Here is a video he posted of the incident. I was actually walking over to deck him because if no one will protect us then I’ll do it myself but I needed to catch a vote more than a case today pic.twitter.com/RdwCNBDIBb

— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) July 14, 2022

The perfect illustration of the elite Democrats.

Hispanics and other minorities BELONG to the Democratic Party and the Republicans are STEALING them.

Porteroso said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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I thought the Surgeon General would know to to pronounce bodega. Maybe the stupidest family ever to occupy the White House.

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Melania really saved the previous family from holding that title.

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But which one would you rather . . . ?

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Jack Bauer said:

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As per CNN: I'm not the real deal

Maybe I'm not the right type of taco 😅 pic.twitter.com/ORfN9BKtrb

— Mayra Flores (@MayraFlores2022) July 12, 2022

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It's blatant sexist racism. I've been lead to believe you can't call out minorities like that.

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It's incredibly open and batant racism and sexism. Their mindset is, believe like us privledged upper class
progressive whites, or your race, your gender, your identity are illegitimate.

If the average independent voter cannot see the progressive leftist are the real organized racists group
in the US, then they have blinders on.

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Yep. I took a psychology class in persuasion and spent a couple weeks studying cults and the behavior of the left is nearly identical to a cult.

Democrats recruit and get support based on race and identity, and in a racist manner they assume all non whites should belong to it.

Like all cults, they use shunning and ostracism when people that are "supposed" to be in the in group are in the out group.

Crispy tacos matter

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Crispy tacos matter

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I prefer the moist ones but to each his own.

Jack Bauer said:

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Here is a video he posted of the incident. I was actually walking over to deck him because if no one will protect us then I’ll do it myself but I needed to catch a vote more than a case today pic.twitter.com/RdwCNBDIBb

— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) July 14, 2022

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This is unacceptable and men need to grow up and stop doing this.
Not sure what thrill they get out of this, but it is very
common.

But, saying he is looking for extremist fame is just stupid.

This is every male work crew in America, especially hispanic work crews.
My wife when she was a teen, walked to school and had to walk by a work crew in East Arlington when they were doing road work near her school.

She said this was every day basically. She said they were worse than this.

Of course my wife grew up in East Arlington, and this woman grew up in an
exclusive Upper middle class Enclave, so she wasn't likely as subject to it growing up
and hasn't developed the thick skin many women have about it.

I agree with her though about the Capital Police Officer if there was on there, they should have shooed
him away and shut him down.

Of course her little beta male boyfriend just kept trucking up the stairs and didn't even look back
in support of her. Little punk.

While I think what he did is pretty juvenile, just shows her double standard. She complains about a guy heckling her for a couple of minutes but think it is ok to protest outside a Supreme Court Justices' home for days.

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While I think what he did is pretty juvenile, just shows her double standard. She complains about a guy heckling her for a couple of minutes but think it is ok to protest outside a Supreme Court Justices' home for days.

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Exactly.

She mocked Brett Kavanaugh having to leave a restaurant after being harassed but she can't take it herself.

This guy is a jacka$$ but he is harmless and no threat to her.

Inside Capitol just now, Rep. AOC asked to speak with "female and LGBT" reporters to warn us that the man who harassed her is affiliated with credentialed news outlet

She said her staff called Capitol police 5x to get them to do something

— Sarah Ferris (@sarahnferris) July 14, 2022

AOC can dish it out but she can't take it.

BearFan33 said:

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AOC can dish it out but she can't take it.

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Like all liberals

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AOC can dish it out but she can't take it.

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Sure didn't look like she was yelling at him. Looked like she was enjoying it and going along with it. DId I read her masked face wrong, sure looked like she was smiling.

Guy shouldn't do that and Capitol Police should not let him.

AOC called the cops 5 times because @alexstein99 told her she has a nice ass but mocked Brett Kavanaugh when a left wing mob forced him to leave through the back of a restaurant. pic.twitter.com/UzA1ndqEBe

— Greg Price (@greg_price11) July 14, 2022

[url=https://twitter.com/JohanComedy][/url]

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Johan Miranda
@JohanComedy
18h[url=https://twitter.com/JohanComedy][/url]
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After being undocumented for 30 years I've finally been approved for a U.S. green card, which now in 2022 feels like scoring a ticket to the Titanic.

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While looking at the AOC tweet which will increase this guys twitter traffic 1000X, I saw this one on a different thread directly below it.

It does resonate, I will say that.

Jack Bauer said:

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Here is a video he posted of the incident. I was actually walking over to deck him because if no one will protect us then I’ll do it myself but I needed to catch a vote more than a case today pic.twitter.com/RdwCNBDIBb

— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) July 14, 2022

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The man walking next to AOC in that video was her fiance', and he just keeps walking.
And AOC has to go run to capitol police and her twitter for help b/c her man won't stand up for her.

Wow - super beta male!

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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https://www.politico.com/news/2022/07/12/jill-biden-apologizes-for-comparing-hispanic-people-to-breakfast-tacos-00045306

Surgeon General Dr. Jill Biden, PhD, called Hispanics tacos.

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Damn, Harrison. I guess you didn't get the play you were expecting over at Surly Texas and came here to get some buy in.

Smart move. You are with your people.

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Sweetheart ..: ****ing with the Texas Traineehy site is fun ... triggering the little fahghets and there single-digit IQs is sport for folks that actually have degrees from UT. The fat women and midget Mexican moderators are entertainment.

This site at least tolerates diversity ... the fat women that post over there can't handle anything that doesn't confirm their a Golden Corral brand of naziism.

The guy who I mentioned as part of the bet got a dick pick from the little - I mean really little moderator - I think I'll consider posting over there. I won't share his unofficial nickname.

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I really terrified the little guy. The tiny fascist Virginia literally banned me from the site. UT fans are the biggest pu$$it's in the nation. They're non-self-aware aggys. For the best as that sites become a gay circle jerk and aggy dick envy.

RMF5630 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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I thought the Surgeon General would know to to pronounce bodega. Maybe the stupidest family ever to occupy the White House.

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Melania really saved the previous family from holding that title.

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Trump for all his flaws was much more successful as President. He may have claimed to "invent the question mark", but he also got things done. (See idiot Bidens current Middle East trip vs Trumps).

Biden has done nothing but tear down and embarrass. If I am going to be embarrassed I prefer by someone who thinks our Nation is the greatest land of opportunity and worthy of respect, not one that needs to apologize for everything under the sun and rebuild it in some utopian vision.

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Trump also broke the Democrat hold on the Hispanic vote, in the RGV specifically.

Democrat math gets really, really tenuous if the GOP wins the Hispanic vote. And if the Dem share of the Black vote stabilizes down into the 60% range as it is now, the only way the Dems can win is with improbable turnout percentages in other demographics which will be nigh-on impossible to achieve in the 2022 and 2024 cycles, given economic realities.

That partly explains the desperation for the J6 cmee. Dems are in survival mode as a party.

whiterock said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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I thought the Surgeon General would know to to pronounce bodega. Maybe the stupidest family ever to occupy the White House.

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Melania really saved the previous family from holding that title.

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Trump for all his flaws was much more successful as President. He may have claimed to "invent the question mark", but he also got things done. (See idiot Bidens current Middle East trip vs Trumps).

Biden has done nothing but tear down and embarrass. If I am going to be embarrassed I prefer by someone who thinks our Nation is the greatest land of opportunity and worthy of respect, not one that needs to apologize for everything under the sun and rebuild it in some utopian vision.

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Trump also broke the Democrat hold on the Hispanic vote, in the RGV specifically.

