please define "vaccine" for us

Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Debunked.

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/06/scicheck-research-rebuts-baseless-claims-linking-covid-19-vaccines-to-male-infertility/

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LOL Do you really think anyone here doesn't understand that you keep debunking straw men rather than the point actually made?

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You made two points in your earlier post: that the purpose of vaccination was always to prevent infection and that Berenson was banned from Twitter for a claim that was later taken up by mainstream media. Both of those claims are false. Covid vaccines were designed and tested for effectiveness against severe disease and death. The clinical trials didn't even directly measure effectiveness against transmission because that was never the purpose. Berenson was banned for claiming that vaccines were incapable of stopping transmission and were therefore therapeutics rather than vaccines. As I just explained, that definition of vaccines is not correct and was never mainstream. What the MSM did report is that transmission sometimes occurs. That is also true of other vaccines, and in no way does it support Berenson's point. Your last post, about sperm count, links an outlier study with little information beyond its conclusion. More important, changes in sperm count have already been explained by fever, which can occur for any number of reasons including Covid itself or other diseases or vaccines. Berenson also misreads the data to claim there was reduced sperm count after five months, when in fact the five-month evaluation showed complete recovery. On this point he is debunked by his own source.

There's a reason why Berenson is fatal to the credibility of anyone who cites him. His record of misinformation is well documented and practically endless.

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Both of your assertions are patently false.

Strawman #1: The vaccines were sold to the American public as a defense against infection, with a 95% efficacy on that point specifically. We were all there. We all heard it. You can't revise the history. The "protection against infection" claim was launched as a defense against mounting evidence that protection against infection was waning. Berenson was/is correct to point that out, and his assertions initially labeled as misinformation have routinely been verified. .None of that should be a surprise. Waning efficacy was disclosed in financial reporting documents to Wall Street. CDC had to have known. But they didn't disclose to the public.....

Strawman #2: Berenson was indeed banned for a tweet that 60 days later was an Axios headline. That is the routine. He makes a fact based observation based on his own sources which conflict with established narrative. He is then denounced as a crackpot. Weeks/months later, lo & behold, facts and events emerge which show he was mostly or completely correct.

The strawman in the last link quoted was your most disingenuous of all. Berenson did not claim permanent sterility - his critics implied that he did so to create the strawman you linked to debunk a claim he did not make. Further, in the cited article, he explicitly notes that the reduced counts were for a 5 month duration, not what you claimed he claimed.

I am quite disappointed that you think we are stupid enough not to see thru your sophomoric strawman constructions.

Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Debunked.

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/06/scicheck-research-rebuts-baseless-claims-linking-covid-19-vaccines-to-male-infertility/

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LOL Do you really think anyone here doesn't understand that you keep debunking straw men rather than the point actually made?

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Covid vaccines were designed and tested for effectiveness against severe disease and death. The clinical trials didn't even directly measure effectiveness against transmission because that was never the purpose.

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Debunked.

https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-conclude-phase-3-study-covid-19-vaccine#:~:text=Analysis%20of%20the%20data%20indicates,days%20after%20the%20second%20dose.

"NEW YORK & MAINZ, Germany--(BUSINESS WIRE)-- Pfizer Inc. (NYSE: PFE) and BioNTech SE (Nasdaq: BNTX) today announced that, after conducting the final efficacy analysis in their ongoing Phase 3 study, their mRNA-based COVID-19 vaccine candidate, BNT162b2, met all of the study's primary efficacy endpoints. Analysis of the data indicates a vaccine efficacy rate of 95% (p<0.0001) in participants without prior SARS-CoV-2 infection (first primary objective) and also in participants with and without prior SARS-CoV-2 infection (second primary objective), in each case measured from 7 days after the second dose. The first primary objective analysis is based on 170 cases of COVID-19, as specified in the study protocol, of which 162 cases of COVID-19 were observed in the placebo group versus 8 cases in the BNT162b2 group. Efficacy was consistent across age, gender, race and ethnicity demographics. The observed efficacy in adults over 65 years of age was over 94%."

"Efficacy" is the degree to which a vaccine prevents disease and transmission, under ideal and controlled circumstances comparing a vaccinated group with a placebo group. Effectiveness meanwhile refers to how well it performs in the real world. Moreover, phase 3 is part of the clinical trial.

Sunny Ortiz said:

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please define "vaccine" for us

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its a shot that identifies as a vaccine, dont be racist or something..

whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Debunked.

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/06/scicheck-research-rebuts-baseless-claims-linking-covid-19-vaccines-to-male-infertility/

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LOL Do you really think anyone here doesn't understand that you keep debunking straw men rather than the point actually made?

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You made two points in your earlier post: that the purpose of vaccination was always to prevent infection and that Berenson was banned from Twitter for a claim that was later taken up by mainstream media. Both of those claims are false. Covid vaccines were designed and tested for effectiveness against severe disease and death. The clinical trials didn't even directly measure effectiveness against transmission because that was never the purpose. Berenson was banned for claiming that vaccines were incapable of stopping transmission and were therefore therapeutics rather than vaccines. As I just explained, that definition of vaccines is not correct and was never mainstream. What the MSM did report is that transmission sometimes occurs. That is also true of other vaccines, and in no way does it support Berenson's point. Your last post, about sperm count, links an outlier study with little information beyond its conclusion. More important, changes in sperm count have already been explained by fever, which can occur for any number of reasons including Covid itself or other diseases or vaccines. Berenson also misreads the data to claim there was reduced sperm count after five months, when in fact the five-month evaluation showed complete recovery. On this point he is debunked by his own source.

There's a reason why Berenson is fatal to the credibility of anyone who cites him. His record of misinformation is well documented and practically endless.

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Both of your assertions are patently false.

Strawman #1: The vaccines were sold to the American public as a defense against infection, with a 95% efficacy on that point specifically. We were all there. We all heard it. You can't revise the history. The "protection against infection" claim was launched as a defense against mounting evidence that protection against infection was waning. Berenson was/is correct to point that out, and his assertions initially labeled as misinformation have routinely been verified. .None of that should be a surprise. Waning efficacy was disclosed in financial reporting documents to Wall Street. CDC had to have known. But they didn't disclose to the public.....

