Robert Wilson said:

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gobears20 said:

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#DEVELOPING - Baylor will rename campus area and relocate statue of slave-owning former university president https://t.co/L8ssNTUmG7

— KWTX News 10 (@kwtx) May 20, 2022

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I, for one, am shocked to find out that a prominent land owning person in the mid 19th century south would have owned slaves. Thank goodness Baylor brought attention to this new issue and dropped some pixie dust on it.

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What's aggy gonna do now? They prominently revere the man that saved their university (and apparently owned slaves)

Bexar Pitts said:

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Here's an intersting article that mentions our County's namesake... https://wacohistory.org/items/show/143

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Oh ****

C. Jordan said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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C. Jordan said:

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Good for BU!

Acknowledging and confessing our sins is as biblical and conservative as it gets!

The only sad part is that it will take away a great BU legend.

Do you know why Burleson's hat is filled with cement.

Back in the 1920's, miscreant BU students would stuff rags in his hat and set them on fire.

Then they would call the Fire Dept., crying, "Burleson's on fire!"

Naturally, the Fire Dept. assumed this meant Burleson Hall, and dispatched firefighters.

Otherwise, he won't be missed.

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It may not be a disaster in itself, but it reveals a troubling lack of courage on the part of the school.

You'll call me crazy, but mark my words -- it's only a matter of time until they're endorsing LGBT groups on campus.

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"A troubling lack of courage"? Really?

How is the confession of sin and repentance a lack of courage? It seems the opposite to me.

I think it's really important to acknowledge the sins of racism and slavery in a place like Waco, which was the site of one of the most horrific lynchings in history.

You might find it interesting that Burleson and those guys thought Catholics were more dangerous than anybody. B.H. Caroll, for whom several buildings were named, believed the Catholic Church was antiChrist. He and all those other guys saw the Catholic Church as apostate. But eventually, BU allowed Catholic student groups. A move that was regarded as "liberal" at the time.

Why not reflect on the fact that people of your faith were once considered just as sinful and dangerous as LGBTQ groups and that it's because of "liberals" that Catholics were even allowed on campus?

You want to stop the wave that changed the status of Catholics on campus?

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Burleson was also the first to allow women on campus. You want to stop that wave?

The problem is that wokeness isn't a liberal movement. It's an anti-liberal movement with roots in the same philosophy that's been working to destroy Western culture for the last century. It's every bit as hostile to the secular values of the university as it is to the religious values of Baylor in particular. Anyone who cherishes academic freedom should be wary of pandering to the woke mob. They're not concerned with your ideals and can't be appeased.

C. Jordan said:

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SIC EM 94 said:

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C. Jordan said:

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Good for BU!

Acknowledging and confessing our sins is as biblical and conservative as it gets!

The only sad part is that it will take away a great BU legend.

Do you know why Burleson's hat is filled with cement.

Back in the 1920's, miscreant BU students would stuff rags in his hat and set them on fire.

Then they would call the Fire Dept., crying, "Burleson's on fire!"

Naturally, the Fire Dept. assumed this meant Burleson Hall, and dispatched firefighters.

Otherwise, he won't be missed.

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You want to rename the university while we're at it?

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Argument by exaggeration gets nowhere with me.

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How is that an "exaggeration" you fing clown? Baylor is no different than Burleson in most liberals view.

Now the bells at Baylor are racist as well.

The university also plans to relocate two bells from the Burleson Quadrangle back to Baylor's original campus in Independence, an unincorporated town about 112 miles south of Waco. According to the commissioned report, both bells have a connection to slave plantations. One of the bells was used by founding trustee Aaron Shannon on his plantation "to call his hands together for their daily tasks."

SIC EM 94 said:

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Now the bells at Baylor are racist as well.

The university also plans to relocate two bells from the Burleson Quadrangle back to Baylor's original campus in Independence, an unincorporated town about 112 miles south of Waco. According to the commissioned report, both bells have a connection to slave plantations. One of the bells was used by founding trustee Aaron Shannon on his plantation "to call his hands together for their daily tasks."

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Nothing worse than a racist bell.