Democrat math gets really, really tenuous if the GOP wins the Hispanic vote. And if the Dem share of the Black vote stabilizes down into the 60% range as it is now, the only way the Dems can win is with improbable turnout percentages in other demographics which will be nigh-on impossible to achieve in the 2022 and 2024 cycles, given economic realities.

That partly explains the desperation for the J6 cmee. Dems are in survival mode as a party.

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elitist entitlement statements like "if you dont vote for me, you aint black" are the downfall because both minority groups are mostly conservative but align with the party of the people which is shifting to the GOP as the Dems become the party of big corporate/big tech

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BearFan33 said:

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AOC can dish it out but she can't take it.

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Like all liberals

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That is the fundamental disconnect on why we cannot have actual productive conversations. Wokeys create their "reality" in a moment depending on the T-shirt. I am sure there are some conservatives that do this, but they tend to be on the fringes vs. mainstream wokeys. The problem is wokeys constantly move the goalposts and change "reality" to fit their ends, so what they did today they will decry tomorrow, etc.

I have very consistent principles that I apply across the board, regardless of T-shirt. For example:

• I oppose politicians being harassed in their personal spaces - fine to protest in front of a government building or in public, but leave them alone personally (at their homes, dinners, walking to work, etc.)
• I oppose violence and destruction of public property
• I want the same standards applied equally not based on T-shirt
• "-isms" are discrimination based on a physical characteristic not political persuasion

whiterock said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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I thought the Surgeon General would know to to pronounce bodega. Maybe the stupidest family ever to occupy the White House.

---

Melania really saved the previous family from holding that title.

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Trump for all his flaws was much more successful as President. He may have claimed to "invent the question mark", but he also got things done. (See idiot Bidens current Middle East trip vs Trumps).

Biden has done nothing but tear down and embarrass. If I am going to be embarrassed I prefer by someone who thinks our Nation is the greatest land of opportunity and worthy of respect, not one that needs to apologize for everything under the sun and rebuild it in some utopian vision.

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Trump also broke the Democrat hold on the Hispanic vote, in the RGV specifically.

Democrat math gets really, really tenuous if the GOP wins the Hispanic vote. And if the Dem share of the Black vote stabilizes down into the 60% range as it is now, the only way the Dems can win is with improbable turnout percentages in other demographics which will be nigh-on impossible to achieve in the 2022 and 2024 cycles, given economic realities.

That partly explains the desperation for the J6 cmee. Dems are in survival mode as a party.

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I think there is a broader shift. The progressives have really started to shift the voter dynamics with its emphasis on its crazy Culture War issues and "Climate Change." I think the party's are always (again) switching core voting bases:
- The Democratic Party is / has become the party of the privileged, white, urban elite
- The Republican Party is / has become the party of the working people

The African American vote is more entrenched with the Democrat Party given its machine, but that is changing too. African Americans tend to be exponentially more culturally conservative than wokeys, and you can only scream T'RACISM so many times. Even looking on social media, the growth of conservative African Americans that have come out of the closet is growing quickly. Like most Hispanics and blue collar whites, African Americans are dealing with the results of Democrat policies and do not really lose sleep about not being able to kill babies or groom children.

Harrison Bergeron said:

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whiterock said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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I thought the Surgeon General would know to to pronounce bodega. Maybe the stupidest family ever to occupy the White House.

---

Melania really saved the previous family from holding that title.

---

Trump for all his flaws was much more successful as President. He may have claimed to "invent the question mark", but he also got things done. (See idiot Bidens current Middle East trip vs Trumps).

Biden has done nothing but tear down and embarrass. If I am going to be embarrassed I prefer by someone who thinks our Nation is the greatest land of opportunity and worthy of respect, not one that needs to apologize for everything under the sun and rebuild it in some utopian vision.

---

Trump also broke the Democrat hold on the Hispanic vote, in the RGV specifically.

Democrat math gets really, really tenuous if the GOP wins the Hispanic vote. And if the Dem share of the Black vote stabilizes down into the 60% range as it is now, the only way the Dems can win is with improbable turnout percentages in other demographics which will be nigh-on impossible to achieve in the 2022 and 2024 cycles, given economic realities.

That partly explains the desperation for the J6 cmee. Dems are in survival mode as a party.

---

I think there is a broader shift. The progressives have really started to shift the voter dynamics with its emphasis on its crazy Culture War issues and "Climate Change." I think the party's are always (again) switching core voting bases:
- The Democratic Party is / has become the party of the privileged, white, urban elite
- The Republican Party is / has become the party of the working people

The African American vote is more entrenched with the Democrat Party given its machine, but that is changing too. African Americans tend to be exponentially more culturally conservative than wokeys, and you can only scream T'RACISM so many times. Even looking on social media, the growth of conservative African Americans that have come out of the closet is growing quickly. Like most Hispanics and blue collar whites, African Americans are dealing with the results of Democrat policies and do not really lose sleep about not being able to kill babies or groom children.

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Indeed. Shor's data in particular show Dems shrinking their geography basically back to the larger urban areas to the degree they are in a sense not really a national party. It disconnects them from economic realities in a way that make it impossible for them to appreciate the damage that green policy does to industry and individuals.

There are numerous thoughtful pieces on wokeness as gnostic religion that elites can virtue posture upon to differentiate themselves from the great unwashed out in flyover country.

I saw glimpses of the dynamic when I came home in 1994.....what exactly did the folks talking on TV and writing in the newspapers have in common the the folks eating lunch at Georges?....the gentlemen playing dominoes in the breakroom at my father's business?....the floating canasta group in my mom's living room?.....the assembled group at the Lion's Den every Monday for Rotary lunch? Waco was and to a significant degree still is a Peoria, a microcosm of middle America, an "average place." The answer, of course, is that most of the talkers/writers of that day were born in places like Waco or Peoria. That is no longer the case. New generations have not only lost touch with the parts of their legacy they're supposed to venerate, they've been taught to despise it.

whiterock said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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whiterock said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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I thought the Surgeon General would know to to pronounce bodega. Maybe the stupidest family ever to occupy the White House.

---

Melania really saved the previous family from holding that title.

---

Trump for all his flaws was much more successful as President. He may have claimed to "invent the question mark", but he also got things done. (See idiot Bidens current Middle East trip vs Trumps).

Biden has done nothing but tear down and embarrass. If I am going to be embarrassed I prefer by someone who thinks our Nation is the greatest land of opportunity and worthy of respect, not one that needs to apologize for everything under the sun and rebuild it in some utopian vision.

---

Trump also broke the Democrat hold on the Hispanic vote, in the RGV specifically.

Democrat math gets really, really tenuous if the GOP wins the Hispanic vote. And if the Dem share of the Black vote stabilizes down into the 60% range as it is now, the only way the Dems can win is with improbable turnout percentages in other demographics which will be nigh-on impossible to achieve in the 2022 and 2024 cycles, given economic realities.

That partly explains the desperation for the J6 cmee. Dems are in survival mode as a party.

---

I think there is a broader shift. The progressives have really started to shift the voter dynamics with its emphasis on its crazy Culture War issues and "Climate Change." I think the party's are always (again) switching core voting bases:
- The Democratic Party is / has become the party of the privileged, white, urban elite
- The Republican Party is / has become the party of the working people

The African American vote is more entrenched with the Democrat Party given its machine, but that is changing too. African Americans tend to be exponentially more culturally conservative than wokeys, and you can only scream T'RACISM so many times. Even looking on social media, the growth of conservative African Americans that have come out of the closet is growing quickly. Like most Hispanics and blue collar whites, African Americans are dealing with the results of Democrat policies and do not really lose sleep about not being able to kill babies or groom children.

