JVG is improving at point guard each game. She is looking more comfortable and making much quicker and better decisions.
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4yrletterbear said:
JVG is improving at point guard each game. She is looking more comfortable and making much quicker and better decisions.
She is doing better in general. If she can keep dropping 3 point shots it will be very helpful to open things up a bit more for the offense.
Yes Jana is definitely improving and playing with more confidence . It does take time to come back from an ACL injury. Some people believed she should have come back in the early games and play like she did last year and that is not realistic. It takes time to get used to playing and get your confidence back after not playing for a year. Some gave her no grace.
I guess I'm one of the odd ones that really like Jana, always have. First thing I noticed about her when she arrived in 22/23 was that she is an elite passer, still is. It's taken her a bit to get 'warmed up' this season since returning from her injury but she's very much more than an adequate PG, I think the Lady Bears are lucky to have her. This team doesn't need her to be a scorer, just a good enough threat to score if left unguarded, which she is. Looking at her current stats her Assist to Turnover ratio is a little better than 3:1 (54/17)....not setting the house on fire but a good solid number & easily good enough to avoid all the hate she gets on here. Anyway, I'm a Jana fan.
Sic'em Jana!
Sic'em Jana!
I agree. If people would pay attention, they would see that Jana does things that do not show up on the scoreboard. She is an excellent passer and has many assists, she rarely turns over the ball. She often acts as an " on the court coach" and directs players where to go on the court.
She is an important part of this team and disappointing that she received no grace from some on this board after returning from a very serious injury.
She is an important part of this team and disappointing that she received no grace from some on this board after returning from a very serious injury.
Go rewatch the Baylor beat down of SE Louisiana (only first half needed……D in second half got sloppy as it will in a blowout). Count the number of SE LA straight line drives for a bucket. Two. Who gave up both?
SE LA only scored 20 points. The majority were broken plays after rebounds or transition buckets. But two buckets were a specific defender in a set guarding position and the O ball handler simply blowing by that defender as though she was stuck in mud.
Investigate it and report back.
SE LA only scored 20 points. The majority were broken plays after rebounds or transition buckets. But two buckets were a specific defender in a set guarding position and the O ball handler simply blowing by that defender as though she was stuck in mud.
Investigate it and report back.
Adriacus Peratuun said:
Go rewatch the Baylor beat down of SE Louisiana (only first half needed……D in second half got sloppy as it will in a blowout). Count the number of SE LA straight line drives for a bucket. Two. Who gave up both?
SE LA only scored 20 points. The majority were broken plays after rebounds or transition buckets. But two buckets were a specific defender in a set guarding position and the O ball handler simply blowing by that defender as though she was stuck in mud.
Investigate it and report back.
It's really sad how you seem determined to tear down and destroy a Baylor student athlete. Sad and shameful.
Delmar 2.0 said:Adriacus Peratuun said:
Go rewatch the Baylor beat down of SE Louisiana (only first half needed……D in second half got sloppy as it will in a blowout). Count the number of SE LA straight line drives for a bucket. Two. Who gave up both?
SE LA only scored 20 points. The majority were broken plays after rebounds or transition buckets. But two buckets were a specific defender in a set guarding position and the O ball handler simply blowing by that defender as though she was stuck in mud.
Investigate it and report back.
It's really sad how you seem determined to tear down and destroy a Baylor student athlete. Sad and shameful.
Sad and shameful is expecting people to sugarcoat opinions.
Sad and shameful is expecting sports opinions on a sports board to only be Pollyanna Positive.
Sad and shameful is to ignore specific objectively visible (and identified) game realities.
are we now supposed to say that missed shots are makes?
turnovers are assists?
bad play is good play?
or are we still allowed to engage in free speech, the free discourse of ideas, the free exchange of opinions, and the free ability to analyze performance?
or besides appointing yourself the arbiter of board behavior are you also appointing yourself judge, jury, and executioner?
Jana has a good assist to turnover ratio, she is a good leader on the floor, she's an elite passer, and she's a more than adequate shooter. Overall she is a net positive to the team. She's also a human being and is going to make mistakes. The fact that you are now doubling down on tearing down a student athlete is really troubling.
Delmar 2.0 said:
Jana has a good assist to turnover ratio, she is a good leader on the floor, she's an elite passer, and she's a more than adequate shooter. Overall she is a net positive to the team. She's also a human being and is going to make mistakes. The fact that you are now doubling down on tearing down a student athlete is really troubling.
