Polling this early on is almost meaningless as many potential voters surveyed choose based primarily on name recognition .whiterock said:Polling doesn't show that right now. It doesn't show Trump losing the general. It shows him ahead of the two most likely nominees of the opposing party, to include majority numbers in some key swing states.Canada2017 said:Real weakness .....is to lose .whiterock said:I would only quibble with the word "disgusting." In no way was his behavior was any more disgusting than what we've seen from the other side of aisle, thus in context was clearly within the bounds of acceptable political behavior we have traditionally tolerated.Canada2017 said:It is , in fact, a lie........an unnecessary lie.whiterock said:That is a bald-faced lie. You are perceiving the world as you need it to be in order to comport with your feelings about one person you detest. In fairness, you are far from alone in that.....Osodecentx said:Because a sitting POTUS called to the mob & continues to do so4th and Inches said:whatever makes you feel betterTexasScientist said:Apples to oranges.4th and Inches said:not even the worst capital "invasion" in modern history. Lergest by number of people, not the most violent.TexasScientist said:They're off to a good start after invading the Capitol.Johnny Bear said:
Oh yeah - Trump is like Mussolini and his supporters are like the black shirts, right? What with all the political enemies he and his supporters have persecuted, imprisoned, and executed and all. Next thing you know, he and all those wacked out MAGA crazies will be advocating the invasion of other sovereign countries and the persecution of "undesirables".
Man what a dumb post.
1915: Angry at the unofficial support the U.S. was providing Britain in World War I, Erich Muenter, a former professor of German at Harvard University, sets off a bomb in an empty Senate chamber.
1954: Four Puerto Rican nationalists enter the House chamber and fire on lawmakers from the visitors gallery. Five congressmen are injured.
1971: The left-wing Weather Underground detonates a bomb in a Senate men's room, after telephoning a 30-minute warning to the Capitol switchboard.
1983: A bomb explodes in a Senate corridor, after a warning phone call. Six members of the Resistance Conspiracy, which opposed U.S. actions in Grenada and Lebanon, later are arrested for a bombing campaign against government buildings.
1998: A gunman breaches a Capitol security checkpoint and kills two police officers, Jacob Chestnut Jr. and Detective John Gibson.
Pelosi called it democracy in action when they stormed the Wisconsin state capital.
Why is she upset over January 6? It's just democracy in action..
Trump's behavior was disgusting after his 2020 election loss.
So disgusting he should never again hold public office......by the will of the people . Not by the will of Trump's political opponents .
But he did not call for an 'insurrection '.......which by the way ......is not remotely an accurate description of what occurred on January 6th .
To the degree that conservatives expect more from their own.........it's still no cause to start making stuff up just to virtue posture to fit media narratives.
We cannot continue to indulge ourselves in the vanity that we are better, too good, to play like the other side. (along with #5, #6, #8, #10.)
Nominating Trump loses the general election .
DeSantis has a better than odds on opportunity to win .
Winning results in the power necessary to correct the abuses we have all witnessed the last 18 months.
Republicans. conservatives and Christians need to be focused on the ultimate objective.
Neither does it show DeSantis having better odds. It shows, consistently, that DeSantis runs several points behind Trump, nationally in and in several swing states.
Not saying your assessment is crazy or anything. Just that it's at odds with available data. So i AM focused on the ultimate objective. Show me some polling. Show me some granular analysis of coalitions and issues, etc.....and I'm all ears.
I LIKE DeSantis, touted him here early on as a rising star. I would be hard pressed to argue that he would not be a more effective POTUS for the conservative cause than Trump. But it is abundantly clear that, at the moment, he is a weaker candidate that Trump. That's why I think you will see a Trump/DeSantis ticket in 2024. It would be a very, very good one, the best chance we have to unite the party without risking the Trump coalition.
Can't believe DeSantis would be dumb enough to take 2nd chair to Trump after witnessing Trump's behavior to Pence and various cabinet members.
Of course if one believes Biden got over 81 million votes in 2020 one would have to accept the possibility that any Dem nominee will get at least 90 million votes ( or whatever number required ) and 'win' in 2024.