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Indeed. Shor's data in particular show Dems shrinking their geography basically back to the larger urban areas to the degree they are in a sense not really a national party. It disconnects them from economic realities in a way that make it impossible for them to appreciate the damage that green policy does to industry and individuals.

There are numerous thoughtful pieces on wokeness as gnostic religion that elites can virtue posture upon to differentiate themselves from the great unwashed out in flyover country.

I saw glimpses of the dynamic when I came home in 1994.....what exactly did the folks talking on TV and writing in the newspapers have in common the the folks eating lunch at Georges?....the gentlemen playing dominoes in the breakroom at my father's business?....the floating canasta group in my mom's living room?.....the assembled group at the Lion's Den every Monday for Rotary lunch? Waco was and to a significant degree still is a Peoria, a microcosm of middle America, an "average place." The answer, of course, is that most of the talkers/writers of that day were born in places like Waco or Peoria. That is no longer the case. New generations have not only lost touch with the parts of their legacy they're supposed to venerate, they've been taught to despise it.

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I love Victor Davis Hanson. He has an academic pedigree that would make any wokey blush but retains the sensibility of a blue collar farmer. He has lots of great stuff supporting your points. People who actually work for a living and are not part of the privileged Zoom class are not kept up at night by "Climate Change" and the men thinking they are women.

Twatter really exacerbates the problem. It feels like much of journalism now is just responding to what other journalists or blue checks post on twatter vs. the real world, forgetting that maybe 3% of the U.S. is active on twatter and it is overwhelmingly privileged, wokey elites. Hardly any actual reporting occurs.

We're really seeing the chickens of the post-60s radicalism come home to roost. Twatter has enabled at light speed the esoteric concerns of idiot academics take root in other institutions and corporations as well as spread disinformation.

Harrison Bergeron said:

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whiterock said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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whiterock said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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I thought the Surgeon General would know to to pronounce bodega. Maybe the stupidest family ever to occupy the White House.

---

Melania really saved the previous family from holding that title.

---

Trump for all his flaws was much more successful as President. He may have claimed to "invent the question mark", but he also got things done. (See idiot Bidens current Middle East trip vs Trumps).

Biden has done nothing but tear down and embarrass. If I am going to be embarrassed I prefer by someone who thinks our Nation is the greatest land of opportunity and worthy of respect, not one that needs to apologize for everything under the sun and rebuild it in some utopian vision.

---

Trump also broke the Democrat hold on the Hispanic vote, in the RGV specifically.

Democrat math gets really, really tenuous if the GOP wins the Hispanic vote. And if the Dem share of the Black vote stabilizes down into the 60% range as it is now, the only way the Dems can win is with improbable turnout percentages in other demographics which will be nigh-on impossible to achieve in the 2022 and 2024 cycles, given economic realities.

That partly explains the desperation for the J6 cmee. Dems are in survival mode as a party.

---

I think there is a broader shift. The progressives have really started to shift the voter dynamics with its emphasis on its crazy Culture War issues and "Climate Change." I think the party's are always (again) switching core voting bases:
- The Democratic Party is / has become the party of the privileged, white, urban elite
- The Republican Party is / has become the party of the working people

The African American vote is more entrenched with the Democrat Party given its machine, but that is changing too. African Americans tend to be exponentially more culturally conservative than wokeys, and you can only scream T'RACISM so many times. Even looking on social media, the growth of conservative African Americans that have come out of the closet is growing quickly. Like most Hispanics and blue collar whites, African Americans are dealing with the results of Democrat policies and do not really lose sleep about not being able to kill babies or groom children.

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Indeed. Shor's data in particular show Dems shrinking their geography basically back to the larger urban areas to the degree they are in a sense not really a national party. It disconnects them from economic realities in a way that make it impossible for them to appreciate the damage that green policy does to industry and individuals.

There are numerous thoughtful pieces on wokeness as gnostic religion that elites can virtue posture upon to differentiate themselves from the great unwashed out in flyover country.

I saw glimpses of the dynamic when I came home in 1994.....what exactly did the folks talking on TV and writing in the newspapers have in common the the folks eating lunch at Georges?....the gentlemen playing dominoes in the breakroom at my father's business?....the floating canasta group in my mom's living room?.....the assembled group at the Lion's Den every Monday for Rotary lunch? Waco was and to a significant degree still is a Peoria, a microcosm of middle America, an "average place." The answer, of course, is that most of the talkers/writers of that day were born in places like Waco or Peoria. That is no longer the case. New generations have not only lost touch with the parts of their legacy they're supposed to venerate, they've been taught to despise it.

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I love Victor Davis Hanson. He has an academic pedigree that would make any wokey blush but retains the sensibility of a blue collar farmer. He has lots of great stuff supporting your points. People who actually work for a living and are not part of the privileged Zoom class are not kept up at night by "Climate Change" and the men thinking they are women.

Twatter really exacerbates the problem. It feels like much of journalism now is just responding to what other journalists or blue checks post on twatter vs. the real world, forgetting that maybe 3% of the U.S. is active on twatter and it is overwhelmingly privileged, wokey elites. Hardly any actual reporting occurs.

We're really seeing the chickens of the post-60s radicalism come home to roost. Twatter has enabled at light speed the esoteric concerns of idiot academics take root in other institutions and corporations as well as spread disinformation.

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Feedback loop = confirmation bias. They hear each other with very little dissent and think they've won the argument. but they haven't really persuaded anyone much outside their little world of anything except how out of touch they are.

Feedback loops are how we get the Russia Hoax, and the J6 Cmee, and fully grown men being named femal athletes of the year. They THINK they're closing the deal. Meanwhile, most of the country just stares at them in amazement.

Jack Bauer said:

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Jack Bauer said:

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Here is a video he posted of the incident. I was actually walking over to deck him because if no one will protect us then I’ll do it myself but I needed to catch a vote more than a case today pic.twitter.com/RdwCNBDIBb

— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) July 14, 2022

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The man walking next to AOC in that video was her fiance', and he just keeps walking.
And AOC has to go run to capitol police and her twitter for help b/c her man won't stand up for her.

Wow - super beta male!

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Here is my big problem with AOC, she has basically evolved into a national level Social media influencer with millions of followers and little else.

Even though she represents a district which is struggling and has scant little in common with her and her privledged upbringing, I never hear her expand on her districts struggles, issues with crime, and economic struggles, it's always about her, her, her, her, her.

She hates Trump, but she is basically Trump, all about themselves.

I bet when her gig is up in a few years, maybe even sooner, she takes a very prominent MSM job, making 10X to 20X what she is making now.

This is not about her constituents. It's about her making a name for her.

whiterock said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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whiterock said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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I thought the Surgeon General would know to to pronounce bodega. Maybe the stupidest family ever to occupy the White House.

---

Melania really saved the previous family from holding that title.

---

Trump for all his flaws was much more successful as President. He may have claimed to "invent the question mark", but he also got things done. (See idiot Bidens current Middle East trip vs Trumps).

Biden has done nothing but tear down and embarrass. If I am going to be embarrassed I prefer by someone who thinks our Nation is the greatest land of opportunity and worthy of respect, not one that needs to apologize for everything under the sun and rebuild it in some utopian vision.

---

Trump also broke the Democrat hold on the Hispanic vote, in the RGV specifically.

Democrat math gets really, really tenuous if the GOP wins the Hispanic vote. And if the Dem share of the Black vote stabilizes down into the 60% range as it is now, the only way the Dems can win is with improbable turnout percentages in other demographics which will be nigh-on impossible to achieve in the 2022 and 2024 cycles, given economic realities.

That partly explains the desperation for the J6 cmee. Dems are in survival mode as a party.

