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absolutely no tears for the dead.

biker gangs are some of the most disgusting organizations involved in drugs, human trafficking and other criminal endeavors.

I hope they never set foot in Waco again.... wish we could run them out of Texas entirely.

And Abel Reyna fumbled the entire thing

Unbelievable

No convictions.

I have a sweet Harley Heritage. Its my 3rd and last Harley. My wrench invited me to ride with some his buddies a few times. Good times.

Twin Peaks was a set up. The police were shooting fish in a barrel.

PS Shooter I can hook you up with a few of the local Boozefighters if you really want to run them out of town

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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No convictions.

I have a sweet Harley Heritage. Its my 3rd and last Harley. My wrench invited me to ride with some his buddies a few times. Good times.

Twin Peaks was a set up. The police were shooting fish in a barrel.

PS Shooter I can hook you up with a few of the local Boozefighters if you really want to run them out of town

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I doubt your local Boozefighters are on the same level as the Banditos and Cossacks.

I was talking about real motorcycle gangs, not wannabe clubs.

ShooterTX said:

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absolutely no tears for the dead.

biker gangs are some of the most disgusting organizations involved in drugs, human trafficking and other criminal endeavors.

I hope they never set foot in Waco again.... wish we could run them out of Texas entirely.

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probably for some this is true, but having police set up an ambush with rifles and open fire was pretty much a giant cluster f

Another blight on the history of Waco.

bularry said:

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ShooterTX said:

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absolutely no tears for the dead.

biker gangs are some of the most disgusting organizations involved in drugs, human trafficking and other criminal endeavors.

I hope they never set foot in Waco again.... wish we could run them out of Texas entirely.

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probably for some this is true, but having police set up an ambush with rifles and open fire was pretty much a giant cluster f

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so the cops set up an ambush? How exactly did they do this?
Did the cops organize the meeting? Did the cops start the shooting?

Just FYI, I have seen the video, and the cops did NOT start the violence or the shooting. It is very obvious when exactly the cops starting shooting vs. when the bikers started shooting. I must say that the cops were far more accurate with their fire... pretty impressive.

ShooterTX said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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No convictions.

I have a sweet Harley Heritage. Its my 3rd and last Harley. My wrench invited me to ride with some his buddies a few times. Good times.

Twin Peaks was a set up. The police were shooting fish in a barrel.

PS Shooter I can hook you up with a few of the local Boozefighters if you really want to run them out of town

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I doubt your local Boozefighters are on the same level as the Banditos and Cossacks.

I was talking about real motorcycle gangs, not wannabe clubs.

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Boozefighters align with Banditos. Cossacks are related to Hells Angels.

You are pretty easily impressed. Police were outside shooting in. They used semiautomatic weapons on largely unarmed innocent American citizens. A few bikers had pistols. Ohers had chains, knives etc. No bikers were convicted. 9 bikers killed in the ambush and no policemen were injured. So I guess it was a 9-0 victory for the ambushers. Go team.

BellCountyBear said:

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Another blight on the history of Waco.

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IDK, i dont like the fact that it was a cop setup but it is kinda cool and fitting bc Waco is Six Shooter Junction.

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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ShooterTX said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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No convictions.

I have a sweet Harley Heritage. Its my 3rd and last Harley. My wrench invited me to ride with some his buddies a few times. Good times.

Twin Peaks was a set up. The police were shooting fish in a barrel.

PS Shooter I can hook you up with a few of the local Boozefighters if you really want to run them out of town

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I doubt your local Boozefighters are on the same level as the Banditos and Cossacks.

I was talking about real motorcycle gangs, not wannabe clubs.

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Boozefighters align with Banditos. Cossacks are related to Hells Angels.

You are pretty easily impressed. Police were outside shooting in. They used semiautomatic weapons on largely unarmed innocent American citizens. A few bikers had pistols. Ohers had chains, knives etc. No bikers were convicted. 9 bikers killed in the ambush and no policemen were injured. So I guess it was a 9-0 victory for the ambushers. Go team.

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First shot by a biker. Next weapon drawn by a biker. This doesn't sound like an ambush.

