As reported in the Jerusalem Post.

Why is this book not appropriate reading for junior-high/high school-aged children?

How does this book promote "critical race theory"?

Or is it the negative depiction of Nazis?

https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/article-714895

Nice try at finding an article that furthers your attack on the right.

This book was not the ONLY one pulled.

In fact they pulled all books that had complaints on them so that the district can review them and the district policy on controversial policies. The complaint specifically against this book does not show if it came from a conservative parent, liberal parent, atheist, anarchist, communist, etc.

There were 41 total books on the list, including all versions of the Bible.

But you ignore that 40 other books got pulled and just focus on this one so you can claim that everyone on the right/all Republicans are Nazis.

https://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/education/article264574871.html

cowboycwr said:

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Nice try at finding an article that furthers your attack on the right.

This book was not the ONLY one pulled.

In fact they pulled all books that had complaints on them so that the district can review them and the district policy on controversial policies. The complaint specifically against this book does not show if it came from a conservative parent, liberal parent, atheist, anarchist, communist, etc.

There were 41 total books on the list, including all versions of the Bible.

But you ignore that 40 other books got pulled and just focus on this one so you can claim that everyone on the right/all Republicans are Nazis.

https://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/education/article264574871.html

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So your point is that instead of one book that's a well-known documentation of how Jews were treated by the Nazis before and during WWII, they removed 41 books? Including the Bible.

Bwahaha.

The Bible does have some graphic violence and salacious stories that include rape, masturbation, adultery and child sacrifice...and it was approved for a return to the shelves.

I still have fond memories of the time I was reading a children's book my first-grader brought home from Catholic school about the Children of Fatima and realized that, despite top-toe-y language, it was about children who engaged in self-flaggelation and other self-torture because they were instructed to do so by the Virgin Mary.

Know what I didn't do after realizing what I was reading? Rush to the school and tell them I thought they should remove this book from their library.

https://www.newmanministry.com/saints/our-lady-of-fatima#:~:text=The%20three%20children%20started%20penance,performed%20other%20works%20of%20penance.

On May 13, 1917, ten-year old Lucia Santos and her cousins Jacinta and Francisco Marto were herding sheep at a location known as the Cova da Iria near their home village of Fatima, Portugal. Lucia described seeing a woman "Brighter than the sun, shedding rays of light clearer and stronger than a crystal ball willed with the most sparkling water and pierced by the burning rays of the sun". She appeared again on the 13th day of the months of June and July. In these, the woman asked the children to do penance and "Acts of Reparation" as well as making personal sacrifices to save sinners. The three children started penance, wearing tight cords around their waists to cause themselves pain, performed self-flagellation using stinging nettles, abstained from drinking water on hot days, and performed other works of penance. The woman in the course of her appearances confided to the children three secrets, now known as the "Three Secrets of Fatima".

J.B.Katz said:

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cowboycwr said:

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Nice try at finding an article that furthers your attack on the right.

This book was not the ONLY one pulled.

In fact they pulled all books that had complaints on them so that the district can review them and the district policy on controversial policies. The complaint specifically against this book does not show if it came from a conservative parent, liberal parent, atheist, anarchist, communist, etc.

There were 41 total books on the list, including all versions of the Bible.

But you ignore that 40 other books got pulled and just focus on this one so you can claim that everyone on the right/all Republicans are Nazis.

https://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/education/article264574871.html

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So your point is that instead of one book that's a well-known documentation of how Jews were treated by the Nazis before and during WWII, they removed 41 books? Including the Bible.

Bwahaha.

The Bible does have some graphic violence and salacious stories that include rape, masturbation, adultery and child sacrifice...and it was approved for a return to the shelves.

I still have fond memories of the time I was reading a children's book my first-grader brought home from Catholic school about the Children of Fatima and realized that, despite top-toe-y language, it was about children who engaged in self-flaggelation and other self-torture because they were instructed to do so by the Virgin Mary.

Know what I didn't do after realizing what I was reading? Rush to the school and tell them I thought they should remove this book from their library.

https://www.newmanministry.com/saints/our-lady-of-fatima#:~:text=The%20three%20children%20started%20penance,performed%20other%20works%20of%20penance.

