This is just a new thread to give her her propers. She's done a fantastic job, and as Lady Aretha would say, (R-E-S-P-E-C-T!).
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The Mulkeyists are gonna hate this.
The "middle of the pack" chorus is not gonna like this.
The "middle of the pack" chorus is not gonna like this.
I'm not quite as dumb as I seem
I agree. Enjoyed watching the game last night. Women played well.
I have found theres only two ways to go:
Living fast or dying slow.
I dont want to live forever.
But I will live while I'm here.
Living fast or dying slow.
I dont want to live forever.
But I will live while I'm here.
That's 1 poster. And I'm not sure he's even posted since he was corrected? Could be wrong on that
I am really enjoying watching our team! I think we have a great chance of winning the conference if they continue to play at this level.
The middle of the pack guy is persistent on all these boards. He'll come back as soon as we lose a game. He thrives on Baylor failure. He lives for it. And I don't think it is just 1 poster. Of course, posters can create new names, but go back a few years when we were dealing with a really screwed up roster both in depth and class distribution. You heard several with their comments.....junior high team, coach only looking for a paycheck, and the like completely clueless or ignoring the behind the curtain reality of what we were left with and what historically happens to teams losing their elite coach.IowaBear said:
That's 1 poster. And I'm not sure he's even posted since he was corrected? Could be wrong on that
Then skip ahead a year or so and we got the "she can't develop talent". Well, Buggs and Bella say "Hello".
I just wish the attendance would improve. My wife and I can really no longer go to games on much more than a sporadic frequency, if that. And not living in the immediate area our attendance in the past was always limited. This team deserves just as much support as we ever had. And, I suspect, most of that support in the past came from Waco area people. They are fun to watch and see develop.
It goes beyond winning, I think it gets back to people being mad at the coaching departure and taking that out on the team and the new staff who had nothing to do with any of that. If that is the case for anyone, if they ever had their real motivation to be supporting the players rather than to just pump up or schmooze with the previous coach, it is time to get past that. This team and staff deserve support better than what they are getting. If this team has to win multiple championships before you think they deserve support, well, that isn't going to happen. It likely wouldn't happen if KM came back. Times have changed in the world of WBB.
I am concerned about the upcoming recruiting cycle. When Buggs and Bella move on after next year that is going to leave a gigantic hole that has got to be filled. I am hopeful that success this season will shed more spotlight on this program. That yes, we lost the magnet of an elite coach, but we weathered the storm (better than just about anyone else has done in that situation) and are once again deserving of being considered an upper-tier program. We can't do anything about our conference affiliation and perhaps can't match the NIL of the SEC and B1G if it comes to that, but there are more great players out there than those upper programs in those leagues can take.
Attendance is interesting because I really thought downsizing would help both programs. It's really only helped the men's. But I fully expected the Foster to give the girls a true HC advantage and that hasn't played out yet.
I'm not sure we can blame it on ticket prices either. I looked last night before tip on stubhub and there were hundred and hundred of seats available under $15.00 available. And the photo posted by I believe Geewego minutes after tip was pathetic. Looked like maybe 2k there.
I'm not sure we can blame it on ticket prices either. I looked last night before tip on stubhub and there were hundred and hundred of seats available under $15.00 available. And the photo posted by I believe Geewego minutes after tip was pathetic. Looked like maybe 2k there.
I wish we lived close to Waco. We would try to be at every WBB game. I think it would be really interesting if we could find out from everyone who used to go that no longer does, the reason.IowaBear said:
Attendance is interesting because I really thought downsizing would help both programs. It's really only helped the men's. But I fully expected the Foster to give the girls a true HC advantage and that hasn't played out yet.
I'm not sure we can blame it on ticket prices either. I looked last night before tip on stubhub and there were hundred and hundred of seats available under $15.00 available. And the photo posted by I believe Geewego minutes after tip was pathetic. Looked like maybe 2k there.
I can throw out some of those reasons, mostly excuses, you might hear. Please note that some in the list below are what you would be told, not necessarily standing up to fact.
