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#TrumpIsMightier
I agree4th and Inches said:
It was a reasonable request.. now we will see what is and isnt.
its a backwards move only because Garland didnt do it originally.fubar said:
It's a bit of an odd order, and one where the judge appears to be bending over backwards to give an appearance of "fairness" to Trump. Of course nothing short of an order returning all documents to Trump, tossing the case entirely, and forcing prosecution of the DOJ and entire FBI will ever satisfy Trump and the MAGAites as fair, but whatever.
The sides have until Friday to agree on the scope of the Special Master's duties and present a list of potential individuals to fulfill the duties. They'll never agree as to claims of "executive privilege" as falling under his/her purview. I suppose the next order, the one following the 9/9 deadline, is the one that might matter.
This slows the potential fed case somewhat, but Merrick Garland wouldn't allow an indictment before the mid-terms anyway.
RMF5630 said:
Guess it wasn't that crazy of a request. I am sure there are all sorts of reasons why we should just skip straight to sentencing.
Funny, for a crowd that is so concerned with everyone getting fair treatment, they sort of punt on that concept with Trump.
4th and Inches said:
Interesting..
8/11: Lists *SCI docs* in raid inventory filed with Magistrate Judge Reinhart
8/30: Lists *no SCI docs* in detailed inventory filed with Judge Cannon
8/31: Filed FBI picture of SCI cover sheets. Were they empty? Where did SCI docs go?
well. Source one is the inventory filed with the magistrate- a simple google search will find itOsodecentx said:4th and Inches said:
Interesting..
8/11: Lists *SCI docs* in raid inventory filed with Magistrate Judge Reinhart
8/30: Lists *no SCI docs* in detailed inventory filed with Judge Cannon
8/31: Filed FBI picture of SCI cover sheets. Were they empty? Where did SCI docs go?
Link? I'd like to look at your sources, if you're serious about convincing people
Canada2017 said:RMF5630 said:
Guess it wasn't that crazy of a request. I am sure there are all sorts of reasons why we should just skip straight to sentencing.
Funny, for a crowd that is so concerned with everyone getting fair treatment, they sort of punt on that concept with Trump.
Trump is going to get indicted…..one way or another .
They is no way on earth Biden's administration would have risked such a raid otherwise .
Or Where did the SCI cover sheets come from?4th and Inches said:
Interesting..
8/11: Lists *SCI docs* in raid inventory filed with Magistrate Judge Reinhart
8/30: Lists *no SCI docs* in detailed inventory filed with Judge Cannon
8/31: Filed FBI picture of SCI cover sheets. Were they empty? Where did SCI docs go?
If the possession of unclassified documents is the violation, what difference does SCI make? The warrant didn't reference SC4th and Inches said:well. Source one is the inventory filed with the magistrate- a simple google search will find itOsodecentx said:4th and Inches said:
Interesting..
8/11: Lists *SCI docs* in raid inventory filed with Magistrate Judge Reinhart
8/30: Lists *no SCI docs* in detailed inventory filed with Judge Cannon
8/31: Filed FBI picture of SCI cover sheets. Were they empty? Where did SCI docs go?
Link? I'd like to look at your sources, if you're serious about convincing people
Source two is the detailed inventory filed with Judge Cannon. A simple google search will find it.
Source 3 is a photo everybody and his brother has seen.
Trump already answered that. The FBI took them out of the cartons where he was storing them.He Hate Me said:Or Where did the SCI cover sheets come from?4th and Inches said:
Interesting..
8/11: Lists *SCI docs* in raid inventory filed with Magistrate Judge Reinhart
8/30: Lists *no SCI docs* in detailed inventory filed with Judge Cannon
8/31: Filed FBI picture of SCI cover sheets. Were they empty? Where did SCI docs go?
The warrant was incredibly broad. That is a problem. If I recall correctly, this started as a search for nuclear codes or nuclear documents. Have we moved on to yoga poses and wedding plans now?Osodecentx said:If the possession of unclassified documents is the violation, what difference does SCI make? The warrant didn't reference SC4th and Inches said:well. Source one is the inventory filed with the magistrate- a simple google search will find itOsodecentx said:4th and Inches said:
Interesting..
8/11: Lists *SCI docs* in raid inventory filed with Magistrate Judge Reinhart
8/30: Lists *no SCI docs* in detailed inventory filed with Judge Cannon
8/31: Filed FBI picture of SCI cover sheets. Were they empty? Where did SCI docs go?
Link? I'd like to look at your sources, if you're serious about convincing people
Source two is the detailed inventory filed with Judge Cannon. A simple google search will find it.
Source 3 is a photo everybody and his brother has seen.
I docs, did it?
if he gets all the docs classified to be considered unclassified then he only has to overcome why he had them. As unclassified documents, he declared them personal as his right under PRA(hypothetical arguement, not that i agree with it)Osodecentx said:If the possession of unclassified documents is the violation, what difference does SCI make? The warrant didn't reference SC4th and Inches said:well. Source one is the inventory filed with the magistrate- a simple google search will find itOsodecentx said:4th and Inches said:
Interesting..