SIC EM 94 said:

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Now the bells at Baylor are racist as well.

The university also plans to relocate two bells from the Burleson Quadrangle back to Baylor's original campus in Independence, an unincorporated town about 112 miles south of Waco. According to the commissioned report, both bells have a connection to slave plantations. One of the bells was used by founding trustee Aaron Shannon on his plantation "to call his hands together for their daily tasks."

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Blazing Saddles banned at Dr. Pepper Hour.

News at 6.

So everyone is supposed to feel good once Baylor lead by prez Livingstone do the following:

1. Put new plaque on Judge Baylor telling you he/Baylor are racist
2. Remove Burleson statue to behind the trash bins
3. Removed racist non-functioning bells to east Texas. Not really sure if they are racist bells b/c they don't ring.
4. Put up statues of black students who graduated. Clearly BU made note of students skin color once?

All because some "unknown " enslaved people? If they're unknown then how does anyone know?

Lastly the first time the Noze brothers paint a pink nose on a black statue will that become a huge racist event so BLM can burn stuff down? Maybe we should defund the Baylor police now!

When will Baylor put up statues for first woman grad, gay grad, Mexican grad, Asian grad, trans grad, binary grad,? Maybe investing in a Waco statue company would be big bucks?

Seems nuts but I'm just asking for a friend.

Space Cutter said:

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So everyone is supposed to feel good once Baylor lead by prez Livingstone do the following:

1. Put new plaque on Judge Baylor telling you he/Baylor are racist
2. Remove Burleson statue to behind the trash bins
3. Removed racist non-functioning bells to east Texas. Not really sure if they are racist bells b/c they don't ring.
4. Put up statues of black students who graduated. Clearly BU made note of students skin color once?

All because some "unknown " enslaved people? If they're unknown then how does anyone know?

Lastly the first time the Noze brothers paint a pink nose on a black statue will that become a huge racist event so BLM can burn stuff down? Maybe we should defund the Baylor police now!

When will Baylor put up statues for first woman grad, gay grad, Mexican grad, Asian grad, trans grad, binary grad,? Maybe investing in a Waco statue company would be big bucks?

Seems nuts but I'm just asking for a friend.

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Are you assuming Judge Baylor's gender? We have no idea whether he was cis male or one of the other 32 flavors.

C. Jordan said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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C. Jordan said:

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Good for BU!

Acknowledging and confessing our sins is as biblical and conservative as it gets!

The only sad part is that it will take away a great BU legend.

Do you know why Burleson's hat is filled with cement.

Back in the 1920's, miscreant BU students would stuff rags in his hat and set them on fire.

Then they would call the Fire Dept., crying, "Burleson's on fire!"

Naturally, the Fire Dept. assumed this meant Burleson Hall, and dispatched firefighters.

Otherwise, he won't be missed.

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We should replace him with a statue of George Floyd. You can be the first donor to the Baylor Woke George Floyd LBGTQ Fund.

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You think mocking George Floyd is a positive way forward?

Really?

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George Floyd's adult life was a mockery of human decency.

Only with his 'martyrdom' was any kind of positive notoriety established .

C. Jordan said:

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Wangchung said:

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C. Jordan said:

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Good for BU!

Acknowledging and confessing our sins is as biblical and conservative as it gets!

The only sad part is that it will take away a great BU legend.

Do you know why Burleson's hat is filled with cement.

Back in the 1920's, miscreant BU students would stuff rags in his hat and set them on fire.

Then they would call the Fire Dept., crying, "Burleson's on fire!"

Naturally, the Fire Dept. assumed this meant Burleson Hall, and dispatched firefighters.

Otherwise, he won't be missed.

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Taking responsibility for the sins of those long dead is neither conservative or biblical. It's 100% virtue signaling to the woke mob. Nothing more.

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Nope.

Acknowledging that we benefit from the results of those sins to this day is the work of Christ.

And I proudly wear the label of "woke."

The alternative is to be asleep to sin.

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I can't imagine you vote democrat then because the Democratic Party would not exist today if it weren't for the party's stance on slavery and racist policies that carried on for over a century.

