Can this be correct?

NATO Estimates Steep Russian Losses in Ukraine as Biden Heads to Europe
Russia may have lost up to one-fifth of its combat force in Ukraine, alliance officials say
NATO estimates Russia may have lost as much as one-fifth of its combat forces in about a month of fighting in Ukraine as President Biden and alliance leaders gather in Brussels for a summit to discuss providing further support to Kyiv to repel the Russian invasion.
Up to 40,000 Russian troops have been killed, wounded, taken prisoner or are missing in Ukraine, said a senior military official from the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. Russia may also have lost 10% of its equipment, impairing Moscow's ability to maintain its pace of operations, said another NATO official.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/ukraine-humanitarian-crisis-worsens-as-biden-heads-to-europe-11648031069

Osodecentx said:

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Can this be correct?

NATO Estimates Steep Russian Losses in Ukraine as Biden Heads to Europe
Russia may have lost up to one-fifth of its combat force in Ukraine, alliance officials say
NATO estimates Russia may have lost as much as one-fifth of its combat forces in about a month of fighting in Ukraine as President Biden and alliance leaders gather in Brussels for a summit to discuss providing further support to Kyiv to repel the Russian invasion.
Up to 40,000 Russian troops have been killed, wounded, taken prisoner or are missing in Ukraine, said a senior military official from the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. Russia may also have lost 10% of its equipment, impairing Moscow's ability to maintain its pace of operations, said another NATO official.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/ukraine-humanitarian-crisis-worsens-as-biden-heads-to-europe-11648031069

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This kinda reminds me of Desert Storm back in 1991. Iraq's vaunted Republican Guard was supposedly one of the largest and well trained fighting forces in the world. American Forces dimantled and destroyed them in a number of days. One thing we NEVER heard during this war were Iraqi casualty numbers. I have read since that the number of dead was around 110,000.

It appears the Russian Army was grossly overrated. I would bet their forces that were sent in the first wave were conscripts that had very little training. And their hearts were probably not in this fight. I feel for the parents!

Putin may be getting very desperate. He has embarrassed himself and his country on the world stage. I hope and pray that chemical and/ or nuclear weapons don't come into play.

Osodecentx said:

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Can this be correct?

NATO Estimates Steep Russian Losses in Ukraine as Biden Heads to Europe
Russia may have lost up to one-fifth of its combat force in Ukraine, alliance officials say
NATO estimates Russia may have lost as much as one-fifth of its combat forces in about a month of fighting in Ukraine as President Biden and alliance leaders gather in Brussels for a summit to discuss providing further support to Kyiv to repel the Russian invasion.
Up to 40,000 Russian troops have been killed, wounded, taken prisoner or are missing in Ukraine, said a senior military official from the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. Russia may also have lost 10% of its equipment, impairing Moscow's ability to maintain its pace of operations, said another NATO official.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/ukraine-humanitarian-crisis-worsens-as-biden-heads-to-europe-11648031069

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40k KIA sounds impossibly high. As wounded are normally a multiple of KIA, it would mean a total casualty number of roughly 100% of their troop involvement. 40k total casualties would sound more realistic.
As a comparison, US Military total KIA in Iraq and Afghanistan= 6951

Russia's offensive superiority and inevitable victory predictions remind me of Gonzaga 2021.

ABC BEAR said:

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Russia's offensive superiority and inevitable victory predictions remind me of Gonzaga 2021.

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My Lord that was fun, wasn't it?

"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth!" -- Mike Tyson

Let's talk about what's really going on here.

US official was caught admitting that their goal is to engineer “the end of Putin regime,” thus explaining the “lack of any diplomatic effort by the US to secure a ceasefire.” Also showing that the claimed humanitarian concern for Ukrainians is a total lie https://t.co/xzDiFPdNXP

— Michael Tracey (@mtracey) March 23, 2022

ABC BEAR said:

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Russia's offensive superiority and inevitable victory predictions remind me of Gonzaga 2021.