Strawman #2: Berenson was indeed banned for a tweet that 60 days later was an Axios headline. That is the routine. He makes a fact based observation based on his own sources which conflict with established narrative. He is then denounced as a crackpot. Weeks/months later, lo & behold, facts and events emerge which show he was mostly or completely correct.

The strawman in the last link quoted was your most disingenuous of all. Berenson did not claim permanent sterility - his critics implied that he did so to create the strawman you linked to debunk a claim he did not make. Further, in the cited article, he explicitly notes that the reduced counts were for a 5 month duration, not what you claimed he claimed.

I am quite disappointed that you think we are stupid enough not to see thru your sophomoric strawman constructions.

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Clinical trials showed the vaccine to be 95% effective against confirmed, symptomatic Covid. This is what the public was told, and this is what you would find if you read the study. How you felt it was being "sold" based on your perception of the media coverage is entirely your own issue.

According to Newsweek, Berenson tweeted that the vaccine wasn't a vaccine and wasn't capable of preventing transmission. Both of those claims are false.

Your third point is, finally and at long last, an actual example of a straw man in this conversation. No one ever said anything about permanent sterility. Berenson claimed there were reduced sperm counts at five months. As usual, his source disagrees. The study contains no evidence of any effect later than four months from vaccination.

I am disappointed, not because you can't see through my arguments, but because I'm constantly forced to explain your own sources to you. You've provided more than enough evidence to refute your own claims, were you able to evaluate it for yourself instead of relying on charlatans like Mr. Berenson.

whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Debunked.

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/06/scicheck-research-rebuts-baseless-claims-linking-covid-19-vaccines-to-male-infertility/

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LOL Do you really think anyone here doesn't understand that you keep debunking straw men rather than the point actually made?

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You made two points in your earlier post: that the purpose of vaccination was always to prevent infection and that Berenson was banned from Twitter for a claim that was later taken up by mainstream media. Both of those claims are false. Covid vaccines were designed and tested for effectiveness against severe disease and death. The clinical trials didn't even directly measure effectiveness against transmission because that was never the purpose. Berenson was banned for claiming that vaccines were incapable of stopping transmission and were therefore therapeutics rather than vaccines. As I just explained, that definition of vaccines is not correct and was never mainstream. What the MSM did report is that transmission sometimes occurs. That is also true of other vaccines, and in no way does it support Berenson's point. Your last post, about sperm count, links an outlier study with little information beyond its conclusion. More important, changes in sperm count have already been explained by fever, which can occur for any number of reasons including Covid itself or other diseases or vaccines. Berenson also misreads the data to claim there was reduced sperm count after five months, when in fact the five-month evaluation showed complete recovery. On this point he is debunked by his own source.

There's a reason why Berenson is fatal to the credibility of anyone who cites him. His record of misinformation is well documented and practically endless.

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Both of your assertions are patently false.

Strawman #1: The vaccines were sold to the American public as a defense against infection, with a 95% efficacy on that point specifically. We were all there. We all heard it. You can't revise the history. The "protection against infection" claim was launched as a defense against mounting evidence that protection against infection was waning. Berenson was/is correct to point that out, and his assertions initially labeled as misinformation have routinely been verified. .None of that should be a surprise. Waning efficacy was disclosed in financial reporting documents to Wall Street. CDC had to have known. But they didn't disclose to the public.....

Strawman #2: Berenson was indeed banned for a tweet that 60 days later was an Axios headline. That is the routine. He makes a fact based observation based on his own sources which conflict with established narrative. He is then denounced as a crackpot. Weeks/months later, lo & behold, facts and events emerge which show he was mostly or completely correct.

The strawman in the last link quoted was your most disingenuous of all. Berenson did not claim permanent sterility - his critics implied that he did so to create the strawman you linked to debunk a claim he did not make. Further, in the cited article, he explicitly notes that the reduced counts were for a 5 month duration, not what you claimed he claimed.

I am quite disappointed that you think we are stupid enough not to see thru your sophomoric strawman constructions.

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They're practically endless

Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Debunked.

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/06/scicheck-research-rebuts-baseless-claims-linking-covid-19-vaccines-to-male-infertility/

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LOL Do you really think anyone here doesn't understand that you keep debunking straw men rather than the point actually made?

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You made two points in your earlier post: that the purpose of vaccination was always to prevent infection and that Berenson was banned from Twitter for a claim that was later taken up by mainstream media. Both of those claims are false. Covid vaccines were designed and tested for effectiveness against severe disease and death. The clinical trials didn't even directly measure effectiveness against transmission because that was never the purpose. Berenson was banned for claiming that vaccines were incapable of stopping transmission and were therefore therapeutics rather than vaccines. As I just explained, that definition of vaccines is not correct and was never mainstream. What the MSM did report is that transmission sometimes occurs. That is also true of other vaccines, and in no way does it support Berenson's point. Your last post, about sperm count, links an outlier study with little information beyond its conclusion. More important, changes in sperm count have already been explained by fever, which can occur for any number of reasons including Covid itself or other diseases or vaccines. Berenson also misreads the data to claim there was reduced sperm count after five months, when in fact the five-month evaluation showed complete recovery. On this point he is debunked by his own source.

There's a reason why Berenson is fatal to the credibility of anyone who cites him. His record of misinformation is well documented and practically endless.

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Both of your assertions are patently false.

Strawman #1: The vaccines were sold to the American public as a defense against infection, with a 95% efficacy on that point specifically. We were all there. We all heard it. You can't revise the history. The "protection against infection" claim was launched as a defense against mounting evidence that protection against infection was waning. Berenson was/is correct to point that out, and his assertions initially labeled as misinformation have routinely been verified. .None of that should be a surprise. Waning efficacy was disclosed in financial reporting documents to Wall Street. CDC had to have known. But they didn't disclose to the public.....