- I came because I liked KM and if she isn't there, I don't care because I really don't like sports.
- My family situation has changed such that going to games is either too expensive, the time conflicts don't allow going or I went because my kids wanted to go and they have grown up.
- The team doesn't win enough.
- I am dead.
- My health has declined to the point I can't get out.
- I moved away.
- I don't like Mack Rhoades so I don't want to support Baylor athletics.
- The coach doesn't know what she is doing.
- It is easier to watch the game on streaming devices or TV from home.
- They don't deserve my support because they haven't earned it.
- We don't play any games worth paying to watch.
- They play like a junior-high team.
- We don't have highly recruited players whose names I recognize.
- KM is at LSU. I had rather follow her there.
- KM is no longer at Baylor and she is the only coach that can have success at Baylor.
- Baylor didn't bring in my choice as coach as KM's replacement.
- Baylor only wanted to go cheap.
- Baylor only wants to be mediocre and not be a big-time program in anything (this is for the middle of the pack guy)
- It is just the way of the world now. NIL and the portal has killed it for me.
That list is pretty long but I suspect covers most of it. Most of them are BS if what you care about is the WBB team and program versus all the BS around administration and politics.
I would like to hear of others someone may think of that I haven't listed.
Yaya Felder and Jada Walker also join Bella and Buggs in saying hello…. Nicki and staff can certainly develop talent. Yaya and Jada have definitely improved since they joined this team!!!!
Add::
- They screwed Briles. I don't support Baylor anymore.
- I don't like the parking, and miss the Ferrell.
You caught me. This is my reason.blackie said:I am dead.
For me, I live just far away enough and have kids just at the right age that once or twice a year is the best I can realistically manage. It has been more or less that way for many years, although largely because of kids, I am taking fewer trips to Waco in general (finally let my football season tickets go before last season). I do still watch every game on tv though.
I'll give you another reason that is just an unfortunate reality, which is that fewer people are excited for women's basketball then they are for men's. What you are seeing in the disparity of fans for each sport at Baylor is consistent with what you see nearly everywhere (notwithstanding a few outliers like UConn). So you can't just expect the fans to get there because the team is good, and have to get creative about seeking out support. This is one area where I think Mulkey excels that not a lot of people really recognize - making a point of constantly getting out in the community and getting people to attend games that would not have considered themselves fans of women's basketball. I have noted before that Collen seems to favor a different approach of ginning up interest among Baylor undergrads moreso than the Waco community. I understand the logic to that, but at the same time, I feel like something is happening generationally that just makes it harder to get current college kids to commit to participating regularly. So I think more effort on the community side of things will probably be needed. When I see the bank commercials she has been starring in, I suspect that may be a reflection that she is beginning to recognize the same need.
Also, as this thread was almost immediately derailed.....yes, congrats to coach and team for a great win last night! Now lets go smash Tech!
BINGOKIA said:
Add::
- They screwed Briles. I don't support Baylor anymore.
- I don't like the parking, and miss the Ferrell.
I'm not a fan of the WNBA but in my opinion CNC is much better suited to prep players for that league than the last coach (I don't care to mention her name). I know fans of the last coach doesn't like to hear it but the team was destroyed by her when she left and it's taking CNC time to rebuild. If I had a daughter wanting to play in the WNBA, I would recommend she play for CNC because she knows how to put players there. Over the last three years they have improved in March madness each year and I think you will see that IMPROVEMENT again this year.
One thing I really appreciate about CNC is how her teams consistently improve as the season goes along. You can tell the work she and her staff put into them.
Regarding attendance--I've thought about this from a lot of angles, and one that I'm only now giving consideration to is how the NIL and the transfer-portal have heightened parity within WBB, which has conversely reduced interest in the game in every program except those with either a high-profile superstar, or a high-profile (and, in at least one case, animated) coach that people love and love to hate.
Some of this, I think, is rooted in misogyny. Men's teams draw folks who love a good game and who tolerate losses from otherwise excellent programs. (Case in point: Our men's team has almost twice as many losses this season as the women's team, yet hasn't seen near the drop-off in attendance.) Women have to overcome so much disinterest in their game that the only way they can do so is by dominating, game-in and game-out.