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And hillary clinton in 2016

ABC BEAR said:

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Russia's offensive superiority and inevitable victory predictions remind me of Gonzaga 2021.

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Except in this version there is no game clock and Gonzaga has 3.5x the players and the game goes on until one team forfeits.

Doc Holliday said:

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Let's talk about what's really going on here.

US official was caught admitting that their goal is to engineer “the end of Putin regime,” thus explaining the “lack of any diplomatic effort by the US to secure a ceasefire.” Also showing that the claimed humanitarian concern for Ukrainians is a total lie https://t.co/xzDiFPdNXP

— Michael Tracey (@mtracey) March 23, 2022

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The end of the Putin regime IS a humanitarian effort. Russia doesn't need your help. Sit this one out.

So much wishful thinking .

Totally unverified estimates .

Reminds me of Walter Cronkite and his weekly Vietnam War 'body counts ' .

Canada2017 said:

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So much wishful thinking .

Totally unverified estimates .

Reminds me of Walter Cronkite and this weekly Vietnam War 'body counts ' .

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The more interesting count is how many high level officers have been lost. Last I saw it was 15.

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Osodecentx said:

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Can this be correct?

NATO Estimates Steep Russian Losses in Ukraine as Biden Heads to Europe
Russia may have lost up to one-fifth of its combat force in Ukraine, alliance officials say
NATO estimates Russia may have lost as much as one-fifth of its combat forces in about a month of fighting in Ukraine as President Biden and alliance leaders gather in Brussels for a summit to discuss providing further support to Kyiv to repel the Russian invasion.
Up to 40,000 Russian troops have been killed, wounded, taken prisoner or are missing in Ukraine, said a senior military official from the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. Russia may also have lost 10% of its equipment, impairing Moscow's ability to maintain its pace of operations, said another NATO official.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/ukraine-humanitarian-crisis-worsens-as-biden-heads-to-europe-11648031069

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This kinda reminds me of Desert Storm back in 1991. Iraq's vaunted Republican Guard was supposedly one of the largest and well trained fighting forces in the world. American Forces dimantled and destroyed them in a number of days. One thing we NEVER heard during this war were Iraqi casualty numbers. I have read since that the number of dead was around 110,000.

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We had logistical problems with the mass numbers that surrendered

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Canada2017 said:

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So much wishful thinking .

Totally unverified estimates .

Reminds me of Walter Cronkite and this weekly Vietnam War 'body counts ' .

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The more interesting count is how many high level officers have been lost. Last I saw it was 15.

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Might be 15....might be 3.

Doubt Putin cares if the real number is 50 as long as Russia wins the war.

not sure if heads are rolling yet - they will eventually - but muckety-mucks and some generals are being 'disappeared'.

to the surprise of most no one on here.

- KKM

{ sipping coffee }

{ digesting sausage }

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not sure if heads are rolling yet - they will eventually - but muckety-mucks and some generals are being 'disappeared'.

to the surprise of most no one on here.

- KKM

{ sipping coffee }

{ digesting sausage }

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HEads do literally roll in the USSR Russian Federation.

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-march-23

It's becoming more and more verified. This isn't some random number being thrown out. Data is continuing to come in from Ukraine.

ABC BEAR said:

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Russia's offensive superiority and inevitable victory predictions remind me of Gonzaga 2021.

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You win the internet today. Very well played.

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https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-march-23

It's becoming more and more verified. This isn't some random number being thrown out. Data is continuing to come in from Ukraine.

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Wait until the water main bursts at 2 am in Moscow. The entire general staff will mysteriously disappear upon recount and newly discovered casualties.

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Canada2017 said:

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So much wishful thinking .

Totally unverified estimates .

Reminds me of Walter Cronkite and this weekly Vietnam War 'body counts ' .

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The more interesting count is how many high level officers have been lost. Last I saw it was 15.