Waco PD knew for weeks and weeks that trouble was brewing on Biker Nights and had tried to get TP to cancel those events. TP management thought the heavy police presence was bad for business on biker nights and wanted Waco PD off the premises for those events.

When the Sunday event occurred the situation was ripe for violence. When the violence happened, Waco PD ended it.

Could TP management handled things differently? Sure

Could WPD handled things differently? Sure

Could the gangs have handled things differently? Sure

However you answer those questions above, this was not an ambush.

Sorry about your friend

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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ShooterTX said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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No convictions.

I have a sweet Harley Heritage. Its my 3rd and last Harley. My wrench invited me to ride with some his buddies a few times. Good times.

Twin Peaks was a set up. The police were shooting fish in a barrel.

PS Shooter I can hook you up with a few of the local Boozefighters if you really want to run them out of town

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I doubt your local Boozefighters are on the same level as the Banditos and Cossacks.

I was talking about real motorcycle gangs, not wannabe clubs.

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Boozefighters align with Banditos. Cossacks are related to Hells Angels.

You are pretty easily impressed. Police were outside shooting in. They used semiautomatic weapons on largely unarmed innocent American citizens. A few bikers had pistols. Ohers had chains, knives etc. No bikers were convicted. 9 bikers killed in the ambush and no policemen were injured. So I guess it was a 9-0 victory for the ambushers. Go team.

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Honest question(s)

If the video evidence shows that a biker opened fire first….how is it a 'police ambush ?

Exactly how many of a biker gang has to be armed …..before they are no longer ….'largely unarmed ?

Versus the 9 biker dead …how .many police needed to be killed or wounded before it's a legitimate shoot ?

How many of the police were convicted of wrongdoing ?

LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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ShooterTX said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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No convictions.

I have a sweet Harley Heritage. Its my 3rd and last Harley. My wrench invited me to ride with some his buddies a few times. Good times.

Twin Peaks was a set up. The police were shooting fish in a barrel.

PS Shooter I can hook you up with a few of the local Boozefighters if you really want to run them out of town

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I doubt your local Boozefighters are on the same level as the Banditos and Cossacks.

I was talking about real motorcycle gangs, not wannabe clubs.

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Boozefighters align with Banditos. Cossacks are related to Hells Angels.

You are pretty easily impressed. Police were outside shooting in. They used semiautomatic weapons on largely unarmed innocent American citizens. A few bikers had pistols. Ohers had chains, knives etc. No bikers were convicted. 9 bikers killed in the ambush and no policemen were injured. So I guess it was a 9-0 victory for the ambushers. Go team.

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First shot by a biker. Next weapon drawn by a biker. This doesn't sound like an ambush.

Waco PD knew for weeks and weeks that trouble was brewing on Biker Nights and had tried to get TP to cancel those events. TP management thought the heavy police presence was bad for business on biker nights and wanted Waco PD off the premises for those events.

When the Sunday event occurred the situation was ripe for violence. When the violence happened, Waco PD ended it.

Could TP management handled things differently? Sure

Could WPD handled things differently? Sure

Could the gangs have handled things differently? Sure

However you answer those questions above, this was not an ambush.

Sorry about your friend

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I did not know any of the men killed. I know one of the guys there that spent several weeks in jail because of association.

muddybrazos said:

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BellCountyBear said:

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Another blight on the history of Waco.

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IDK, i dont like the fact that it was a cop setup but it is kinda cool and fitting bc Waco is Six Shooter Junction.

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Maybe cool for the 1880s history buff. After ATF and David Koresh…not so much.

Canada2017 said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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ShooterTX said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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No convictions.

I have a sweet Harley Heritage. Its my 3rd and last Harley. My wrench invited me to ride with some his buddies a few times. Good times.

Twin Peaks was a set up. The police were shooting fish in a barrel.

PS Shooter I can hook you up with a few of the local Boozefighters if you really want to run them out of town

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I doubt your local Boozefighters are on the same level as the Banditos and Cossacks.

I was talking about real motorcycle gangs, not wannabe clubs.