On May 13, 1917, ten-year old Lucia Santos and her cousins Jacinta and Francisco Marto were herding sheep at a location known as the Cova da Iria near their home village of Fatima, Portugal. Lucia described seeing a woman "Brighter than the sun, shedding rays of light clearer and stronger than a crystal ball willed with the most sparkling water and pierced by the burning rays of the sun". She appeared again on the 13th day of the months of June and July. In these, the woman asked the children to do penance and "Acts of Reparation" as well as making personal sacrifices to save sinners. The three children started penance, wearing tight cords around their waists to cause themselves pain, performed self-flagellation using stinging nettles, abstained from drinking water on hot days, and performed other works of penance. The woman in the course of her appearances confided to the children three secrets, now known as the "Three Secrets of Fatima".

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My point was (that you clearly missed) was that there was a whole list of books that had complaints on them. Complaints that cannot be traced to what type of parent made them. As in we don't know if it was a Christian parent, Muslim parent, Jewish parent, atheist parent, or if they are left or right on their voting history. All the books received complaints so the district pulled them all to review them, their district policies on approving books and then decide which ones to put back.

But you still ignore the point or even to acknowledge that you do not have all the facts and are just attacking the right, Christianity, etc. and doubling down when the facts are presented.

cowboycwr said:

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J.B.Katz said:

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cowboycwr said:

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Nice try at finding an article that furthers your attack on the right.

This book was not the ONLY one pulled.

In fact they pulled all books that had complaints on them so that the district can review them and the district policy on controversial policies. The complaint specifically against this book does not show if it came from a conservative parent, liberal parent, atheist, anarchist, communist, etc.

There were 41 total books on the list, including all versions of the Bible.

But you ignore that 40 other books got pulled and just focus on this one so you can claim that everyone on the right/all Republicans are Nazis.

https://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/education/article264574871.html

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So your point is that instead of one book that's a well-known documentation of how Jews were treated by the Nazis before and during WWII, they removed 41 books? Including the Bible.

Bwahaha.

The Bible does have some graphic violence and salacious stories that include rape, masturbation, adultery and child sacrifice...and it was approved for a return to the shelves.

I still have fond memories of the time I was reading a children's book my first-grader brought home from Catholic school about the Children of Fatima and realized that, despite top-toe-y language, it was about children who engaged in self-flaggelation and other self-torture because they were instructed to do so by the Virgin Mary.

Know what I didn't do after realizing what I was reading? Rush to the school and tell them I thought they should remove this book from their library.

https://www.newmanministry.com/saints/our-lady-of-fatima#:~:text=The%20three%20children%20started%20penance,performed%20other%20works%20of%20penance.

On May 13, 1917, ten-year old Lucia Santos and her cousins Jacinta and Francisco Marto were herding sheep at a location known as the Cova da Iria near their home village of Fatima, Portugal. Lucia described seeing a woman "Brighter than the sun, shedding rays of light clearer and stronger than a crystal ball willed with the most sparkling water and pierced by the burning rays of the sun". She appeared again on the 13th day of the months of June and July. In these, the woman asked the children to do penance and "Acts of Reparation" as well as making personal sacrifices to save sinners. The three children started penance, wearing tight cords around their waists to cause themselves pain, performed self-flagellation using stinging nettles, abstained from drinking water on hot days, and performed other works of penance. The woman in the course of her appearances confided to the children three secrets, now known as the "Three Secrets of Fatima".

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My point was (that you clearly missed) was that there was a whole list of books that had complaints on them. Complaints that cannot be traced to what type of parent made them. As in we don't know if it was a Christian parent, Muslim parent, Jewish parent, atheist parent, or if they are left or right on their voting history. All the books received complaints so the district pulled them all to review them, their district policies on approving books and then decide which ones to put back.

But you still ignore the point or even to acknowledge that you do not have all the facts and are just attacking the right, Christianity, etc. and doubling down when the facts are presented.

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I didn't miss your point.

I just didn't think it was valid.

A process that allows individual parents to selectively ID books they have objections to for whatever reason and have them pulled from library shelves pending some sort of review by some sort of ad hoc review board violates the First Amendment.

The Jerusalem Post is justifiably *****ly about removal of books about the Holocaust from school library shelves, given the fact that Holocaust deniers exist in high numbers in the US. THEY called the Keller School District out for removing that particular book, and rightly so.