Back to Coach Nicki--I believe she is such an excellent coach that could become a target for a more high-profile school if Waco's interest in our team doesn't ramp up. I hope Mack is aware of this and working to right the ship.
Regarding attendance--I've thought about this from a lot of angles, and one that I'm only now giving consideration to is how the NIL and the transfer-portal have heightened parity within WBB, which has conversely reduced interest in the game in every program except those with either a high-profile superstar, or a high-profile (and, in at least one case, animated) coach that people love and love to hate.
Some of this, I think, is rooted in misogyny. Men's teams draw folks who love a good game and who tolerate losses from otherwise excellent programs. (Case in point: Our men's team has almost twice as many losses this season as the women's team, yet hasn't seen near the drop-off in attendance.) Women have to overcome so much disinterest in their game that the only way they can do so is by dominating, game-in and game-out.
Back to Coach Nicki--I believe she is such an excellent coach that could become a target for a more high-profile school if Waco's interest in our team doesn't ramp up. I hope Mack is aware of this and working to right the ship.
Women's sports, and especially women's basketball is actually growing in interest and support, so saying people just aren't interested in women's sports that much isn't jiving with attendance, tv audience and financial underwriting. Maybe people in Waco or in Texas or something more specific might fly, but not just the general statement of people just don't care.
I think there are some people who left over hurt feelings or anger or just apathy after the last coach left. People throw around derogative names for them (way to go about healing the rift and bringing them back into the fold, not to mention demonstrating God's unconditional love) but really, that is not all that unusual when a program/organization looses an iconic leader. I've even seen on here people claiming to have left the Cowboys fold when Laundry left….)
But I think one of the biggest reasons is the one that keeps getting mentioned over and over, and that is the move to the Foster Pavillion didn't suit the main audience for the women's game the same way it suited the men's crowd. Just a fact. I think there are ways to work around those issues without negatively impacting the men's experience, but there has been no observable effort to address those concerns. Either the powers that be are apathetic and don't care about the negative impact the situation is having on the team and the loyal, remaining fan base, or they are oblivious (equally condemnable, in my mind) or there is another legitimate reason wholly hidden from me and my fellow fans, in which case, may my frustration and my voicing of it be forgiven. The programs are different and the approach to problem solving and fan engagement of the two programs have to be uncoupled and considered separately.
Regardless of what exists now and what the reasons are for it, I hope those that can come will do so. The Foster is actually a fun place to enjoy a game and the women are playing hard and the band and cheer squads and the loyal fans there are trying our best to create an entertaining experience.
SIC'EM!
I think there are some people who left over hurt feelings or anger or just apathy after the last coach left. People throw around derogative names for them (way to go about healing the rift and bringing them back into the fold, not to mention demonstrating God's unconditional love) but really, that is not all that unusual when a program/organization looses an iconic leader. I've even seen on here people claiming to have left the Cowboys fold when Laundry left….)
But I think one of the biggest reasons is the one that keeps getting mentioned over and over, and that is the move to the Foster Pavillion didn't suit the main audience for the women's game the same way it suited the men's crowd. Just a fact. I think there are ways to work around those issues without negatively impacting the men's experience, but there has been no observable effort to address those concerns. Either the powers that be are apathetic and don't care about the negative impact the situation is having on the team and the loyal, remaining fan base, or they are oblivious (equally condemnable, in my mind) or there is another legitimate reason wholly hidden from me and my fellow fans, in which case, may my frustration and my voicing of it be forgiven. The programs are different and the approach to problem solving and fan engagement of the two programs have to be uncoupled and considered separately.
Regardless of what exists now and what the reasons are for it, I hope those that can come will do so. The Foster is actually a fun place to enjoy a game and the women are playing hard and the band and cheer squads and the loyal fans there are trying our best to create an entertaining experience.
SIC'EM!