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Boozefighters align with Banditos. Cossacks are related to Hells Angels.

You are pretty easily impressed. Police were outside shooting in. They used semiautomatic weapons on largely unarmed innocent American citizens. A few bikers had pistols. Ohers had chains, knives etc. No bikers were convicted. 9 bikers killed in the ambush and no policemen were injured. So I guess it was a 9-0 victory for the ambushers. Go team.

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Honest question(s)

If the video evidence shows that a biker opened fire first….how is it a 'police ambush ?

Police waited for something to happen outside with semiautomatic weapons. Have you ever been to football games and noticed all the heavily armed police waiting outside and ready to fire into the stadium? Basketball games? Malls? Political rallies? The general policy is for police to make themselves known so there presence can be a deterrent to trouble.

Exactly how many of a biker gang has to be armed …..before they are no longer ….'largely unarmed ?

Who knows. First reports claimed the motorcycle enthusiasts had over a 1000 weapons. Later it was amended to 300 but this count included weapons in cars, on bikes, screwdrivers, pocket knives and a few pistols. There was 1 semiauto weapon but it was left in a locked car.

Versus the 9 biker dead ….many police needed to be killed or wounded before it's a legitimate shoot ?

If they had not had the assault vehicle hidden around the corner and made their presence known it might not have happened.

How many of the police were convicted of wrongdoing ? A grand jury failed to indict three of the policeman that killed the scooter trash

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A few bikers were at fault. Its stupid to carry a pistol into a bar. I think the DA could have handled his resources better.

ShooterTX said:

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absolutely no tears for the dead.

biker gangs are some of the most disgusting organizations involved in drugs, human trafficking and other criminal endeavors.

I hope they never set foot in Waco again.... wish we could run them out of Texas entirely.

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I Know one of the guys murdered. You'd probably change your time a bit if you knew his story.

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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ShooterTX said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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No convictions.

I have a sweet Harley Heritage. Its my 3rd and last Harley. My wrench invited me to ride with some his buddies a few times. Good times.

Twin Peaks was a set up. The police were shooting fish in a barrel.

PS Shooter I can hook you up with a few of the local Boozefighters if you really want to run them out of town

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I doubt your local Boozefighters are on the same level as the Banditos and Cossacks.

I was talking about real motorcycle gangs, not wannabe clubs.

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Boozefighters align with Banditos. Cossacks are related to Hells Angels.

You are pretty easily impressed. Police were outside shooting in. They used semiautomatic weapons on largely unarmed innocent American citizens. A few bikers had pistols. Ohers had chains, knives etc. No bikers were convicted. 9 bikers killed in the ambush and no policemen were injured. So I guess it was a 9-0 victory for the ambushers. Go team.

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Kinda like when that insane Democrat shot up a softball practice in DC

At one time I knew one of the dead…. The first one killed. When I knew him (roughly 15 years ago) he didn't even own a bike. Just had a business that hauled equipment, etc.

Fre3dombear said:

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ShooterTX said:

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absolutely no tears for the dead.

biker gangs are some of the most disgusting organizations involved in drugs, human trafficking and other criminal endeavors.

I hope they never set foot in Waco again.... wish we could run them out of Texas entirely.

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I Know one of the guys murdered. You'd probably change your time a bit if you knew his story.

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I have been part of a counseling team for victims of human trafficking. Two of our victims were trafficked by the Banditos gang. If you ever heard their stories... you would probably change your tune too. I can guarantee you that no story about your friend will change my attitude towards biker gangs.

Anyone who is stupid enough to join the Banditos or Cossacks, and then gets killed... well... that's on them.

If you like to ride a motorcycle, there is no legit reason that you need to join a gang which engages in human trafficking, drug trafficking and other crimes. People don't join those groups because they like the jacket... they want to be "outlaws" or some kind of "bad ass"... and 9 of them lived that life to the logic conclusion at the Twin Peaks incident. Those who didn't die are really lucky that the cops were there to stop the killers among them. They should seriously re-think their life choices, while they still can.