This review process is silly and embarrassing, and the kids will be the losers.

J.B.Katz said:

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cowboycwr said:

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J.B.Katz said:

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cowboycwr said:

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Nice try at finding an article that furthers your attack on the right.

This book was not the ONLY one pulled.

In fact they pulled all books that had complaints on them so that the district can review them and the district policy on controversial policies. The complaint specifically against this book does not show if it came from a conservative parent, liberal parent, atheist, anarchist, communist, etc.

There were 41 total books on the list, including all versions of the Bible.

But you ignore that 40 other books got pulled and just focus on this one so you can claim that everyone on the right/all Republicans are Nazis.

https://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/education/article264574871.html

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So your point is that instead of one book that's a well-known documentation of how Jews were treated by the Nazis before and during WWII, they removed 41 books? Including the Bible.

Bwahaha.

The Bible does have some graphic violence and salacious stories that include rape, masturbation, adultery and child sacrifice...and it was approved for a return to the shelves.

I still have fond memories of the time I was reading a children's book my first-grader brought home from Catholic school about the Children of Fatima and realized that, despite top-toe-y language, it was about children who engaged in self-flaggelation and other self-torture because they were instructed to do so by the Virgin Mary.

Know what I didn't do after realizing what I was reading? Rush to the school and tell them I thought they should remove this book from their library.

https://www.newmanministry.com/saints/our-lady-of-fatima#:~:text=The%20three%20children%20started%20penance,performed%20other%20works%20of%20penance.

On May 13, 1917, ten-year old Lucia Santos and her cousins Jacinta and Francisco Marto were herding sheep at a location known as the Cova da Iria near their home village of Fatima, Portugal. Lucia described seeing a woman "Brighter than the sun, shedding rays of light clearer and stronger than a crystal ball willed with the most sparkling water and pierced by the burning rays of the sun". She appeared again on the 13th day of the months of June and July. In these, the woman asked the children to do penance and "Acts of Reparation" as well as making personal sacrifices to save sinners. The three children started penance, wearing tight cords around their waists to cause themselves pain, performed self-flagellation using stinging nettles, abstained from drinking water on hot days, and performed other works of penance. The woman in the course of her appearances confided to the children three secrets, now known as the "Three Secrets of Fatima".

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My point was (that you clearly missed) was that there was a whole list of books that had complaints on them. Complaints that cannot be traced to what type of parent made them. As in we don't know if it was a Christian parent, Muslim parent, Jewish parent, atheist parent, or if they are left or right on their voting history. All the books received complaints so the district pulled them all to review them, their district policies on approving books and then decide which ones to put back.

But you still ignore the point or even to acknowledge that you do not have all the facts and are just attacking the right, Christianity, etc. and doubling down when the facts are presented.

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I didn't miss your point.

I just didn't think it was valid.

A process that allows individual parents to selectively ID books they have objections to for whatever reason and have them pulled from library shelves pending some sort of review by some sort of ad hoc review board violates the First Amendment.

The Jerusalem Post is justifiably *****ly about removal of books about the Holocaust from school library shelves, given the fact that Holocaust deniers exist in high numbers in the US. THEY called the Keller School District out for removing that particular book, and rightly so.

This review process is silly and embarrassing, and the kids will be the losers.

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Yes you did and still are missing the point.

When parents object to a book it isn't automatically pulled. This year Keller decided to pull them all because of the large number of complaints so they could review the process of how books are approved/selected for the library.

That does not violate the First Amendment.

Holocaust deniers exist but not in high numbers, except for Iran.... one of your hero countries.

No they did not rightly call out the district because at this time the book is only temporarily pulled.

You are making an issue out of something minor at this point.

Putting aside the whole liberal/Christian/whatever red herring, it seems clear to me that a well-meaning policy is really ****ing dumb: If ANY person lodges a complaint about a book, the district pulls it from the shelves while figuring out what to do.

We ask our public schools to educate all children. We educate people to teach, and we invest in further training those people. The vast majority of us who had (or have) children in public schools give those people high marks for the jobs they do.

