-- Barack Obama
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The teenage gunman who killed 19 young children at a Texas elementary school worked at Wendy's to save up $4,000 to purchase the guns he used in the massacre.
A former co-worker of Salvador Ramos, 18, described the school shooter as a 'rude, creepy and scruffy' guy who she would keep her distance from because he felt unsafe.
Grace Cruz, also 18, told The Sun she worked with the 'demented' teen at the fast-food chain restaurant in Uvalde, Texas, located just minutes from Robb Elementary School - the site of his mass shooting.
She claimed Ramos openly talked about using the money he earned at Wendy's to purchase guns and ammo, adding that he 'suddenly quit' weeks before Tuesday's shooting.
Thank you Jack. Had not seen this.Jack Bauer said:
Texas elementary school killer Salvador Ramos got job at Wendy's to save up $4,000 for guns | Daily Mail OnlineQuote:
The teenage gunman who killed 19 young children at a Texas elementary school worked at Wendy's to save up $4,000 to purchase the guns he used in the massacre.
A former co-worker of Salvador Ramos, 18, described the school shooter as a 'rude, creepy and scruffy' guy who she would keep her distance from because he felt unsafe.
Grace Cruz, also 18, told The Sun she worked with the 'demented' teen at the fast-food chain restaurant in Uvalde, Texas, located just minutes from Robb Elementary School - the site of his mass shooting.
She claimed Ramos openly talked about using the money he earned at Wendy's to purchase guns and ammo, adding that he 'suddenly quit' weeks before Tuesday's shooting.
Or on a government program.Forest Bueller said:
How dare you place blame on the actual evil individual and not guns, rifles, Republicans, and redneck Texans.
Forest Bueller said:
How dare you place blame on the actual evil individual and not guns, rifles, Republicans, and redneck Texans.
SIC EM 94 said:
Guy was a ticking time bomb.
https://www.rawstory.com/salvador-ramos/?cx_testId=15&cx_testVariant=cx_1&cx_artPos=0&cx_experienceId=EXQZWTHDAGO3&fs=e&s=cl#cxrecs_s
Whilst i agree with your second statement, and a lot of these Murderers do come from broken homes, its not the only cause and many of them dont, The Virginia Tech shooter came from a loving, supportive, Christian Family whos parents ran a business together, both of the Colombine killers came from unbroken homes, as did the Sutherland Springs shooter..Mothra said:SIC EM 94 said:
Guy was a ticking time bomb.
https://www.rawstory.com/salvador-ramos/?cx_testId=15&cx_testVariant=cx_1&cx_artPos=0&cx_experienceId=EXQZWTHDAGO3&fs=e&s=cl#cxrecs_s
Common denominator for all of these nuts is a f***ed up family situation.
It's so important to be a loving, available parent to our kids.
I would add that in NONE of these cases was there one cause but rather a list of causes that built up together to lead to this, which is what I think you are hinting at but I wanted to clearly address.cms186 said:Whilst i agree with your second statement, and a lot of these Murderers do come from broken homes, its not the only cause and many of them dont, The Virginia Tech shooter came from a loving, supportive, Christian Family whos parents ran a business together, both of the Colombine killers came from unbroken homes, as did the Sutherland Springs shooter..Mothra said:SIC EM 94 said:
Guy was a ticking time bomb.
https://www.rawstory.com/salvador-ramos/?cx_testId=15&cx_testVariant=cx_1&cx_artPos=0&cx_experienceId=EXQZWTHDAGO3&fs=e&s=cl#cxrecs_s
Common denominator for all of these nuts is a f***ed up family situation.
It's so important to be a loving, available parent to our kids.
Mental Illness is the issue here, I would guess, with Family situations being an aggravating aspect of it.
cms186 said:Mothra said:SIC EM 94 said:
Guy was a ticking time bomb.
https://www.rawstory.com/salvador-ramos/?cx_testId=15&cx_testVariant=cx_1&cx_artPos=0&cx_experienceId=EXQZWTHDAGO3&fs=e&s=cl#cxrecs_s
Common denominator for all of these nuts is a f***ed up family situation.
It's so important to be a loving, available parent to our kids.
Mental Illness is the issue here, I would guess, with Family situations being an aggravating aspect of it.
Yeah, there is rarely one single cause and therefore there is rarely going to be one single solutioncowboycwr said:I would add that in NONE of these cases was there one cause but rather a list of causes that built up together to lead to this, which is what I think you are hinting at but I wanted to clearly address.cms186 said:Whilst i agree with your second statement, and a lot of these Murderers do come from broken homes, its not the only cause and many of them dont, The Virginia Tech shooter came from a loving, supportive, Christian Family whos parents ran a business together, both of the Colombine killers came from unbroken homes, as did the Sutherland Springs shooter..Mothra said:SIC EM 94 said:
Guy was a ticking time bomb.
https://www.rawstory.com/salvador-ramos/?cx_testId=15&cx_testVariant=cx_1&cx_artPos=0&cx_experienceId=EXQZWTHDAGO3&fs=e&s=cl#cxrecs_s
Common denominator for all of these nuts is a f***ed up family situation.