"Misogyny" seems like an awfully strong word to use to make an otherwise great point. Misogyny, by definition, is the HATRED of women. A better word might have been sexism, but I think the best term is simple bias. Yes, men are biased toward men's sports and biased against women's sports. But that doesn't explain the dramatic drop off in female attendance in addition to male attendance for our women's team.ctxbear said:
Some of this, I think, is rooted in misogyny. Men's teams draw folks who love a good game and who tolerate losses from otherwise excellent programs. (Case in point: Our men's team has almost twice as many losses this season as the women's team, yet hasn't seen near the drop-off in attendance.) Women have to overcome so much disinterest in their game that the only way they can do so is by dominating, game-in and game-out.
I think the simple explanation is that elite programs draw big crowds. The top five to six ranked women's teams in the nation year in and year out are just a level above the rest of the pack. I love our team; I still watch all the games, but we are no longer in the elite top tier. But if we keep playing like we did last night, hopefully that will change. My hope is that CNC can get us back to a consistently top 5 program.
That is a fair critique of my use of the word.Onward Go said:"Misogyny" seems like an awfully strong word to use to make an otherwise great point. Misogyny, by definition, is the HATRED of women. A better word might have been sexism, but I think the best term is simple bias. Yes, men are biased toward men's sports and biased against women's sports. But that doesn't explain the dramatic drop off in female attendance in addition to male attendance for our women's team.ctxbear said:
Some of this, I think, is rooted in misogyny. Men's teams draw folks who love a good game and who tolerate losses from otherwise excellent programs. (Case in point: Our men's team has almost twice as many losses this season as the women's team, yet hasn't seen near the drop-off in attendance.) Women have to overcome so much disinterest in their game that the only way they can do so is by dominating, game-in and game-out.
I think the simple explanation is that elite programs draw big crowds. The top five to six ranked women's teams in the nation year in and year out are just a level above the rest of the pack. I love our team; I still watch all the games, but we are no longer in the elite top tier. But if we keep playing like we did last night, hopefully that will change. My hope is that CNC can get us back to a consistently top 5 program.
I think CNC is having a solid year. I also think we should have won last night by about 16-18. My main frustration is with the discipline of the players. We have way more talent that many teams, but I think we have a tendency to often to play to their level and have, at times, struggled to put away inferior teams. I think we are much better than WV. I think that was proven last night, but could have been a statement win had we pushed the needle a bit.
As far as future potential, I do think that CNC looks more towards the development of her players for the next level than Mulkey ever did. I've mentioned it time and time again. Mulkey's WNBA successes have been few and far between. The college and pro game are different. Our current and former coach more than showcase that difference. Even Mulkey at LSU. Sure Reese has so far had a successful single season at the next level. But she is more popular than good, with the majority of her rebounds coming on her own misses from point blank distance. She never developed an outside shot, and her free throw percentage is not great. If she doesn't improve, she'll quickly learn that others are developing and extending their game outside of the social media posts that garner so much attention.
But yes. I think we should be 10-1 and in sole possession of first place. The OKState game we weren't going to win. I don't think we were prepared and they caught us on an off night. I think we could and should have won the TCU game. Got behind too much too early and ran out of time with the comeback. I am still concerned with in game decisions and halftime changes to thwart the opponent. But I also think that Baylor has done better year over year, and hopefully she is still finding her way. Still waiting on a power player to sign out of high school. And I wish she would develop some plays to get the post involved when we start missing from long range. But all in all, the team has adapted and is peaking at the right time. Hopefully Bella can stay hot and we can avoid the injury bug. Time will tell, but maybe we can extend our win streak by another 5 games.
As far as future potential, I do think that CNC looks more towards the development of her players for the next level than Mulkey ever did. I've mentioned it time and time again. Mulkey's WNBA successes have been few and far between. The college and pro game are different. Our current and former coach more than showcase that difference. Even Mulkey at LSU. Sure Reese has so far had a successful single season at the next level. But she is more popular than good, with the majority of her rebounds coming on her own misses from point blank distance. She never developed an outside shot, and her free throw percentage is not great. If she doesn't improve, she'll quickly learn that others are developing and extending their game outside of the social media posts that garner so much attention.
