Top conservatives (real ones) investigated 2020 election and concluded that Trump los

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J.B.Katz
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Here's the link to their report:
https://lostnotstolen.org//wp-content/uploads/2022/07/Lost-Not-Stolen-The-Conservative-Case-that-Trump-Lost-and-Biden-Won-the-2020-Presidential-Election-July-2022.pdf

And here's the text from the title page with the study's authors:

LOST, NOT STOLEN: The Conservative Case that Trump Lost and Biden Won the 2020 Presidential Election

Senator John Danforth
Benjamin Ginsberg
The Honorable Thomas B. Griffith
David Hoppe
Rhe Honorable J. Michael Luttig
The Honorable Michael W. McConnell
The Honorable Theodore B. Olson
Senator Gordon H. Smith


Doc Holliday
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Real neocons
Redbrickbear
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J.B.Katz said:

Here's the link to their report:
https://lostnotstolen.org//wp-content/uploads/2022/07/Lost-Not-Stolen-The-Conservative-Case-that-Trump-Lost-and-Biden-Won-the-2020-Presidential-Election-July-2022.pdf

And here's the text from the title page with the study's authors:

LOST, NOT STOLEN: The Conservative Case that Trump Lost and Biden Won the 2020 Presidential Election

Senator John Danforth
Benjamin Ginsberg
The Honorable Thomas B. Griffith
David Hoppe
Rhe Honorable J. Michael Luttig
The Honorable Michael W. McConnell
The Honorable Theodore B. Olson
Senator Gordon H. Smith



I am totally willing to entertain the idea that the election was not stolen but lost.

But lets be rational...this list is made up of establishment Bush-Romney type Republicans....not Conservatives.

They are consistently pro-Big Business, pro-Mass immigration, and pro-International war.

They are the kind of Republicans who worked day and night to prevent Trump from being elected...and collaborated with liberals and democrats for 4 years to bring down Trump's Presidency...they are far from "principled Conservatives".
J.B.Katz
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How many of you MAGAts have contributed to Peter Navarro's defense fund?

So he doesn't have to honor a congressional subpeona.

Whiskey Pete
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J.B.Katz said:

How many of you MAGAts have contributed to Peter Navarro's defense fund?

So he doesn't have to honor a congressional subpeona.


I don't give money to politicians. Period.
4th and Inches
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J.B.Katz said:

How many of you MAGAts have contributed to Peter Navarro's defense fund?

So he doesn't have to honor a congressional subpeona.


i sent him all the money i was gonna give to Joe Biden for bicycle lessons.. hope it helps!
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4th and Inches
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Rawhide said:

J.B.Katz said:

How many of you MAGAts have contributed to Peter Navarro's defense fund?

So he doesn't have to honor a congressional subpeona.


I don't give money to politicians. Period.
only sheeple give money to TV preachers and politicians
“The Internet is just a world passing around notes in a classroom.”

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Forest Bueller_bf
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Rawhide said:

J.B.Katz said:

How many of you MAGAts have contributed to Peter Navarro's defense fund?

So he doesn't have to honor a congressional subpeona.


I don't give money to politicians. Period.
Amen.

The only thing I will ever give a politician is a vote.
Osodecentx
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4th and Inches said:

Rawhide said:

J.B.Katz said:

How many of you MAGAts have contributed to Peter Navarro's defense fund?

So he doesn't have to honor a congressional subpeona.


I don't give money to politicians. Period.
only sheeple give money to TV preachers and politicians
Agree on TV preachers.

Disagree on politicians. You need to support good candidates that reflect your values.
I sent money to Cheney
Harrison Bergeron
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Can we get the list of Democrats that will disavow the Big Lie about Russian hackers stealing the 2016 election?
ATL Bear
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4th and Inches said:

Rawhide said:

J.B.Katz said:

How many of you MAGAts have contributed to Peter Navarro's defense fund?

So he doesn't have to honor a congressional subpeona.


I don't give money to politicians. Period.
only sheeple give money to TV preachers and politicians
Guess I'm a sheeple. But trust me we're all sheeple in that case as money sent to practically any cause is partly spent on lobbying and political contributions. For example NRA membership.
4th and Inches
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ATL Bear said:

4th and Inches said:

Rawhide said:

J.B.Katz said:

How many of you MAGAts have contributed to Peter Navarro's defense fund?

So he doesn't have to honor a congressional subpeona.