---

I think there is a broader shift. The progressives have really started to shift the voter dynamics with its emphasis on its crazy Culture War issues and "Climate Change." I think the party's are always (again) switching core voting bases:
- The Democratic Party is / has become the party of the privileged, white, urban elite
- The Republican Party is / has become the party of the working people

The African American vote is more entrenched with the Democrat Party given its machine, but that is changing too. African Americans tend to be exponentially more culturally conservative than wokeys, and you can only scream T'RACISM so many times. Even looking on social media, the growth of conservative African Americans that have come out of the closet is growing quickly. Like most Hispanics and blue collar whites, African Americans are dealing with the results of Democrat policies and do not really lose sleep about not being able to kill babies or groom children.

---

I saw glimpses of the dynamic when I came home in 1994.....what exactly did the folks talking on TV and writing in the newspapers have in common the the folks eating lunch at Georges?

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Both groups have to eat.
Both groups want to work.
Both groups love their spouses.
Both groups get divorced.
Both groups have abortions.
Both groups have gays.
Both groups have believers.
Both groups have atheists.
Both groups are too in love with their careers.
Both groups enjoy the largesse of their government.
Both groups are in denial about the debt.
Both groups like being lied to.
Both groups are part of the same decadent society.
Both groups will die if the water doesn't run and the power doesn't flow.

Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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whiterock said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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I thought the Surgeon General would know to to pronounce bodega. Maybe the stupidest family ever to occupy the White House.

---

Melania really saved the previous family from holding that title.

---

Trump for all his flaws was much more successful as President. He may have claimed to "invent the question mark", but he also got things done. (See idiot Bidens current Middle East trip vs Trumps).

Biden has done nothing but tear down and embarrass. If I am going to be embarrassed I prefer by someone who thinks our Nation is the greatest land of opportunity and worthy of respect, not one that needs to apologize for everything under the sun and rebuild it in some utopian vision.

---

Trump also broke the Democrat hold on the Hispanic vote, in the RGV specifically.

Democrat math gets really, really tenuous if the GOP wins the Hispanic vote. And if the Dem share of the Black vote stabilizes down into the 60% range as it is now, the only way the Dems can win is with improbable turnout percentages in other demographics which will be nigh-on impossible to achieve in the 2022 and 2024 cycles, given economic realities.

That partly explains the desperation for the J6 cmee. Dems are in survival mode as a party.

---

I think there is a broader shift. The progressives have really started to shift the voter dynamics with its emphasis on its crazy Culture War issues and "Climate Change." I think the party's are always (again) switching core voting bases:
- The Democratic Party is / has become the party of the privileged, white, urban elite
- The Republican Party is / has become the party of the working people

The African American vote is more entrenched with the Democrat Party given its machine, but that is changing too. African Americans tend to be exponentially more culturally conservative than wokeys, and you can only scream T'RACISM so many times. Even looking on social media, the growth of conservative African Americans that have come out of the closet is growing quickly. Like most Hispanics and blue collar whites, African Americans are dealing with the results of Democrat policies and do not really lose sleep about not being able to kill babies or groom children.

---

I saw glimpses of the dynamic when I came home in 1994.....what exactly did the folks talking on TV and writing in the newspapers have in common the the folks eating lunch at Georges?

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Both groups have to eat.
Both groups want to work.
Both groups love their spouses.
Both groups get divorced.
Both groups have abortions.
Both groups have gays.
Both groups have believers.
Both groups have atheists.
Both groups are too in love with their careers.
Both groups enjoy the largesse of their government.
Both groups are in denial about the debt.
Both groups like being lied to.
Both groups are part of the same decadent society.
Both groups will die if the water doesn't run and the power doesn't flow.

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So it's Trump's fault that nobody gets a long and everybody's getting cancelled.

got it.

whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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whiterock said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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I thought the Surgeon General would know to to pronounce bodega. Maybe the stupidest family ever to occupy the White House.

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Melania really saved the previous family from holding that title.

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Trump for all his flaws was much more successful as President. He may have claimed to "invent the question mark", but he also got things done. (See idiot Bidens current Middle East trip vs Trumps).

Biden has done nothing but tear down and embarrass. If I am going to be embarrassed I prefer by someone who thinks our Nation is the greatest land of opportunity and worthy of respect, not one that needs to apologize for everything under the sun and rebuild it in some utopian vision.

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Trump also broke the Democrat hold on the Hispanic vote, in the RGV specifically.

Democrat math gets really, really tenuous if the GOP wins the Hispanic vote. And if the Dem share of the Black vote stabilizes down into the 60% range as it is now, the only way the Dems can win is with improbable turnout percentages in other demographics which will be nigh-on impossible to achieve in the 2022 and 2024 cycles, given economic realities.

That partly explains the desperation for the J6 cmee. Dems are in survival mode as a party.

---

I think there is a broader shift. The progressives have really started to shift the voter dynamics with its emphasis on its crazy Culture War issues and "Climate Change." I think the party's are always (again) switching core voting bases:
- The Democratic Party is / has become the party of the privileged, white, urban elite
- The Republican Party is / has become the party of the working people

The African American vote is more entrenched with the Democrat Party given its machine, but that is changing too. African Americans tend to be exponentially more culturally conservative than wokeys, and you can only scream T'RACISM so many times. Even looking on social media, the growth of conservative African Americans that have come out of the closet is growing quickly. Like most Hispanics and blue collar whites, African Americans are dealing with the results of Democrat policies and do not really lose sleep about not being able to kill babies or groom children.

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I saw glimpses of the dynamic when I came home in 1994.....what exactly did the folks talking on TV and writing in the newspapers have in common the the folks eating lunch at Georges?

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Both groups have to eat.
Both groups want to work.
Both groups love their spouses.
Both groups get divorced.
Both groups have abortions.
Both groups have gays.
Both groups have believers.
Both groups have atheists.
Both groups are too in love with their careers.
Both groups enjoy the largesse of their government.
Both groups are in denial about the debt.
Both groups like being lied to.
Both groups are part of the same decadent society.
Both groups will die if the water doesn't run and the power doesn't flow.

---

So it's Trump's fault that nobody gets a long and everybody's getting cancelled.

got it.

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Huh?

Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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whiterock said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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I thought the Surgeon General would know to to pronounce bodega. Maybe the stupidest family ever to occupy the White House.

---

Melania really saved the previous family from holding that title.

---

Trump for all his flaws was much more successful as President. He may have claimed to "invent the question mark", but he also got things done. (See idiot Bidens current Middle East trip vs Trumps).

Biden has done nothing but tear down and embarrass. If I am going to be embarrassed I prefer by someone who thinks our Nation is the greatest land of opportunity and worthy of respect, not one that needs to apologize for everything under the sun and rebuild it in some utopian vision.

---

Trump also broke the Democrat hold on the Hispanic vote, in the RGV specifically.

Democrat math gets really, really tenuous if the GOP wins the Hispanic vote. And if the Dem share of the Black vote stabilizes down into the 60% range as it is now, the only way the Dems can win is with improbable turnout percentages in other demographics which will be nigh-on impossible to achieve in the 2022 and 2024 cycles, given economic realities.

That partly explains the desperation for the J6 cmee. Dems are in survival mode as a party.

---

I think there is a broader shift. The progressives have really started to shift the voter dynamics with its emphasis on its crazy Culture War issues and "Climate Change." I think the party's are always (again) switching core voting bases:
- The Democratic Party is / has become the party of the privileged, white, urban elite
- The Republican Party is / has become the party of the working people

The African American vote is more entrenched with the Democrat Party given its machine, but that is changing too. African Americans tend to be exponentially more culturally conservative than wokeys, and you can only scream T'RACISM so many times. Even looking on social media, the growth of conservative African Americans that have come out of the closet is growing quickly. Like most Hispanics and blue collar whites, African Americans are dealing with the results of Democrat policies and do not really lose sleep about not being able to kill babies or groom children.