But yes. I think we should be 10-1 and in sole possession of first place. The OKState game we weren't going to win. I don't think we were prepared and they caught us on an off night. I think we could and should have won the TCU game. Got behind too much too early and ran out of time with the comeback. I am still concerned with in game decisions and halftime changes to thwart the opponent. But I also think that Baylor has done better year over year, and hopefully she is still finding her way. Still waiting on a power player to sign out of high school. And I wish she would develop some plays to get the post involved when we start missing from long range. But all in all, the team has adapted and is peaking at the right time. Hopefully Bella can stay hot and we can avoid the injury bug. Time will tell, but maybe we can extend our win streak by another 5 games.
blackie said:I wish we lived close to Waco. We would try to be at every WBB game. I think it would be really interesting if we could find out from everyone who used to go that no longer does, the reason.IowaBear said:
Attendance is interesting because I really thought downsizing would help both programs. It's really only helped the men's. But I fully expected the Foster to give the girls a true HC advantage and that hasn't played out yet.
I'm not sure we can blame it on ticket prices either. I looked last night before tip on stubhub and there were hundred and hundred of seats available under $15.00 available. And the photo posted by I believe Geewego minutes after tip was pathetic. Looked like maybe 2k there.
I can throw out some of those reasons, mostly excuses, you might hear. Please note that some in the list below are what you would be told, not necessarily standing up to fact.
- I came because I liked KM and if she isn't there, I don't care because I really don't like sports.
- My family situation has changed such that going to games is either too expensive, the time conflicts don't allow going or I went because my kids wanted to go and they have grown up.
- The team doesn't win enough.
- I am dead.
- My health has declined to the point I can't get out.
- I moved away.
- I don't like Mack Rhoades so I don't want to support Baylor athletics.
- The coach doesn't know what she is doing.
- It is easier to watch the game on streaming devices or TV from home.
- They don't deserve my support because they haven't earned it.
- We don't play any games worth paying to watch.
- They play like a junior-high team.
- We don't have highly recruited players whose names I recognize.
- KM is at LSU. I had rather follow her there.
- KM is no longer at Baylor and she is the only coach that can have success at Baylor.
- Baylor didn't bring in my choice as coach as KM's replacement.
- Baylor only wanted to go cheap.
- Baylor only wants to be mediocre and not be a big-time program in anything (this is for the middle of the pack guy)
- It is just the way of the world now. NIL and the portal has killed it for me.
That list is pretty long but I suspect covers most of it. Most of them are BS if what you care about is the WBB team and program versus all the BS around administration and politics.
I would like to hear of others someone may think of that I haven't listed.
because of inflation the cost of blue hair dye has made going WBB cost prohibitive
I wonder if age is a factor. Always felt like a good chunk of those who attended when Mulkey was here were older. Perhaps that portion of the fanbase has gotten to the age where attending just isn't as feasible anymore? Distance I'm sure also plays a role. Reading these boards over the years it seems apparent a good chunk of the fanbase lives outside of Waco. Regardless it would be nice to have a larger portion of the fanbase in attendance. That said it would be hypocritical of me to complain. I've yet to make it to a home game. I do get to the game at ISU and the KSU and KU games on a regular basis
I think for a lot of us it is not a case of not wanting to go or trying to find an excuse to not go, but being physically able to go. And yes, we know the fanbase during the late Mulkey years was heavily the older folks. I miss going to the games (just like I miss a lot of other trips that we took when we were younger).IowaBear said:
I wonder if age is a factor. Always felt like a good chunk of those who attended when Mulkey was here were older. Perhaps that portion of the fanbase has gotten to the age where attending just isn't as feasible anymore? Distance I'm sure also plays a role. Reading these boards over the years it seems apparent a good chunk of the fanbase lives outside of Waco. Regardless it would be nice to have a larger portion of the fanbase in attendance. That said it would be hypocritical of me to complain. I've yet to make it to a home game. I do get to the game at ISU and the KSU and KU games on a regular basis
I appreciate your observations.bawitdaball said:
I think CNC is having a solid year. I also think we should have won last night by about 16-18. My main frustration is with the discipline of the players. We have way more talent that many teams, but I think we have a tendency to often to play to their level and have, at times, struggled to put away inferior teams. I think we are much better than WV. I think that was proven last night, but could have been a statement win had we pushed the needle a bit.
