Man drowns as Arizona police watch: 'I'm not jumping in after you'

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Read the second half of this story and your opinion may be different from the way you feel after reading the headline. Guy is told not to jump in water, then jumps in water, swims relatively well, then gets in trouble and wants police to jump in to save him. I wish the guy hadn't drowned but it really is self inflicted. This isn't Uvalde.

Man drowns as Arizona police watch: 'I'm not jumping in after you'
Sean Bickings pleaded for help as he struggled to stay afloat in a reservoir in Tempe, Ariz., late last month. But Tempe police officers watched without intervening as Bickings went underwater and did not come back up, according to city officials and a transcript of body-camera footage.
"I'm going to drown. I'm going to drown," said Bickings, 34, according to a transcript of video from the May 28 incident released by city officials.
"Okay, I'm not jumping in after you," an officer, identified as Officer 1 in the transcript, said moments later, after directing Bickings to grab onto a bridge.
"Please help me," Bickings said. "Please, please, please."
Soon after, Bickings drowned, according to a Friday news release by city officials.
Now, three Tempe police officers have been put on "non-disciplinary paid administrative leave" as the Arizona Department of Public Safety and the Scottsdale Police Department investigate the officers' response at the city of Tempe's request, city officials said. The city has not released the names of the officers.

In a statement, Police Chief Jeff Glover and City Manager Andrew Ching called Bickings's death a "tragedy." Glover met with Bickings's mother last week, according to officials.
The Tempe Officers Association, the city's police union, did not immediately respond to a request for comment late Sunday.
Just after 5 a.m. on May 28, Tempe police officers responded to an apparent disturbance between Bickings and a woman at the Tempe Center for the Arts, which sits on a promenade along the Tempe Town Lake, a reservoir in the city. In its statement, the city referred to Bickings as "unsheltered."
Body-camera footage released by the city shows officers approach and speak to a woman who identified herself as Bickings's wife. As she picked up her belongings off the ground, she explained that she and Bickings sometimes have disagreements but said that he did not physically harm her.
Two of the officers then walked over to Bickings, who was seated on a bench facing the water, according to the body-camera footage. By this point, the officers were running the couple's names for outstanding warrants, a standard procedure, according to the city. The police later said Bickings had three outstanding warrants, the Arizona Republic reported.
But those did not come up during Bickings's encounter with police, according to the body-camera footage, which shows the officers trying to make small talk with Bickings as they ran the check.
That's when Bickings slowly climbed over a short fence dividing the boardwalk and the water. When one of the officers asked what Bickings was doing, Bickings replied that he was going "for a swim."
"I'm free to go, right?" Bickings asked.
The officers said he was not allowed to swim in the lake, but Bickings waded in and started swimming a freestyle stroke toward a bridge, according to the body-camera footage.
"How far do you think he's going to be able to swim?" one of the officers asked, according to the footage.
Two of the officers then walked onto the bridge Bickings had swum under and watched him, according to the body-camera footage, which at that point ends "due to the sensitive nature of the remaining portion of the recording," officials wrote at the end of the video.
Instead, the city provided a transcript of the remaining portion, which indicates that Bickings became increasingly distressed as he remained in the water. Bickings told the officers he was going to "drown," according to the transcript.
"No, you're not," an officer, identified as Officer 2, replied.
Officer 1 then directed Bickings to "go to the pylon and hold on."
"I'm drowning," Bickings said.
"Come back over to the pylon," Officer 2 said.
"I can't," Bickings said. "I can't."
"Okay, I'm not jumping in after you," Officer 1 said.
Bickings then begged for help and said moments later, "I can't touch. Oh God. Please help me. Help me."
Bickings's partner then joined the officers and begged them to help Bickings, according to the transcript. The officers told her to persuade Bickings to swim toward the bridge pylon. She tried and became increasingly upset. At one point, according to the transcript, Bickings's partner tried to jump over the railing to help Bickings but did not end up doing so.
"I'm just distraught because he's drowning right in front of you and you won't help," Bickings's partner said.
The officers continued to tell her to calm down, saying a third officer was getting a boat.
"No, no, no. Swim," the woman replied, using an expletive.
"You're not helping," Officer 2 said.
Moments later, Officer 1 said that Bickings "went underneath and hasn't come up since about 30 seconds ago."
For the remainder of the transcript, the officers did not address Bickings. Bickings's partner continued to tell the officers that she loved Bickings.
"He's everything I got," she said. "I can't lose him, he's going to die."
Officials said Bickings swam no more than 40 yards before he became distressed and "soon went under and did not resurface."
The Arizona Republic reported that a team with Tempe Fire Medical Rescue pulled Bickings's body out of the water just before 11:30 a.m.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/06/06/tempe-police-bickings-drowning/
bularry
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terrible, but dude essentially committed suicide.