But the fad du jour is for politicians to attack curricula (and schools and the people who teach in them) on whatever basis, ignoring the fact that the people who do this stuff are trained to do just that. So we make a policy that ANY complaint, by ANYBODY, merits pulling ANY book while some group considers the complaint. We encourage yahoos to do this.

We need to stop the bull****. Tell the grandstanding politicians to **** off. Support the people teaching our children.

We all might learn something.

I'm going to revert to the policy of never arguing with Cowboy.

fubar said:

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Putting aside the whole liberal/Christian/whatever red herring, it seems clear to me that a well-meaning policy is really ****ing dumb: If ANY person lodges a complaint about a book, the district pulls it from the shelves while figuring out what to do.

We ask our public schools to educate all children. We educate people to teach, and we invest in further training those people. The vast majority of us who had (or have) children in public schools give those people high marks for the jobs they do.

But the fad du jour is for politicians to attack curricula (and schools and the people who teach in them) on whatever basis, ignoring the fact that the people who do this stuff are trained to do just that. So we make a policy that ANY complaint, by ANYBODY, merits pulling ANY book while some group considers the complaint. We encourage yahoos to do this.

We need to stop the bull****. Tell the grandstanding politicians to **** off. Support the people teaching our children.

We all might learn something.

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Are you saying publicly-elected politicians who are supposed to represent the people shouldn't have a say in what our kids are being taught in public schools, but unelected teachers, regardless of ideology, should have our full support and what they say goes? Just want to be clear about your point.

I don't disagree that this particular policy appears absurd, and that banning the Diary of Anne Frank is ridiculous, but anyone with school-aged children in public schools nowdays realizes that some things are in fact being read or taught that are inappropriate for children's ages or better left to parents. We have a perfect example of that down in Austin, where the Leander school district was allowing middle schoolers to read books with graphic depictions of sex.

fubar said:

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Putting aside the whole liberal/Christian/whatever red herring, it seems clear to me that a well-meaning policy is really ****ing dumb: If ANY person lodges a complaint about a book, the district pulls it from the shelves while figuring out what to do.

We ask our public schools to educate all children. We educate people to teach, and we invest in further training those people. The vast majority of us who had (or have) children in public schools give those people high marks for the jobs they do.

But the fad du jour is for politicians to attack curricula (and schools and the people who teach in them) on whatever basis, ignoring the fact that the people who do this stuff are trained to do just that. So we make a policy that ANY complaint, by ANYBODY, merits pulling ANY book while some group considers the complaint. We encourage yahoos to do this.

We need to stop the bull****. Tell the grandstanding politicians to **** off. Support the people teaching our children.

We all might learn something.

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But the thing is that their policy is NOT to just pull a book because a complaint was made. They did so THIS year because of so many that they wanted to review their policy.

This is a one time thing it appears. Not what they have done every time in the past or every time in the future.

J.B.Katz said:

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I'm going to revert to the policy of never arguing with Cowboy.

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The only problem is you aren't arguing. You are attacking the right while ignoring the facts presented to you, going off on some tangent about a book from your child's school years ago.

Parents should be able to say which books their student reads. Pulling the book out of the library should only be done on rare occasions. Most of us read the watered down version of D of AF in jr high. Its good. The original real diary has some sex talk like you might expect to find in a girls diary. I wouldnt want the full diary taught in jr high but i would allow the full version to be checked out by high school students. If a mother doesnt want her baby to read it she should tell him not to read it. One parent should not have the right to pull a book from others. It seems like common sense to me.

I once went to my daughters school and told the teacher i didnt think an assignment my daughter recieved was appropriate for 4th graders. I told her she could offer her an alternative assignment and gave her the packet i prepared or my daughter would just take a zero. It was handled at the classroom level and everything was good.

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Parents should be able to say which books their student reads. Pulling the book out of the library should only be done on rare occasions. Most of us read the watered down version of D of AF in jr high. Its good. The original real diary has some sex talk like you might expect to find in a girls diary. I wouldnt want the full diary taught in jr high but i would allow the full version to be checked out by high school students. If a mother doesnt want her baby to read it she should tell him not to read it. One parent should not have the right to pull a book from others. It seems like common sense to me.

