Jacques Strap said:

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1.3mm for Angel Reese?

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Seems to be an equity problem here