As far as future potential, I do think that CNC looks more towards the development of her players for the next level than Mulkey ever did. I've mentioned it time and time again. Mulkey's WNBA successes have been few and far between. The college and pro game are different. Our current and former coach more than showcase that difference. Even Mulkey at LSU. Sure Reese has so far had a successful single season at the next level. But she is more popular than good, with the majority of her rebounds coming on her own misses from point blank distance. She never developed an outside shot, and her free throw percentage is not great. If she doesn't improve, she'll quickly learn that others are developing and extending their game outside of the social media posts that garner so much attention.
But yes. I think we should be 10-1 and in sole possession of first place. The OKState game we weren't going to win. I don't think we were prepared and they caught us on an off night. I think we could and should have won the TCU game. Got behind too much too early and ran out of time with the comeback. I am still concerned with in game decisions and halftime changes to thwart the opponent. But I also think that Baylor has done better year over year, and hopefully she is still finding her way. Still waiting on a power player to sign out of high school. And I wish she would develop some plays to get the post involved when we start missing from long range. But all in all, the team has adapted and is peaking at the right time. Hopefully Bella can stay hot and we can avoid the injury bug. Time will tell, but maybe we can extend our win streak by another 5 games.
I don't know specifically of what you are referring to, but in the post game presser she talked about some things that were changed at halftime based on what was happening in the first half with the press and potential fatigue of Jada and what they were doing to get Vonleh involved. I guess I don't see the things you are seeing. Perhaps there is only so much you can do between halves. I remember one time with KM when we were playing at Arkansas and they drove to the basket and either scored or got fouled time and time again and we never made an adjustment to try to take that away. We lost that game.
I think in some of the games she has intentionally played the starters less to be save legs for tougher games she knows are coming up and that has kept some of the margin of victories lower. I know KM did not do that. If the subs were allowing the lead to shrink even if it was sitting at 30, she would put starters back in. I think CNC is just concerned about a victory, not the margin of victory.
I would agree with some of the ridiculous looking passes that we sometimes see, especially from Sarah, but then you see her zip one to Bella for a three. I guess it is a case of what you might lose if you put too tight a string on them. But I am not a basketball coach. I don't think I have ever watched a Baylor men's or women's team where I didn't yell at the TV when something stupid happens. I do see it from other teams in other games, but they aren't my team so I just watch quietly. I don't know that we are worse than others. I just hate it when a possession is wasted, especially if it comes right after we steal the ball.
I think Nicki has done a great job with what she walked into at Baylor. She knew it was going to be tough. The center has held and we continue to have 20 + win seasons.
People need to watch the women play. I have season tickets and drive down from Dallas for the games. Do I like everything that goes on? No, but I love watching a team develop through the season and getting to know the women who play the game. They are Baylor family and should be supported with higher attendance.
People need to watch the women play. I have season tickets and drive down from Dallas for the games. Do I like everything that goes on? No, but I love watching a team develop through the season and getting to know the women who play the game. They are Baylor family and should be supported with higher attendance.
I am a coach NC fan. She seems so knowledgeable about the game. At times, I don't understand her substitutions, but she has to live or die with the results.
She must take the next step in promoting and securing funds to recruit a top level team. All of a sudden TCU is attracting blue chip players for the single reason of ample funding for recruiting. The LSU guard did not move to Fort Worth to visit Cowtown. She is getting paid to promote and play TCU basketball. Players and their families will chase two things from here on out, dollars in NCAA and a potential WNBA career that leads to endorsements. BU has a blue chip history and a new arena. One piece of the puzzle, the corner piece, must be immediately improved so that the next 6'8" center with athletic prowess chooses BU over S. Carolina. There is no loyalty to even UConn or Texas, only money matters. Will the BU athletic department provide her with the same support as MBB on a proportional scale to wbb competition?