---

I saw glimpses of the dynamic when I came home in 1994.....what exactly did the folks talking on TV and writing in the newspapers have in common the the folks eating lunch at Georges?

---

Both groups have to eat.
Both groups want to work.
Both groups love their spouses.
Both groups get divorced.
Both groups have abortions.
Both groups have gays.
Both groups have believers.
Both groups have atheists.
Both groups are too in love with their careers.
Both groups enjoy the largesse of their government.
Both groups are in denial about the debt.
Both groups like being lied to.
Both groups are part of the same decadent society.
Both groups will die if the water doesn't run and the power doesn't flow.

---

So it's Trump's fault that nobody gets a long and everybody's getting cancelled.

got it.

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Huh?

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dude. the two sides don't even agree on the definition of what is a boy and what is a girl.

whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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whiterock said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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I thought the Surgeon General would know to to pronounce bodega. Maybe the stupidest family ever to occupy the White House.

---

Melania really saved the previous family from holding that title.

---

Trump for all his flaws was much more successful as President. He may have claimed to "invent the question mark", but he also got things done. (See idiot Bidens current Middle East trip vs Trumps).

Biden has done nothing but tear down and embarrass. If I am going to be embarrassed I prefer by someone who thinks our Nation is the greatest land of opportunity and worthy of respect, not one that needs to apologize for everything under the sun and rebuild it in some utopian vision.

---

Trump also broke the Democrat hold on the Hispanic vote, in the RGV specifically.

Democrat math gets really, really tenuous if the GOP wins the Hispanic vote. And if the Dem share of the Black vote stabilizes down into the 60% range as it is now, the only way the Dems can win is with improbable turnout percentages in other demographics which will be nigh-on impossible to achieve in the 2022 and 2024 cycles, given economic realities.

That partly explains the desperation for the J6 cmee. Dems are in survival mode as a party.

---

I think there is a broader shift. The progressives have really started to shift the voter dynamics with its emphasis on its crazy Culture War issues and "Climate Change." I think the party's are always (again) switching core voting bases:
- The Democratic Party is / has become the party of the privileged, white, urban elite
- The Republican Party is / has become the party of the working people

The African American vote is more entrenched with the Democrat Party given its machine, but that is changing too. African Americans tend to be exponentially more culturally conservative than wokeys, and you can only scream T'RACISM so many times. Even looking on social media, the growth of conservative African Americans that have come out of the closet is growing quickly. Like most Hispanics and blue collar whites, African Americans are dealing with the results of Democrat policies and do not really lose sleep about not being able to kill babies or groom children.

---

I saw glimpses of the dynamic when I came home in 1994.....what exactly did the folks talking on TV and writing in the newspapers have in common the the folks eating lunch at Georges?

---

Both groups have to eat.
Both groups want to work.
Both groups love their spouses.
Both groups get divorced.
Both groups have abortions.
Both groups have gays.
Both groups have believers.
Both groups have atheists.
Both groups are too in love with their careers.
Both groups enjoy the largesse of their government.
Both groups are in denial about the debt.
Both groups like being lied to.
Both groups are part of the same decadent society.
Both groups will die if the water doesn't run and the power doesn't flow.

---

So it's Trump's fault that nobody gets a long and everybody's getting cancelled.

got it.

---

Huh?

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dude. the two sides don't even agree on the definition of what is a boy and what is a girl.

---

The same madness manifests itself in different ways. Some believe there are 16 genders. Others believe in Jewish space lasers. All of it results from idolatry. The most appealing ideology is a lie when it overcomes reason and becomes an object of worship. That's why people don't get along. They're fighting with all the zeal of religious warriors.

Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Quote:

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Quote:

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Quote:

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Trump for all his flaws was much more successful as President. He may have claimed to "invent the question mark", but he also got things done. (See idiot Bidens current Middle East trip vs Trumps).

Biden has done nothing but tear down and embarrass. If I am going to be embarrassed I prefer by someone who thinks our Nation is the greatest land of opportunity and worthy of respect, not one that needs to apologize for everything under the sun and rebuild it in some utopian vision.

---

Trump also broke the Democrat hold on the Hispanic vote, in the RGV specifically.

Democrat math gets really, really tenuous if the GOP wins the Hispanic vote. And if the Dem share of the Black vote stabilizes down into the 60% range as it is now, the only way the Dems can win is with improbable turnout percentages in other demographics which will be nigh-on impossible to achieve in the 2022 and 2024 cycles, given economic realities.

That partly explains the desperation for the J6 cmee. Dems are in survival mode as a party.

---

I think there is a broader shift. The progressives have really started to shift the voter dynamics with its emphasis on its crazy Culture War issues and "Climate Change." I think the party's are always (again) switching core voting bases:
- The Democratic Party is / has become the party of the privileged, white, urban elite
- The Republican Party is / has become the party of the working people

The African American vote is more entrenched with the Democrat Party given its machine, but that is changing too. African Americans tend to be exponentially more culturally conservative than wokeys, and you can only scream T'RACISM so many times. Even looking on social media, the growth of conservative African Americans that have come out of the closet is growing quickly. Like most Hispanics and blue collar whites, African Americans are dealing with the results of Democrat policies and do not really lose sleep about not being able to kill babies or groom children.

---

I saw glimpses of the dynamic when I came home in 1994.....what exactly did the folks talking on TV and writing in the newspapers have in common the the folks eating lunch at Georges?

---

Both groups have to eat.
Both groups want to work.
Both groups love their spouses.
Both groups get divorced.
Both groups have abortions.
Both groups have gays.
Both groups have believers.
Both groups have atheists.
Both groups are too in love with their careers.
Both groups enjoy the largesse of their government.
Both groups are in denial about the debt.
Both groups like being lied to.
Both groups are part of the same decadent society.
Both groups will die if the water doesn't run and the power doesn't flow.

---

So it's Trump's fault that nobody gets a long and everybody's getting cancelled.

got it.

---

Huh?

---

dude. the two sides don't even agree on the definition of what is a boy and what is a girl.

---

The same madness manifests itself in different ways. Some believe there are 16 genders. Others believe in Jewish space lasers. All of it results from idolatry. The most appealing ideology is a lie when it overcomes reason and becomes an object of worship. That's why people don't get along. They're fighting with all the zeal of religious warriors.

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suffers from fallacy of middle ground.

establishments needed to keep an electorate grounded and interconnected have lost the ability to do so. Here's two links I found yesterday to illustrate the point. I didn't search for any of it (other than the bio on Ottesen). It just popped up in my various feeds. No algorithm could possibly have calculated such was "my kind of content."

an alphabet media network, ostensibly journalism, pays a guy like this to comment, without any balance anywhere:
https://thepoliticalinsider.com/msnbc-analyst-malcolm-nance-says-the-left-may-have-to-fight-their-trump-supporting-neighbors/
(insert iron law of woke projection here).

far from balance, we see this kind of nonsense from WAPO:
https://news.yahoo.com/expert-civil-wars-discusses-where-170852345.html
I mean, this is a very intelligent and highly educated person spouting utter jibberish, completely clueless about the rabble she castigates. She's applying the template needed to support her post-modernist worldview that all threats to liberty exist on the right.

the author of the WAPO article? Look at who she lauds as profiles in courage. any balance there? for that matter, where is such balance anywhere? no one on the right worthy of a profile in courage, by anyone?
https://www.politics-prose.com/event/book/kk-ottesen-activist-portraits-of-courage-in-conversation-jasilyn-charger
And when we drill down into the author.....Wesleyan, Yale, WAPO, living in DC, etc.....as blue blood a pedigree as one could build. It is odd that she believes and writes what she does? Why no, it's so expected that all we have to do is say..."Wesleyan, Yale, WAPO" and we can fill in the res. Or, alternatively, we can just list the titles of her books and immediately know that she attended Wesleyan and Yale and works for WAPO. It's so formulaic as to be completely unremarkable, were it not so completely divorced from reality of the broader world that hosts her little cocoon. Where is a comparably nurtured ecosystem of esteemed wizards on the right?