Strawman #2: Berenson was indeed banned for a tweet that 60 days later was an Axios headline. That is the routine. He makes a fact based observation based on his own sources which conflict with established narrative. He is then denounced as a crackpot. Weeks/months later, lo & behold, facts and events emerge which show he was mostly or completely correct.

The strawman in the last link quoted was your most disingenuous of all. Berenson did not claim permanent sterility - his critics implied that he did so to create the strawman you linked to debunk a claim he did not make. Further, in the cited article, he explicitly notes that the reduced counts were for a 5 month duration, not what you claimed he claimed.

I am quite disappointed that you think we are stupid enough not to see thru your sophomoric strawman constructions.

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Clinical trials showed the vaccine to be 95% effective against confirmed, symptomatic Covid. This is what the public was told, and this is what you would find if you read the study. How you felt it was being "sold" based on your perception of the media coverage is entirely your own issue.

According to Newsweek, Berenson tweeted that the vaccine wasn't a vaccine and wasn't capable of preventing transmission. Both of those claims are false.

Your third point is, finally and at long last, an actual example of a straw man in this conversation. No one ever said anything about permanent sterility. Berenson claimed there were reduced sperm counts at five months. As usual, his source disagrees. The study contains no evidence of any effect later than four months from vaccination.

I am disappointed, not because you can't see through my arguments, but because I'm constantly forced to explain your own sources to you. You've provided more than enough evidence to refute your own claims, were you able to evaluate it for yourself instead of relying on charlatans like Mr. Berenson.

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By a show of hands, who got symptomatic covid after the immunotherapy vax. I'll raise my hand for me and my wife, and most of my office staff (50 +/-). Who do you think passed it around? Numbers and stats from studies are worthless now that we have actual life experience.

BUbearinARK said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Debunked.

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/06/scicheck-research-rebuts-baseless-claims-linking-covid-19-vaccines-to-male-infertility/

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LOL Do you really think anyone here doesn't understand that you keep debunking straw men rather than the point actually made?

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You made two points in your earlier post: that the purpose of vaccination was always to prevent infection and that Berenson was banned from Twitter for a claim that was later taken up by mainstream media. Both of those claims are false. Covid vaccines were designed and tested for effectiveness against severe disease and death. The clinical trials didn't even directly measure effectiveness against transmission because that was never the purpose. Berenson was banned for claiming that vaccines were incapable of stopping transmission and were therefore therapeutics rather than vaccines. As I just explained, that definition of vaccines is not correct and was never mainstream. What the MSM did report is that transmission sometimes occurs. That is also true of other vaccines, and in no way does it support Berenson's point. Your last post, about sperm count, links an outlier study with little information beyond its conclusion. More important, changes in sperm count have already been explained by fever, which can occur for any number of reasons including Covid itself or other diseases or vaccines. Berenson also misreads the data to claim there was reduced sperm count after five months, when in fact the five-month evaluation showed complete recovery. On this point he is debunked by his own source.

There's a reason why Berenson is fatal to the credibility of anyone who cites him. His record of misinformation is well documented and practically endless.

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Both of your assertions are patently false.

Strawman #1: The vaccines were sold to the American public as a defense against infection, with a 95% efficacy on that point specifically. We were all there. We all heard it. You can't revise the history. The "protection against infection" claim was launched as a defense against mounting evidence that protection against infection was waning. Berenson was/is correct to point that out, and his assertions initially labeled as misinformation have routinely been verified. .None of that should be a surprise. Waning efficacy was disclosed in financial reporting documents to Wall Street. CDC had to have known. But they didn't disclose to the public.....

Strawman #2: Berenson was indeed banned for a tweet that 60 days later was an Axios headline. That is the routine. He makes a fact based observation based on his own sources which conflict with established narrative. He is then denounced as a crackpot. Weeks/months later, lo & behold, facts and events emerge which show he was mostly or completely correct.

The strawman in the last link quoted was your most disingenuous of all. Berenson did not claim permanent sterility - his critics implied that he did so to create the strawman you linked to debunk a claim he did not make. Further, in the cited article, he explicitly notes that the reduced counts were for a 5 month duration, not what you claimed he claimed.

I am quite disappointed that you think we are stupid enough not to see thru your sophomoric strawman constructions.

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Clinical trials showed the vaccine to be 95% effective against confirmed, symptomatic Covid. This is what the public was told, and this is what you would find if you read the study. How you felt it was being "sold" based on your perception of the media coverage is entirely your own issue.

According to Newsweek, Berenson tweeted that the vaccine wasn't a vaccine and wasn't capable of preventing transmission. Both of those claims are false.

Your third point is, finally and at long last, an actual example of a straw man in this conversation. No one ever said anything about permanent sterility. Berenson claimed there were reduced sperm counts at five months. As usual, his source disagrees. The study contains no evidence of any effect later than four months from vaccination.

I am disappointed, not because you can't see through my arguments, but because I'm constantly forced to explain your own sources to you. You've provided more than enough evidence to refute your own claims, were you able to evaluate it for yourself instead of relying on charlatans like Mr. Berenson.

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By a show of hands, who got symptomatic covid after the immunotherapy vax. I'll raise my hand for me and my wife, and most of my office staff (50 +/-). Who do you think passed it around?

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In your case I'm guessing...a lot of anti-vaxxers?

I got a barely symptomatic illness, but not until Omicron.

Sam:

"The clinical trials didn't even directly measure effectiveness against transmission because that was never the purpose."

Also Sam, after he was debunked:

"Clinical trials showed the vaccine to be 95% effective against confirmed, symptomatic Covid."

Which is it, old boy? Did the clinical trials test effectiveness or not?

Poor guy. Must be difficult maintaining the narrative.

Sam Lowry said:

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BUbearinARK said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Debunked.

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/06/scicheck-research-rebuts-baseless-claims-linking-covid-19-vaccines-to-male-infertility/

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LOL Do you really think anyone 9here doesn't understand that you keep debunking straw men rather than the point actually made?

