4th and Inches said:

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Rawhide said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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4th and Inches said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Wangchung said:

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The difference is people now know what it is like under Trump versus under democrats. The race card and Russia card won't cut it anymore when crying about mean tweets. Not even whines of "jAnUaRy SIXXXXTTHHH!!!!!!" can cover up the reality all around us. Apparently the American people are not as stupid as the DNC believes them to be.

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There are plenty of other candidates who would give you the policies you're looking for without the malignant narcissism, authoritarian aims and nation-splitting rhetoric. The fact that you guys are still pushing this loser only proves it's a cult of personality.

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No, it means we are aware of the polling. It seems to scare you and your team into emotional rants to consider that voters are growing to appreciate what Trump did as President, to the point that he is the leading choice to take the Oval Office in 2025.

Whether or not that happens depends on a great many things, but smearing the reasonable observation that Trump leads in the polls only shows your fear and desperation.

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I don't have a team. I'm Team America, so I want two new candidates in 2024.

But Trump doesn't scare me in the least. The guy lost to a geriatric Joe Biden as an incumbent, which makes him one of the worst presidential candidates in history.

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You sound like the type that believes dementia Joe actually got 81 million legit votes and really did beat this "worst presidential candidate in history" as you describe him, who even despite the rampant cheating (check out the movie "2000 Mules" in addition to actually using some common sense) still had more votes counted for him than any other GOP candidate in history.

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So I sound like a sane person? Thanks. The place to prove fraud is in the courts. On the rare occasions the Trump team would even take their cases there, they went nowhere. I'll take that evidence over anything the thoroughly biased and morally compromised Dinesh D'Souza says.

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yes! Lets present evidence in court! Can we have access to the machines? No. Can we look at the signature matches? No. Can we see the ballots and count the mail in ballots vs the envelopes? No. Video of drop boxes as required by la? No. Can we see chain of custody paperwork? Dont have it. We understand you destroyed ballot materials and wiped machine data which is required to be kept under state law.. "nobody stopped us"

Welp, no evidence of fraud.. case dismissed!

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bear2be2 is a great example of the if I just keep covering my eyes and ears and repeating "there's no evidence" that'll make it so crowd. Actually believing somebody like dementia Joe Biden really did receive the most votes of any presidential candidate in history including blowing away the likes of golden boy Obama is so laughably crazy it defies description.

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The burden of proof is on you guys. Y'all have yet to convince anyone who matters, including many high-ranking members of the Trump administration.

And those weren't 81 million votes for Biden. Most of them were votes against Trump. Given how intentionally divisive he was, I sincerely do not get how you guys don't/can't understand that. While you guys may have loved Trump, he was the most reviled presidential candidate in American history. That motivates the opposition as much or more as it motivates support.

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Don't forget the part where Trump was also one of the most liked presidents in history as evident from the miles long car parades, boat parades, the fact he got more votes than any Republican in history and more votes than any incumbent in history. Not to mention he brought over more blacks and hispanices than the last "Republican"

Funny how I don't see anyone wearing B(uild)B(ack)B(etter) gear - anywhere

It must really kick you in the nuts to see a black person wearing a MAGA hat.

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There are more than 209 million adults in the United States. Trump's 75 million votes represent roughly 36 percent of that total. He was well-liked by his base. But that wasn't enough to overcome the millions of people he alienated and inspired to vote by being an intolerable *******.

And I don't care who wears what. As I've said many, many times, I'm a live and let live guy.

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media narrative, he didn t alienate them.. the media made him an intolerable ahole. 92% negative coverage will do that..

Just so you know, Biden is now the most unpopular president in modern history. Thats with a very favorable media backing. Biden today is just as unelectable as Trump was but for very different reasons.

Trump would win re-election if they held the election today. The worse it gets for people financially, the more they remember how good they had it during Trump and want it back. If it continues down this path, Trump will win in 2024.

God help us all. Biden is making a second Trump admin possible. If the GOP can take over and do something for his last two years then things may shift away from Trump but right now he is driving the bus.

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Both can be true at the same time. Did the media magnify Trump's flaws and often times mischaracterize his statements? Yes. But let's be honest - Trump gave them plenty of material.

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Rawhide said:

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4th and Inches said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Wangchung said:

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The difference is people now know what it is like under Trump versus under democrats. The race card and Russia card won't cut it anymore when crying about mean tweets. Not even whines of "jAnUaRy SIXXXXTTHHH!!!!!!" can cover up the reality all around us. Apparently the American people are not as stupid as the DNC believes them to be.

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There are plenty of other candidates who would give you the policies you're looking for without the malignant narcissism, authoritarian aims and nation-splitting rhetoric. The fact that you guys are still pushing this loser only proves it's a cult of personality.