I once went to my daughters school and told the teacher i didnt think an assignment my daughter recieved was appropriate for 4th graders. I told her she could offer her an alternative assignment and gave her the packet i prepared or my daughter would just take a zero. It was handled at the classroom level and everything was good.

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100%. And I generally agree with fubar's point as well. We had an issue in our local district where there was one particular librarian on her own woke quest but possibly some others, and my frame was pretty simple:

• School library books should not be offensive to 90% of the local constituents - there are always going to be 10% professional offendees, but content should be acceptable to 90% of the community; what's great about local control is this can vary from community to community
• Schools should generally stay away from promoting divisive topics; that does not mean controversial, age-appropriate books should not be in school libraries, but there is a difference between access and promotion
• There is also a subjective filter that should be applied based on how long a particular work has been a generally accepted part of school curriculum across the country and how that translates into literary merit

One of the problems is a lot of the crazies have taken it upon themselves to promote their particular wing-nut agendas and use generally poor, not widely accepted works to do so.

I cannot imagine who would object to Anne Frank, but I never understood the objection to Huckleberry Finn or Off Mice and Men or To Kill a Mockingbird. To make this some sort of liberal / conservative issue is typical of small-minded tribalism.

Maybe after almost 70 years there are other books to choose from ?


Been to her residence in Amsterdam . As tourist traps go....... its ok.

Why hasn't this post been deleted? Clearly defeated. If I were Jinx, I'd feel shame.

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Maybe after almost 70 years there are other books to choose from ?


Been to her residence in Amsterdam . As tourist traps go....... its ok.

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I remember a quote i read once. It might have been CS Lewis. "Never read a book under 50 years old.". There was an explantion that if the book was still around it was good. Use time to filter out poorly written books. Students should read great books.

That list is not exactly rife with classical literature.
The ''Anne Frank" text doesn't appear as mere diary but an enhanced version, I assume with pictures or illustrations. Historical photos or drawings by those involved, especially survivors, are a different matter with vastly different value than modern-day interpretations by writers with editorial comments.

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I still have fond memories of the time I was reading a children's book my first-grader brought home from Catholic school about the Children of Fatima and realized that, despite top-toe-y language, it was about children who engaged in self-flaggelation and other self-torture because they were instructed to do so by the Virgin Mary.
Know what I didn't do after realizing what I was reading? Rush to the school and tell them I thought they should remove this book from their library.
https://www.newmanministry.com/saints/our-lady-of-fatima#:~:text=The%20three%20children%20started%20penance,performed%20other%20works%20of%20penance.

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I have a hard time believing that a children's book was describing self-flaggelation and self-mortification (which is not torture).

I don't doubt that our BVM ask them to perform acts penances. Lucia, Jacinta, and Francisco all decided which acts of self-mortification to engage and were not instructed to do specific acts by our BVM.

Something tells me that this was another not-so-subtle dig at religion and the Church.

Why is it so hard for you to admit that your post was a misleading? Do you wish to troll others on this forum?

Coke Bear said:

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J.B.Katz said:

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I still have fond memories of the time I was reading a children's book my first-grader brought home from Catholic school about the Children of Fatima and realized that, despite top-toe-y language, it was about children who engaged in self-flaggelation and other self-torture because they were instructed to do so by the Virgin Mary.
Know what I didn't do after realizing what I was reading? Rush to the school and tell them I thought they should remove this book from their library.
https://www.newmanministry.com/saints/our-lady-of-fatima#:~:text=The%20three%20children%20started%20penance,performed%20other%20works%20of%20penance.

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I have a hard time believing that a children's book was describing self-flaggelation and self-mortification (which is not torture).

I don't doubt that our BVM ask them to perform acts penances. Lucia, Jacinta, and Francisco all decided which acts of self-mortification to engage and were not instructed to do specific acts by our BVM.

Something tells me that this was another not-so-subtle dig at religion and the Church.

Why is it so hard for you to admit that your post was a misleading? Do you wish to troll others on this forum?

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So is the description of the self-torture--self-starvation and denying themselves water (symptoms of what's now recognized as an eating disorder) and other self-abuse on the "newmanministry.com" site, which is a site for Catholic students promoting the Catholic faith, inaccurate?