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Might be 15....might be 3.

Doubt Putin cares if the real number is 50 as long as Russia wins the war.

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It includes 4 Generals in a month. That's crazy.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10642413/Putins-15th-commander-killed-Ukrainian-forces-say-worst-deaths-brass-WWII.html

Someone needs to disappear Putin and Medvedev. And of course we want the downfall of Putin.

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Canada2017 said:

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So much wishful thinking .

Totally unverified estimates .

Reminds me of Walter Cronkite and this weekly Vietnam War 'body counts ' .

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The more interesting count is how many high level officers have been lost. Last I saw it was 15.

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Might be 15....might be 3.

Doubt Putin cares if the real number is 50 as long as Russia wins the war.

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It includes 4 Generals in a month. That's crazy.

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Not sure I would include colonels in such an assessment .


In any case its the Russians who are taking territory

Canada2017 said:

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Canon said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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So much wishful thinking .

Totally unverified estimates .

Reminds me of Walter Cronkite and this weekly Vietnam War 'body counts ' .

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The more interesting count is how many high level officers have been lost. Last I saw it was 15.

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Might be 15....might be 3.

Doubt Putin cares if the real number is 50 as long as Russia wins the war.

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It includes 4 Generals in a month. That's crazy.

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Not sure I would include colonels in such an assessment .

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So you're saying there is no Colonel of truth to the assessment?

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Canada2017 said:

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Canon said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Canon said:

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Canada2017 said:

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So much wishful thinking .

Totally unverified estimates .

Reminds me of Walter Cronkite and this weekly Vietnam War 'body counts ' .

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The more interesting count is how many high level officers have been lost. Last I saw it was 15.

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Might be 15....might be 3.

Doubt Putin cares if the real number is 50 as long as Russia wins the war.

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It includes 4 Generals in a month. That's crazy.

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Not sure I would include colonels in such an assessment .

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So you're saying there is no Colonel of truth to the assessment?

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[In Groucho Voice] And I think he should have kept that joke Private

Canon said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Let's talk about what's really going on here.

US official was caught admitting that their goal is to engineer “the end of Putin regime,” thus explaining the “lack of any diplomatic effort by the US to secure a ceasefire.” Also showing that the claimed humanitarian concern for Ukrainians is a total lie https://t.co/xzDiFPdNXP

— Michael Tracey (@mtracey) March 23, 2022

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The end of the Putin regime IS a humanitarian effort. Russia doesn't need your help. Sit this one out.

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The end of the Putin regime is the declaration of WW3, a very long war…I don't want that.

You want to push Russia into an alliance with China and parts of the Middle East in a very long and expensive prolonged proxy war?

Thousands will die in the process including children. I can't support that. The planet will be brought to its knees and the solutions will destroy our freedoms.

Doc Holliday said:

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Canon said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Let's talk about what's really going on here.

US official was caught admitting that their goal is to engineer “the end of Putin regime,” thus explaining the “lack of any diplomatic effort by the US to secure a ceasefire.” Also showing that the claimed humanitarian concern for Ukrainians is a total lie https://t.co/xzDiFPdNXP

— Michael Tracey (@mtracey) March 23, 2022

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The end of the Putin regime IS a humanitarian effort. Russia doesn't need your help. Sit this one out.

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The end of the Putin regime is the declaration of WW3, a very long war…I don't want that.

You want to push Russia into an alliance with China and parts of the Middle East in a very long and expensive prolonged proxy war?

Thousands will die in the process including children. I can't support that. The planet will be brought to its knees and the solutions will destroy our freedoms.

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Why do you assume that? The removal of Putin by other Russians should absolutely be our hope. While the Russian successor isn't assured to be better, I think that the successor is likely to be far less ambitious than Putin. The new Russian leader could make a peace deal and blame the whole fiasco on Putin.

Proud 1992 Alum said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Canon said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Let's talk about what's really going on here.

