I have watched men & women's b ball for decades. Scott Drew has always taken players & you could watch them get better.
We have not observed that with Nicky Collins. The teams do not seem to make progress through the season.
I'm tired of watching them.

WeNeedGrantTeaff said:

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I have watched men & women's b ball for decades. Scott Drew has always taken players & you could watch them get better.
We have not observed that with Nicky Collins. The teams do not seem to make progress through the season.
I'm tired of watching them.

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I said in another thread3 years. Different players same flipping issues. Excuses every year.

Kim left the cupboard bare. Sure hated having 2 first round WBBA Choices there. Yeas, Sarah there sure was bad???

Injuries last year and Dre not eligible. And wait till she gets her players.

This year no injuries, her team blah blah blah.


Same mediocre coaching.


Different year sane results.

I actually created my account to specifically say both her and Aranda needed to get fired. That was back in Dec of 2022.
However, that may have been too bold of a thread to start off with and the thread was deleted.

I haven't changed my opinion - both need to get canned.

Early in the year CNC said the team was good and would be even better in March. Went 14 -0 and now 18- 6 ?

Totally not negative on Nickey. Pipeline was empty when Kim left. We got Buggs and Bella her first recruiting year. We got some good transfers. Recruiting has not been good but transfers have been ok. I will give her the benefit of waiting.

I am likewise not yet throwing in the towel on this team. No question they have had an up and down season, and even had up and down moments during the game last night getting back into the game twice. The lack of depth inside and lack of a true post are clearly issues. Still, I'm not giving up just because they lost to a team with a 12-1 conference record on their home court.

Looking forward to the game in Waco on Sunday.

There have been players who developed under Nicki. Bella's play is definitely better this year as is Jana's. Yaya is also continuing to improve.

I am also not giving up on Nicki yet. The main issue with this team is lack of height in post. That has greatly hurt us. Hopefully Lety and Kyla develop and can help some next year. The staff knew Lety would be a project. I understand Kyla was injured and then redshirted. Nicki said on coach's show that getting a true post is a priority. I understand Nicki does have some NIL money that was not used when Jaloni didn't come. That should help. There are not a lot of good true post players and we will have to pay to get one.

I think another big problem is that Sarah Andrews has not been healthy since 12 game run. This has definitely affected her play and conditioning. Sarah is the leader of this team and not having her at 100% has hurt.

I think it is too early to say Nicki isn't the right coach.

Her team is worse now than the start of the season, and there doesn't seem to be a reason why. They seriously need to recruit a center for next year and that kills us, but early on they were able to overcome that deficiency. They play well in spots, but the turnovers are killers. This does not appear to be a team that will make a big run in the tournament. I'm not ready to give up on CNC, but they appear to have the players to win, just something is off.

Height - problem.
Injuries -problem.
Team chemistry - big problem.
Height - deserve a second mention.
Shooting - need more.

WBB simply doesn't have the shooting, height, talent to run the schemes the staff wants to run.
And teams have us well scouted. They take away our preferred stuff, we fold.

Expecting a serious housecleaning after the season. Not HC and would like to keep 3 of the young players……but the rest need to step up or get ready to pack.

The team could use some coaching on how to use the backboard on "gimme's" underneath the hoop.

It just gets worse. People keep talking about talent. If there is talent, which I don't believe there is, then it has to be entirely a coaching issue, which I believe it is not at all.

To: IowaBear- Did I say this in a nice way that meets your approval?

Including Walker. Ya know her--shes the bull in the china closet. Throws (not shoots) hoping the ball will find its way in the basket. Send her packing

Nicki is clueless. She got so lucky winning WNBA coach of the year, followed by a terrible season.