I don't give money to politicians. Period.
only sheeple give money to TV preachers and politicians
Guess I'm a sheeple. But trust me we're all sheeple in that case as money sent to practically any cause is partly spent on lobbying and political contributions. For example NRA membership.
i am not a member of that either..
“The Internet is just a world passing around notes in a classroom.”

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Whiskey Pete
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Osodecentx said:

4th and Inches said:

Rawhide said:

J.B.Katz said:

How many of you MAGAts have contributed to Peter Navarro's defense fund?

So he doesn't have to honor a congressional subpeona.


I don't give money to politicians. Period.
only sheeple give money to TV preachers and politicians
Agree on TV preachers.

Disagree on politicians. You need to support good candidates that reflect your values.
I sent money to Cheney
I can support a good candidate by giving them my vote.
Osodecentx
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Rawhide said:

Osodecentx said:

4th and Inches said:

Rawhide said:

J.B.Katz said:

How many of you MAGAts have contributed to Peter Navarro's defense fund?

So he doesn't have to honor a congressional subpeona.


I don't give money to politicians. Period.
only sheeple give money to TV preachers and politicians
Agree on TV preachers.

Disagree on politicians. You need to support good candidates that reflect your values.
I sent money to Cheney
I can support a good candidate by giving them my vote.


Certainly that is true
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Harrison Bergeron said:

Can we get the list of Democrats that will disavow the Big Lie about Russian hackers stealing the 2016 election?
You missed the memo.

Only republicans have to retract statements when they are wrong about something.

Dems use abject falsehood to simply build even more momentum.
whiterock
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Rawhide said:

Osodecentx said:

4th and Inches said:

Rawhide said:

J.B.Katz said:

How many of you MAGAts have contributed to Peter Navarro's defense fund?

So he doesn't have to honor a congressional subpeona.


I don't give money to politicians. Period.
only sheeple give money to TV preachers and politicians
Agree on TV preachers.

Disagree on politicians. You need to support good candidates that reflect your values.
I sent money to Cheney
I can support a good candidate by giving them my vote.
I have a cousin who simultaneously uses the word "Republicans" in third person while getting irate when the GOP loses an election or when his GOP representatives fail to vote for or stop some legislation he doesn't like. Won't donate any money or go get involved in the local party. Just self-entitlement - as though he's owed a solution he wants by a party and politicians he refuses to support with anything other than a vote. Will call me in a panic that Beto might win. But actually send $100 bucks to help Abbot win? Why, only chumps do that.

If you aren't donating, you aren't really participating in elections. Phil Gramm had a great little riff on that one and he's right. It doesn't matter how good your platform is, if nobody knows about it. It doesn't matter how good your candidate might be, if nobody knows his/her name. My cousin knows he can't sell if he doesn't advertise and call on customers and direct mail and conventions and.......all of which costs money. But political campaigns? Why they're supposed to just spring organically from the ground and bear fruit without a drop of rain. And when such doesn't happen...."there go those Republicans again, letting me down."

A candidate is worth your vote, but you don't donate $20 to him/her?
You're not exactly putting much value into your vote.
Mothra
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Redbrickbear said:

J.B.Katz said:

Here's the link to their report:
https://lostnotstolen.org//wp-content/uploads/2022/07/Lost-Not-Stolen-The-Conservative-Case-that-Trump-Lost-and-Biden-Won-the-2020-Presidential-Election-July-2022.pdf

And here's the text from the title page with the study's authors:

LOST, NOT STOLEN: The Conservative Case that Trump Lost and Biden Won the 2020 Presidential Election

Senator John Danforth
Benjamin Ginsberg
The Honorable Thomas B. Griffith
David Hoppe
Rhe Honorable J. Michael Luttig
The Honorable Michael W. McConnell
The Honorable Theodore B. Olson
Senator Gordon H. Smith



I am totally willing to entertain the idea that the election was not stolen but lost.

But lets be rational...this list is made up of establishment Bush-Romney type Republicans....not Conservatives.

They are consistently pro-Big Business, pro-Mass immigration, and pro-International war.

They are the kind of Republicans who worked day and night to prevent Trump from being elected...and collaborated with liberals and democrats for 4 years to bring down Trump's Presidency...they are far from "principled Conservatives".


Remember the litmus test for "principled" is whether old jinxy agrees with them.
Mothra
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Osodecentx said:

4th and Inches said:

Rawhide said:

J.B.Katz said:

How many of you MAGAts have contributed to Peter Navarro's defense fund?

So he doesn't have to honor a congressional subpeona.


I don't give money to politicians. Period.
only sheeple give money to TV preachers and politicians
Agree on TV preachers.