US official was caught admitting that their goal is to engineer “the end of Putin regime,” thus explaining the “lack of any diplomatic effort by the US to secure a ceasefire.” Also showing that the claimed humanitarian concern for Ukrainians is a total lie https://t.co/xzDiFPdNXP

— Michael Tracey (@mtracey) March 23, 2022

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The end of the Putin regime IS a humanitarian effort. Russia doesn't need your help. Sit this one out.

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The end of the Putin regime is the declaration of WW3, a very long war…I don't want that.

You want to push Russia into an alliance with China and parts of the Middle East in a very long and expensive prolonged proxy war?

Thousands will die in the process including children. I can't support that. The planet will be brought to its knees and the solutions will destroy our freedoms.

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Why do you assume that? The removal of Putin by other Russians should absolutely be our hope. While the Russian successor isn't assured to be better, I think that the successor is likely to be far less ambitious than Putin. The new Russian leader could make a peace deal and blame the whole fiasco on Putin.

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It's not realistic. It's ideal but I don't see it happening.

Doc Holliday said:

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Canon said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Let's talk about what's really going on here.

US official was caught admitting that their goal is to engineer “the end of Putin regime,” thus explaining the “lack of any diplomatic effort by the US to secure a ceasefire.” Also showing that the claimed humanitarian concern for Ukrainians is a total lie https://t.co/xzDiFPdNXP

— Michael Tracey (@mtracey) March 23, 2022

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The end of the Putin regime IS a humanitarian effort. Russia doesn't need your help. Sit this one out.

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The end of the Putin regime is the declaration of WW3, a very long war…I don't want that.

You want to push Russia into an alliance with China and parts of the Middle East in a very long and expensive prolonged proxy war?

Thousands will die in the process including children. I can't support that. The planet will be brought to its knees and the solutions will destroy our freedoms.

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That's been happening for years. Russia is striking out at Ukraine because they know they're a dying empire, squeezed by Europe in the West and China in the East. They'll be a slave not just an ally to China if they keep this course of action. They are ruthless at taking advantage of your vulnerabilities.

Doc Holliday said:

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Proud 1992 Alum said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Canon said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Let's talk about what's really going on here.

US official was caught admitting that their goal is to engineer “the end of Putin regime,” thus explaining the “lack of any diplomatic effort by the US to secure a ceasefire.” Also showing that the claimed humanitarian concern for Ukrainians is a total lie https://t.co/xzDiFPdNXP

— Michael Tracey (@mtracey) March 23, 2022

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The end of the Putin regime IS a humanitarian effort. Russia doesn't need your help. Sit this one out.

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The end of the Putin regime is the declaration of WW3, a very long war…I don't want that.

You want to push Russia into an alliance with China and parts of the Middle East in a very long and expensive prolonged proxy war?

Thousands will die in the process including children. I can't support that. The planet will be brought to its knees and the solutions will destroy our freedoms.

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Why do you assume that? The removal of Putin by other Russians should absolutely be our hope. While the Russian successor isn't assured to be better, I think that the successor is likely to be far less ambitious than Putin. The new Russian leader could make a peace deal and blame the whole fiasco on Putin.

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It's not realistic. It's ideal but I don't see it happening.

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It's absolutely realistic. 40K is real families. (Even with defectors)

And the economic impact to the loss of life and an uprising is coming.

Proud 1992 Alum said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Canon said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Let's talk about what's really going on here.

US official was caught admitting that their goal is to engineer “the end of Putin regime,” thus explaining the “lack of any diplomatic effort by the US to secure a ceasefire.” Also showing that the claimed humanitarian concern for Ukrainians is a total lie https://t.co/xzDiFPdNXP

— Michael Tracey (@mtracey) March 23, 2022

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The end of the Putin regime IS a humanitarian effort. Russia doesn't need your help. Sit this one out.

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The end of the Putin regime is the declaration of WW3, a very long war…I don't want that.