It should not be any wonder that such elites would conjure dragons to explain as dark magic the forces of reality which are making their virtue posturing nonsense sound ever more shrill. That's what happens when one accepts post-modernist frameworks to explain cognitive dissonance. Repressive tolerance becomes not a conscious act (of plain old intolerance), but a reflexive worldview of attacking anything one perceives to their right, no matter how obviously it comports with reality, while coddling anything on the left no matter how irritably intolerant it manifests itself. When societal elites become this hostile to anyone and anything outside their worldview, societies tend to reorder themselves. Ergo our current dilemma.

whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Quote:

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Quote:

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Quote:

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Trump for all his flaws was much more successful as President. He may have claimed to "invent the question mark", but he also got things done. (See idiot Bidens current Middle East trip vs Trumps).

Biden has done nothing but tear down and embarrass. If I am going to be embarrassed I prefer by someone who thinks our Nation is the greatest land of opportunity and worthy of respect, not one that needs to apologize for everything under the sun and rebuild it in some utopian vision.

---

Trump also broke the Democrat hold on the Hispanic vote, in the RGV specifically.

Democrat math gets really, really tenuous if the GOP wins the Hispanic vote. And if the Dem share of the Black vote stabilizes down into the 60% range as it is now, the only way the Dems can win is with improbable turnout percentages in other demographics which will be nigh-on impossible to achieve in the 2022 and 2024 cycles, given economic realities.

That partly explains the desperation for the J6 cmee. Dems are in survival mode as a party.

---

I think there is a broader shift. The progressives have really started to shift the voter dynamics with its emphasis on its crazy Culture War issues and "Climate Change." I think the party's are always (again) switching core voting bases:
- The Democratic Party is / has become the party of the privileged, white, urban elite
- The Republican Party is / has become the party of the working people

The African American vote is more entrenched with the Democrat Party given its machine, but that is changing too. African Americans tend to be exponentially more culturally conservative than wokeys, and you can only scream T'RACISM so many times. Even looking on social media, the growth of conservative African Americans that have come out of the closet is growing quickly. Like most Hispanics and blue collar whites, African Americans are dealing with the results of Democrat policies and do not really lose sleep about not being able to kill babies or groom children.

---

I saw glimpses of the dynamic when I came home in 1994.....what exactly did the folks talking on TV and writing in the newspapers have in common the the folks eating lunch at Georges?

---

Both groups have to eat.
Both groups want to work.
Both groups love their spouses.
Both groups get divorced.
Both groups have abortions.
Both groups have gays.
Both groups have believers.
Both groups have atheists.
Both groups are too in love with their careers.
Both groups enjoy the largesse of their government.
Both groups are in denial about the debt.
Both groups like being lied to.
Both groups are part of the same decadent society.
Both groups will die if the water doesn't run and the power doesn't flow.

---

So it's Trump's fault that nobody gets a long and everybody's getting cancelled.

got it.

---

Huh?

---

dude. the two sides don't even agree on the definition of what is a boy and what is a girl.

---

The same madness manifests itself in different ways. Some believe there are 16 genders. Others believe in Jewish space lasers. All of it results from idolatry. The most appealing ideology is a lie when it overcomes reason and becomes an object of worship. That's why people don't get along. They're fighting with all the zeal of religious warriors.

---

suffers from fallacy of middle ground.

establishments needed to keep an electorate grounded and interconnected have lost the ability to do so. Here's two links I found yesterday to illustrate the point. I didn't search for any of it (other than the bio on Ottesen). It just popped up in my various feeds. No algorithm could possibly have calculated such was "my kind of content."

an alphabet media network, ostensibly journalism, pays a guy like this to comment, without any balance anywhere:
https://thepoliticalinsider.com/msnbc-analyst-malcolm-nance-says-the-left-may-have-to-fight-their-trump-supporting-neighbors/
(insert iron law of woke projection here).

far from balance, we see this kind of nonsense from WAPO:
https://news.yahoo.com/expert-civil-wars-discusses-where-170852345.html
I mean, this is a very intelligent and highly educated person spouting utter jibberish, completely clueless about the rabble she castigates. She's applying the template needed to support her post-modernist worldview that all threats to liberty exist on the right.

the author of the WAPO article? Look at who she lauds as profiles in courage. any balance there? for that matter, where is such balance anywhere? no one on the right worthy of a profile in courage, by anyone?
https://www.politics-prose.com/event/book/kk-ottesen-activist-portraits-of-courage-in-conversation-jasilyn-charger
And when we drill down into the author.....Wesleyan, Yale, WAPO, living in DC, etc.....as blue blood a pedigree as one could build. It is odd that she believes and writes what she does? Why no, it's so expected that all we have to do is say..."Wesleyan, Yale, WAPO" and we can fill in the res. Or, alternatively, we can just list the titles of her books and immediately know that she attended Wesleyan and Yale and works for WAPO. It's so formulaic as to be completely unremarkable, were it not so completely divorced from reality of the broader world that hosts her little cocoon. Where is a comparably nurtured ecosystem of esteemed wizards on the right?

It should not be any wonder that such elites would conjure dragons to explain as dark magic the forces of reality which are making their virtue posturing nonsense sound ever more shrill. That's what happens when one accepts post-modernist frameworks to explain cognitive dissonance. Repressive tolerance becomes not a conscious act (of plain old intolerance), but a reflexive worldview of attacking anything one perceives to their right, no matter how obviously it comports with reality, while coddling anything on the left no matter how irritably intolerant it manifests itself. When societal elites become this hostile to anyone and anything outside their worldview, societies tend to reorder themselves. Ergo our current dilemma.

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I've tried to help my tribal left-wing friends understand this point. Every political group has their kooky extremists and crazy-paranoid nutjobs. The difference is on the right these are 100 people on some weird web site somewhere ... on the left they're on TV, in the media, and teaching college.

A fallacy of middle ground would go something like this. One person claims the sky is bright. Another person claims the sky is dark. I conclude the sky is gray. The fallacy involved here is false dichotomy. I'm telling you there's a day sky and a night sky. You're telling me sunny skies don't exist (because look at all that dark)! You accuse the left of doing the same thing, which of course they often do and which shouldn't be surprising. Everyone tends to see threats from the other side more clearly. I won't comment on the fact that the rest of your argument is mostly ad hominem (against blue bloods, academics, et al.). It should go without saying, and there are more interesting points to focus on.

So it doesn't seem that your real grievance is about logic or lack of "balance." In fact I've yet to see you respond to a balanced opinion without declaring it an example of repressive tolerance, woke projection, or some such evil. Your real grievance seems to be that the left dominates our media and cultural institutions. A lamentable state of affairs, to be sure. It also has one implication that you and Harrison are missing. You complain that the radical left has an outsized voice in our discourse. You forget that, by the same token, the radical right is under-represented. But you can't have it both ways. You can't claim the Bolsheviks are in control of the media and then claim the Nazis don't exist (or they're "100 people on some weird website") just because they don't have a show on prime time.