Amal Shuq-Up said:

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Blazing Saddles banned at Dr. Pepper Hour.

News at 6.

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One of the greatest movies of all time

contrario said:

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C. Jordan said:

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Wangchung said:

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C. Jordan said:

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Good for BU!

Acknowledging and confessing our sins is as biblical and conservative as it gets!

The only sad part is that it will take away a great BU legend.

Do you know why Burleson's hat is filled with cement.

Back in the 1920's, miscreant BU students would stuff rags in his hat and set them on fire.

Then they would call the Fire Dept., crying, "Burleson's on fire!"

Naturally, the Fire Dept. assumed this meant Burleson Hall, and dispatched firefighters.

Otherwise, he won't be missed.

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Taking responsibility for the sins of those long dead is neither conservative or biblical. It's 100% virtue signaling to the woke mob. Nothing more.

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Nope.

Acknowledging that we benefit from the results of those sins to this day is the work of Christ.

And I proudly wear the label of "woke."

The alternative is to be asleep to sin.

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I can't imagine you vote democrat then because the Democratic Party would not exist today if it weren't for the party's stance on slavery and racist policies that carried on for over a century.

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This is a fact. Deeply ingrained in the Democrat (socialist) party is a bedrock and foundation of racism, oppression and the Klan. Anything that sprung from that beginning can never remove the stain and every thought and idea is in someway influenced by those roots of theirs. They need to atone and no atonement will be enough for, without them, the issues of today so near and dear to some wouldn't exist at all

C. Jordan said:

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SIC EM 94 said:

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C. Jordan said:

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Good for BU!

Acknowledging and confessing our sins is as biblical and conservative as it gets!

The only sad part is that it will take away a great BU legend.

Do you know why Burleson's hat is filled with cement.

Back in the 1920's, miscreant BU students would stuff rags in his hat and set them on fire.

Then they would call the Fire Dept., crying, "Burleson's on fire!"

Naturally, the Fire Dept. assumed this meant Burleson Hall, and dispatched firefighters.

Otherwise, he won't be missed.

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You want to rename the university while we're at it?

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Argument by exaggeration gets nowhere with me.

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when schools, streets and public buildings all across the country have been renamed, it's really not an exaggeration.

C. Jordan said:

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SIC EM 94 said:

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C. Jordan said:

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Good for BU!

Acknowledging and confessing our sins is as biblical and conservative as it gets!

The only sad part is that it will take away a great BU legend.

Do you know why Burleson's hat is filled with cement.

Back in the 1920's, miscreant BU students would stuff rags in his hat and set them on fire.

Then they would call the Fire Dept., crying, "Burleson's on fire!"

Naturally, the Fire Dept. assumed this meant Burleson Hall, and dispatched firefighters.

Otherwise, he won't be missed.

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You want to rename the university while we're at it?

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Argument by exaggeration gets nowhere with me.

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. . . and who, are you?

Fre3dombear said:

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Amal Shuq-Up said:

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Blazing Saddles banned at Dr. Pepper Hour.

News at 6.

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One of the greatest movies of all time

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Somebody said that about Caddyshack not long ago, and I went and watched it. Gonna be real careful about movie recommendations on SicEm from now on...

Stranger said:

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C. Jordan said:

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SIC EM 94 said:

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C. Jordan said:

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Good for BU!

Acknowledging and confessing our sins is as biblical and conservative as it gets!

The only sad part is that it will take away a great BU legend.

Do you know why Burleson's hat is filled with cement.

Back in the 1920's, miscreant BU students would stuff rags in his hat and set them on fire.

Then they would call the Fire Dept., crying, "Burleson's on fire!"

Naturally, the Fire Dept. assumed this meant Burleson Hall, and dispatched firefighters.

Otherwise, he won't be missed.

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You want to rename the university while we're at it?

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Argument by exaggeration gets nowhere with me.

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. . . and who, are you?

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He woke up in a Soho doorway and the policeman knew his name….