I think it is wise for the PD to review the case, but I'd be surprised if they find any fault with the officers.
Harrison Bergeron
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bularry said:

terrible, but dude essentially committed suicide.

I think it is wise for the PD to review the case, but I'd be surprised if they find any fault with the officers.
I tend to agree.
STxBear81
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moral of the story: trust what people say
Fre3dombear
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Is there a race associated with this individual? Was it a suicide by cop situation?
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Fre3dombear said:

Is there a race associated with this individual? Was it a suicide by cop situation?
race has nothing to do with it.

It is very dangerous to attempt a deep water rescue. It is far easier to be drown by a drowning person, than to actually save that person.

One of the first things you are taught during deep water rescue training, is how to keep the person from grabbing onto you and drowning you.

This guy was obviously not very good at listening to the advice/instructions of others. I would have thrown a rope, but probably wouldn't have jumped in after him.

Having 3 warrants for arrest just gives more evidence that he probably was not worth the risk... he probably would have drown somebody else with him. A sad history of bad choices... and this last one cost him everything.
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br53
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Why should they go out there and be drowned by some fool who wouldnt listen. They didnt sign up to be killed. Protect and Serve: they tried to protect him but he wouldnt listen.
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ShooterTX said:

Fre3dombear said:

Is there a race associated with this individual? Was it a suicide by cop situation?
race has nothing to do with it.

It is very dangerous to attempt a deep water rescue. It is far easier to be drown by a drowning person, than to actually save that person.

One of the first things you are taught during deep water rescue training, is how to keep the person from grabbing onto you and drowning you.

This guy was obviously not very good at listening to the advice/instructions of others. I would have thrown a rope, but probably wouldn't have jumped in after him.

Having 3 warrants for arrest just gives more evidence that he probably was not worth the risk... he probably would have drown somebody else with him. A sad history of bad choices... and this last one cost him everything.


Where've you been? Race has everything to do with it. It's the #1 factor regarding whether we hear anything else about this or not.
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He is probably white: Sean Bickings. No sane black man would jump in a go for a swim so in Arizona that narrows it down to white or latino.
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br53 said:

He is probably white: Sean Bickings.


The cops race will be important too. Need all the facts to come out. Such a shame. Maybe the guy was in drugs like so many others that die around cops
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In the video it appeared his wife was white. Hard to say for sure. She was having a panic attack maybe. Officers were white it appears. She said her husband "by his ancestral traditions" was From Japan. Can't easily say but the husband didn't appear generally to be indigenously from Japan also seemed to be having some kind of anxiety attack or mental issues or generally didn't want to be near the cops or maybe anyone.

Sad story.
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Fre3dombear said:

br53 said:

He is probably white: Sean Bickings.


The cops race will be important too. Need all the facts to come out. Such a shame. Maybe the guy was in drugs like so many others that die around cops
I used to watch Cops a lot. Almost all the cops in AZ are white or latino too.
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I don't think these cops could have done anything if they wanted to.
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The city said Bickings "swam about 30-40 yards before repeatedly indicating he was in distress."

It added: "He soon went under and did not resurface."