There are a number of people on this board who continue to make statements that Kim Mulkey left the cupboard bare, left the pipeline empty, left with no players on the team for Coach N in 2021.
Mulkey left with 6 of her players remaining on Baylor team for Coach N. 6 of the top 7 players in 2021-2022 season came from Mulkey. 2 were transfers that Mulkey got and they stayed at Baylor that season. Coach N's first year record was 28-7 with 6 of the top 7 players were from Mulkey. Only one player left with Mulkey (Gusters). Pre-season ranking #7, and end of season ranking #7, played in NCAA Tourney. Please explain how Mulkey left the cupboard bare or left BWBB in bad shape in 2021? It happens to every team when a head coach leaves, someone will leave for WNBA and someone will transfer, it's normal. But Baylor had 6 Mulkey players remain on the team in 2021. That was not exactly leaving the cupboard bare. The big challenge for Coach N is recruiting and getting the best transfer to continue Baylor's winning tradition.

BearTiger said:

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There are a number of people on this board who continue to make statements that Kim Mulkey left the cupboard bare, left the pipeline empty, left with no players on the team for Coach N in 2021.
Mulkey left with 6 of her players remaining on Baylor team for Coach N. 6 of the top 7 players in 2021-2022 season came from Mulkey. 2 were transfers that Mulkey got and they stayed at Baylor that season. Coach N's first year record was 28-7 with 6 of the top 7 players were from Mulkey. Only one player left with Mulkey (Gusters). Pre-season ranking #7, and end of season ranking #7, played in NCAA Tourney. Please explain how Mulkey left the cupboard bare or left BWBB in bad shape in 2021? It happens to every team when a head coach leaves, someone will leave for WNBA and someone will transfer, it's normal. But Baylor had 6 Mulkey players remain on the team in 2021. That was not exactly leaving the cupboard bare. The big challenge for Coach N is recruiting and getting the best transfer to continue Baylor's winning tradition.

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WBB has 15 scholarships. 15.

Collen inherited a roster with 7 players: 1 Grad Transfer, 4 Seniors, 1 Junior, 1 Sophomore, 0 Freshmen.

Any coach would tell you that such a roster is undermanned and terribly imbalanced. One year later there were 3 holdovers [thanks to COVID year]. None were over 6 foot. It wasn't a transition it was a one year delayed total rebuild from ground up.

Collen bears responsibility for problems with player development and team cohesion but Mulkey left her with a roster mess.

That team of KM players would blow the doors off this team with CNC players.

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That team of KM players would blow the doors off this team with CNC players.

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That team couldn't field a starting five one year later.
Basketball requires quality. Basketball also requires quantity.

People love to ignore the fact that success requires many components.

You get to add players every year and with the transfer portal it's the easiest it's ever been to make additions to your team. You just have to make the right ones. We added three smurfs and no post height. That isn't on KM it's on CNC.

Mulkey took over a garbage LSU squad with wayyyy less talent than what CNC inherited and won a Natty in year 2. Not saying I expected CNC to win a title right away. However, I see that as an excuse.
I actually like CNC more than most. And think a lot of the game thread posters are being drama queens regarding this teams shortcomings. We're 18-6 not 6-18.
But we do have to improve the post play dramatically. Blackwell needs to leave as does Bartley. We have solid pieces but for whatever reason they aren't meshing. I have no idea if that's on CNC or what.

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Mulkey took over a garbage LSU squad with wayyyy less talent than what CNC inherited and won a Natty in year 2. Not saying I expected CNC to win a title right away. However, I see that as an excuse.
I actually like CNC more than most. And think a lot of the game thread posters are being drama queens regarding this teams shortcomings. We're 18-6 not 6-18.
But we do have to improve the post play dramatically. Blackwell needs to leave as does Bartley. We have solid pieces but for whatever reason they aren't meshing. I have no idea if that's on CNC or what.

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Mulkey was also given $500,000 in NIL $ to spend. That number is supposedly now $650,000.

Comping building a roster with that amount to Collen having $70,000 is not apples to apples.