Disagree on politicians. You need to support good candidates that reflect your values.
I sent money to Cheney


Given that the polls indicated she's about to be soundly defeated, I'm not sure that's money well spent.
Whiskey Pete
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whiterock said:

Rawhide said:

Osodecentx said:

4th and Inches said:

Rawhide said:

J.B.Katz said:

How many of you MAGAts have contributed to Peter Navarro's defense fund?

So he doesn't have to honor a congressional subpeona.


I don't give money to politicians. Period.
only sheeple give money to TV preachers and politicians
Agree on TV preachers.

Disagree on politicians. You need to support good candidates that reflect your values.
I sent money to Cheney
I can support a good candidate by giving them my vote.
I have a cousin who simultaneously uses the word "Republicans" in third person while getting irate when the GOP loses an election or when his GOP representatives fail to vote for or stop some legislation he doesn't like. Won't donate any money or go get involved in the local party. Just self-entitlement - as though he's owed a solution he wants by a party and politicians he refuses to support with anything other than a vote. Will call me in a panic that Beto might win. But actually send $100 bucks to help Abbot win? Why, only chumps do that.

If you aren't donating, you aren't really participating in elections. Phil Gramm had a great little riff on that one and he's right. It doesn't matter how good your platform is, if nobody knows about it. It doesn't matter how good your candidate might be, if nobody knows his/her name. My cousin knows he can't sell if he doesn't advertise and call on customers and direct mail and conventions and.......all of which costs money. But political campaigns? Why they're supposed to just spring organically from the ground and bear fruit without a drop of rain. And when such doesn't happen...."there go those Republicans again, letting me down."

A candidate is worth your vote, but you don't donate $20 to him/her?
You're not exactly putting much value into your vote.

Sorry you don't feel voting is worth more than donating.
Osodecentx
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Mothra said:

Osodecentx said:

4th and Inches said:

Rawhide said:

J.B.Katz said:

How many of you MAGAts have contributed to Peter Navarro's defense fund?

So he doesn't have to honor a congressional subpeona.


I don't give money to politicians. Period.
only sheeple give money to TV preachers and politicians
Agree on TV preachers.

Disagree on politicians. You need to support good candidates that reflect your values.
I sent money to Cheney


Given that the polls indicated she's about to be soundly defeated, I'm not sure that's money well spent.
She will probably lose, but she deserves support and it is money well spent
4th and Inches
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Mothra said:

Osodecentx said:

4th and Inches said:

Rawhide said:

J.B.Katz said:

How many of you MAGAts have contributed to Peter Navarro's defense fund?

So he doesn't have to honor a congressional subpeona.


I don't give money to politicians. Period.
only sheeple give money to TV preachers and politicians
Agree on TV preachers.

Disagree on politicians. You need to support good candidates that reflect your values.
I sent money to Cheney


Given that the polls indicated she's about to be soundly defeated, I'm not sure that's money well spent.
maybe it helped- she is only like 30 down vs the predicted 40
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HuMcK
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Mothra said:

Osodecentx said:

4th and Inches said:

Rawhide said:

J.B.Katz said:

How many of you MAGAts have contributed to Peter Navarro's defense fund?

So he doesn't have to honor a congressional subpeona.


I don't give money to politicians. Period.
only sheeple give money to TV preachers and politicians
Agree on TV preachers.

Disagree on politicians. You need to support good candidates that reflect your values.
I sent money to Cheney


Given that the polls indicated she's about to be soundly defeated, I'm not sure that's money well spent.

A perfect illustration that the current GOP "principles" you supposedly adhere to are quite malleable. Cheney is as conservative as is gets, but her political career is in jeopardy because she refused to bow down to one man's self serving delusions. She prioritized the country's well being over Trump's desires on one very narrow issue, and that is wholly unacceptable to the Republican base.
J.R.
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Osodecentx said:

4th and Inches said:

Rawhide said:

J.B.Katz said:

How many of you MAGAts have contributed to Peter Navarro's defense fund?

So he doesn't have to honor a congressional subpeona.


I don't give money to politicians. Period.
only sheeple give money to TV preachers and politicians
Agree on TV preachers.

Disagree on politicians. You need to support good candidates that reflect your values.
I sent money to Cheney
Me too
BearN
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whiterock said:

Rawhide said:

Osodecentx said:

4th and Inches said:

Rawhide said:

J.B.Katz said:

How many of you MAGAts have contributed to Peter Navarro's defense fund?

So he doesn't have to honor a congressional subpeona.