You want to push Russia into an alliance with China and parts of the Middle East in a very long and expensive prolonged proxy war?

Thousands will die in the process including children. I can't support that. The planet will be brought to its knees and the solutions will destroy our freedoms.

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Why do you assume that? The removal of Putin by other Russians should absolutely be our hope. While the Russian successor isn't assured to be better, I think that the successor is likely to be far less ambitious than Putin. The new Russian leader could make a peace deal and blame the whole fiasco on Putin.

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Absolutely. It worked in Cuba with Castr... Nevermind.

Malbec said:

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Proud 1992 Alum said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Canon said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Let's talk about what's really going on here.

US official was caught admitting that their goal is to engineer “the end of Putin regime,” thus explaining the “lack of any diplomatic effort by the US to secure a ceasefire.” Also showing that the claimed humanitarian concern for Ukrainians is a total lie https://t.co/xzDiFPdNXP

— Michael Tracey (@mtracey) March 23, 2022

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The end of the Putin regime IS a humanitarian effort. Russia doesn't need your help. Sit this one out.

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The end of the Putin regime is the declaration of WW3, a very long war…I don't want that.

You want to push Russia into an alliance with China and parts of the Middle East in a very long and expensive prolonged proxy war?

Thousands will die in the process including children. I can't support that. The planet will be brought to its knees and the solutions will destroy our freedoms.

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Why do you assume that? The removal of Putin by other Russians should absolutely be our hope. While the Russian successor isn't assured to be better, I think that the successor is likely to be far less ambitious than Putin. The new Russian leader could make a peace deal and blame the whole fiasco on Putin.

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Absolutely. It worked in Cuba with Castr... Nevermind.

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I serious doubt that these numbers will be verified. It sounds more like wishful thinking by the Ukrainians.
Best case scenario is for the Ukrainians to make it costly enough that Putin comes to the table quickly. There isn't a real chance for Ukraine to push the Russians out completely.
And people who keep saying that there will be an uprising & overthrow of Putin, have no idea what they are talking about. There is a reason why people like Sadam, Stalin, Mao, Castro, Hugo Chavez and Putin are never removed from office, even when they directly cause the death of millions of their own people. These are not free nations. Their elections are fake. They use brutality to destroy uprisings long before they begin. They constantly purge their lands of anyone who could potentially become an opposition leader.

The only way Putin will be removed from office, is if he is assassinated... and that is not likely either.

As long as Putin is alive, he will remain in power.

ShooterTX said:

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Malbec said:

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Proud 1992 Alum said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Canon said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Let's talk about what's really going on here.

US official was caught admitting that their goal is to engineer “the end of Putin regime,” thus explaining the “lack of any diplomatic effort by the US to secure a ceasefire.” Also showing that the claimed humanitarian concern for Ukrainians is a total lie https://t.co/xzDiFPdNXP

— Michael Tracey (@mtracey) March 23, 2022

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The end of the Putin regime IS a humanitarian effort. Russia doesn't need your help. Sit this one out.

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The end of the Putin regime is the declaration of WW3, a very long war…I don't want that.

You want to push Russia into an alliance with China and parts of the Middle East in a very long and expensive prolonged proxy war?

Thousands will die in the process including children. I can't support that. The planet will be brought to its knees and the solutions will destroy our freedoms.

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Why do you assume that? The removal of Putin by other Russians should absolutely be our hope. While the Russian successor isn't assured to be better, I think that the successor is likely to be far less ambitious than Putin. The new Russian leader could make a peace deal and blame the whole fiasco on Putin.

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Absolutely. It worked in Cuba with Castr... Nevermind.