Amal Shuq-Up said:

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Space Cutter said:

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So everyone is supposed to feel good once Baylor lead by prez Livingstone do the following:

1. Put new plaque on Judge Baylor telling you he/Baylor are racist
2. Remove Burleson statue to behind the trash bins
3. Removed racist non-functioning bells to east Texas. Not really sure if they are racist bells b/c they don't ring.
4. Put up statues of black students who graduated. Clearly BU made note of students skin color once?

All because some "unknown " enslaved people? If they're unknown then how does anyone know?

Lastly the first time the Noze brothers paint a pink nose on a black statue will that become a huge racist event so BLM can burn stuff down? Maybe we should defund the Baylor police now!

When will Baylor put up statues for first woman grad, gay grad, Mexican grad, Asian grad, trans grad, binary grad,? Maybe investing in a Waco statue company would be big bucks?

Seems nuts but I'm just asking for a friend.

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Are you assuming Judge Baylor's gender? We have no idea whether he was cis male or one of the other 32 flavors.

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Livingstone is not a biologist

Sam Lowry said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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Amal Shuq-Up said:

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Blazing Saddles banned at Dr. Pepper Hour.

News at 6.

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One of the greatest movies of all time

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Somebody said that about Caddyshack not long ago, and I went and watched it. Gonna be real careful about movie recommendations on SicEm from now on...

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Pond would be better for you.

Perpetual Grievances: There is no solution, but there is a lot of money to be made by being part of the problem.

Amal Shuq-Up said:

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Perpetual Grievances: There is no solution, but there is a lot of money to be made by being part of the problem.

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Yeah the useless eaters get literally nothing out of it and we all get to glance over and chuckle endlessly

Sam Lowry said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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Amal Shuq-Up said:

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Blazing Saddles banned at Dr. Pepper Hour.

News at 6.

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One of the greatest movies of all time

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Somebody said that about Caddyshack not long ago, and I went and watched it. Gonna be real careful about movie recommendations on SicEm from now on...

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That's unfortunate. Also a top 10

C. Jordan said:

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Good for BU!

Acknowledging and confessing our sins is as biblical and conservative as it gets!

The only sad part is that it will take away a great BU legend.

Do you know why Burleson's hat is filled with cement.

Back in the 1920's, miscreant BU students would stuff rags in his hat and set them on fire.

Then they would call the Fire Dept., crying, "Burleson's on fire!"

Naturally, the Fire Dept. assumed this meant Burleson Hall, and dispatched firefighters.

Otherwise, he won't be missed.

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Should we likewise raze the Jefferson memorial? What about the Washington monument? Should we raze that to? After all, both men were slave owners. Or should we just take down their statues and rename them?

We are on dangerous ground when we try to erase history by holding men who lived 200 years ago to todays standards.

C. Jordan said:

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Wangchung said:

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C. Jordan said:

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Good for BU!

Acknowledging and confessing our sins is as biblical and conservative as it gets!

The only sad part is that it will take away a great BU legend.

Do you know why Burleson's hat is filled with cement.

Back in the 1920's, miscreant BU students would stuff rags in his hat and set them on fire.

Then they would call the Fire Dept., crying, "Burleson's on fire!"

Naturally, the Fire Dept. assumed this meant Burleson Hall, and dispatched firefighters.

Otherwise, he won't be missed.

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Taking responsibility for the sins of those long dead is neither conservative or biblical. It's 100% virtue signaling to the woke mob. Nothing more.

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Nope.

Acknowledging that we benefit from the results of those sins to this day is the work of Christ.

And I proudly wear the label of "woke."

The alternative is to be asleep to sin.

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And yet you are asleep to sin my friend. You embrace an ideology that is the antithesis of Christ's teachings and the fundamentals of the Christian faith. That's the irony.

There's honestly nothing left to post on this thread. I don't support this.

We're going to wake up one day and find that Baylor has hired an LGBTQ+ President. Or Dean of Truett Seminary.

C. Jordan said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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C. Jordan said:

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Good for BU!

Acknowledging and confessing our sins is as biblical and conservative as it gets!

The only sad part is that it will take away a great BU legend.

Do you know why Burleson's hat is filled with cement.

Back in the 1920's, miscreant BU students would stuff rags in his hat and set them on fire.