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You made two points in your earlier post: that the purpose of vaccination was always to prevent infection and that Berenson was banned from Twitter for a claim that was later taken up by mainstream media. Both of those claims are false. Covid vaccines were designed and tested for effectiveness against severe disease and death. The clinical trials didn't even directly measure effectiveness against transmission because that was never the purpose. Berenson was banned for claiming that vaccines were incapable of stopping transmission and were therefore therapeutics rather than vaccines. As I just explained, that definition of vaccines is not correct and was never mainstream. What the MSM did report is that transmission sometimes occurs. That is also true of other vaccines, and in no way does it support Berenson's point. Your last post, about sperm count, links an outlier study with little information beyond its conclusion. More important, changes in sperm count have already been explained by fever, which can occur for any number of reasons including Covid itself or other diseases or vaccines. Berenson also misreads the data to claim there was reduced sperm count after five months, when in fact the five-month evaluation showed complete recovery. On this point he is debunked by his own source.

There's a reason why Berenson is fatal to the credibility of anyone who cites him. His record of misinformation is well documented and practically endless.

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Both of your assertions are patently false.

Strawman #1: The vaccines were sold to the American public as a defense against infection, with a 95% efficacy on that point specifically. We were all there. We all heard it. You can't revise the history. The "protection against infection" claim was launched as a defense against mounting evidence that protection against infection was waning. Berenson was/is correct to point that out, and his assertions initially labeled as misinformation have routinely been verified. .None of that should be a surprise. Waning efficacy was disclosed in financial reporting documents to Wall Street. CDC had to have known. But they didn't disclose to the public.....

Strawman #2: Berenson was indeed banned for a tweet that 60 days later was an Axios headline. That is the routine. He makes a fact based observation based on his own sources which conflict with established narrative. He is then denounced as a crackpot. Weeks/months later, lo & behold, facts and events emerge which show he was mostly or completely correct.

The strawman in the last link quoted was your most disingenuous of all. Berenson did not claim permanent sterility - his critics implied that he did so to create the strawman you linked to debunk a claim he did not make. Further, in the cited article, he explicitly notes that the reduced counts were for a 5 month duration, not what you claimed he claimed.

I am quite disappointed that you think we are stupid enough not to see thru your sophomoric strawman constructions.

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Clinical trials showed the vaccine to be 95% effective against confirmed, symptomatic Covid. This is what the public was told, and this is what you would find if you read the study. How you felt it was being "sold" based on your perception of the media coverage is entirely your own issue.

According to Newsweek, Berenson tweeted that the vaccine wasn't a vaccine and wasn't capable of preventing transmission. Both of those claims are false.

Your third point is, finally and at long last, an actual example of a straw man in this conversation. No one ever said anything about permanent sterility. Berenson claimed there were reduced sperm counts at five months. As usual, his source disagrees. The study contains no evidence of any effect later than four months from vaccination.

I am disappointed, not because you can't see through my arguments, but because I'm constantly forced to explain your own sources to you. You've provided more than enough evidence to refute your own claims, were you able to evaluate it for yourself instead of relying on charlatans like Mr. Berenson.

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By a show of hands, who got symptomatic covid after the immunotherapy vax. I'll raise my hand for me and my wife, and most of my office staff (50 +/-). Who do you think passed it around?

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In your case I'm guessing...a lot of anti-vaxxers?

I got a barely symptomatic illness, but not until Omicron.

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Guessing is like assuming. And you would be incorrect. 98% vax rate in our medical office. I didn't need it as I had the OG symptomatic virus 3/20, but because of medicare and medicaid reimbursement are my biggest insurers, I had to unless I was ready to pack up and move to a large city where I could have a cash practice. and away from the small community that is home, and got the series. So yeah, one month after #2, boom covid again. Out of work for a week +. It was amazing.

BUbearinARK said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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BUbearinARK said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Debunked.

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/06/scicheck-research-rebuts-baseless-claims-linking-covid-19-vaccines-to-male-infertility/

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LOL Do you really think anyone 9here doesn't understand that you keep debunking straw men rather than the point actually made?

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You made two points in your earlier post: that the purpose of vaccination was always to prevent infection and that Berenson was banned from Twitter for a claim that was later taken up by mainstream media. Both of those claims are false. Covid vaccines were designed and tested for effectiveness against severe disease and death. The clinical trials didn't even directly measure effectiveness against transmission because that was never the purpose. Berenson was banned for claiming that vaccines were incapable of stopping transmission and were therefore therapeutics rather than vaccines. As I just explained, that definition of vaccines is not correct and was never mainstream. What the MSM did report is that transmission sometimes occurs. That is also true of other vaccines, and in no way does it support Berenson's point. Your last post, about sperm count, links an outlier study with little information beyond its conclusion. More important, changes in sperm count have already been explained by fever, which can occur for any number of reasons including Covid itself or other diseases or vaccines. Berenson also misreads the data to claim there was reduced sperm count after five months, when in fact the five-month evaluation showed complete recovery. On this point he is debunked by his own source.

There's a reason why Berenson is fatal to the credibility of anyone who cites him. His record of misinformation is well documented and practically endless.

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Both of your assertions are patently false.

Strawman #1: The vaccines were sold to the American public as a defense against infection, with a 95% efficacy on that point specifically. We were all there. We all heard it. You can't revise the history. The "protection against infection" claim was launched as a defense against mounting evidence that protection against infection was waning. Berenson was/is correct to point that out, and his assertions initially labeled as misinformation have routinely been verified. .None of that should be a surprise. Waning efficacy was disclosed in financial reporting documents to Wall Street. CDC had to have known. But they didn't disclose to the public.....

Strawman #2: Berenson was indeed banned for a tweet that 60 days later was an Axios headline. That is the routine. He makes a fact based observation based on his own sources which conflict with established narrative. He is then denounced as a crackpot. Weeks/months later, lo & behold, facts and events emerge which show he was mostly or completely correct.

The strawman in the last link quoted was your most disingenuous of all. Berenson did not claim permanent sterility - his critics implied that he did so to create the strawman you linked to debunk a claim he did not make. Further, in the cited article, he explicitly notes that the reduced counts were for a 5 month duration, not what you claimed he claimed.