Again, there is no legit reason for a good person to join one of those gangs. I know almost a dozen guys who ride motorcycles. Most ride Harleys or other cruiser types. None have joined a biker gang, but they all get together with friends for rides on weekends or longer trips. Joining a gang is unnecessary and foolish.

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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ShooterTX said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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No convictions.

I have a sweet Harley Heritage. Its my 3rd and last Harley. My wrench invited me to ride with some his buddies a few times. Good times.

Twin Peaks was a set up. The police were shooting fish in a barrel.

PS Shooter I can hook you up with a few of the local Boozefighters if you really want to run them out of town

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I doubt your local Boozefighters are on the same level as the Banditos and Cossacks.

I was talking about real motorcycle gangs, not wannabe clubs.

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Boozefighters align with Banditos. Cossacks are related to Hells Angels.

You are pretty easily impressed. Police were outside shooting in. They used semiautomatic weapons on largely unarmed innocent American citizens. A few bikers had pistols. Ohers had chains, knives etc. No bikers were convicted. 9 bikers killed in the ambush and no policemen were injured. So I guess it was a 9-0 victory for the ambushers. Go team.

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Honest question(s)

If the video evidence shows that a biker opened fire first….how is it a 'police ambush ?

Police waited for something to happen outside with semiautomatic weapons. Have you ever been to football games and noticed all the heavily armed police waiting outside and ready to fire into the stadium? Basketball games? Malls? Political rallies? The general policy is for police to make themselves known so there presence can be a deterrent to trouble.

Exactly how many of a biker gang has to be armed …..before they are no longer ….'largely unarmed ?

Who knows. First reports claimed the motorcycle enthusiasts had over a 1000 weapons. Later it was amended to 300 but this count included weapons in cars, on bikes, screwdrivers, pocket knives and a few pistols. There was 1 semiauto weapon but it was left in a locked car.

Versus the 9 biker dead ….many police needed to be killed or wounded before it's a legitimate shoot ?

If they had not had the assault vehicle hidden around the corner and made their presence known it might not have happened.

How many of the police were convicted of wrongdoing ? A grand jury failed to indict three of the policeman that killed the scooter trash

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A few bikers were at fault. Its stupid to carry a pistol into a bar. I think the DA could have handled his resources better.

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Biker gangs intentionally and repeatedly cultivate an image of violence and intimidation.

In my opinion law enforcement has an obligation to protect a community from such a mob . Bikers fired the first shot ….in my opinion what followed is 100% on them .

Fre3dombear said:

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ShooterTX said:

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absolutely no tears for the dead.

biker gangs are some of the most disgusting organizations involved in drugs, human trafficking and other criminal endeavors.

I hope they never set foot in Waco again.... wish we could run them out of Texas entirely.

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I Know one of the guys murdered. You'd probably change your time a bit if you knew his story.

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Murdered? That's a strong statement. What do you have to back up the statement?

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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ShooterTX said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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No convictions.

I have a sweet Harley Heritage. Its my 3rd and last Harley. My wrench invited me to ride with some his buddies a few times. Good times.

Twin Peaks was a set up. The police were shooting fish in a barrel.

PS Shooter I can hook you up with a few of the local Boozefighters if you really want to run them out of town

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I doubt your local Boozefighters are on the same level as the Banditos and Cossacks.

I was talking about real motorcycle gangs, not wannabe clubs.

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Boozefighters align with Banditos. Cossacks are related to Hells Angels.

You are pretty easily impressed. Police were outside shooting in. They used semiautomatic weapons on largely unarmed innocent American citizens. A few bikers had pistols. Ohers had chains, knives etc. No bikers were convicted. 9 bikers killed in the ambush and no policemen were injured. So I guess it was a 9-0 victory for the ambushers. Go team.

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Honest question(s)

If the video evidence shows that a biker opened fire first….how is it a 'police ambush ?

Police waited for something to happen outside with semiautomatic weapons. Have you ever been to football games and noticed all the heavily armed police waiting outside and ready to fire into the stadium? Basketball games? Malls? Political rallies? The general policy is for police to make themselves known so there presence can be a deterrent to trouble.