Here's a description of "self-mortification" from an online dictionary that clearly states it DOES include physical self abuse: https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/self-mortification

"Most self-mortification is practiced by deeply religious people. In Christianity, self-mortification is called "mortification of the flesh," and it ranges from self-denial like not drinking alcohol or fasting to hitting one's own shoulders and back with a whip or strap"

Starving or hitting yourself is self-torture,whether you choose to acknowledge that or not, and denying yourself water, expecially on hot days, can be fatal.

Apparently you either didn't really read my post or you didn't understand its point, which is: While I find these practices repellent and dangerous, I understand that, at that time these chldren lived, they were viewed as holy. (It was also OK to burn or drown witches at this time; I don't condone or support that either.)

However, I did not want my own children to think these behaviors were good or acceptable or in any way. My solution was to find another book to read with my children. I didn't ask that the book be removed from the school library, believing that other parents, like you for instance, could make that choice for themselves.

Finally, these children were 7 and 8. Do you really think they were capable of "deciding for themselves" to self-torture? If a parent or guardian allowed children that age to engage in this sort of behavior in this day and time without seeking mental health care for them, they'd be in danger of losing custody and justifiably so.

Why is it so hard for you to acknowledge that, like most churches, the Catholic Church has a troubled history of abuse of children like this because it is a human institution?

fubar said:

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Putting aside the whole liberal/Christian/whatever red herring, it seems clear to me that a well-meaning policy is really ****ing dumb: If ANY person lodges a complaint about a book, the district pulls it from the shelves while figuring out what to do.

We ask our public schools to educate all children. We educate people to teach, and we invest in further training those people. The vast majority of us who had (or have) children in public schools give those people high marks for the jobs they do.

But the fad du jour is for politicians to attack curricula (and schools and the people who teach in them) on whatever basis, ignoring the fact that the people who do this stuff are trained to do just that. So we make a policy that ANY complaint, by ANYBODY, merits pulling ANY book while some group considers the complaint. We encourage yahoos to do this.

We need to stop the bull****. Tell the grandstanding politicians to **** off. Support the people teaching our children.

We all might learn something.

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Refreshing! Thanks.

cowboycwr said:

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J.B.Katz said:

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cowboycwr said:

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Nice try at finding an article that furthers your attack on the right.

This book was not the ONLY one pulled.

In fact they pulled all books that had complaints on them so that the district can review them and the district policy on controversial policies. The complaint specifically against this book does not show if it came from a conservative parent, liberal parent, atheist, anarchist, communist, etc.

There were 41 total books on the list, including all versions of the Bible.

But you ignore that 40 other books got pulled and just focus on this one so you can claim that everyone on the right/all Republicans are Nazis.

https://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/education/article264574871.html

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So your point is that instead of one book that's a well-known documentation of how Jews were treated by the Nazis before and during WWII, they removed 41 books? Including the Bible.

Bwahaha.

The Bible does have some graphic violence and salacious stories that include rape, masturbation, adultery and child sacrifice...and it was approved for a return to the shelves.

I still have fond memories of the time I was reading a children's book my first-grader brought home from Catholic school about the Children of Fatima and realized that, despite top-toe-y language, it was about children who engaged in self-flaggelation and other self-torture because they were instructed to do so by the Virgin Mary.

Know what I didn't do after realizing what I was reading? Rush to the school and tell them I thought they should remove this book from their library.

https://www.newmanministry.com/saints/our-lady-of-fatima#:~:text=The%20three%20children%20started%20penance,performed%20other%20works%20of%20penance.

On May 13, 1917, ten-year old Lucia Santos and her cousins Jacinta and Francisco Marto were herding sheep at a location known as the Cova da Iria near their home village of Fatima, Portugal. Lucia described seeing a woman "Brighter than the sun, shedding rays of light clearer and stronger than a crystal ball willed with the most sparkling water and pierced by the burning rays of the sun". She appeared again on the 13th day of the months of June and July. In these, the woman asked the children to do penance and "Acts of Reparation" as well as making personal sacrifices to save sinners. The three children started penance, wearing tight cords around their waists to cause themselves pain, performed self-flagellation using stinging nettles, abstained from drinking water on hot days, and performed other works of penance. The woman in the course of her appearances confided to the children three secrets, now known as the "Three Secrets of Fatima".