The next recruiting cycle is crucial.
She must take the next step in promoting and securing funds to recruit a top level team. All of a sudden TCU is attracting blue chip players for the single reason of ample funding for recruiting. The LSU guard did not move to Fort Worth to visit Cowtown. She is getting paid to promote and play TCU basketball. Players and their families will chase two things from here on out, dollars in NCAA and a potential WNBA career that leads to endorsements. BU has a blue chip history and a new arena. One piece of the puzzle, the corner piece, must be immediately improved so that the next 6'8" center with athletic prowess chooses BU over S. Carolina. There is no loyalty to even UConn or Texas, only money matters. Will the BU athletic department provide her with the same support as MBB on a proportional scale to wbb competition?
The next recruiting cycle is crucial.
I said this in another post, but it is going to be hard in WBB to raise Baylor up to the level of notoriety to attract players that want to up their personal brand. Regardless of KM, LSU is an international brand, and the fact they've been winning makes it that more attractive to brands, etc. I believe HVL went to play for a coach she knew. She had a lot of national deals follow her there.
All we can do is win, and hopefully make it bad to that national spotlight that gives these girls and opportunity to build their brand and take that part to the next level.
All we can do is win, and hopefully make it bad to that national spotlight that gives these girls and opportunity to build their brand and take that part to the next level.
What about the marketing? Putting rear ends in seats is a marketing issue.
Billboards?
Free ticket giveaways (including having season ticket holders make donations of quality seats)?
On-campus banners/displays?
Pre-game freebies (including meals, whether it's pizza, tacos, Gut-Packs or whatever)?
Get buy-in from local broadcasters to make frequent references to getting out and cheering our fine WBB team?
How do our MBB and WBB marketing efforts compare? How do we address that?
Finally, can we build a cult following around CNC??
Mulkey was (and remains) a legendary WBB figure, going back to her playing days. That led to a cult that surrounds her and which travels with her. That cannot be replicated, but the more that is done to personify CNC and promote her in the community (and the state), then the better it will be for our WBB.
That includes the visual image: Do not try to mimic Mulkey's stylish and varied wardrobe (or histrionics), but CNC might adopt a singular style that is personal to her--maybe always wearing a gold top with green slacks, or whatever works for her and can become iconic.
Billboards?
Free ticket giveaways (including having season ticket holders make donations of quality seats)?
On-campus banners/displays?
Pre-game freebies (including meals, whether it's pizza, tacos, Gut-Packs or whatever)?
Get buy-in from local broadcasters to make frequent references to getting out and cheering our fine WBB team?
How do our MBB and WBB marketing efforts compare? How do we address that?
Finally, can we build a cult following around CNC??
Mulkey was (and remains) a legendary WBB figure, going back to her playing days. That led to a cult that surrounds her and which travels with her. That cannot be replicated, but the more that is done to personify CNC and promote her in the community (and the state), then the better it will be for our WBB.
That includes the visual image: Do not try to mimic Mulkey's stylish and varied wardrobe (or histrionics), but CNC might adopt a singular style that is personal to her--maybe always wearing a gold top with green slacks, or whatever works for her and can become iconic.
You and I live too far away to know if the things I bolded above are being done. Can someone who lives in the area tell us if these things are being done. I know when I use to be able to drive down and around Waco there were billboards on I35 and giveaways.BearlyBeloved said:
What about the marketing? Putting rear ends in seats is a marketing issue.
Billboards?
Free ticket giveaways (including having season ticket holders make donations of quality seats)?
On-campus banners/displays?
Pre-game freebies (including meals, whether it's pizza, tacos, Gut-Packs or whatever)?
Get buy-in from local broadcasters to make frequent references to getting out and cheering our fine WBB team?
How do our MBB and WBB marketing efforts compare? How do we address that?
Finally, can we build a cult following around CNC??