So pointing out specific in game play is tearing down a player? LMFAO
And BTW, that objectively wasn't a Double Down. The first post was about her play, the second post was about you appointing yourself arbiter of posting.
Maybe don't use gambling terms you don't understand.
Adriacus Peratuun said:Delmar 2.0 said:
Jana has a good assist to turnover ratio, she is a good leader on the floor, she's an elite passer, and she's a more than adequate shooter. Overall she is a net positive to the team. She's also a human being and is going to make mistakes. The fact that you are now doubling down on tearing down a student athlete is really troubling.
So pointing out specific in game play is tearing down a player?
No, its what you say about her in the game threads. You apparently think she must be perfect to get playing time. No turnovers, no missed shots. Nothing.
Here's some of your gems so far this season in your quest to tear JVG down:
"JVG simply needs to never play again"
"...JVG must have incriminating photos of someone"
"My God get her the F off the court!!!"
"For the Love of God PLEASE pull JVG. SHE IS TERRIBLE."
"Any other player. Any other player. Any other player"
Delmar 2.0 said:Adriacus Peratuun said:Delmar 2.0 said:
Jana has a good assist to turnover ratio, she is a good leader on the floor, she's an elite passer, and she's a more than adequate shooter. Overall she is a net positive to the team. She's also a human being and is going to make mistakes. The fact that you are now doubling down on tearing down a student athlete is really troubling.
So pointing out specific in game play is tearing down a player?
No, its what you say about her in the game threads. You apparently think she must be perfect to get playing time. No turnovers, no missed shots. Nothing.
Here's some of your gems so far this season in your quest to tear JVG down:
"JVG simply needs to never play again"
"...JVG must have incriminating photos of someone"
"My God get her the F off the court!!!"
"For the Love of God PLEASE pull JVG. SHE IS TERRIBLE."
"Any other player. Any other player. Any other player"
here is the basis…….30% from the field, 30% from 3, 4 ppg
and hands down the worst defender in the rotation.
please use those stats to show me where I am wrong.
Adriacus Peratuun said:Delmar 2.0 said:Adriacus Peratuun said:Delmar 2.0 said:
Jana has a good assist to turnover ratio, she is a good leader on the floor, she's an elite passer, and she's a more than adequate shooter. Overall she is a net positive to the team. She's also a human being and is going to make mistakes. The fact that you are now doubling down on tearing down a student athlete is really troubling.
So pointing out specific in game play is tearing down a player?
No, its what you say about her in the game threads. You apparently think she must be perfect to get playing time. No turnovers, no missed shots. Nothing.
Here's some of your gems so far this season in your quest to tear JVG down:
"JVG simply needs to never play again"
"...JVG must have incriminating photos of someone"
"My God get her the F off the court!!!"
"For the Love of God PLEASE pull JVG. SHE IS TERRIBLE."
"Any other player. Any other player. Any other player"
here is the basis…….30% from the field, 30% from 3, 4 ppg
and hands down the worst defender in the rotation.
please use those stats to show me where I am wrong.
I did in the 4th post on this thread.
54/17
also, they don't need her to be a scorer, I said that before, so her 4 points is moot
Delmar 2.0 said:Adriacus Peratuun said:Delmar 2.0 said:Adriacus Peratuun said:Delmar 2.0 said:
Jana has a good assist to turnover ratio, she is a good leader on the floor, she's an elite passer, and she's a more than adequate shooter. Overall she is a net positive to the team. She's also a human being and is going to make mistakes. The fact that you are now doubling down on tearing down a student athlete is really troubling.
So pointing out specific in game play is tearing down a player?
No, its what you say about her in the game threads. You apparently think she must be perfect to get playing time. No turnovers, no missed shots. Nothing.
Here's some of your gems so far this season in your quest to tear JVG down:
"JVG simply needs to never play again"
"...JVG must have incriminating photos of someone"
"My God get her the F off the court!!!"
"For the Love of God PLEASE pull JVG. SHE IS TERRIBLE."
"Any other player. Any other player. Any other player"
here is the basis…….30% from the field, 30% from 3, 4 ppg
and hands down the worst defender in the rotation.
please use those stats to show me where I am wrong.
I did in the 4th post on this thread.
54/17
also, they don't need her to be a scorer, I said that before, so her 4 points is moot
So UTSA playing a 2-3 zone and not guarding her at the Top of the Key while covering both wings and going 3 on 2 in the paint didn't bring our O to an effective halt? Notice why she consistently got open jumpers?
Notice who was playing at the beginning of the 4th when the team finally turned that 10 point lead into a 20 point lead?