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I serious doubt that these numbers will be verified. It sounds more like wishful thinking by the Ukrainians.
Best case scenario is for the Ukrainians to make it costly enough that Putin comes to the table quickly. There isn't a real chance for Ukraine to push the Russians out completely.
And people who keep saying that there will be an uprising & overthrow of Putin, have no idea what they are talking about. There is a reason why people like Sadam, Stalin, Mao, Castro, Hugo Chavez and Putin are never removed from office, even when they directly cause the death of millions of their own people. These are not free nations. Their elections are fake. They use brutality to destroy uprisings long before they begin. They constantly purge their lands of anyone who could potentially become an opposition leader.

The only way Putin will be removed from office, is if he is assassinated... and that is not likely either.

As long as Putin is alive, he will remain in power.

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They're living in fantasy land.

Doc Holliday said:

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ShooterTX said:

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Malbec said:

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Proud 1992 Alum said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Canon said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Let's talk about what's really going on here.

US official was caught admitting that their goal is to engineer “the end of Putin regime,” thus explaining the “lack of any diplomatic effort by the US to secure a ceasefire.” Also showing that the claimed humanitarian concern for Ukrainians is a total lie https://t.co/xzDiFPdNXP

— Michael Tracey (@mtracey) March 23, 2022

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The end of the Putin regime IS a humanitarian effort. Russia doesn't need your help. Sit this one out.

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The end of the Putin regime is the declaration of WW3, a very long war…I don't want that.

You want to push Russia into an alliance with China and parts of the Middle East in a very long and expensive prolonged proxy war?

Thousands will die in the process including children. I can't support that. The planet will be brought to its knees and the solutions will destroy our freedoms.

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Why do you assume that? The removal of Putin by other Russians should absolutely be our hope. While the Russian successor isn't assured to be better, I think that the successor is likely to be far less ambitious than Putin. The new Russian leader could make a peace deal and blame the whole fiasco on Putin.

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Absolutely. It worked in Cuba with Castr... Nevermind.

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I serious doubt that these numbers will be verified. It sounds more like wishful thinking by the Ukrainians.
Best case scenario is for the Ukrainians to make it costly enough that Putin comes to the table quickly. There isn't a real chance for Ukraine to push the Russians out completely.
And people who keep saying that there will be an uprising & overthrow of Putin, have no idea what they are talking about. There is a reason why people like Sadam, Stalin, Mao, Castro, Hugo Chavez and Putin are never removed from office, even when they directly cause the death of millions of their own people. These are not free nations. Their elections are fake. They use brutality to destroy uprisings long before they begin. They constantly purge their lands of anyone who could potentially become an opposition leader.

The only way Putin will be removed from office, is if he is assassinated... and that is not likely either.

As long as Putin is alive, he will remain in power.

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They're living in fantasy land.

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Bay of Svin'i.

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Malbec said:

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Proud 1992 Alum said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Canon said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Let's talk about what's really going on here.

US official was caught admitting that their goal is to engineer “the end of Putin regime,” thus explaining the “lack of any diplomatic effort by the US to secure a ceasefire.” Also showing that the claimed humanitarian concern for Ukrainians is a total lie https://t.co/xzDiFPdNXP

— Michael Tracey (@mtracey) March 23, 2022

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The end of the Putin regime IS a humanitarian effort. Russia doesn't need your help. Sit this one out.

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The end of the Putin regime is the declaration of WW3, a very long war…I don't want that.

You want to push Russia into an alliance with China and parts of the Middle East in a very long and expensive prolonged proxy war?

Thousands will die in the process including children. I can't support that. The planet will be brought to its knees and the solutions will destroy our freedoms.

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Why do you assume that? The removal of Putin by other Russians should absolutely be our hope. While the Russian successor isn't assured to be better, I think that the successor is likely to be far less ambitious than Putin. The new Russian leader could make a peace deal and blame the whole fiasco on Putin.

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Absolutely. It worked in Cuba with Castr... Nevermind.

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Not sure you can find a time it actually did work.

Putin owns Biden. Biden is cowering in the corner shaking and peeing like a scared little puppy. The whole world sees it except for the 81 million snowflakes that supposedly voted for him.

Stolen elections have consequences. And cost lives.