Mulkey was (and remains) a legendary WBB figure, going back to her playing days. That led to a cult that surrounds her and which travels with her. That cannot be replicated, but the more that is done to personify CNC and promote her in the community (and the state), then the better it will be for our WBB.
That includes the visual image: Do not try to mimic Mulkey's stylish and varied wardrobe (or histrionics), but CNC might adopt a singular style that is personal to her--maybe always wearing a gold top with green slacks, or whatever works for her and can become iconic.
And as someone mentioned in another thread perhaps the bank commercials are an entry into some of the community marketing.
edit:
I feel this team is really starting to get the vibe that we had prior to the Griner era. I don't include the immediate aftermath of the 2005 championship as we slipped back some from that and the first championship a bit, at least from my view as something that really wasn't expected and felt somewhat as a novelty versus something that could continue and the team remain a consistent national player.
They are fun to watch even though I sometimes have to scream at the TV. And sure there are some frustrations, but I saw that with our best teams. I really wish the locals would get excited about the program and get past the Mulkey breakup. It does no way any good to dwell on it. We are starting to find our way with football again after its downfall. The girls deserve it.
But a lot does depend on what the roster looks like next year, and especially after Buggs and Bella are gone as to whether we are back on track or not.
Billboards?blackie said:You and I live too far away to know if the things I bolded above are being done. Can someone who lives in the area tell us if these things are being done. I know when I use to be able to drive down and around Waco there were billboards on I35 and giveaways.BearlyBeloved said:
What about the marketing? Putting rear ends in seats is a marketing issue.
Billboards?
Free ticket giveaways (including having season ticket holders make donations of quality seats)?
On-campus banners/displays?
Pre-game freebies (including meals, whether it's pizza, tacos, Gut-Packs or whatever)?
Get buy-in from local broadcasters to make frequent references to getting out and cheering our fine WBB team?
There is a billboard coming into town from the north advertising both men and women. It's probably about the most viewed billboard in town, but I'm not sure if an interstate billboard is what you want to go with.
Free ticket giveaways (including having season ticket holders make donations of quality seats)?
In a non-con game, Coach Nicki "bought" tickets to give away. I don't think it was utilized by fans.
On-campus banners/displays?
I'm not on campus much, so I'm not sure about on-campus traditional advertisement. But I do know that the team often goes around campus doing promotional activities, recording them for social media.
Pre-game freebies (including meals, whether it's pizza, tacos, Gut-Packs or whatever)?
I don't think so.
Get buy-in from local broadcasters to make frequent references to getting out and cheering our fine WBB team?
I think this would work about as well as taking out an ad in the Waco Trib. Which is to say, anyone it would work on (older people) is already going to the game or has reasons for not going to the games that no traditional media gimmick is going to overcome.
Honestly, there's one thing I think would work that has been done before in previous seasons, but I'm not sure how much it's been done this season: Get Scott Drew to help promote the women's game. I think he's one of the only local personalities that could effectively use his influence.
I think this is an absolutely wonderful idea. Does anyone have an "in" with Baylor that could push this or how us fans could cause it to happen. Once again, absolutely wonderful idea.ctxbear said:blackie said:You and I live too far away to know if the things I bolded above are being done. Can someone who lives in the area tell us if these things are being done. I know when I use to be able to drive down and around Waco there were billboards on I35 and giveaways.BearlyBeloved said:
What about the marketing? Putting rear ends in seats is a marketing issue.
Billboards?
Free ticket giveaways (including having season ticket holders make donations of quality seats)?
On-campus banners/displays?
Pre-game freebies (including meals, whether it's pizza, tacos, Gut-Packs or whatever)?
Get buy-in from local broadcasters to make frequent references to getting out and cheering our fine WBB team?
Honestly, there's one thing I think would work that has been done before in previous seasons, but I'm not sure how much it's been done this season: Get Scott Drew to help promote the women's game. I think he's one of the only local personalities that could effectively use his influence.
Spot on. Solid analysis. Hot shooting cures all ills, but what do you do to manufacture points on an off night.
Ask Davion to give you a break?85bear said:
what do you do to manufacture points on an off night.
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