Your take on the WAPO article is also paradoxical because of its singular focus on power rather than truth. This is a typical mode of analysis for you. There's no real attention to the facts or logic of Ms. Walter's case, whether good or bad. Instead you're preoccupied with who she is, what class of person she represents, and what the power relationship is between her tribe and yours. This focus is of course the defining characteristic of critical theory and all its intellectual progeny. In that sense you are every bit the post-modern.

Sam Lowry said:

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A fallacy of middle ground would go something like this. One person claims the sky is bright. Another person claims the sky is dark. I conclude the sky is gray. The fallacy involved here is false dichotomy. I'm telling you there's a day sky and a night sky. You're telling me sunny skies don't exist (because look at all that dark)! You accuse the left of doing the same thing, which of course they often do and which shouldn't be surprising. Everyone tends to see threats from the other side more clearly. I won't comment on the fact that the rest of your argument is mostly ad hominem (against blue bloods, academics, et al.). It should go without saying, and there are more interesting points to focus on.

So it doesn't seem that your real grievance is about logic or lack of "balance." In fact I've yet to see you respond to a balanced opinion without declaring it an example of repressive tolerance, woke projection, or some such evil. Your real grievance seems to be that the left dominates our media and cultural institutions. A lamentable state of affairs, to be sure. It also has one implication that you and Harrison are missing. You complain that the radical left has an outsized voice in our discourse. You forget that, by the same token, the radical right is under-represented. But you can't have it both ways. You can't claim the Bolsheviks are in control of the media and then claim the Nazis don't exist (or they're "100 people on some weird website") just because they don't have a show on prime time.

Your take on the WAPO article is also paradoxical because of its singular focus on power rather than truth. This is a typical mode of analysis for you. There's no real attention to the facts or logic of Ms. Walter's case, whether good or bad. Instead you're preoccupied with who she is, what class of person she represents, and what the power relationship is between her tribe and yours. This focus is of course the defining characteristic of critical theory and all its intellectual progeny. In that sense you are every bit the post-modern.

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actually, counselor, the defining feature of critical theories are race and gender identities. The Frankfurt School gave up class because it wasn't working, which was a bad idea because class is a real thing and the others are constructs. Indeed, the singular weakness of progressivism is that it's just a virtue posture which doesn't actually propose any meaningful solutions to any real problems (some of which were on that list you posted a while back.) Progressives studiously ignore all the things human beings actually DO have in common - the need for shelter, food, clothing, companionship, the means for achieving the aforementioned and a desire for a better life for themselves and their families - in favor of artificial, immutable constructs which prohibit common cause. That is what has cause the center to fail, not any dynamic latent or patent on the right.

Your middle ground fallacy was in juxtaposing the space laser person, who is clearly outside any conceivable notion of mainstream, with the 16 genders crowd, who now own major institutions to include teachers unions (link) and the DOJ. You are hardly alone in having a predilection for that fallacy. Indeed, such is the reflexive error of GOP moderates, who cannot shake the presumption that they must cede all social issue to the left because culture wars cannot be won by the right. Ergo, we have progressives not just owning most culture forming institutions, but purging them of all who lack enthusiasm for the cause.
https://www.christianpost.com/voices/preferred-pronouns-what-i-saw-at-teachers-union-convention.html

Patton read Rommel's book and used ideas in battle to defeat Nazis. That did not make him a Nazi. Understanding and describing how critical theories have achieved hegemony, for the purpose of fighting back, does not make one a progressive. Neither does using any number of Alinsky's Rules against the left, most particularly #4 but also #5-8 and #10, make one a commie community organizer. It means you intend to make the other guy play by his own rules (or beat him at his own), and will have the resolve to keep coming until you win to restore the Founders' Vision of self-government rather than the mob rule being proposed by the left.

Don't get me wrong. I wish I didn't have to play like this all, but I can see clearly I no longer have a partner in social contract and I'm not going to run off to Hungary & pout or change my vocabulary. I'm going to poke back. And I'll poke back harder on those of my own side who should know better than to be doing what they're doing. The progressives are not going to win this one. Post-modernism has hit the brick wall of reality and all the center-righties who insisted we had to go along with the nonsense are going to look pretty damned foolish when we look back upon this era, none moreso than the neverTrumpers.

whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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A fallacy of middle ground would go something like this. One person claims the sky is bright. Another person claims the sky is dark. I conclude the sky is gray. The fallacy involved here is false dichotomy. I'm telling you there's a day sky and a night sky. You're telling me sunny skies don't exist (because look at all that dark)! You accuse the left of doing the same thing, which of course they often do and which shouldn't be surprising. Everyone tends to see threats from the other side more clearly. I won't comment on the fact that the rest of your argument is mostly ad hominem (against blue bloods, academics, et al.). It should go without saying, and there are more interesting points to focus on.

So it doesn't seem that your real grievance is about logic or lack of "balance." In fact I've yet to see you respond to a balanced opinion without declaring it an example of repressive tolerance, woke projection, or some such evil. Your real grievance seems to be that the left dominates our media and cultural institutions. A lamentable state of affairs, to be sure. It also has one implication that you and Harrison are missing. You complain that the radical left has an outsized voice in our discourse. You forget that, by the same token, the radical right is under-represented. But you can't have it both ways. You can't claim the Bolsheviks are in control of the media and then claim the Nazis don't exist (or they're "100 people on some weird website") just because they don't have a show on prime time.

Your take on the WAPO article is also paradoxical because of its singular focus on power rather than truth. This is a typical mode of analysis for you. There's no real attention to the facts or logic of Ms. Walter's case, whether good or bad. Instead you're preoccupied with who she is, what class of person she represents, and what the power relationship is between her tribe and yours. This focus is of course the defining characteristic of critical theory and all its intellectual progeny. In that sense you are every bit the post-modern.

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actually, counselor, the defining feature of critical theories are race and gender identities. The Frankfurt School gave up class because it wasn't working, which was a bad idea because class is a real thing and the others are constructs. Indeed, the singular weakness of progressivism is that it's just a virtue posture which doesn't actually propose any meaningful solutions to any real problems (some of which were on that list you posted a while back.) Progressives studiously ignore all the things human beings actually DO have in common - the need for shelter, food, clothing, companionship, the means for achieving the aforementioned and a desire for a better life for themselves and their families - in favor of artificial, immutable constructs which prohibit common cause. That is what has cause the center to fail, not any dynamic latent or patent on the right.

Your middle ground fallacy was in juxtaposing the space laser person, who is clearly outside any conceivable notion of mainstream, with the 16 genders crowd, who now own major institutions to include teachers unions (link) and the DOJ. You are hardly alone in having a predilection for that fallacy. Indeed, such is the reflexive error of GOP moderates, who cannot shake the presumption that they must cede all social issue to the left because culture wars cannot be won by the right. Ergo, we have progressives not just owning most culture forming institutions, but purging them of all who lack enthusiasm for the cause.
https://www.christianpost.com/voices/preferred-pronouns-what-i-saw-at-teachers-union-convention.html

Patton read Rommel's book and used ideas in battle to defeat Nazis. That did not make him a Nazi. Understanding and describing how critical theories have achieved hegemony, for the purpose of fighting back, does not make one a progressive. Neither does using any number of Alinsky's Rules against the left, most particularly #4 but also #5-8 and #10, make one a commie community organizer. It means you intend to make the other guy play by his own rules (or beat him at his own), and will have the resolve to keep coming until you win to restore the Founders' Vision of self-government rather than the mob rule being proposed by the left.