It's so important to be a loving, available parent to our kids.
Mental Illness is the issue here, I would guess, with Family situations being an aggravating aspect of it.
It is like the solution side of the discussion. There is not ONE solution to stop shootings that works at every school across America. There should be a combination of solutions.
cms186 said:Yeah, there is rarely one single cause and therefore there is rarely going to be one single solutioncowboycwr said:I would add that in NONE of these cases was there one cause but rather a list of causes that built up together to lead to this, which is what I think you are hinting at but I wanted to clearly address.cms186 said:Whilst i agree with your second statement, and a lot of these Murderers do come from broken homes, its not the only cause and many of them dont, The Virginia Tech shooter came from a loving, supportive, Christian Family whos parents ran a business together, both of the Colombine killers came from unbroken homes, as did the Sutherland Springs shooter..Mothra said:SIC EM 94 said:
Guy was a ticking time bomb.
https://www.rawstory.com/salvador-ramos/?cx_testId=15&cx_testVariant=cx_1&cx_artPos=0&cx_experienceId=EXQZWTHDAGO3&fs=e&s=cl#cxrecs_s
Common denominator for all of these nuts is a f***ed up family situation.
It's so important to be a loving, available parent to our kids.
Mental Illness is the issue here, I would guess, with Family situations being an aggravating aspect of it.
It is like the solution side of the discussion. There is not ONE solution to stop shootings that works at every school across America. There should be a combination of solutions.
Fair point. There are a number of factors. Add bullying to the list.cms186 said:Whilst i agree with your second statement, and a lot of these Murderers do come from broken homes, its not the only cause and many of them dont, The Virginia Tech shooter came from a loving, supportive, Christian Family whos parents ran a business together, both of the Colombine killers came from unbroken homes, as did the Sutherland Springs shooter..Mothra said:SIC EM 94 said:
Guy was a ticking time bomb.
https://www.rawstory.com/salvador-ramos/?cx_testId=15&cx_testVariant=cx_1&cx_artPos=0&cx_experienceId=EXQZWTHDAGO3&fs=e&s=cl#cxrecs_s
Common denominator for all of these nuts is a f***ed up family situation.
It's so important to be a loving, available parent to our kids.
Mental Illness is the issue here, I would guess, with Family situations being an aggravating aspect of it.
Mom is a drug addict. Grandmother is having mom evicted from a house that grandmother owns. But for some reason he takes it out on grandmother. Drugs causing total dysfunction. He may never have gotten any degree of real affection ever.atomicblast said:
Thing that struck was his ****ty family life. Mom kicked him out of her household, dad not in the picture and his grandpa barely remembered it was his 18th birthday last month. If your family dont give a **** about you, and the world wont, where are you supposed to get joy out of today's ****ed up society?
Yeah him shooting the grandmother was odd. The thing I saw in the interview that the grandfather gave sounded like she was the only one who bothered to take him out. The decay of the nuclear family is one of the most toxic things today's youth has to deal with.Robert Wilson said:Mom is a drug addict. Grandmother is having mom evicted from a house that grandmother owns. But for some reason he takes it out on grandmother. Drugs causing total dysfunction. He may never have gotten any degree of real affection ever.atomicblast said:
Thing that struck was his ****ty family life. Mom kicked him out of her household, dad not in the picture and his grandpa barely remembered it was his 18th birthday last month. If your family dont give a **** about you, and the world wont, where are you supposed to get joy out of today's ****ed up society?
Yup. Feeling loved by your parents is so important to kids. Your chances of committing a crime increase exponentially with an absent parent.atomicblast said:
Thing that struck was his ****ty family life. Mom kicked him out of her household, dad not in the picture and his grandpa barely remembered it was his 18th birthday last month. If your family dont give a **** about you, and the world wont, where are you supposed to get joy out of today's ****ed up society?
Did, did we just agree on something? ****Mothra said:Fair point. There are a number of factors. Add bullying to the list.cms186 said:Whilst i agree with your second statement, and a lot of these Murderers do come from broken homes, its not the only cause and many of them dont, The Virginia Tech shooter came from a loving, supportive, Christian Family whos parents ran a business together, both of the Colombine killers came from unbroken homes, as did the Sutherland Springs shooter..Mothra said:SIC EM 94 said:
Guy was a ticking time bomb.
https://www.rawstory.com/salvador-ramos/?cx_testId=15&cx_testVariant=cx_1&cx_artPos=0&cx_experienceId=EXQZWTHDAGO3&fs=e&s=cl#cxrecs_s
Common denominator for all of these nuts is a f***ed up family situation.
It's so important to be a loving, available parent to our kids.
Mental Illness is the issue here, I would guess, with Family situations being an aggravating aspect of it.