I am quite disappointed that you think we are stupid enough not to see thru your sophomoric strawman constructions.

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Clinical trials showed the vaccine to be 95% effective against confirmed, symptomatic Covid. This is what the public was told, and this is what you would find if you read the study. How you felt it was being "sold" based on your perception of the media coverage is entirely your own issue.

According to Newsweek, Berenson tweeted that the vaccine wasn't a vaccine and wasn't capable of preventing transmission. Both of those claims are false.

Your third point is, finally and at long last, an actual example of a straw man in this conversation. No one ever said anything about permanent sterility. Berenson claimed there were reduced sperm counts at five months. As usual, his source disagrees. The study contains no evidence of any effect later than four months from vaccination.

I am disappointed, not because you can't see through my arguments, but because I'm constantly forced to explain your own sources to you. You've provided more than enough evidence to refute your own claims, were you able to evaluate it for yourself instead of relying on charlatans like Mr. Berenson.

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By a show of hands, who got symptomatic covid after the immunotherapy vax. I'll raise my hand for me and my wife, and most of my office staff (50 +/-). Who do you think passed it around?

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In your case I'm guessing...a lot of anti-vaxxers?

I got a barely symptomatic illness, but not until Omicron.

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Guessing is like assuming. And you would be incorrect. 98% vax rate in our medical office. I didn't need it as I had the OG symptomatic virus 3/20, but because of medicare and medicaid reimbursement are my biggest insurers, I had to unless I was ready to pack up and move to a large city where I could have a cash practice. and away from the small community that is home, and got the series. So yeah, one month after #2, boom covid again. Out of work for a week +. It was amazing.

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Well dang, I didn't know you had a cool anecdote. Screw all that research!

Sam Lowry said:

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BUbearinARK said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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BUbearinARK said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Debunked.

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/06/scicheck-research-rebuts-baseless-claims-linking-covid-19-vaccines-to-male-infertility/

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LOL Do you really think anyone 9here doesn't understand that you keep debunking straw men rather than the point actually made?

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You made two points in your earlier post: that the purpose of vaccination was always to prevent infection and that Berenson was banned from Twitter for a claim that was later taken up by mainstream media. Both of those claims are false. Covid vaccines were designed and tested for effectiveness against severe disease and death. The clinical trials didn't even directly measure effectiveness against transmission because that was never the purpose. Berenson was banned for claiming that vaccines were incapable of stopping transmission and were therefore therapeutics rather than vaccines. As I just explained, that definition of vaccines is not correct and was never mainstream. What the MSM did report is that transmission sometimes occurs. That is also true of other vaccines, and in no way does it support Berenson's point. Your last post, about sperm count, links an outlier study with little information beyond its conclusion. More important, changes in sperm count have already been explained by fever, which can occur for any number of reasons including Covid itself or other diseases or vaccines. Berenson also misreads the data to claim there was reduced sperm count after five months, when in fact the five-month evaluation showed complete recovery. On this point he is debunked by his own source.

There's a reason why Berenson is fatal to the credibility of anyone who cites him. His record of misinformation is well documented and practically endless.

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Both of your assertions are patently false.

Strawman #1: The vaccines were sold to the American public as a defense against infection, with a 95% efficacy on that point specifically. We were all there. We all heard it. You can't revise the history. The "protection against infection" claim was launched as a defense against mounting evidence that protection against infection was waning. Berenson was/is correct to point that out, and his assertions initially labeled as misinformation have routinely been verified. .None of that should be a surprise. Waning efficacy was disclosed in financial reporting documents to Wall Street. CDC had to have known. But they didn't disclose to the public.....

Strawman #2: Berenson was indeed banned for a tweet that 60 days later was an Axios headline. That is the routine. He makes a fact based observation based on his own sources which conflict with established narrative. He is then denounced as a crackpot. Weeks/months later, lo & behold, facts and events emerge which show he was mostly or completely correct.

The strawman in the last link quoted was your most disingenuous of all. Berenson did not claim permanent sterility - his critics implied that he did so to create the strawman you linked to debunk a claim he did not make. Further, in the cited article, he explicitly notes that the reduced counts were for a 5 month duration, not what you claimed he claimed.

I am quite disappointed that you think we are stupid enough not to see thru your sophomoric strawman constructions.

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Clinical trials showed the vaccine to be 95% effective against confirmed, symptomatic Covid. This is what the public was told, and this is what you would find if you read the study. How you felt it was being "sold" based on your perception of the media coverage is entirely your own issue.

According to Newsweek, Berenson tweeted that the vaccine wasn't a vaccine and wasn't capable of preventing transmission. Both of those claims are false.

Your third point is, finally and at long last, an actual example of a straw man in this conversation. No one ever said anything about permanent sterility. Berenson claimed there were reduced sperm counts at five months. As usual, his source disagrees. The study contains no evidence of any effect later than four months from vaccination.

I am disappointed, not because you can't see through my arguments, but because I'm constantly forced to explain your own sources to you. You've provided more than enough evidence to refute your own claims, were you able to evaluate it for yourself instead of relying on charlatans like Mr. Berenson.

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By a show of hands, who got symptomatic covid after the immunotherapy vax. I'll raise my hand for me and my wife, and most of my office staff (50 +/-). Who do you think passed it around?

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In your case I'm guessing...a lot of anti-vaxxers?

I got a barely symptomatic illness, but not until Omicron.

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Guessing is like assuming. And you would be incorrect. 98% vax rate in our medical office. I didn't need it as I had the OG symptomatic virus 3/20, but because of medicare and medicaid reimbursement are my biggest insurers, I had to unless I was ready to pack up and move to a large city where I could have a cash practice. and away from the small community that is home, and got the series. So yeah, one month after #2, boom covid again. Out of work for a week +. It was amazing.

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Well dang, I didn't know you had a cool anecdote. Screw all that research!

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funny thing about research, very similar to polling..

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Debunked.

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/06/scicheck-research-rebuts-baseless-claims-linking-covid-19-vaccines-to-male-infertility/

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LOL Do you really think anyone 9here doesn't understand that you keep debunking straw men rather than the point actually made?