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No, it means we are aware of the polling. It seems to scare you and your team into emotional rants to consider that voters are growing to appreciate what Trump did as President, to the point that he is the leading choice to take the Oval Office in 2025.

Whether or not that happens depends on a great many things, but smearing the reasonable observation that Trump leads in the polls only shows your fear and desperation.

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I don't have a team. I'm Team America, so I want two new candidates in 2024.

But Trump doesn't scare me in the least. The guy lost to a geriatric Joe Biden as an incumbent, which makes him one of the worst presidential candidates in history.

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You sound like the type that believes dementia Joe actually got 81 million legit votes and really did beat this "worst presidential candidate in history" as you describe him, who even despite the rampant cheating (check out the movie "2000 Mules" in addition to actually using some common sense) still had more votes counted for him than any other GOP candidate in history.

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So I sound like a sane person? Thanks. The place to prove fraud is in the courts. On the rare occasions the Trump team would even take their cases there, they went nowhere. I'll take that evidence over anything the thoroughly biased and morally compromised Dinesh D'Souza says.

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yes! Lets present evidence in court! Can we have access to the machines? No. Can we look at the signature matches? No. Can we see the ballots and count the mail in ballots vs the envelopes? No. Video of drop boxes as required by la? No. Can we see chain of custody paperwork? Dont have it. We understand you destroyed ballot materials and wiped machine data which is required to be kept under state law.. "nobody stopped us"

Welp, no evidence of fraud.. case dismissed!

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bear2be2 is a great example of the if I just keep covering my eyes and ears and repeating "there's no evidence" that'll make it so crowd. Actually believing somebody like dementia Joe Biden really did receive the most votes of any presidential candidate in history including blowing away the likes of golden boy Obama is so laughably crazy it defies description.

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The burden of proof is on you guys. Y'all have yet to convince anyone who matters, including many high-ranking members of the Trump administration.

And those weren't 81 million votes for Biden. Most of them were votes against Trump. Given how intentionally divisive he was, I sincerely do not get how you guys don't/can't understand that. While you guys may have loved Trump, he was the most reviled presidential candidate in American history. That motivates the opposition as much or more as it motivates support.

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Don't forget the part where Trump was also one of the most liked presidents in history as evident from the miles long car parades, boat parades, the fact he got more votes than any Republican in history and more votes than any incumbent in history. Not to mention he brought over more blacks and hispanices than the last "Republican"

Funny how I don't see anyone wearing B(uild)B(ack)B(etter) gear - anywhere

It must really kick you in the nuts to see a black person wearing a MAGA hat.

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There are more than 209 million adults in the United States. Trump's 75 million votes represent roughly 36 percent of that total. He was well-liked by his base. But that wasn't enough to overcome the millions of people he alienated and inspired to vote by being an intolerable *******.

And I don't care who wears what. As I've said many, many times, I'm a live and let live guy.

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Cool story. But once again, the intolerable ******* increased his support - pretty bigly. He gained in every single state. I would hardly consider that he was just well liked "by his base", unless you think his base is really that large, which it might be.

You're really not a "live and let live" kind of guy either.
1) If you were, you wouldn't be on here arguing with other people over their opinions
2) You wouldn't be on here calling Trump an intolerable *******
3) You would't try to chastise me or anyone else for exercising their freedom of speech

You see, when I said something to someone that bothered you, you chose to speak up about it. If you were live and let live kind of guy, you would've just thought to yourself, "Huh, what an *******", but then you would've just moved along, you know, without trying to argue with me over my freedom of speech.

You have this perception about yourself that lies in direct contradiction with how you behave and show others how you are.

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Wangchung said:

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The difference is people now know what it is like under Trump versus under democrats. The race card and Russia card won't cut it anymore when crying about mean tweets. Not even whines of "jAnUaRy SIXXXXTTHHH!!!!!!" can cover up the reality all around us. Apparently the American people are not as stupid as the DNC believes them to be.

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Just 3 Democrats ago we had probably the best President in modern history. Clinton was worldd better for the economy than anyone after him.

Let's not pretend Biden is anything other than a desperate attempt to oust Trump. Although anyone at all could have beaten Trump. I'm not sure which Democrat I would have wanted instead of Biden though. Several would have gutted the economy and Constitution far worse.

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Clinton raped social security like it was a staffer left alone with him after work hours. He also relied on the dotcom bubble to falsely inflate the economy while in office. Anyone would have looked great during that era. He was a rapist and a con man.

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Porteroso said:

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Wangchung said:

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The difference is people now know what it is like under Trump versus under democrats. The race card and Russia card won't cut it anymore when crying about mean tweets. Not even whines of "jAnUaRy SIXXXXTTHHH!!!!!!" can cover up the reality all around us. Apparently the American people are not as stupid as the DNC believes them to be.