Jana was in during the 4th quarter when they cut the lead to 9 because it was her layup followed by a Deng 3 that pushed it back to 14. Yes, her FG percentage is terrible but it is coming up in recent games as she gets more comfortable with her knee and in her role. She has never started and now as a 5th yr senior is being asked to do something she has never done since HS. Hopefully she will continue to grow in her judgment and gameplay. Game experience matters and she is getting it. Also, she has proven she can hit a late pressure shot which she did after the Duke game when she had had a terrible game and was Ofer on the day ( maybe 1 more) and still stepped up and made that 3 with a defender closing in on her at the end to give us some needed cushion and she hit the end of game FTs that won us a game last year. Other than Taliah, I would probably want her shooting late game FTs more than anyone else on the team. We need more players who can convert under pressure. Our non-Taliah stars have not played well in our bigger games and we need them to step up too. Everyone on this team gets straight line drove but I'm sure you are right that she leads the top 8 in that category. Her D is a definite weakness but before she hurt her knee she was playing better on D and playing the passing lanes better. She was 4 of 8 from 3 this game while the rest of the team was 4 of 19 so if she can hit at 35+% clip like she did before her injury that will help spacing and open up our inside game. I hope we can find a good ball handling defensive PG at the winter break because I think Taliah plays best as off guard and that would take some pressure off both. Anyway, we are limited in our options with both Ines and Ella coming off major injuries and we will have to be patient with them too while they find their legs so I will cheer Jana and hope she can continue to improve.
Dcheetah said:
Jana was in during the 4th quarter when they cut the lead to 9 because it was her layup followed by a Deng 3 that pushed it back to 14. Yes, her FG percentage is terrible but it is coming up in recent games as she gets more comfortable with her knee and in her role. She has never started and now as a 5th yr senior is being asked to do something she has never done since HS. Hopefully she will continue to grow in her judgment and gameplay. Game experience matters and she is getting it. Also, she has proven she can hit a late pressure shot which she did after the Duke game when she had had a terrible game and was Ofer on the day ( maybe 1 more) and still stepped up and made that 3 with a defender closing in on her at the end to give us some needed cushion and she hit the end of game FTs that won us a game last year. Other than Taliah, I would probably want her shooting late game FTs more than anyone else on the team. We need more players who can convert under pressure. Our non-Taliah stars have not played well in our bigger games and we need them to step up too. Everyone on this team gets straight line drove but I'm sure you are right that she leads the top 8 in that category. Her D is a definite weakness but before she hurt her knee she was playing better on D and playing the passing lanes better. She was 4 of 8 from 3 this game while the rest of the team was 4 of 19 so if she can hit at 35+% clip like she did before her injury that will help spacing and open up our inside game. I hope we can find a good ball handling defensive PG at the winter break because I think Taliah plays best as off guard and that would take some pressure off both. Anyway, we are limited in our options with both Ines and Ella coming off major injuries and we will have to be patient with them too while they find their legs so I will cheer Jana and hope she can continue to improve.
Not saying she is a bad person. But she isn't a Top 25 caliber starter. Not close. To the extent she gets minutes it should be against backups. Shouldn't we put players in a position to succeed rather than in a position to fail?
Everyone keeps talking about her shooting but in all of her many college years she has never shot a high percentage. Every time I ask what basis there is to believe that she will become a game shooter at a reasonable clip the answer is either silence or "well this one time".
It isn't a harsh thing to opine that backup quality kids will find their best usage as backups.
If UT and Rory Harmon light her up like a Christmas Tree can the crowd finally stop the Defend At All Cost wagon circling?
Cause folks…….it is going to get really really really really ugly.
Not wishing it, acknowledging it.
With the players we have available, what would you do differently? Taliah full time PG and a different guard? Marcayla very good on D and inside the arc but so far very poor outside the arc and teams would pack the paint even more against her. Her passing is not as good either. At least we have some rim protection this year to help cover mistakes. We are going t mix and match a lot on D so I suspect we will see alot of Taliah on Rori and probably an even bigger concern is Madison Booker, not sure we have anyone who can cover her. Jana's other teammates are going to have to step up in this game to have any chance. We can't have Bella going 1 or 2 for 10 and just playing good D. DLB did well against them in her early career but can't have a no show game like she has a few times this year. Roei might be Jana's best chance because she sure can't D Booker. At least Jana would have some help at the rim. Knowing we are going to need some points to win because we won't win this one like the Duke game, what would you do?