This pretty much seems like the blueprint for this. Broken home and absent father, no friends, no church or positive influence, add in bad influences online etc and he was probably picked on in school. When you add all of that up it seems like no reason to live. This post modern society can be pretty depressing.atomicblast said:Yeah him shooting the grandmother was odd. The thing I saw in the interview that the grandfather gave sounded like she was the only one who bothered to take him out. The decay of the nuclear family is one of the most toxic things today's youth has to deal with.Robert Wilson said:Mom is a drug addict. Grandmother is having mom evicted from a house that grandmother owns. But for some reason he takes it out on grandmother. Drugs causing total dysfunction. He may never have gotten any degree of real affection ever.atomicblast said:
Thing that struck was his ****ty family life. Mom kicked him out of her household, dad not in the picture and his grandpa barely remembered it was his 18th birthday last month. If your family dont give a **** about you, and the world wont, where are you supposed to get joy out of today's ****ed up society?
Indeed. We have different politics, but I have always found you to be reasonable. You're not a hyper partisan, IMO.cms186 said:Did, did we just agree on something? ****Mothra said:Fair point. There are a number of factors. Add bullying to the list.cms186 said:Whilst i agree with your second statement, and a lot of these Murderers do come from broken homes, its not the only cause and many of them dont, The Virginia Tech shooter came from a loving, supportive, Christian Family whos parents ran a business together, both of the Colombine killers came from unbroken homes, as did the Sutherland Springs shooter..Mothra said:SIC EM 94 said:
Guy was a ticking time bomb.
https://www.rawstory.com/salvador-ramos/?cx_testId=15&cx_testVariant=cx_1&cx_artPos=0&cx_experienceId=EXQZWTHDAGO3&fs=e&s=cl#cxrecs_s
Common denominator for all of these nuts is a f***ed up family situation.
It's so important to be a loving, available parent to our kids.
Mental Illness is the issue here, I would guess, with Family situations being an aggravating aspect of it.
I think Bullying is a big part of this, most of these kids seem to be from "outcast" cliques or are loners, you rarely see Jocks or popular kids as the perpetrators here
My friend ...I promise you this .Mothra said:Yup. Feeling loved by your parents is so important to kids. Your chances of committing a crime increase exponentially with an absent parent.atomicblast said:
Thing that struck was his ****ty family life. Mom kicked him out of her household, dad not in the picture and his grandpa barely remembered it was his 18th birthday last month. If your family dont give a **** about you, and the world wont, where are you supposed to get joy out of today's ****ed up society?
Well said.Doc Holliday said:
Contrary to popular belief, it's not actually mental illness causing these shootings. By that I mean the overwhelming majority of shooters aren't a classical case you'd find in DSM 5.
Shootings are a symptom of nihilism and psychological confusion. It's a form of revenge against existing. They find themselves as adjudicators of reality or the ultimate critic.
Heroin, meth, crack and a host of other drugs cause brain damage .Robert Wilson said:Well said.Doc Holliday said:
Contrary to popular belief, it's not actually mental illness causing these shootings. By that I mean the overwhelming majority of shooters aren't a classical case you'd find in DSM 5.
Shootings are a symptom of nihilism and psychological confusion. It's a form of revenge against existing. They find themselves as adjudicators of reality or the ultimate critic.
Lots of these kids ... it wasn't a foregone conclusion they were going to end up doing something like this. A combination of factors has them lashing out at society in the most hurtful/harmful way they can imagine. If absolutely nothing has value and you're furious (a contradiction they don't recognize), killing kids is the ultimate revenge statement.
Good points .FormerFlash said:
Disturbed youth who are ostracized or self-isolating can now find faux "communities" of others in darker parts of the internet to feed their vitriol. People they convince themselves actually care about them when in reality it is an ersatz form of real interpersonal connection.
There are a number of factors that have all combined over the last several decades to create a perfect, horrible storm.
Breakdown of communities and the nuclear family
Steady removal of God from everyday life
Desensitization to violence via tv, movies, video games
The rise of social media
Easy access to pornography and other horrible things online
atomicblast said:
Thing that struck was his ****ty family life. Mom kicked him out of her household, dad not in the picture and his grandpa barely remembered it was his 18th birthday last month. If your family dont give a **** about you, and the world wont, where are you supposed to get joy out of today's ****ed up society?
2/ In never before released body camera footage and post-action interviews, officers described realizing the gunman had an AR-15 style rifle and concluding that confronting him would be too dangerous because of its firepower. https://t.co/mk4yrtPAE7 pic.twitter.com/yrn3YUstoU
— Texas Tribune (@TexasTribune) March 20, 2023
3/ Even though some officers were armed with the same rifle, they waited for a Border Patrol SWAT team that had more protective armor, stronger shields and more tactical training.
— Texas Tribune (@TexasTribune) March 20, 2023
Bullets from AR-15s can penetrate standard body armor worn by police. https://t.co/mk4yrtPAE7
5/ The AR-15 has significantly more power than handguns though it’s less powerful than some hunting rifles. It can fire a bullet with nearly three times the energy of the larger round common in police pistols. https://t.co/mk4yrtPAE7 pic.twitter.com/9baALp2n37
— Texas Tribune (@TexasTribune) March 20, 2023
Wow...I am really starting to not like this guy.Quote:
Uvalde shooter was a high school dropout and unemployed.
Sam Lowry said:Wow...I am really starting to not like this guy.Quote:
Uvalde shooter was a high school dropout and unemployed.