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You made two points in your earlier post: that the purpose of vaccination was always to prevent infection and that Berenson was banned from Twitter for a claim that was later taken up by mainstream media. Both of those claims are false. Covid vaccines were designed and tested for effectiveness against severe disease and death. The clinical trials didn't even directly measure effectiveness against transmission because that was never the purpose. Berenson was banned for claiming that vaccines were incapable of stopping transmission and were therefore therapeutics rather than vaccines. As I just explained, that definition of vaccines is not correct and was never mainstream. What the MSM did report is that transmission sometimes occurs. That is also true of other vaccines, and in no way does it support Berenson's point. Your last post, about sperm count, links an outlier study with little information beyond its conclusion. More important, changes in sperm count have already been explained by fever, which can occur for any number of reasons including Covid itself or other diseases or vaccines. Berenson also misreads the data to claim there was reduced sperm count after five months, when in fact the five-month evaluation showed complete recovery. On this point he is debunked by his own source.

There's a reason why Berenson is fatal to the credibility of anyone who cites him. His record of misinformation is well documented and practically endless.

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Both of your assertions are patently false.

Strawman #1: The vaccines were sold to the American public as a defense against infection, with a 95% efficacy on that point specifically. We were all there. We all heard it. You can't revise the history. The "protection against infection" claim was launched as a defense against mounting evidence that protection against infection was waning. Berenson was/is correct to point that out, and his assertions initially labeled as misinformation have routinely been verified. .None of that should be a surprise. Waning efficacy was disclosed in financial reporting documents to Wall Street. CDC had to have known. But they didn't disclose to the public.....

Strawman #2: Berenson was indeed banned for a tweet that 60 days later was an Axios headline. That is the routine. He makes a fact based observation based on his own sources which conflict with established narrative. He is then denounced as a crackpot. Weeks/months later, lo & behold, facts and events emerge which show he was mostly or completely correct.

The strawman in the last link quoted was your most disingenuous of all. Berenson did not claim permanent sterility - his critics implied that he did so to create the strawman you linked to debunk a claim he did not make. Further, in the cited article, he explicitly notes that the reduced counts were for a 5 month duration, not what you claimed he claimed.

I am quite disappointed that you think we are stupid enough not to see thru your sophomoric strawman constructions.

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Clinical trials showed the vaccine to be 95% effective against confirmed, symptomatic Covid. This is what the public was told, and this is what you would find if you read the study. How you felt it was being "sold" based on your perception of the media coverage is entirely your own issue.

According to Newsweek, Berenson tweeted that the vaccine wasn't a vaccine and wasn't capable of preventing transmission. Both of those claims are false.

Your third point is, finally and at long last, an actual example of a straw man in this conversation. No one ever said anything about permanent sterility. Berenson claimed there were reduced sperm counts at five months. As usual, his source disagrees. The study contains no evidence of any effect later than four months from vaccination.

I am disappointed, not because you can't see through my arguments, but because I'm constantly forced to explain your own sources to you. You've provided more than enough evidence to refute your own claims, were you able to evaluate it for yourself instead of relying on charlatans like Mr. Berenson.

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By a show of hands, who got symptomatic covid after the immunotherapy vax. I'll raise my hand for me and my wife, and most of my office staff (50 +/-). Who do you think passed it around?

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In your case I'm guessing...a lot of anti-vaxxers?

I got a barely symptomatic illness, but not until Omicron.

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Guessing is like assuming. And you would be incorrect. 98% vax rate in our medical office. I didn't need it as I had the OG symptomatic virus 3/20, but because of medicare and medicaid reimbursement are my biggest insurers, I had to unless I was ready to pack up and move to a large city where I could have a cash practice. and away from the small community that is home, and got the series. So yeah, one month after #2, boom covid again. Out of work for a week +. It was amazing.

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Well dang, I didn't know you had a cool anecdote. Screw all that research!

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Oh boy howdy, do I gots anecdotes. Hunderts of em' . But way too unsophisticated data points for a medical researcher such as yourself!


When personal experience doesn't align with what is published conclusions enough times, it leads to doubt. Sometimes even a new hypothesis. As that is truly what science is. May or may not pan out to be different from currently held conclusions for disease, treatments, medications, side effects or ineffects.

My previous involvement in clinical trials research does not lead more credibility to the anecdotes I've seen with my own eyes for sure. Just means I kinda understand the process of medical research (good and bad). The fact that my wife has treated thousands of covid pts of all vaccinated status/long covid/ vax reactions and as been in a network of worldwide physician since the start of the pandemic with all their anecdotes to maybe help with some tips they've seen that either decreases or increases morbidity/mortality in real time, this is also all anecdotal at a time when that's what you get in a rapidly changing virus when any published research h is already two or more variants behind. But hey, yay Lancet. Good stuff.

Tl;dr yes just another anecdote. Got me

Thats great, now I can go Polar Bear hunting

Big.
If this research is true*, then the idea of HERD IMMUNITY is debunked. And @BallouxFrancois who promoted Herd Imm against all evidence & heckled Yaneer has some retractions to do.

*Looks rigorous (previous paper publ. in Nature) but let's wait for the peer review. https://t.co/ewhZk7WcrA

— Nassim Nicholas Taleb (@nntaleb) June 21, 2022

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Debunked.

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/06/scicheck-research-rebuts-baseless-claims-linking-covid-19-vaccines-to-male-infertility/

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LOL Do you really think anyone here doesn't understand that you keep debunking straw men rather than the point actually made?

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You made two points in your earlier post: that the purpose of vaccination was always to prevent infection and that Berenson was banned from Twitter for a claim that was later taken up by mainstream media. Both of those claims are false. Covid vaccines were designed and tested for effectiveness against severe disease and death. The clinical trials didn't even directly measure effectiveness against transmission because that was never the purpose. Berenson was banned for claiming that vaccines were incapable of stopping transmission and were therefore therapeutics rather than vaccines. As I just explained, that definition of vaccines is not correct and was never mainstream. What the MSM did report is that transmission sometimes occurs. That is also true of other vaccines, and in no way does it support Berenson's point. Your last post, about sperm count, links an outlier study with little information beyond its conclusion. More important, changes in sperm count have already been explained by fever, which can occur for any number of reasons including Covid itself or other diseases or vaccines. Berenson also misreads the data to claim there was reduced sperm count after five months, when in fact the five-month evaluation showed complete recovery. On this point he is debunked by his own source.