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Just 3 Democrats ago we had probably the best President in modern history. Clinton was worldd better for the economy than anyone after him.

Let's not pretend Biden is anything other than a desperate attempt to oust Trump. Although anyone at all could have beaten Trump. I'm not sure which Democrat I would have wanted instead of Biden though. Several would have gutted the economy and Constitution far worse.

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Clinton raped social security like it was a staffer left alone with him after work hours. He also relied on the dotcom bubble to falsely inflate the economy while in office. Anyone would have looked great during that era. He was a rapist and a con man.

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I've often said that Bill Gates had more to do with the raging economy in the late 90s than Bill Clinton

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Porteroso said:

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Wangchung said:

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The difference is people now know what it is like under Trump versus under democrats. The race card and Russia card won't cut it anymore when crying about mean tweets. Not even whines of "jAnUaRy SIXXXXTTHHH!!!!!!" can cover up the reality all around us. Apparently the American people are not as stupid as the DNC believes them to be.

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Just 3 Democrats ago we had probably the best President in modern history. Clinton was worldd better for the economy than anyone after him.

Let's not pretend Biden is anything other than a desperate attempt to oust Trump. Although anyone at all could have beaten Trump. I'm not sure which Democrat I would have wanted instead of Biden though. Several would have gutted the economy and Constitution far worse.

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Clinton raped social security like it was a staffer left alone with him after work hours. He also relied on the dotcom bubble to falsely inflate the economy while in office. Anyone would have looked great during that era. He was a rapist and a con man.

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He might have been both but the economy flourished during his 8 years. He also reigned in Congress' spending. Thinking it was just coincidence is wishful thinking.

You could easily pretend anyone during Trump's 4 years would have had the same success as him, like Biden. The post Obama bank bailout years should have been great for the economy no matter what, right? But actually I give a lot of credit to Trump. In many ways he got in his own way, but he was good for the economy.

These polls are indicative of how truly terrible Biden is at leading this country, not a resounding endorsement for Trump. I read it as, Biden is so disliked even Trump would beat him right now. I truly hope the Republican party can reign Trump in and just get him to back a younger more well liked ticket but there's no way his ego will allow that. He's out to prove himself. In his mind, if he runs again and wins, it will validate his opinion that the election was stolen from him and he never should have lost in the first place.

I have no plans to vote for Trump in a primary just as I didn't in 2015. But if he wins the nomination, I'll absolutely cast a vote for him over this ****show.

We're steaming toward a 2024 matchup of 82 year old Biden verses 78 year old Trump. We have a minimum age on running for president. Why not a maximum? I don't think it's crazy to give it a window like 35 - 75. That way you'd still be under 80 at the end of your first term. Once you're in office, the age limitation wouldn't prevent you from reelection as the country would have 4 years to evaluate your mental and physical competency to serve.

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Wangchung said:

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Wangchung said:

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The difference is people now know what it is like under Trump versus under democrats. The race card and Russia card won't cut it anymore when crying about mean tweets. Not even whines of "jAnUaRy SIXXXXTTHHH!!!!!!" can cover up the reality all around us. Apparently the American people are not as stupid as the DNC believes them to be.

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Just 3 Democrats ago we had probably the best President in modern history. Clinton was worldd better for the economy than anyone after him.

Let's not pretend Biden is anything other than a desperate attempt to oust Trump. Although anyone at all could have beaten Trump. I'm not sure which Democrat I would have wanted instead of Biden though. Several would have gutted the economy and Constitution far worse.

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Clinton raped social security like it was a staffer left alone with him after work hours. He also relied on the dotcom bubble to falsely inflate the economy while in office. Anyone would have looked great during that era. He was a rapist and a con man.

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He might have been both but the economy flourished during his 8 years. He also reigned in Congress' spending. Thinking it was just coincidence is wishful thinking.

You could easily pretend anyone during Trump's 4 years would have had the same success as him, like Biden. The post Obama bank bailout years should have been great for the economy no matter what, right? But actually I give a lot of credit to Trump. In many ways he got in his own way, but he was good for the economy.

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No, you could not easily pretend Trump's massive deregulation and tax cuts had nothing to do with our booming economy. You cannot easily pretend the dotcom bubble didn't over inflate Clinton's economic numbers, either.

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These polls are indicative of how truly terrible Biden is at leading this country, not a resounding endorsement for Trump. I read it as, Biden is so disliked even Trump would beat him right now. I truly hope the Republican party can reign Trump in and just get him to back a younger more well liked ticket but there's no way his ego will allow that. He's out to prove himself. In his mind, if he runs again and wins, it will validate his opinion that the election was stolen from him and he never should have lost in the first place.