Don't get me wrong. I wish I didn't have to play like this all, but I can see clearly I no longer have a partner in social contract and I'm not going to run off to Hungary & pout or change my vocabulary. I'm going to poke back. And I'll poke back harder on those of my own side who should know better than to be doing what they're doing. The progressives are not going to win this one. Post-modernism has hit the brick wall of reality and all the center-righties who insisted we had to go along with the nonsense are going to look pretty damned foolish when we look back upon this era, none moreso than the neverTrumpers.

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There are inklings of gender theory, for example in Adorno and Marcuse, but the Frankfurt School itself wasn't overly concerned with gender, much less race. The essence of critical theory as defined by Horkheimer is that it's practical and normative rather than "explanatory" in the traditional sense. It's about changing society (i.e. exercising power) rather than explaining it based on observation and reason. It has co-opted or tried to co-opt various identity groups for that purpose. Which one is trending at the moment hardly matters.

The problem with your strategy is that it doesn't restore the Founders' vision of self-government. The Founders based a government on rational, consistent laws and good faith political discourse in the hope that reason would prevail. You and the Marxists reject those principles because they stand in the way of power. No, it doesn't make you a commie community organizer. You're more like the Germans of the early last century who were so afraid of communists that they made a deal with the devil. Progressives are certainly in conflict with reality, but reality has nothing to do with QAnon or the Oath Keepers. The right deals in political rather than cultural power, and the radical right is gaining power in the GOP whether you want to admit it or not.

It's true that social issues need not and should not be conceded to the left. Your error is to assume that respect for political institutions, traditions, civility, and the rule of law are somehow a form of surrender. The opposite is true. It's your urge to burn down the opposition and violate every norm that is the surest sign of despair. I don't share it. I'll stick with the Founders' vision.

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A fallacy of middle ground would go something like this. One person claims the sky is bright. Another person claims the sky is dark. I conclude the sky is gray. The fallacy involved here is false dichotomy. I'm telling you there's a day sky and a night sky. You're telling me sunny skies don't exist (because look at all that dark)! You accuse the left of doing the same thing, which of course they often do and which shouldn't be surprising. Everyone tends to see threats from the other side more clearly. I won't comment on the fact that the rest of your argument is mostly ad hominem (against blue bloods, academics, et al.). It should go without saying, and there are more interesting points to focus on.

So it doesn't seem that your real grievance is about logic or lack of "balance." In fact I've yet to see you respond to a balanced opinion without declaring it an example of repressive tolerance, woke projection, or some such evil. Your real grievance seems to be that the left dominates our media and cultural institutions. A lamentable state of affairs, to be sure. It also has one implication that you and Harrison are missing. You complain that the radical left has an outsized voice in our discourse. You forget that, by the same token, the radical right is under-represented. But you can't have it both ways. You can't claim the Bolsheviks are in control of the media and then claim the Nazis don't exist (or they're "100 people on some weird website") just because they don't have a show on prime time.

Your take on the WAPO article is also paradoxical because of its singular focus on power rather than truth. This is a typical mode of analysis for you. There's no real attention to the facts or logic of Ms. Walter's case, whether good or bad. Instead you're preoccupied with who she is, what class of person she represents, and what the power relationship is between her tribe and yours. This focus is of course the defining characteristic of critical theory and all its intellectual progeny. In that sense you are every bit the post-modern.

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actually, counselor, the defining feature of critical theories are race and gender identities. The Frankfurt School gave up class because it wasn't working, which was a bad idea because class is a real thing and the others are constructs. Indeed, the singular weakness of progressivism is that it's just a virtue posture which doesn't actually propose any meaningful solutions to any real problems (some of which were on that list you posted a while back.) Progressives studiously ignore all the things human beings actually DO have in common - the need for shelter, food, clothing, companionship, the means for achieving the aforementioned and a desire for a better life for themselves and their families - in favor of artificial, immutable constructs which prohibit common cause. That is what has cause the center to fail, not any dynamic latent or patent on the right.

Your middle ground fallacy was in juxtaposing the space laser person, who is clearly outside any conceivable notion of mainstream, with the 16 genders crowd, who now own major institutions to include teachers unions (link) and the DOJ. You are hardly alone in having a predilection for that fallacy. Indeed, such is the reflexive error of GOP moderates, who cannot shake the presumption that they must cede all social issue to the left because culture wars cannot be won by the right. Ergo, we have progressives not just owning most culture forming institutions, but purging them of all who lack enthusiasm for the cause.
https://www.christianpost.com/voices/preferred-pronouns-what-i-saw-at-teachers-union-convention.html

Patton read Rommel's book and used ideas in battle to defeat Nazis. That did not make him a Nazi. Understanding and describing how critical theories have achieved hegemony, for the purpose of fighting back, does not make one a progressive. Neither does using any number of Alinsky's Rules against the left, most particularly #4 but also #5-8 and #10, make one a commie community organizer. It means you intend to make the other guy play by his own rules (or beat him at his own), and will have the resolve to keep coming until you win to restore the Founders' Vision of self-government rather than the mob rule being proposed by the left.

Don't get me wrong. I wish I didn't have to play like this all, but I can see clearly I no longer have a partner in social contract and I'm not going to run off to Hungary & pout or change my vocabulary. I'm going to poke back. And I'll poke back harder on those of my own side who should know better than to be doing what they're doing. The progressives are not going to win this one. Post-modernism has hit the brick wall of reality and all the center-righties who insisted we had to go along with the nonsense are going to look pretty damned foolish when we look back upon this era, none moreso than the neverTrumpers.

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There are inklings of gender theory, for example in Adorno and Marcuse, but the Frankfurt School itself wasn't overly concerned with gender, much less race. The essence of critical theory as defined by Horkheimer is that it's practical and normative rather than "explanatory" in the traditional sense. It's about changing society (i.e. exercising power) rather than explaining it based on observation and reason. It has co-opted or tried to co-opt various identity groups for that purpose. Which one is trending at the moment hardly matters.

The problem with your strategy is that it doesn't restore the Founders' vision of self-government. The Founders based a government on rational, consistent laws and good faith political discourse in the hope that reason would prevail. You and the Marxists reject those principles because they stand in the way of power. No, it doesn't make you a commie community organizer. You're more like the Germans of the early last century who were so afraid of communists that they made a deal with the devil. Progressives are certainly in conflict with reality, but reality has nothing to do with QAnon or the Oath Keepers. The right deals in political rather than cultural power, and the radical right is gaining power in the GOP whether you want to admit it or not.

It's true that social issues need not and should not be conceded to the left. Your error is to assume that respect for political institutions, traditions, civility, and the rule of law are somehow a form of surrender. The opposite is true. It's your urge to burn down the opposition and violate every norm that is the surest sign of despair. I don't share it. I'll stick with the Founders' vision.

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Iron Law of Woke Projection there in bold, Chancellor Hindenberg, conjuring QA and oathkeeprs as material influences so dangerous as to require coalition with irritable radicals who now own the Democrat party to corrupt constitutional order to conduct political purges (J6 cmee). What you have in common with the intolerant forces you are allied with is post-modern worldview that all threats to liberty lie on the right.

Political institutions must serve a purpose. When they are seized to push purely partisan agendas, as has happened in academia, higher education, all forms of media, etc.....they destroy their legitimacy. QA and Oathkeepers are not destroying public schools. Progressives pushing queer theory on 3rd graders are doing that. QA and Oathkeepers are not causing the marginalization of legacy media nor driving the popularity of Tucker Carlson or Joe Rogan. Cancel culture from the left is doing that..... Over and over and over again we see the very people virtue posturing as centrists supporting the dynamics that are destroying the center.

You are cheerleading a Reichstag Fire hoax playing out in Washington, in order to posture as a defender of democracy from dozens and dozens of people not terribly well connected to reality.

I hope you know how to make cream gravy. You'll need it to make the ashes go down easier.