Dcheetah said:
With the players we have available, what would you do differently? Taliah full time PG and a different guard? Marcayla very good on D and inside the arc but so far very poor outside the arc and teams would pack the paint even more against her. Her passing is not as good either. At least we have some rim protection this year to help cover mistakes. We are going t mix and match a lot on D so I suspect we will see alot of Taliah on Rori and probably an even bigger concern is Madison Booker, not sure we have anyone who can cover her. Jana's other teammates are going to have to step up in this game to have any chance. We can't have Bella going 1 or 2 for 10 and just playing good D. DLB did well against them in her early career but can't have a no show game like she has a few times this year. Roei might be Jana's best chance because she sure can't D Booker. At least Jana would have some help at the rim. Knowing we are going to need some points to win because we won't win this one like the Duke game, what would you do?
Starters:
Buggs, Fontleroy, Johnson (Duncanville version), Scott and Deng. 5 shooters. Each need to play 30+ minutes.
other 50ish minutes divided between Abraham (about 20), other Johnson (about 20), and JVG (about 10).
Shape rotation so that perimeter subs never play together. Deng's 10 minutes on bench never to coincide with Fontleroy's 10 minutes on bench. Need minimum of three outside threats at all times.
pray for divine intervention to deliver us (1) a quality ball handler who can routinely win dribble penetration, (2) another shooter, and (3) some PG D.
avoid foul trouble.
teach Buggs what is and what is not a quality shot at various points in the shot clock.
seek more divine intervention.
AND FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY WORK ON ZONE O. FT LINE, SHORT CORNER, DRIBBLE ATTACK ON SEAMS. EVERY TIME WE SEE A ZONE IT IS LIKE EVERY PLAYER HAS NEVER SEEN A ZONE D BEFORE. ZONE O IS LEARNED AS A TEAM. ALL THOSE HIGH SCHOOL AAU GYM HOURS ADD NOTHING.
I suspect the lineup you have listed as starters is probably the lineup we will see the most but I bet that JVG will start and if it looks bad early, then you will see that rotation most of the game if it is close. We need exactly what you are asking for.
Just listened to today's postgame conference and just sounds like Nicki is planning on JVG getting a lot of time so let's hope for continued growth and for her to hit her outside shots if left open and are other players to do their part to lessen the load. I will say that if Rori has a big game, JVGcertainly won't be the last player that happens to.
JVG had an EXCELLENT game today.
Her offensive numbers were very good...and
Her defense was the best so far this year. She had a number of deflected balls which tells us her knee is feeling better and she is anticipating the passing lanes.
Her offensive numbers were very good...and
Her defense was the best so far this year. She had a number of deflected balls which tells us her knee is feeling better and she is anticipating the passing lanes.
Sorry, you free board folks have had to deal with AP for so long. He has now come back to the premium side and we understand your pain…..
Team JVG for life!!!!!
Team JVG for life!!!!!
Glad she is improving, but the competition is lacking. I want to see improvement versus actual good teams.
Adriacus Peratuun said:
...But she isn't a Top 25 caliber starter. Not close....
She has started every game for us, and we are currently ranked #14.
Coach clearly understands JVG and how to use and challenge her
Gametime said:
Glad she is improving, but the competition is lacking. I want to see improvement versus actual good teams.
You'll get your wish next weekend, when we play Texas instead of Directional U.
May not be the desired outcome you're looking for, however.
That game might get ugly real fast.
I hope not.
Bear_Fan254 said:
Sorry, you free board folks have had to deal with AP for so long. He has now come back to the premium side and we understand your pain…..
Team JVG for life!!!!!
Everybody needs to listen to AP. He is THE WBB AUTHORITY. There is none like him in all the land. Geno, Kim & Dawn call him on regular basis to get advice.
LTBear19 said:Gametime said:
Glad she is improving, but the competition is lacking. I want to see improvement versus actual good teams.
You'll get your wish next weekend, when we play Texas instead of Directional U.
May not be the desired outcome you're looking for, however.
That game might get ugly real fast.
I hope not.
I think outside of the top 6 teams in the country (Maryland may be there to make it 7, but yesterday's game wasn't impressive), anybody else that plays one of those top six is more likely than not is going to have their game potentially get "ugly". It just appears there is a gap between those teams and the next tier which is the rest of the top 25 and a few more. I would be totally surprised to see anyone not currently ranked in the top 6 end up in the FF barring key injuries. From what I have seen there is just to big a talent level gap between those teams and everybody else. Not to say an upset cannot happen, but overall the gap is there.