There's a reason why Berenson is fatal to the credibility of anyone who cites him. His record of misinformation is well documented and practically endless.

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When he she starts getting verbose, he's lost.

This has been hilarious to watch the effort put forth

We just sit back and chuckle going on 2+ years now

I feel for all those that got duped

And today yiu have 8x as many infected Americans versus a year ago and about the same dead. Happens literally every single day with more dead than a year ago quite common.

A few more boosters and we'll flatten that curve r e t d s

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Big.
If this research is true*, then the idea of HERD IMMUNITY is debunked. And @BallouxFrancois who promoted Herd Imm against all evidence & heckled Yaneer has some retractions to do.

*Looks rigorous (previous paper publ. in Nature) but let's wait for the peer review. https://t.co/ewhZk7WcrA

— Nassim Nicholas Taleb (@nntaleb) June 21, 2022

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Now Sam will hide under his bed for the rest of eternity.

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And today yiu have 8x as many infected Americans versus a year ago and about the same dead. Happens literally every single day with more dead than a year ago quite common.

A few more boosters and we'll flatten that curve r e t d s

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8x, you say.

how can that be?

all those vaccinated people and infections are up 8x?

what on earth could be an explanation for that?

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And today yiu have 8x as many infected Americans versus a year ago and about the same dead. Happens literally every single day with more dead than a year ago quite common.

A few more boosters and we'll flatten that curve r e t d s

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8x, you say.

how can that be?

all those vaccinated people and infections are up 8x?

what on earth could be an explanation for that?

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Sam Lowery, please pick up the white courtesy phone, you have a call waiting..

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And today yiu have 8x as many infected Americans versus a year ago and about the same dead. Happens literally every single day with more dead than a year ago quite common.

A few more boosters and we'll flatten that curve r e t d s

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8x, you say.

how can that be?

all those vaccinated people and infections are up 8x?

what on earth could be an explanation for that?

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Sam Lowery, please pick up the white courtesy phone, you have a call waiting..

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We're talking about the lowest number of deaths since March 2020, so I'm not sure what the point is.

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And today yiu have 8x as many infected Americans versus a year ago and about the same dead. Happens literally every single day with more dead than a year ago quite common.

A few more boosters and we'll flatten that curve r e t d s

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8x, you say.

how can that be?

all those vaccinated people and infections are up 8x?

what on earth could be an explanation for that?

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Sam Lowery, please pick up the white courtesy phone, you have a call waiting..

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We're talking about the lowest number of deaths since March 2020, so I'm not sure what the point is.

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infections.

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And today yiu have 8x as many infected Americans versus a year ago and about the same dead. Happens literally every single day with more dead than a year ago quite common.

A few more boosters and we'll flatten that curve r e t d s

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8x, you say.

how can that be?

all those vaccinated people and infections are up 8x?

what on earth could be an explanation for that?

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Sam Lowery, please pick up the white courtesy phone, you have a call waiting..

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We're talking about the lowest number of deaths since March 2020, so I'm not sure what the point is.

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infections.

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Infections happen. There were a couple of thousand flu cases last week too.

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And today yiu have 8x as many infected Americans versus a year ago and about the same dead. Happens literally every single day with more dead than a year ago quite common.

A few more boosters and we'll flatten that curve r e t d s

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8x, you say.

how can that be?

all those vaccinated people and infections are up 8x?

what on earth could be an explanation for that?

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Sam Lowery, please pick up the white courtesy phone, you have a call waiting..

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We're talking about the lowest number of deaths since March 2020, so I'm not sure what the point is.

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infections.

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Infections happen. There were a couple of thousand flu cases last week too.

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the conversation was about infections.

You keep distracting it to deaths.

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And today yiu have 8x as many infected Americans versus a year ago and about the same dead. Happens literally every single day with more dead than a year ago quite common.

A few more boosters and we'll flatten that curve r e t d s

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8x, you say.

how can that be?

all those vaccinated people and infections are up 8x?

what on earth could be an explanation for that?

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Sam Lowery, please pick up the white courtesy phone, you have a call waiting..

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We're talking about the lowest number of deaths since March 2020, so I'm not sure what the point is.

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infections.

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Infections happen. There were a couple of thousand flu cases last week too.

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the conversation was about infections.

You keep distracting it to deaths.

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Fre3dombear: "And today you have 8x as many infected Americans versus a year ago and about the same dead."

Infections happen. There were a couple of thousand flu cases last week too.

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And today yiu have 8x as many infected Americans versus a year ago and about the same dead. Happens literally every single day with more dead than a year ago quite common.

A few more boosters and we'll flatten that curve r e t d s

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8x, you say.

how can that be?

all those vaccinated people and infections are up 8x?

what on earth could be an explanation for that?

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Sam Lowery, please pick up the white courtesy phone, you have a call waiting..

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We're talking about the lowest number of deaths since March 2020, so I'm not sure what the point is.

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infections.

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Infections happen. There were a couple of thousand flu cases last week too.

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the conversation was about infections.

You keep distracting it to deaths.

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Fre3dombear: "And today you have 8x as many infected Americans versus a year ago and about the same dead."

Infections happen. There were a couple of thousand flu cases last week too.

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"...a study of700k people in Israel showed the double-vaxxed were 27x more likely to get reinfected"
"...if you look at England and No. Europe....the triple vaxxed are more likely to die (from reinfection)."

“Triple vaxxed are the most likely to die from COVID-19” pic.twitter.com/J4X1rF3LZz

— The Dog (@We_Truck_Fudeau) June 23, 2022

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And today yiu have 8x as many infected Americans versus a year ago and about the same dead. Happens literally every single day with more dead than a year ago quite common.