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My point was (that you clearly missed) was that there was a whole list of books that had complaints on them. Complaints that cannot be traced to what type of parent made them. As in we don't know if it was a Christian parent, Muslim parent, Jewish parent, atheist parent, or if they are left or right on their voting history. All the books received complaints so the district pulled them all to review them, their district policies on approving books and then decide which ones to put back.

But you still ignore the point or even to acknowledge that you do not have all the facts and are just attacking the right, Christianity, etc. and doubling down when the facts are presented.

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She didn't clearly miss the point. She saw the point and ran from like a weak animal runs from a lion. I guarantee she saw your point as her next post clearly is an attempt at a diversion.

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Canada2017 said:

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Maybe after almost 70 years there are other books to choose from ?


Been to her residence in Amsterdam . As tourist traps go....... its ok.

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I remember a quote i read once. It might have been CS Lewis. "Never read a book under 50 years old.". There was an explantion that if the book was still around it was good. Use time to filter out poorly written books. Students should read great books.

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That is exactly what I was hinted at above. But like everything else, some have substituted "diversity" for "quality."

I would not necessarily apply that standard to every book in a library but in terms of curricula books not a terrible idea ... until one realizes reason, grammar, math, etc., all are racist.

Coke Bear said:

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J.B.Katz said:

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I still have fond memories of the time I was reading a children's book my first-grader brought home from Catholic school about the Children of Fatima and realized that, despite top-toe-y language, it was about children who engaged in self-flaggelation and other self-torture because they were instructed to do so by the Virgin Mary.
Know what I didn't do after realizing what I was reading? Rush to the school and tell them I thought they should remove this book from their library.
https://www.newmanministry.com/saints/our-lady-of-fatima#:~:text=The%20three%20children%20started%20penance,performed%20other%20works%20of%20penance.

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Why is it so hard for you to admit that your post was a misleading? Do you wish to troll others on this forum?

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Jinx is a classic hypocrite with zero self awareness .

Has played the same bizarre routine for many years.

You would think that the Jerusalem Post would have better things to write about than school libraries in Keller, Texas.

Proud 1992 Alum said:

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You would think that the Jerusalem Post would have better things to write about than school libraries in Keller, Texas.

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You would think that the Jew-hating wokeys would have better things to write about than school libraries in Keller, Texas. I'm not sure they can read.

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]So is the description of the self-torture--self-starvation and denying themselves water (symptoms of what's now recognized as an eating disorder) and other self-abuse on the "newmanministry.com" site, which is a site for Catholic students promoting the Catholic faith, inaccurate?

Here's a description of "self-mortification" from an online dictionary that clearly states it DOES include physical self abuse: https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/self-mortification

"Most self-mortification is practiced by deeply religious people. In Christianity, self-mortification is called "mortification of the flesh," and it ranges from self-denial like not drinking alcohol or fasting to hitting one's own shoulders and back with a whip or strap"

Starving or hitting yourself is self-torture,whether you choose to acknowledge that or not, and denying yourself water, expecially on hot days, can be fatal.

Apparently you either didn't really read my post or you didn't understand its point, which is: While I find these practices repellent and dangerous, I understand that, at that time these chldren lived, they were viewed as holy. (It was also OK to burn or drown witches at this time; I don't condone or support that either.)

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Torture is the intentional infliction of pain on another person. What the children engaged in is self-mortification.
If our Blessed Mother deemed their actions dangerous, she would have told them NOT to do it.
Today, self-mortification is only allowed under the careful watch of solid spiritual direction.

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]Finally, these children were 7 and 8. Do you really think they were capable of "deciding for themselves" to self-torture? If a parent or guardian allowed children that age to engage in this sort of behavior in this day and time without seeking mental health care for them, they'd be in danger of losing custody and justifiably so.

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Yes, I think they are capable of fully understand what they were doing. On July 13th, IIRC, the children were shown a vision of hell and all the suffering souls. It literally scared the hell out of them. Our Blessed Mother showed them what happens to the people who didn't repent. These children, now Saints, understood that their suffering would help some on earth repent of their ways and find Jesus.

Have people in the 2000 year history of the Church made mistakes? Absolutely. It doesn't deny the truth of the Faith. It points out the failings of all humans.