I have no plans to vote for Trump in a primary just as I didn't in 2015. But if he wins the nomination, I'll absolutely cast a vote for him over this ****show.

We're steaming toward a 2024 matchup of 82 year old Biden verses 78 year old Trump. We have a minimum age on running for president. Why not a maximum? I don't think it's crazy to give it a window like 35 - 75. That way you'd still be under 80 at the end of your first term. Once you're in office, the age limitation wouldn't prevent you from reelection as the country would have 4 years to evaluate your mental and physical competency to serve.

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sounds about right..

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Wangchung said:

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Wangchung said:

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The difference is people now know what it is like under Trump versus under democrats. The race card and Russia card won't cut it anymore when crying about mean tweets. Not even whines of "jAnUaRy SIXXXXTTHHH!!!!!!" can cover up the reality all around us. Apparently the American people are not as stupid as the DNC believes them to be.

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Just 3 Democrats ago we had probably the best President in modern history. Clinton was worldd better for the economy than anyone after him.

Let's not pretend Biden is anything other than a desperate attempt to oust Trump. Although anyone at all could have beaten Trump. I'm not sure which Democrat I would have wanted instead of Biden though. Several would have gutted the economy and Constitution far worse.

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Clinton raped social security like it was a staffer left alone with him after work hours. He also relied on the dotcom bubble to falsely inflate the economy while in office. Anyone would have looked great during that era. He was a rapist and a con man.

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He might have been both but the economy flourished during his 8 years. He also reigned in Congress' spending. Thinking it was just coincidence is wishful thinking.

You could easily pretend anyone during Trump's 4 years would have had the same success as him, like Biden. The post Obama bank bailout years should have been great for the economy no matter what, right? But actually I give a lot of credit to Trump. In many ways he got in his own way, but he was good for the economy.

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You're right it was not a coincidence it was Newt Gingrich. He's the reason Clinton succeeded, but massive credit to Clinton for compromising and pivoting.

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Don't you know, this was the most secure and accurate election IN HISTORY. I know because CNN said so.

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And Republican election officials.

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Wangchung said:

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Wangchung said:

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The difference is people now know what it is like under Trump versus under democrats. The race card and Russia card won't cut it anymore when crying about mean tweets. Not even whines of "jAnUaRy SIXXXXTTHHH!!!!!!" can cover up the reality all around us. Apparently the American people are not as stupid as the DNC believes them to be.

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Just 3 Democrats ago we had probably the best President in modern history. Clinton was worldd better for the economy than anyone after him.

Let's not pretend Biden is anything other than a desperate attempt to oust Trump. Although anyone at all could have beaten Trump. I'm not sure which Democrat I would have wanted instead of Biden though. Several would have gutted the economy and Constitution far worse.

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Clinton raped social security like it was a staffer left alone with him after work hours. He also relied on the dotcom bubble to falsely inflate the economy while in office. Anyone would have looked great during that era. He was a rapist and a con man.

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He might have been both but the economy flourished during his 8 years. He also reigned in Congress' spending. Thinking it was just coincidence is wishful thinking.

You could easily pretend anyone during Trump's 4 years would have had the same success as him, like Biden. The post Obama bank bailout years should have been great for the economy no matter what, right? But actually I give a lot of credit to Trump. In many ways he got in his own way, but he was good for the economy.

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You're right it was not a coincidence it was Newt Gingrich. He's the reason Clinton succeeded, but massive credit to Clinton for compromising and pivoting.

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Clinton and Gingrich together, took both of them.

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Rawhide said:

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Don't you know, this was the most secure and accurate election IN HISTORY. I know because CNN said so.

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And Republican election officials.

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letter behind their name doesn't matter, Too many temporary rule changes and unforeseen circumstances that modified how the election transpired for them to make that claim. Every single person who has made that claim is misinformed or lying. There hasn't been enough investigation to say that's a truthful statement. The accurate statement would be we believe this to be the case.. until investigation proves otherwise

As Ronald Reagan said trust but verify.

4th and Inches said:

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quash said:

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Rawhide said:

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Don't you know, this was the most secure and accurate election IN HISTORY. I know because CNN said so.

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And Republican election officials.

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letter behind their name doesn't matter, Too many temporary rule changes and unforeseen circumstances that modified how the election transpired for them to make that claim. Every single person who has made that claim is misinformed or lying. There hasn't been enough investigation to say that's a truthful statement. The accurate statement would be we believe this to be the case.. until investigation proves otherwise

As Ronald Reagan said trust but verify.

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Most elections have a 3% counting error. Being the most accurate (so far) is not a high bar.