A few more boosters and we'll flatten that curve r e t d s

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8x, you say.

how can that be?

all those vaccinated people and infections are up 8x?

what on earth could be an explanation for that?

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Sam Lowery, please pick up the white courtesy phone, you have a call waiting..

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We're talking about the lowest number of deaths since March 2020, so I'm not sure what the point is.

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infections.

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Infections happen. There were a couple of thousand flu cases last week too.

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the conversation was about infections.

You keep distracting it to deaths.

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Fre3dombear: "And today you have 8x as many infected Americans versus a year ago and about the same dead."

Infections happen. There were a couple of thousand flu cases last week too.

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"...a study of700k people in Israel showed the double-vaxxed were 27x more likely to get reinfected"
"...if you look at England and No. Europe....the triple vaxxed are more likely to die (from reinfection)."

“Triple vaxxed are the most likely to die from COVID-19” pic.twitter.com/J4X1rF3LZz

— The Dog (@We_Truck_Fudeau) June 23, 2022

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Yeah, except it didn't show that at all. This is the one I was expecting you to re-post before, so I linked to the thread explaining how you'd misread the data. See above.

Sigh.

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And today yiu have 8x as many infected Americans versus a year ago and about the same dead. Happens literally every single day with more dead than a year ago quite common.

A few more boosters and we'll flatten that curve r e t d s

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8x, you say.

how can that be?

all those vaccinated people and infections are up 8x?

what on earth could be an explanation for that?

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Sam Lowery, please pick up the white courtesy phone, you have a call waiting..

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We're talking about the lowest number of deaths since March 2020, so I'm not sure what the point is.

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infections.

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Infections happen. There were a couple of thousand flu cases last week too.

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the conversation was about infections.

You keep distracting it to deaths.

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Fre3dombear: "And today you have 8x as many infected Americans versus a year ago and about the same dead."

Infections happen. There were a couple of thousand flu cases last week too.

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"...a study of700k people in Israel showed the double-vaxxed were 27x more likely to get reinfected"
"...if you look at England and No. Europe....the triple vaxxed are more likely to die (from reinfection)."

“Triple vaxxed are the most likely to die from COVID-19” pic.twitter.com/J4X1rF3LZz

— The Dog (@We_Truck_Fudeau) June 23, 2022

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Yeah, except it didn't show that at all. This is the one I was expecting you to re-post before, so I linked to the thread explaining how you'd misread the data. See above.

Sigh.

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So you disagree with the science presented by the doctors, in state congressional testimony?

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And today yiu have 8x as many infected Americans versus a year ago and about the same dead. Happens literally every single day with more dead than a year ago quite common.

A few more boosters and we'll flatten that curve r e t d s

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8x, you say.

how can that be?

all those vaccinated people and infections are up 8x?

what on earth could be an explanation for that?

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Sam Lowery, please pick up the white courtesy phone, you have a call waiting..

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We're talking about the lowest number of deaths since March 2020, so I'm not sure what the point is.

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infections.

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Infections happen. There were a couple of thousand flu cases last week too.

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the conversation was about infections.

You keep distracting it to deaths.

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Fre3dombear: "And today you have 8x as many infected Americans versus a year ago and about the same dead."

Infections happen. There were a couple of thousand flu cases last week too.

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Actually more dead from this worst plague in human history than last year yet again. Happens on the regular. Thank God the vaxers solved it though.

Woohoo!

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And today yiu have 8x as many infected Americans versus a year ago and about the same dead. Happens literally every single day with more dead than a year ago quite common.

A few more boosters and we'll flatten that curve r e t d s

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8x, you say.

how can that be?

all those vaccinated people and infections are up 8x?

what on earth could be an explanation for that?

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Sam Lowery, please pick up the white courtesy phone, you have a call waiting..

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We're talking about the lowest number of deaths since March 2020, so I'm not sure what the point is.

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infections.

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Infections happen. There were a couple of thousand flu cases last week too.

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the conversation was about infections.

You keep distracting it to deaths.

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Fre3dombear: "And today you have 8x as many infected Americans versus a year ago and about the same dead."

Infections happen. There were a couple of thousand flu cases last week too.

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"...a study of700k people in Israel showed the double-vaxxed were 27x more likely to get reinfected"
"...if you look at England and No. Europe....the triple vaxxed are more likely to die (from reinfection)."

“Triple vaxxed are the most likely to die from COVID-19” pic.twitter.com/J4X1rF3LZz

— The Dog (@We_Truck_Fudeau) June 23, 2022

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Yeah, except it didn't show that at all. This is the one I was expecting you to re-post before, so I linked to the thread explaining how you'd misread the data. See above.

Sigh.

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So you disagree with the science presented by the doctors, in state congressional testimony?

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Whoa! Slow your roll. It's not science unless 1) you agree with it and 2) it promotes the Socialist / Mulecrat
Agenda

I'm just basking in Roe v wade being overturned finally. God is proud of us today. Now we push further.

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the conversation was about infections.

You keep distracting it to deaths.

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Fre3dombear: "And today you have 8x as many infected Americans versus a year ago and about the same dead."

Infections happen. There were a couple of thousand flu cases last week too.

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"...a study of700k people in Israel showed the double-vaxxed were 27x more likely to get reinfected"
"...if you look at England and No. Europe....the triple vaxxed are more likely to die (from reinfection)."

“Triple vaxxed are the most likely to die from COVID-19” pic.twitter.com/J4X1rF3LZz

— The Dog (@We_Truck_Fudeau) June 23, 2022

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Yeah, except it didn't show that at all. This is the one I was expecting you to re-post before, so I linked to the thread explaining how you'd misread the data. See above.

Sigh.

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So you disagree with the science presented by the doctors, in state congressional testimony?

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Whoa! Slow your roll. It's not science unless 1) you agree with it and 2) it promotes the Socialist / Mulecrat
Agenda

I'm just basking in Roe v wade being overturned finally. God is proud of us today. Now we push further.

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Restoring the Republic, one case at a time.