Finally, I'm not going to turn this into another religious debate with you on this thread. You continually criticize and mock what you don't understand about the Church.

The point that many have tried to make on this post is that, once again, you have posted another article trying to condemn conservatives, Christians, whomever. Many here pointed out the falsehoods in your drive-by attempt and showed that it was nothing.

You won't own up to it, except for doubling-down on the Church is the boogey-man.
At least be honest with yourself and everyone and admit it. It does the mind and soul good to admit and guilt. It's the first step in healing.

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"Good morning, the recent reporting by media that Keller ISD is banning the Bible and Anne Frank is false. The district will be reviewing those books per updated policy using content guidelines pending board approval.

statements by Dr. Charles Randklev, the Keller ISD School Board President

This information was conveniently omitted in most of yesterday's coverage and instead the focus was on eye-catching headlines, with little regard for truth or facts.

Also omitted were other titles (see list), which included Gender Queer and All Boys Aren't Blue, among others. These books are replete with graphic, gratuitous, sexually-explicit content (see link to video for examples) and have no place in the hands of children.

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Possibly next time post actual facts instead of rumors.

Funny you didn't mention the rumor mill also said Keller had banned the Bible.

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Coke Bear said:

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J.B.Katz said:

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I still have fond memories of the time I was reading a children's book my first-grader brought home from Catholic school about the Children of Fatima and realized that, despite top-toe-y language, it was about children who engaged in self-flaggelation and other self-torture because they were instructed to do so by the Virgin Mary.
Know what I didn't do after realizing what I was reading? Rush to the school and tell them I thought they should remove this book from their library.
https://www.newmanministry.com/saints/our-lady-of-fatima#:~:text=The%20three%20children%20started%20penance,performed%20other%20works%20of%20penance.

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Why is it so hard for you to admit that your post was a misleading? Do you wish to troll others on this forum?

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Jinx is a classic hypocrite with zero self awareness .

Has played the same bizarre routine for many years.

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Yea, I used to think they were an authentic person. Then they had this period where they had a "personal" experience or story that would always exactly match the point they were trying to make, when these situations hardly ever exist anywhere, but were a daily occurance with Jinx. At this point they have been reduced to a troll, and they simply regurgitate talking points that match their peculiar penchant for dubious tales, those tales always matching their personal belief system.

I hit her crib BITD.

then I had some pickled herring and a Heinie.

- KKM

RIP AF.

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Maybe after almost 70 years there are other books to choose from ?


Been to her residence in Amsterdam . As tourist traps go....... its ok.

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Wow! We came away feeling anger a family could have to exist in fear not knowing where your next bread crumb was coming.

Aliceinbubbleland said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Maybe after almost 70 years there are other books to choose from ?


Been to her residence in Amsterdam . As tourist traps go....... its ok.

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Wow! We came away feeling anger a family could have to exist in fear not knowing where your next bread crumb was coming.

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Tens of thousands of Dutch civilians starved to death in Amsterdam during this last winter of German occupation .

Hundreds of thousands of German civilians were murdered or raped by the Russians following the end the war.

Thousands of German POW's were murdered, starved or died of exposure in French , American and Russian prison camps for over a year AFTER the war was over.

Millions of civilians .....Russians, Jews, and gypsies, Poles , Slavs and Catholics were murdered in the Nazi death camps.





War is a ***** . The only problem with extended periods of peace are the morons who either forgot just how horrible war is...or never knew to begin with .

Those are the really dangerous idiots.

And our government is loaded with them .

Texas Schools Require Clear Bags To Prevent Students From Bringing In Books https://t.co/6TIkbxcbPR pic.twitter.com/55p23VGrku

— The Onion (@TheOnion) August 19, 2022

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Keller School district confirmed that books including the Anne Frank diary adaptation and the Bible had been returned.

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Just FYI.

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Keller School district confirmed that books including the Anne Frank diary adaptation and the Bible had been returned.

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Just FYI.

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Wait.... so the uproar in the OP was essentially over nothing?????

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Forest Bueller_bf said:

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Keller School district confirmed that books including the Anne Frank diary adaptation and the Bible had been returned.

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Just FYI.

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Wait.... so the uproar in the OP was essentially over nothing?????

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Yep.