Those top ones have been able to benefit more from NIL and the portal because of their coach, their large NIL base and their reputations. Parity was coming up from the bottom before free agency and free money and I think it appears that those top 5 or 6 are somewhat immune because they have the money to get whoever they want.
Your comment concerning "Directional U" got my curiosity to look up strength of schedules thus far. Of course the top strength of schedules fall primarily to the "directional U" teams since they get a boost from playing P4 type teams. But just looking at the conference, Baylor is 112, TCU is 161 and ISU is 344. So, ours has been somewhat tougher overall, but to reaffirm my comments earlier, depending on what you call ugly, I think teams in the second tier will be doing well to keep the loss to those top ones to single digits even up to 15, with only a few scattered upsets. Hopefully our game with UT will be one of those, but I generally don't see it.
blackie said:LTBear19 said:Gametime said:
Glad she is improving, but the competition is lacking. I want to see improvement versus actual good teams.
You'll get your wish next weekend, when we play Texas instead of Directional U.
May not be the desired outcome you're looking for, however.
That game might get ugly real fast.
I hope not.
I think outside of the top 6 teams in the country (Maryland may be there to make it 7, but yesterday's game wasn't impressive), anybody else that plays one of those top six is more likely than not is going to have their game potentially get "ugly". It just appears there is a gap between those teams and the next tier which is the rest of the top 25 and a few more. I would be totally surprised to see anyone not currently ranked in the top 6 end up in the FF barring key injuries. From what I have seen there is just to big a talent level gap between those teams and everybody else. Not to say an upset cannot happen, but overall the gap is there.
Those top ones have been able to benefit more from NIL and the portal because of their coach, their large NIL base and their reputations. Parity was coming up from the bottom before free agency and free money and I think it appears that those top 5 or 6 are somewhat immune because they have the money to get whoever they want.
Your comment concerning "Directional U" got my curiosity to look up strength of schedules thus far. Of course the top strength of schedules fall primarily to the "directional U" teams since they get a boost from playing P4 type teams. But just looking at the conference, Baylor is 112, TCU is 161 and ISU is 344. So, ours has been somewhat tougher overall, but to reaffirm my comments earlier, depending on what you call ugly, I think teams in the second tier will be doing well to keep the loss to those top ones to single digits even up to 15, with only a few scattered upsets. Hopefully our game with UT will be one of those, but I generally don't see it.
In our defense, at least our schedule has been a bit more challenging overall than quite a few teams (Iowa, Duke, UNLV, Texas).
It's definitely been more challenging than LSU's.
As usual, Kim has put in her large order at the sacrificial lamb center.
Six days from now the question will likely be answered.
Playing a Top 5 team that features a Top 5 PG should leave little doubt about the question.
If I am wrong I will happily admit it.
If I am right will the 254, wee, etc. types have the fortitude to admit their error and withdraw the attacks?
Judge each of us by how we handle the result.
Playing a Top 5 team that features a Top 5 PG should leave little doubt about the question.
If I am wrong I will happily admit it.
If I am right will the 254, wee, etc. types have the fortitude to admit their error and withdraw the attacks?
Judge each of us by how we handle the result.
Who the hell cares how Mulkey schedules. She's done the same stuff for decades. Has also been clear about why. They also play in the SEC the far superior league now in WBB. It's not like they aren't going to be challenged in league play on a regular basis.
Adriacus Peratuun said:
Six days from now the question will likely be answered.
Playing a Top 5 team that features a Top 5 PG should leave little doubt about the question.
If I am wrong I will happily admit it.
If I am right will the 254, wee, etc. types have the fortitude to admit their error and withdraw the attacks?
Judge each of us by how we handle the result.
Nah, because rather we win and JVG looks amazing or we lose, you will still be an insufferable "fan" who has negative sports knowledge and is wrong on nearly every topic you think you're an expert on. Plus, a one game sample size does not tell the full story and it is unfair to weirdly obsess over one player like you seem to do.
Reminds me of the time even owners of this great site were dunking on you and you scurried away to the free boards. You probably should just stay on this side of things (sorry, free board friends....)
We are not a top 3 team like Texas; we do not have a top 3 roster. I don't think anyone is expecting us to beat Texas. It is not impossible but not likely. I don't think anyone will be shocked at outcome.
Bear3 said:
We are not a top 3 team like Texas; we do not have a top 3 roster. I don't think anyone is expecting us to beat Texas. It is not impossible but not likely. I don't think anyone will be shocked at outcome.
There is a huge gap between winning and being reasonably competitive. No one mentioned winning. Expecting a Baylor WBB team to be competitive at every position isn't some huge ask.
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