He went under after only traveling 40 yards in moving water. That's very fast.
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Doc Holliday said:

I don't think these cops could have done anything if they wanted to.
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The city said Bickings "swam about 30-40 yards before repeatedly indicating he was in distress."

It added: "He soon went under and did not resurface."

He went under after only traveling 40 yards in moving water. That's very fast.


If you watch the video, there's not much in the way of moving water. This couple seemed to have some serious mental issues
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Fre3dombear said:

Is there a race associated with this individual? Was it a suicide by cop situation?
Swimming was involved.
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Fre3dombear said:

Doc Holliday said:

I don't think these cops could have done anything if they wanted to.
Quote:

The city said Bickings "swam about 30-40 yards before repeatedly indicating he was in distress."

It added: "He soon went under and did not resurface."

He went under after only traveling 40 yards in moving water. That's very fast.


If you watch the video, there's not much in the way of moving water. This couple seemed to have some serious mental issues
it looks like a couple of homeless drug addicts to me.

the guy was in no condition to attempt to swim across that lake... not even close.
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Fre3dombear said:

Is there a race associated with this individual? Was it a suicide by cop situation?



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I couldnt listen to cries for help and not help. I worked as a life guard years ago and had training. I swim often in the gulf and cenotes. If the policemen were trained in water safety and their job is to serve and protect they should have done more.

Saying a man with three outstanding warrants isnt worth trying to save says a lot. Not very Christ like. It doesnt say he was gay or bi or trans.. Whats the hold up?
I have found theres only two ways to go:
Living fast or dying slow.
I dont want to live forever.
But I will live while I'm here.
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ShooterTX said:

Fre3dombear said:

Doc Holliday said:

I don't think these cops could have done anything if they wanted to.
Quote:

The city said Bickings "swam about 30-40 yards before repeatedly indicating he was in distress."

It added: "He soon went under and did not resurface."

He went under after only traveling 40 yards in moving water. That's very fast.


If you watch the video, there's not much in the way of moving water. This couple seemed to have some serious mental issues
it looks like a couple of homeless drug addicts to me.

the guy was in no condition to attempt to swim across that lake... not even close.
my thoughts, too. just really sad, frankly
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Fre3dombear said:

Doc Holliday said:

I don't think these cops could have done anything if they wanted to.
Quote:

The city said Bickings "swam about 30-40 yards before repeatedly indicating he was in distress."

It added: "He soon went under and did not resurface."

He went under after only traveling 40 yards in moving water. That's very fast.


If you watch the video, there's not much in the way of moving water. This couple seemed to have some serious mental issues


It was in Tempe town lake.

Would be like a guy drowning in Lake brazos by the law school or lady bird lake in downtown Austin.

Very little of any current or undertow.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempe_Town_Lake
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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

I couldnt listen to cries for help and not help.
It is a shame you were not there. The world would be a better place because of your heroic efforts.

Seriously, I cannot fault anyone for not jumping in after a drowning person. I did that once and am lucky to have not drowned myself.
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He was a human being. I don't think my humanity could withstand letting another human being drown when I could do anything about it.
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Those folks seemed to be seriously drug impared, to the point of having some level of brain damage.

You can't expect an officer to commit suicide, to save you from commiting suicide.

I don't think the guy had the capacity to fully comprend what he was doing. He had ZERO chance to swim
across that water.

I had a first cousin fry their brains with drugs very close to what I saw here.

He too committed suicide.
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Amal Shuq-Up said:

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

I couldnt listen to cries for help and not help.
It is a shame you were not there. The world would be a better place because of your heroic efforts.
I dont think it made much difference if the guy lived or not. Certainly not to the posters on this forum. I could not stand and listen to a man cry for help as he died. Just the way I was raised. I understand not everyone is the same.
I have found theres only two ways to go:
Living fast or dying slow.
I dont want to live forever.
But I will live while I'm here.
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I wonder how many people have mental issues due to drugs, including babies born to drug addicts.
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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

Amal Shuq-Up said:

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

I couldnt listen to cries for help and not help.
It is a shame you were not there. The world would be a better place because of your heroic efforts.
I dont think it made much difference if the guy lived or not. Certainly not to the posters on this forum. I could not stand and listen to a man cry for help as he died. Just the way I was raised. I understand not everyone is the same.
I hope if you are ever confronted with a similar situation that you will not jump in a river after a grown man. Trying to rescue the drowning is very dangerous.
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Amal Shuq-Up said:

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

Amal Shuq-Up said:

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

I couldnt listen to cries for help and not help.
It is a shame you were not there. The world would be a better place because of your heroic efforts.
I dont think it made much difference if the guy lived or not. Certainly not to the posters on this forum. I could not stand and listen to a man cry for help as he died. Just the way I was raised. I understand not everyone is the same.
I hope if you are ever confronted with a similar situation that you will not jump in a river after a grown man. Trying to rescue the drowning is very dangerous.
Very. Takes special training. As a lifeguard, I swam out after a kid who broke his leg. Me and another lifeguard did the "dummy in the front" routine where you distract the drowning person with someone swimming right at them and the real rescuer comes up from behind them. I was the "dummy" and got too close. 120 lb kid with a broken leg KO'd me trying to climb on top of me. I had to be rescued. Scary stuff.
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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

I couldnt listen to cries for help and not help. I worked as a life guard years ago and had training. I swim often in the gulf and cenotes. If the policemen were trained in water safety and their job is to serve and protect they should have done more.

Saying a man with three outstanding warrants isnt worth trying to save says a lot. Not very Christ like. It doesnt say he was gay or bi or trans.. Whats the hold up?
I didn't say that he wasn't worth saving.

I said that he obviously had a history of making bad choices... and then he made another bad choice that finally cost him his life.
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ShooterTX said:

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

I couldnt listen to cries for help and not help. I worked as a life guard years ago and had training. I swim often in the gulf and cenotes. If the policemen were trained in water safety and their job is to serve and protect they should have done more.

Saying a man with three outstanding warrants isnt worth trying to save says a lot. Not very Christ like. It doesnt say he was gay or bi or trans.. Whats the hold up?
I didn't say that he wasn't worth saving.

I said that he obviously had a history of making bad choices... and then he made another bad choice that finally cost him his life.


Having 3 warrants for arrest just gives more evidence that he probably was not worth the risk...


Sorry i guess i misread this.

I have training and am a good swimmer. I would have tried. I could not have stood there and done nothing.
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Living fast or dying slow.
I dont want to live forever.
But I will live while I'm here.
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OsoCoreyell said:

Amal Shuq-Up said:

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

Amal Shuq-Up said:

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

I couldnt listen to cries for help and not help.
It is a shame you were not there. The world would be a better place because of your heroic efforts.
I dont think it made much difference if the guy lived or not. Certainly not to the posters on this forum. I could not stand and listen to a man cry for help as he died. Just the way I was raised. I understand not everyone is the same.
I hope if you are ever confronted with a similar situation that you will not jump in a river after a grown man. Trying to rescue the drowning is very dangerous.
Very. Takes special training. As a lifeguard, I swam out after a kid who broke his leg. Me and another lifeguard did the "dummy in the front" routine where you distract the drowning person with someone swimming right at them and the real rescuer comes up from behind them. I was the "dummy" and got too close. 120 lb kid with a broken leg KO'd me trying to climb on top of me. I had to be rescued. Scary stuff.
exactly.

I worked for a few summers as a lifeguard. I rescued about 11 kids and only 2 adults. Back then I was playing LB in high school. I was 5' 11 and 190lbs, in excellent shape. Both rescues of adults nearly cost me my life. Thankfully both of those were in diving pools, instead of lakes or big rivers. The largest person I rescued was a woman who was in her 40s. She probably weighed around 170lbs, and she dang near killed me. I doubt I would have made it in a body of water similar to that lake in the video. I did rescue a 100lb kid out of a large lake. Thankfully I was large enough to grab him and hold him steady. He fought me, but had no chance to break free or swing around on me. After a few seconds, I was able to calm him down for the rest of the swim back to the dock.