Then they would call the Fire Dept., crying, "Burleson's on fire!"

Naturally, the Fire Dept. assumed this meant Burleson Hall, and dispatched firefighters.

Otherwise, he won't be missed.

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It may not be a disaster in itself, but it reveals a troubling lack of courage on the part of the school.

You'll call me crazy, but mark my words -- it's only a matter of time until they're endorsing LGBT groups on campus.

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"A troubling lack of courage"? Really?

How is the confession of sin and repentance a lack of courage? It seems the opposite to me.

I think it's really important to acknowledge the sins of racism and slavery in a place like Waco, which was the site of one of the most horrific lynchings in history.

You might find it interesting that Burleson and those guys thought Catholics were more dangerous than anybody. B.H. Caroll, for whom several buildings were named, believed the Catholic Church was antiChrist. He and all those other guys saw the Catholic Church as apostate. But eventually, BU allowed Catholic student groups. A move that was regarded as "liberal" at the time.

Why not reflect on the fact that people of your faith were once considered just as sinful and dangerous as LGBTQ groups and that it's because of "liberals" that Catholics were even allowed on campus?

You want to stop the wave that changed the status of Catholics on campus?

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I notice that the same two people keep "starring" your posts.

'Wokelor on the Brazos' strikes again!

Robert Wilson said:

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SIC EM 94 said:

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Now the bells at Baylor are racist as well.

The university also plans to relocate two bells from the Burleson Quadrangle back to Baylor's original campus in Independence, an unincorporated town about 112 miles south of Waco. According to the commissioned report, both bells have a connection to slave plantations. One of the bells was used by founding trustee Aaron Shannon on his plantation "to call his hands together for their daily tasks."

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Nothing worse than a racist bell.

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I've been told that the clapper is racist.

Robert Wilson said:

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SIC EM 94 said:

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Now the bells at Baylor are racist as well.

The university also plans to relocate two bells from the Burleson Quadrangle back to Baylor's original campus in Independence, an unincorporated town about 112 miles south of Waco. According to the commissioned report, both bells have a connection to slave plantations. One of the bells was used by founding trustee Aaron Shannon on his plantation "to call his hands together for their daily tasks."

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Nothing worse than a racist bell.

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TeamPlayer said:

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There's honestly nothing left to post on this thread. I don't support this.

We're going to wake up one day and find that Baylor has hired an LGBTQ+ President. Or Dean of Truett Seminary.

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Don't know about the latter but the first statement needs to read "there should be a statue of John Hill Westbrook" in a prominent location on campus.

drahthaar said:

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TeamPlayer said:

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There's honestly nothing left to post on this thread. I don't support this.

We're going to wake up one day and find that Baylor has hired an LGBTQ+ President. Or Dean of Truett Seminary.

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Don't know about the latter but the first statement needs to read "there should be a statue of John Hill Westbrook" in a prominent location on campus.

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Agreed. https://baylorbears.com/news/2018/2/8/John_Westbrook_Blazed_A_Trail_For_Others_To_Dream_And_Follow.aspx

C. Jordan said:

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Wangchung said:

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C. Jordan said:

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Good for BU!

Acknowledging and confessing our sins is as biblical and conservative as it gets!

The only sad part is that it will take away a great BU legend.

Do you know why Burleson's hat is filled with cement.

Back in the 1920's, miscreant BU students would stuff rags in his hat and set them on fire.

Then they would call the Fire Dept., crying, "Burleson's on fire!"

Naturally, the Fire Dept. assumed this meant Burleson Hall, and dispatched firefighters.

Otherwise, he won't be missed.

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Taking responsibility for the sins of those long dead is neither conservative or biblical. It's 100% virtue signaling to the woke mob. Nothing more.

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Nope.

Acknowledging that we benefit from the results of those sins to this day is the work of Christ.

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You're not just acknowledging what you're buying into, you're supporting efforts at remediation which is turning into a movement for supporting discrimination to arrive at "equality".

Dr. Thomas Sowell said racism is almost dead except for a few hustlers.

Do we have a statue of the first graduate of Baylor University?