Exactly how many of a biker gang has to be armed …..before they are no longer ….'largely unarmed ?

Who knows. First reports claimed the motorcycle enthusiasts had over a 1000 weapons. Later it was amended to 300 but this count included weapons in cars, on bikes, screwdrivers, pocket knives and a few pistols. There was 1 semiauto weapon but it was left in a locked car.

Versus the 9 biker dead ….many police needed to be killed or wounded before it's a legitimate shoot ?

If they had not had the assault vehicle hidden around the corner and made their presence known it might not have happened.

How many of the police were convicted of wrongdoing ? A grand jury failed to indict three of the policeman that killed the scooter trash

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A few bikers were at fault. Its stupid to carry a pistol into a bar. I think the DA could have handled his resources better.

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FYI the majority of guns are semiautomatic. Even pistols.

So I am not sure why you have used that term when describing the weapons of the PD and not the weapons of the bikers.

Not all rifles are semi auto. Not all pistols are semi auto.

but the majority of rifles are semi auto. Just as the majority of pistols are semi auto.

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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ShooterTX said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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No convictions.

I have a sweet Harley Heritage. Its my 3rd and last Harley. My wrench invited me to ride with some his buddies a few times. Good times.

Twin Peaks was a set up. The police were shooting fish in a barrel.

PS Shooter I can hook you up with a few of the local Boozefighters if you really want to run them out of town

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I doubt your local Boozefighters are on the same level as the Banditos and Cossacks.

I was talking about real motorcycle gangs, not wannabe clubs.

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Boozefighters align with Banditos. Cossacks are related to Hells Angels.

You are pretty easily impressed. Police were outside shooting in. They used semiautomatic weapons on largely unarmed innocent American citizens. A few bikers had pistols. Ohers had chains, knives etc. No bikers were convicted. 9 bikers killed in the ambush and no policemen were injured. So I guess it was a 9-0 victory for the ambushers. Go team.

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Honest question(s)

If the video evidence shows that a biker opened fire first….how is it a 'police ambush ?

Police waited for something to happen outside with semiautomatic weapons. Have you ever been to football games and noticed all the heavily armed police waiting outside and ready to fire into the stadium? Basketball games? Malls? Political rallies? The general policy is for police to make themselves known so there presence can be a deterrent to trouble.

Exactly how many of a biker gang has to be armed …..before they are no longer ….'largely unarmed ?

Who knows. First reports claimed the motorcycle enthusiasts had over a 1000 weapons. Later it was amended to 300 but this count included weapons in cars, on bikes, screwdrivers, pocket knives and a few pistols. There was 1 semiauto weapon but it was left in a locked car.

Versus the 9 biker dead ….many police needed to be killed or wounded before it's a legitimate shoot ?

If they had not had the assault vehicle hidden around the corner and made their presence known it might not have happened.

How many of the police were convicted of wrongdoing ? A grand jury failed to indict three of the policeman that killed the scooter trash

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A few bikers were at fault. Its stupid to carry a pistol into a bar. I think the DA could have handled his resources better.

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TP management had made it abundantly clear that they didn't want WPD inside. Offers were made to have a police presence inside for the event and it was declined.

LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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ShooterTX said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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No convictions.

I have a sweet Harley Heritage. Its my 3rd and last Harley. My wrench invited me to ride with some his buddies a few times. Good times.

Twin Peaks was a set up. The police were shooting fish in a barrel.

PS Shooter I can hook you up with a few of the local Boozefighters if you really want to run them out of town

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I doubt your local Boozefighters are on the same level as the Banditos and Cossacks.

I was talking about real motorcycle gangs, not wannabe clubs.

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Boozefighters align with Banditos. Cossacks are related to Hells Angels.

You are pretty easily impressed. Police were outside shooting in. They used semiautomatic weapons on largely unarmed innocent American citizens. A few bikers had pistols. Ohers had chains, knives etc. No bikers were convicted. 9 bikers killed in the ambush and no policemen were injured. So I guess it was a 9-0 victory for the ambushers. Go team.