Between recruiting and the transfer portal you can makeover your team very quickly and add major pieces they just have to be the right ones. From last year's championship team LSU added HVL and Morrow to go along with the #1 PG and #1 Post coming out of HS. We desperately have needed to add some height to the guard position and someone with height who could play the post position right away but have failed to do so two years in a row. Hopefully we can add these needed pieces in the offseason to go along with Buggs/Bella/Lety/Kyla.

In case folks haven't noticed……

What do UConn, Baylor, Louisville, Oregon, Arizona, Maryland, Tennessee, and others have in common?

Answer: they used to be great but are now getting seriously outbid for the top players.

Welcome to NIL-ville.

Go out and raise the money. It's CNC's job to do that in the NIL era. I do business in BR and KM was hitting up donors from LSU as soon as her plane landed in BR that first year and it hasn't stopped yet.

I hope we can as well. It is going to take NIL to get top players. I have no idea how much we can offer. I know Nicki has some that was not used on Jaloni. It sounds like true post player is at top of her list. We just have to have true post to compete.

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Go out and raise the money. It's CNC's job to do that in the NIL era. I do business in BR and KM was hitting up donors from LSU as soon as her plane landed in BR that first year and it hasn't stopped yet.

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Pie in the Sky.

NIL as a long term pathway to success is a losing bet.
South Carolina, LSU, UCLA buying players is not sustainable in the long term. The novelty wears off.
WBB is not FB or MBB……..the number of donors willing to cash dump is too small to sustain heavy spending.

NIL legislation is coming. Not as soon as it should, but coming.
And at that point every $ that the heavy $ buyer's are now spending is forever gone.
Baylor and it's limited resources needs to take the long approach not burn a large amount of cash for short term benefit.

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There are a number of people on this board who continue to make statements that Kim Mulkey left the cupboard bare, left the pipeline empty, left with no players on the team for Coach N in 2021.
Mulkey left with 6 of her players remaining on Baylor team for Coach N. 6 of the top 7 players in 2021-2022 season came from Mulkey. 2 were transfers that Mulkey got and they stayed at Baylor that season. Coach N's first year record was 28-7 with 6 of the top 7 players were from Mulkey. Only one player left with Mulkey (Gusters). Pre-season ranking #7, and end of season ranking #7, played in NCAA Tourney. Please explain how Mulkey left the cupboard bare or left BWBB in bad shape in 2021? It happens to every team when a head coach leaves, someone will leave for WNBA and someone will transfer, it's normal. But Baylor had 6 Mulkey players remain on the team in 2021. That was not exactly leaving the cupboard bare. The big challenge for Coach N is recruiting and getting the best transfer to continue Baylor's winning tradition.

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WBB has 15 scholarships. 15.

Collen inherited a roster with 7 players: 1 Grad Transfer, 4 Seniors, 1 Junior, 1 Sophomore, 0 Freshmen.

Any coach would tell you that such a roster is undermanned and terribly imbalanced. One year later there were 3 holdovers [thanks to COVID year]. None were over 6 foot. It wasn't a transition it was a one year delayed total rebuild from ground up.

Collen bears responsibility for problems with player development and team cohesion but Mulkey left her with a roster mess.

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AP, the crowd here doesn't want to believe that. The problem I think which many are not seeing was that our trajectory on talent was not headed in the right direction even before Mulkey left. We were relying on transfers more and more and the ones she lined up for what would have been the 2021-2022 season were no where near the quality of players that were departing (Carrington. Richards, Ursin, and a year later Smith and Egbo). That season was not gong to see the success we had and really should have had (a FF) in 2020-2021. We were going to be a weaker team, regardless of whether the coach was Mulkey or someone else.

Our HS recruiting was sagging both in quality and numbers and then when Mulkey left even most of those bailed. before a head coach was even named. We were not setting ourselves up for continued success at the level we had seen. We were / are not ever going, even with NIL money, to bring in the level of players that Mulkey has gotten to come to LSU. She couldn't convince Van Lith to come to Baylor but she was willing to go to LSU, for example While she had done that a few times prior to her leaving (Griner, Sims etc.) that wasn't happening after the Smith class. Can only speculate on why and too lengthy to go into here.