I don't give money to politicians. Period.
only sheeple give money to TV preachers and politicians
Agree on TV preachers.

Disagree on politicians. You need to support good candidates that reflect your values.
I sent money to Cheney
I can support a good candidate by giving them my vote.
I have a cousin who simultaneously uses the word "Republicans" in third person while getting irate when the GOP loses an election or when his GOP representatives fail to vote for or stop some legislation he doesn't like. Won't donate any money or go get involved in the local party. Just self-entitlement - as though he's owed a solution he wants by a party and politicians he refuses to support with anything other than a vote. Will call me in a panic that Beto might win. But actually send $100 bucks to help Abbot win? Why, only chumps do that.

If you aren't donating, you aren't really participating in elections. Phil Gramm had a great little riff on that one and he's right. It doesn't matter how good your platform is, if nobody knows about it. It doesn't matter how good your candidate might be, if nobody knows his/her name. My cousin knows he can't sell if he doesn't advertise and call on customers and direct mail and conventions and.......all of which costs money. But political campaigns? Why they're supposed to just spring organically from the ground and bear fruit without a drop of rain. And when such doesn't happen...."there go those Republicans again, letting me down."

A candidate is worth your vote, but you don't donate $20 to him/her?
You're not exactly putting much value into your vote.



The problem isn't giving the $20, $100, or $1,000. If you give a nickel, those mother****ers will sell your name to all the other ones and the robocalls and junk mail come like a nonstop avalanche
Mothra
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HuMcK said:

Mothra said:

Osodecentx said:

4th and Inches said:

Rawhide said:

J.B.Katz said:

How many of you MAGAts have contributed to Peter Navarro's defense fund?

So he doesn't have to honor a congressional subpeona.


I don't give money to politicians. Period.
only sheeple give money to TV preachers and politicians
Agree on TV preachers.

Disagree on politicians. You need to support good candidates that reflect your values.
I sent money to Cheney


Given that the polls indicated she's about to be soundly defeated, I'm not sure that's money well spent.

A perfect illustration that the current GOP "principles" you supposedly adhere to are quite malleable. Cheney is as conservative as is gets, but her political career is in jeopardy because she refused to bow down to one man's self serving delusions. She prioritized the country's well being over Trump's desires on one very narrow issue, and that is wholly unacceptable to the Republican base.


While it's no surprise that a liberal such as yourself likes her, the truth is Cheney is a neocon like her father. She comes from a long line of blue blood conservatives and interventionists who hated trump. There hasn't been a war she hasn't liked or supported throughout her career. That was not generally thought of as a conservative principle prior to the election or Bush. But I guess now that means she's "principled."

I don't disagree much with her stance on trump. He's a pretty despicable guy. But I do disagree with her willingness to be used by the left to get democrats elected at the midterms, which is in truth what the Jan 6th hearings are all about.

And that is of course why a partisan lefty wingnut such as yourself supports her. It's not as if you guys can run on your ****ty record.

4th and Inches
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HuMcK said:

Mothra said:

Osodecentx said:

4th and Inches said:

Rawhide said:

J.B.Katz said:

How many of you MAGAts have contributed to Peter Navarro's defense fund?

So he doesn't have to honor a congressional subpeona.


I don't give money to politicians. Period.
only sheeple give money to TV preachers and politicians
Agree on TV preachers.

Disagree on politicians. You need to support good candidates that reflect your values.
I sent money to Cheney


Given that the polls indicated she's about to be soundly defeated, I'm not sure that's money well spent.

A perfect illustration that the current GOP "principles" you supposedly adhere to are quite malleable. Cheney is as conservative as is gets, but her political career is in jeopardy because she refused to bow down to one man's self serving delusions. She prioritized the country's well being over Trump's desires on one very narrow issue, and that is wholly unacceptable to the Republican base.
her political carreer is in jepordy because she cant get people to understand why here way is better than the orange man. Peoples lives were better under trump and they see her as an obstacle in the way of getting Trump policies back.

In the current realm of politics, feelings are important and right now people are longing for the economics that they enjoyed during the Trump administration.

She should've been more engaged with her voters in her district
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Osodecentx
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J.R. said:

Osodecentx said:

4th and Inches said:

Rawhide said:

J.B.Katz said:

How many of you MAGAts have contributed to Peter Navarro's defense fund?

So he doesn't have to honor a congressional subpeona.


I don't give money to politicians. Period.
only sheeple give money to TV preachers and politicians
Agree on TV preachers.