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First shot by a biker. Next weapon drawn by a biker. This doesn't sound like an ambush.

Waco PD knew for weeks and weeks that trouble was brewing on Biker Nights and had tried to get TP to cancel those events. TP management thought the heavy police presence was bad for business on biker nights and wanted Waco PD off the premises for those events.

When the Sunday event occurred the situation was ripe for violence. When the violence happened, Waco PD ended it.

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But did they need to end it by killing 9 men?

Along with wounding 18 others and arresting 177 individuals?

That seems excessive as hell.

Arguably, but you get mixed up in an armed conflict in a public space, and you can't much complain when a cop shoots you. Risk of doing business.

There were also zero convictions. So maybe all in all it is a draw.

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Arguably, but you get mixed up in an armed conflict in a public space, and you can't much complain when a cop shoots you. Risk of doing business.

There were also zero convictions. So maybe all in all it is a draw.

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I guess we just have two different views on the Constitution and police power.

The "screw you for being in the wrong place with the wrong kind of people so you deserve death"

Vs the idea that police serve the public & citizens and should never go in guns blazing on people not convicted of any crime.

[Jesus Rodriguez's son said the Vietnam War Marine Corps veteran and father of seven from New Braunfels, Texas was "in the wrong place at the wrong time" and didn't carry weapons. He used to carry a pocketknife, but stopped after being told he couldn't bring it into a convention. Jacob Lee Rhyne, a father of two from Ranger, Texas, had joined the Cossacks six months prior and didn't own a gun. His girlfriend said, "I cannot see Jake going there if he knew there was going to be trouble. Our kids were too important." Daniel Boyett, the only Waco resident to die, owned and ran a trucking company with his third wife]

Redbrickbear said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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ShooterTX said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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No convictions.

I have a sweet Harley Heritage. Its my 3rd and last Harley. My wrench invited me to ride with some his buddies a few times. Good times.

Twin Peaks was a set up. The police were shooting fish in a barrel.

PS Shooter I can hook you up with a few of the local Boozefighters if you really want to run them out of town

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I doubt your local Boozefighters are on the same level as the Banditos and Cossacks.

I was talking about real motorcycle gangs, not wannabe clubs.

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Boozefighters align with Banditos. Cossacks are related to Hells Angels.

You are pretty easily impressed. Police were outside shooting in. They used semiautomatic weapons on largely unarmed innocent American citizens. A few bikers had pistols. Ohers had chains, knives etc. No bikers were convicted. 9 bikers killed in the ambush and no policemen were injured. So I guess it was a 9-0 victory for the ambushers. Go team.

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First shot by a biker. Next weapon drawn by a biker. This doesn't sound like an ambush.

Waco PD knew for weeks and weeks that trouble was brewing on Biker Nights and had tried to get TP to cancel those events. TP management thought the heavy police presence was bad for business on biker nights and wanted Waco PD off the premises for those events.

When the Sunday event occurred the situation was ripe for violence. When the violence happened, Waco PD ended it.

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But did they need to end it by killing 9 men?

Along with wounding 18 others and arresting 177 individuals?

That seems excessive as hell.

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Pretty sure the Waco PD killed 7 and the bikers killed the other 2. If memory serves, one guy had his throat cut and another had stab wounds to the chest and neck.

Most of the injuries were from bikers, not cops. Lots of stab wounds... and cops don't use knives.

But hey... there was no need for deadly force, right?

Go watch the videos from the security cameras. I've seen them. It was a massive brawl that turned into a shootout. Very lucky that the cops stopped it with only a few dead, and no innocent people injured.

Redbrickbear said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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ShooterTX said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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No convictions.

I have a sweet Harley Heritage. Its my 3rd and last Harley. My wrench invited me to ride with some his buddies a few times. Good times.

Twin Peaks was a set up. The police were shooting fish in a barrel.

PS Shooter I can hook you up with a few of the local Boozefighters if you really want to run them out of town

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I doubt your local Boozefighters are on the same level as the Banditos and Cossacks.

I was talking about real motorcycle gangs, not wannabe clubs.