Home grown talent (HS recruits going through the program and developing in a well balanced class team structure) was beginning not to be the norm at Baylor. The problem with having a team full of transfers is that they may have old habits that are not going to be broken in a year or two, don't have time to really know each other, and often times their productivity in one environment just doesn't translate to another. Not to mention the negative vibes sent to potential HS recruits as to their chances of playing much in their first couple of years/

It's going to take longer than most here think or will be patient for, for anyone, NC or someone else, to head things up in a dramatic fashion. These last years have been more of just keeping the ship afloat to be able to rise again, a ship that was taking on water deep in the hold after that UConn loss and heading into the 2021 season building up to a level that wouldn't show up until 2022. I have to thank several on this year's team for coming and being a part of bailing out water, but I am not gong to miss some. I hope we can get back to the more normal team roster where you can build something over the years, but with NIL and seemingly completely free agency that ship may have already sailed as well.

Additionally with the transfer portal and coaches recruiting players to transfer to their school, we will have to provide very good NIL to players like Bella and Buggs to get them to stay.

NIL has absolutely ruined college sports. I can only hope there is some type of legislation soon that would cap amount that can be given.

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There are a number of people on this board who continue to make statements that Kim Mulkey left the cupboard bare, left the pipeline empty, left with no players on the team for Coach N in 2021.
Mulkey left with 6 of her players remaining on Baylor team for Coach N. 6 of the top 7 players in 2021-2022 season came from Mulkey. 2 were transfers that Mulkey got and they stayed at Baylor that season. Coach N's first year record was 28-7 with 6 of the top 7 players were from Mulkey. Only one player left with Mulkey (Gusters). Pre-season ranking #7, and end of season ranking #7, played in NCAA Tourney. Please explain how Mulkey left the cupboard bare or left BWBB in bad shape in 2021? It happens to every team when a head coach leaves, someone will leave for WNBA and someone will transfer, it's normal. But Baylor had 6 Mulkey players remain on the team in 2021. That was not exactly leaving the cupboard bare. The big challenge for Coach N is recruiting and getting the best transfer to continue Baylor's winning tradition.

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WBB has 15 scholarships. 15.

Collen inherited a roster with 7 players: 1 Grad Transfer, 4 Seniors, 1 Junior, 1 Sophomore, 0 Freshmen.

Any coach would tell you that such a roster is undermanned and terribly imbalanced. One year later there were 3 holdovers [thanks to COVID year]. None were over 6 foot. It wasn't a transition it was a one year delayed total rebuild from ground up.

Collen bears responsibility for problems with player development and team cohesion but Mulkey left her with a roster mess.

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AP, the crowd here doesn't want to believe that. The problem I think which many are not seeing was that our trajectory on talent was not headed in the right direction even before Mulkey left. We were relying on transfers more and more and the ones she lined up for what would have been the 2021-2022 season were no where near the quality of players that were departing (Carrington. Richards, Ursin, and a year later Smith and Egbo). That season was not gong to see the success we had and really should have had (a FF) in 2020-2021. We were going to be a weaker team, regardless of whether the coach was Mulkey or someone else.

Our HS recruiting was sagging both in quality and numbers and then when Mulkey left even most of those bailed. before a head coach was even named. We were not setting ourselves up for continued success at the level we had seen. We were / are not ever going, even with NIL money, to bring in the level of players that Mulkey has gotten to come to LSU. She couldn't convince Van Lith to come to Baylor but she was willing to go to LSU, for example While she had done that a few times prior to her leaving (Griner, Sims etc.) that wasn't happening after the Smith class. Can only speculate on why and too lengthy to go into here.