Disagree on politicians. You need to support good candidates that reflect your values.
I sent money to Cheney
Me too
The Few, the Proud
4th and Inches
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Live look at you Cheney donations..
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Mothra
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Osodecentx said:

Mothra said:

Osodecentx said:

4th and Inches said:

Rawhide said:

J.B.Katz said:

How many of you MAGAts have contributed to Peter Navarro's defense fund?

So he doesn't have to honor a congressional subpeona.


I don't give money to politicians. Period.
only sheeple give money to TV preachers and politicians
Agree on TV preachers.

Disagree on politicians. You need to support good candidates that reflect your values.
I sent money to Cheney


Given that the polls indicated she's about to be soundly defeated, I'm not sure that's money well spent.
She will probably lose, but she deserves support and it is money well spent


I guess if you like war mongers.
Osodecentx
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Mothra said:

Osodecentx said:

Mothra said:

Osodecentx said:

4th and Inches said:

Rawhide said:

J.B.Katz said:

How many of you MAGAts have contributed to Peter Navarro's defense fund?

So he doesn't have to honor a congressional subpeona.


I don't give money to politicians. Period.
only sheeple give money to TV preachers and politicians
Agree on TV preachers.

Disagree on politicians. You need to support good candidates that reflect your values.
I sent money to Cheney


Given that the polls indicated she's about to be soundly defeated, I'm not sure that's money well spent.
She will probably lose, but she deserves support and it is money well spent


I guess if you like war mongers.
What was her position on the Iraq war? Or is this just a blood libel sort of thing?
Mothra
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Osodecentx said:

Mothra said:

Osodecentx said:

Mothra said:

Osodecentx said:

4th and Inches said:

Rawhide said:

J.B.Katz said:

How many of you MAGAts have contributed to Peter Navarro's defense fund?

So he doesn't have to honor a congressional subpeona.


I don't give money to politicians. Period.
only sheeple give money to TV preachers and politicians
Agree on TV preachers.

Disagree on politicians. You need to support good candidates that reflect your values.
I sent money to Cheney


Given that the polls indicated she's about to be soundly defeated, I'm not sure that's money well spent.
She will probably lose, but she deserves support and it is money well spent


I guess if you like war mongers.
What was her position on the Iraq war? Or is this just a blood libel sort of thing?


Strongly supported it, and has defended the decision on numerous occasions. You ought to Google her defenses of her father. It's pretty eye-opening.
Osodecentx
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4th and Inches said:

Live look at you Cheney donations..

I just wanted you to know whose side I'm on
Osodecentx
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Mothra said:

Osodecentx said:

Mothra said:

Osodecentx said:

Mothra said:

Osodecentx said:

4th and Inches said:

Rawhide said:

J.B.Katz said:

How many of you MAGAts have contributed to Peter Navarro's defense fund?

So he doesn't have to honor a congressional subpeona.


I don't give money to politicians. Period.
only sheeple give money to TV preachers and politicians
Agree on TV preachers.

Disagree on politicians. You need to support good candidates that reflect your values.
I sent money to Cheney


Given that the polls indicated she's about to be soundly defeated, I'm not sure that's money well spent.
She will probably lose, but she deserves support and it is money well spent


I guess if you like war mongers.
What was her position on the Iraq war? Or is this just a blood libel sort of thing?


Strongly supported it, and has defended the decision on numerous occasions. You ought to Google her defenses of her father. It's pretty eye-opening.
She didn't get elected until the mid-late 2010s
Mothra
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Osodecentx said:

Mothra said:

Osodecentx said:

Mothra said:

Osodecentx said:

Mothra said:

Osodecentx said:

4th and Inches said:

Rawhide said:

J.B.Katz said:

How many of you MAGAts have contributed to Peter Navarro's defense fund?

So he doesn't have to honor a congressional subpeona.


I don't give money to politicians. Period.
only sheeple give money to TV preachers and politicians
Agree on TV preachers.

Disagree on politicians. You need to support good candidates that reflect your values.
I sent money to Cheney


Given that the polls indicated she's about to be soundly defeated, I'm not sure that's money well spent.
She will probably lose, but she deserves support and it is money well spent


I guess if you like war mongers.
What was her position on the Iraq war? Or is this just a blood libel sort of thing?


Strongly supported it, and has defended the decision on numerous occasions. You ought to Google her defenses of her father. It's pretty eye-opening.
She didn't get elected until the mid-late 2010s


She was a public figure long before she was elected. Check out her stances.
4th and Inches
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Osodecentx said:

4th and Inches said:

Live look at you Cheney donations..

I just wanted you to know whose side I'm on
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