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Boozefighters align with Banditos. Cossacks are related to Hells Angels.

You are pretty easily impressed. Police were outside shooting in. They used semiautomatic weapons on largely unarmed innocent American citizens. A few bikers had pistols. Ohers had chains, knives etc. No bikers were convicted. 9 bikers killed in the ambush and no policemen were injured. So I guess it was a 9-0 victory for the ambushers. Go team.

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First shot by a biker. Next weapon drawn by a biker. This doesn't sound like an ambush.

Waco PD knew for weeks and weeks that trouble was brewing on Biker Nights and had tried to get TP to cancel those events. TP management thought the heavy police presence was bad for business on biker nights and wanted Waco PD off the premises for those events.

When the Sunday event occurred the situation was ripe for violence. When the violence happened, Waco PD ended it.

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But did they need to end it by killing 9 men?

Along with wounding 18 others and arresting 177 individuals?

That seems excessive as hell.

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Let's place blame where it belongs.

At least two biker gang representatives got into it over a parking spot and a foot being run over. That escalated to shots being fired. Those gangs had a long history of violence towards others and one another. They own the majority of the blame.

TP management encouraged biker events even when intel was given to them regarding increased tension, state wide, between the two primary gangs. TP management was adamant that they didn't want a police presence at the Tuesday night biker events or at this Sunday event. One of TP's managers was dating one of the gang's leaders. That gang was not invited but was informed about the Sunday meeting by her ( this is what I am told but can't verify although I do trust the info). TP ownership and management own a big portion of the blame by encouraging an atmosphere where two rival gangs were likely to meet.

Waco PDmade several attempts to end, or at least show a major presence, at all of TPs biker events. They are forced to limit their power to what the law allows. They cannot interfere with free enterprise.

City attorney: speculation only. Could the city attorney's office operated with TABC to shut down TP based off of intel from the PD? Maybe but, many, including myself believe that would be a misuse of power.

Given the situation WPD was facing and the laws and regulations that they must operate under, what do you think they should have done?

DAs office: a complete clown show.

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Robert Wilson said:

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Arguably, but you get mixed up in an armed conflict in a public space, and you can't much complain when a cop shoots you. Risk of doing business.

There were also zero convictions. So maybe all in all it is a draw.

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I guess we just have two different views on the Constitution and police power.

The "screw you for being in the wrong place with the wrong kind of people so you deserve death"

Vs the idea that police serve the public & citizens and should never go in guns blazing on people not convicted of any crime.

[Jesus Rodriguez's son said the Vietnam War Marine Corps veteran and father of seven from New Braunfels, Texas was "in the wrong place at the wrong time" and didn't carry weapons. He used to carry a pocketknife, but stopped after being told he couldn't bring it into a convention. Jacob Lee Rhyne, a father of two from Ranger, Texas, had joined the Cossacks six months prior and didn't own a gun. His girlfriend said, "I cannot see Jake going there if he knew there was going to be trouble. Our kids were too important." Daniel Boyett, the only Waco resident to die, owned and ran a trucking company with his third wife]

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They were actively shooting in public. Had to be stopped. Asking a lot of cops to sort through that kind of situation live. You get in a spot like that, and all the Constitution means is that you can sue for damages later if you think the cops were careless or overzealous.

Robert Wilson said:

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Arguably, but you get mixed up in an armed conflict in a public space, and you can't much complain when a cop shoots you. Risk of doing business.

There were also zero convictions. So maybe all in all it is a draw.

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Not really a draw Nine guys died.

I heard it started as a fist fight and one guy fired a shot into the ground (another claimed it was shot into the ceiling). After that the police opened fire into the crowd.

sorry Cwby I Someone else called them "Squad Automatic Weapons" I have several rifles and pistols but to me they are just tools like shovels or hoes that I use on the snakes and coyotes.

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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ShooterTX said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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No convictions.

I have a sweet Harley Heritage. Its my 3rd and last Harley. My wrench invited me to ride with some his buddies a few times. Good times.

Twin Peaks was a set up. The police were shooting fish in a barrel.