Home grown talent (HS recruits going through the program and developing in a well balanced class team structure) was beginning not to be the norm at Baylor. The problem with having a team full of transfers is that they may have old habits that are not going to be broken in a year or two, don't have time to really know each other, and often times their productivity in one environment just doesn't translate to another. Not to mention the negative vibes sent to potential HS recruits as to their chances of playing much in their first couple of years/

It's going to take longer than most here think or will be patient for, for anyone, NC or someone else, to head things up in a dramatic fashion. These last years have been more of just keeping the ship afloat to be able to rise again, a ship that was taking on water deep in the hold after that UConn loss and heading into the 2021 season building up to a level that wouldn't show up until 2022. I have to thank several on this year's team for coming and being a part of bailing out water, but I am not gong to miss some. I hope we can get back to the more normal team roster where you can build something over the years, but with NIL and seemingly completely free agency that ship may have already sailed as well.

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Texas HS WBB talent is definitely in an extended down cycle. But when all the Texas schools lose top players to teams like UNC, the stink is heavy.

I don't blame the players. $100,000 per year and a free education is life changing for most 18 year olds.

I don't like NIL at all but it's where college athletics is at, and I don't see it going back the other way ever. Either play the game or get left behind.

Do these schools have big NIL Budgets?

NC State, Kansas State, Colorado, Oregon State, Virginia Tech, Gonzaga, Syracuse, Creighton


They deal with transfers, out of the way towns/cities, etc. Recruit and coach up your players. It isn't happening here.

All we hear is excuses for CNC. Excuse after excuse of why here first year got blown out by Dakota. Or why her second year massively dropped off, and now another year.

1st Year excuse. following a legend, cupboard bare, etc. (crap excuses)
2nd year. Injuries. Cupboard bare from KM. NCAA not being fair to Edwards and if Dre and Blackwell were here we would be great.
3rd Year Give her time, blah blah blah. Well Blackwell, Dre, and the rest are here and yet the excuse goes to NIL Budgets.

Zero accountability for CNC. The blame is every where else. Just crazy

I understand the knee jerk reaction and not firing her, but holy crap the excuse making for her is just unreal.

Between AP, Blackie and several others on this board there is so much drama and gloom and doom for our WBB. And continuous blame on the previous coaching staff. This is the 3rd year, and we should be past the blame game. Mulkey did not leave a mess, cupboard bare, closed pipeline, etc etc in 2021. Here are 6 of the top 7 Mulkey players who led the team in scoring in 2021-2022 after she left:

Smith
Egbo
Bickle
Andrews
Lewis
Owens

These 6 were fantastic players, they were not a roster mess. Coach N was fortunate these 6 players stayed and not transferred. The rest has to come from Coach N and her staff to fill in where needed, just like every team in the country has to do every year. 5 of these 6 players were starters in 2021-2022. They are a big reason Coach N had a successful first year, 28-7 record, and played in the NCAA Tourney.
Speaking of leaving a mess, cupboard bare, you are 100% correct IowaBear, you did your homework. Mulkey's first year at LSU had 9 players either graduated or transferred away, and she had only 2 returning starters. The rest she had to get from transfers and 2 freshman from recruiting class. Mulkey truly inherited a mess, worked from almost nothing, she did it with no excuses. She had the biggest turnaround in SEC history for a first year coach. Her 2nd year, again only 2 returning starters. Her 3rd year, again only 2 returning starters. A head coach's responsibility is to fill in the blanks where they are needed, recruit well, and get the best transfers. It's also their responsibility to raise funds. The NIL is Coach N and Baylor's responsibility. WE ARE BAYLOR, an elite WBB program with 3 NC's. We should not be making up any excuses.

Isn't recruiting of talent (& lack of a post position player that has been mentioned by several posters) ALSO a coach's responsibility?

Does KM have a new $200M b-ball facility?
You're right. It's not apples and apples.

More excuses...

WeNeedGrantTeaff said:

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Does KM have a new $200M b-ball facility?
You're right. It's not apples and apples.

More excuses...

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LMFAO…….because so many teenagers will turn down 100K annually to play in a nicer gym.
Applaud the pharmaceutical industry on the extensive amount of hallucinogens you are ingesting.