The guy in that video was very large, and he got pretty far away from the shoreline. If the average person jumped in to try and rescue him, they would be dead right now. He had already demonstrated that he was out of his mind, so there is no chance that he would have reacted rationally or obeyed any commands... it would have just added to the body count.
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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

ShooterTX said:

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

I couldnt listen to cries for help and not help. I worked as a life guard years ago and had training. I swim often in the gulf and cenotes. If the policemen were trained in water safety and their job is to serve and protect they should have done more.

Saying a man with three outstanding warrants isnt worth trying to save says a lot. Not very Christ like. It doesnt say he was gay or bi or trans.. Whats the hold up?
I didn't say that he wasn't worth saving.

I said that he obviously had a history of making bad choices... and then he made another bad choice that finally cost him his life.


Having 3 warrants for arrest just gives more evidence that he probably was not worth the risk...


Sorry i guess i misread this.

I have training and am a good swimmer. I would have tried. I could not have stood there and done nothing.
nope... just went back and re-read my comment. I see why you thought I said that. My intention was to say that he had a history of bad decision making, and he probably would not have responded well to instructions by a rescue swimmer.

I worded my comment very poorly... sorry about that.
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Amal Shuq-Up said:

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

Amal Shuq-Up said:

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

I couldnt listen to cries for help and not help.
It is a shame you were not there. The world would be a better place because of your heroic efforts.
I dont think it made much difference if the guy lived or not. Certainly not to the posters on this forum. I could not stand and listen to a man cry for help as he died. Just the way I was raised. I understand not everyone is the same.
I hope if you are ever confronted with a similar situation that you will not jump in a river after a grown man. Trying to rescue the drowning is very dangerous.


Except for a small backyard pool type situation, I can't swim much. If I went after him there would be two deaths. If an officer had Lifeguard training they should have gone for him.

I pulled a kid out of a hotel pool with help from my wife once. His mom had lost track of him in the water, was yelling, and we were lucky enough to see him flailing just under the surface. We got lucky.

These cops had all kinds of heavy equipment on. They should have called in the water rescue folks. But, holding them at fault when you don't know their lifesaving ability is unwise. May not have been a strong swimmer/lifeguard type in the lot.
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I am about the same size you were. I was on a swim team, taught swimming out at Lions Park, worked as life guard out at Fish Pond. I still swim a lot here. I dont think the number of warrants should be a factor but thats just me.

Woth an adult still struggling i could tske off my pants and sling a pants leg to him and tow him. I know better than toblet him climb on me. We were taught to go under water turn them around and come in from behind ( not a butt sex reference calm down). Theres slso a hair pull. You can make a decent life jacket from a pair of pants. There were three policeman there.
Maybe the policeman should be trained better but that man should not have drowned imo.
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Living fast or dying slow.
I dont want to live forever.
But I will live while I'm here.
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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

I am about the same size you were. I was on a swim team, taught swimming out at Lions Park, worked as life guard out at Fish Pond. I still swim a lot here. I dont think the number of warrants should be a factor but thats just me.

Woth an adult still struggling i could tske off my pants and sling a pants leg to him and tow him. I know better than toblet him climb on me. We were taught to go under water turn them around and come in from behind ( not a butt sex reference calm down). Theres slso a hair pull. You can make a decent life jacket from a pair of pants. There were three policeman there. A spare tire floats very well and is a good barrier to protect the rescuer.
Maybe the policeman should be trained better but that man should not have drowned imo.
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Living fast or dying slow.
I dont want to live forever.
But I will live while I'm here.
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Seems like this story is a bad attempt to attack police.

Police are not trained to be lifeguards and do deep water rescues.

Think about what an officer wears- vest, full clothes, belt with gun, radio, ammo, handcuffs, usually boots or sturdy shoes, etc. Lots of extra weight, and once wet would slow them down when they jump in or require a minute to take it all off to then jump in.

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