PS Shooter I can hook you up with a few of the local Boozefighters if you really want to run them out of town

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I doubt your local Boozefighters are on the same level as the Banditos and Cossacks.

I was talking about real motorcycle gangs, not wannabe clubs.

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Boozefighters align with Banditos. Cossacks are related to Hells Angels.

You are pretty easily impressed. Police were outside shooting in. They used semiautomatic weapons on largely unarmed innocent American citizens. A few bikers had pistols. Ohers had chains, knives etc. No bikers were convicted. 9 bikers killed in the ambush and no policemen were injured. So I guess it was a 9-0 victory for the ambushers. Go team.

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First shot by a biker. Next weapon drawn by a biker. This doesn't sound like an ambush.

Waco PD knew for weeks and weeks that trouble was brewing on Biker Nights and had tried to get TP to cancel those events. TP management thought the heavy police presence was bad for business on biker nights and wanted Waco PD off the premises for those events.

When the Sunday event occurred the situation was ripe for violence. When the violence happened, Waco PD ended it.

Could TP management handled things differently? Sure

Could WPD handled things differently? Sure

Could the gangs have handled things differently? Sure

However you answer those questions above, this was not an ambush.

Sorry about your friend

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I did not know any of the men killed. I know one of the guys there that spent several weeks in jail because of association.

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I know of a guy that is now married to a friend of mine that spent a long time in jail and pretty sure she would not marry a member of a gang.

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Arguably, but you get mixed up in an armed conflict in a public space, and you can't much complain when a cop shoots you. Risk of doing business.

There were also zero convictions. So maybe all in all it is a draw.

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Not really a draw Nine guys died.

I heard it started as a fist fight and one guy fired a shot into the ground (another claimed it was shot into the ceiling). After that the police opened fire into the crowd.

sorry Cwby I Someone else called them "Squad Automatic Weapons" I have several rifles and pistols but to me they are just tools like shovels or hoes that I use on the snakes and coyotes.

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I don't see anyone calling them squad automatic weapons... just you calling them semiautomatic so I thought I would point out the fact that most guns are, including the ones you probably use.

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Arguably, but you get mixed up in an armed conflict in a public space, and you can't much complain when a cop shoots you. Risk of doing business.

There were also zero convictions. So maybe all in all it is a draw.

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Not really a draw Nine guys died.

I heard it started as a fist fight and one guy fired a shot into the ground (another claimed it was shot into the ceiling). After that the police opened fire into the crowd.

sorry Cwby I Someone else called them "Squad Automatic Weapons" I have several rifles and pistols but to me they are just tools like shovels or hoes that I use on the snakes and coyotes.

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don't hold me to this but, I have been told that the weapons WPD carries (at least some of them) are capable of going full auto with the use of a selector switch. I think they can select single round, 3-round burst, full auto. They may also have a 5-round burst.

Civilian versions are semi-auto only meaning, 1 trigger pull gets you 1 round.

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Arguably, but you get mixed up in an armed conflict in a public space, and you can't much complain when a cop shoots you. Risk of doing business.

There were also zero convictions. So maybe all in all it is a draw.

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Not really a draw Nine guys died.

I heard it started as a fist fight and one guy fired a shot into the ground (another claimed it was shot into the ceiling). After that the police opened fire into the crowd.

sorry Cwby I Someone else called them "Squad Automatic Weapons" I have several rifles and pistols but to me they are just tools like shovels or hoes that I use on the snakes and coyotes.

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Again, watch the video.
What you described here did NOT happen.
You can clearly see on the video that they were shooting at each other... not into the ground or ceiling. You can also clearly see that multiple shots were fired before the cops started shooting.
The cops that shot the bikers were using rifles with scopes, and shot from a distance.
The cops that eventually approached on foot did not shoot. The shooting was over before the cops moved in... the snipers took out all of the bikers that were shooting.
Also in the video, you can clearly see a biker walk over to a few of the bikers on the ground, and shoot them on the ground... and then a sniper round hits him in the head.

Again, watch the security footage before you make crazy claims about police ambush or mis use of lethal force.