8/11: Lists *SCI docs* in raid inventory filed with Magistrate Judge Reinhart
8/30: Lists *no SCI docs* in detailed inventory filed with Judge Cannon
8/31: Filed FBI picture of SCI cover sheets. Were they empty? Where did SCI docs go?
Link? I'd like to look at your sources, if you're serious about convincing people
Source two is the detailed inventory filed with Judge Cannon. A simple google search will find it.
Source 3 is a photo everybody and his brother has seen.
I docs, did it?
11000 documents and about 100 of them have classified markingsHe Hate Me said:The warrant was incredibly broad. That is a problem. If I recall correctly, this started as a search for nuclear codes or nuclear documents. Have we moved on to yoga poses and wedding plans now?Osodecentx said:If the possession of unclassified documents is the violation, what difference does SCI make? The warrant didn't reference SC4th and Inches said:well. Source one is the inventory filed with the magistrate- a simple google search will find itOsodecentx said:4th and Inches said:
Interesting..
8/11: Lists *SCI docs* in raid inventory filed with Magistrate Judge Reinhart
8/30: Lists *no SCI docs* in detailed inventory filed with Judge Cannon
8/31: Filed FBI picture of SCI cover sheets. Were they empty? Where did SCI docs go?
Link? I'd like to look at your sources, if you're serious about convincing people
Source two is the detailed inventory filed with Judge Cannon. A simple google search will find it.
Source 3 is a photo everybody and his brother has seen.
I docs, did it?
Coversheets are very scary. Sometimes I put the old coversheets on the TPS reports. Management gets mad.Sam Lowry said:Trump already answered that. The FBI took them out of the cartons where he was storing them.He Hate Me said:Or Where did the SCI cover sheets come from?4th and Inches said:
Interesting..
8/11: Lists *SCI docs* in raid inventory filed with Magistrate Judge Reinhart
8/30: Lists *no SCI docs* in detailed inventory filed with Judge Cannon
8/31: Filed FBI picture of SCI cover sheets. Were they empty? Where did SCI docs go?
So, like, you mean, a search warrant cannot say something like, "Everything in his really big house"?4th and Inches said:11000 documents and about 100 of them have classified markingsHe Hate Me said:The warrant was incredibly broad. That is a problem. If I recall correctly, this started as a search for nuclear codes or nuclear documents. Have we moved on to yoga poses and wedding plans now?Osodecentx said:If the possession of unclassified documents is the violation, what difference does SCI make? The warrant didn't reference SC4th and Inches said:well. Source one is the inventory filed with the magistrate- a simple google search will find itOsodecentx said:4th and Inches said:
Interesting..
8/11: Lists *SCI docs* in raid inventory filed with Magistrate Judge Reinhart
8/30: Lists *no SCI docs* in detailed inventory filed with Judge Cannon
8/31: Filed FBI picture of SCI cover sheets. Were they empty? Where did SCI docs go?
Link? I'd like to look at your sources, if you're serious about convincing people
Source two is the detailed inventory filed with Judge Cannon. A simple google search will find it.
Source 3 is a photo everybody and his brother has seen.
I docs, did it?
Seems to be an overly broad siezure.. it will be interesting to see what the special master is asked to do by each party
lol, unless it goes his way, he gonna throw a mean tweet temper tantrum.JXL said:
Granting a special master is a smart move. They should appoint one suggested by Trump's legal team. It adds a layer of impartiality to the process (and gives him one less thing to complain about).
It is the possession of the documents, not whether they were classified4th and Inches said:if he gets all the docs classified to be considered unclassified then he only has to overcome why he had them. As unclassified documents, he declared them personal as his right under PRA(hypothetical arguement, not that i agree with it)Osodecentx said:If the possession of unclassified documents is the violation, what difference does SCI make? The warrant didn't reference SC4th and Inches said:well. Source one is the inventory filed with the magistrate- a simple google search will find itOsodecentx said:4th and Inches said:
Interesting..
8/11: Lists *SCI docs* in raid inventory filed with Magistrate Judge Reinhart
8/30: Lists *no SCI docs* in detailed inventory filed with Judge Cannon
8/31: Filed FBI picture of SCI cover sheets. Were they empty? Where did SCI docs go?
Link? I'd like to look at your sources, if you're serious about convincing people
Source two is the detailed inventory filed with Judge Cannon. A simple google search will find it.
Source 3 is a photo everybody and his brother has seen.
I docs, did it?
His biggest possible failure appears to be possessing NDI.. if he clears that hurdle then its really down to PRA violations which between him and the archivist.
Appointing a person Trump wants adds "impartiality"?JXL said:
Granting a special master is a smart move. They should appoint one suggested by Trump's legal team. It adds a layer of impartiality to the process (and gives him one less thing to complain about).
It is possession of the 11,000 docs, not whether they were classified4th and Inches said:11000 documents and about 100 of them have classified markingsHe Hate Me said:The warrant was incredibly broad. That is a problem. If I recall correctly, this started as a search for nuclear codes or nuclear documents. Have we moved on to yoga poses and wedding plans now?Osodecentx said:If the possession of unclassified documents is the violation, what difference does SCI make? The warrant didn't reference SC4th and Inches said:well. Source one is the inventory filed with the magistrate- a simple google search will find itOsodecentx said:4th and Inches said:
Interesting..
8/11: Lists *SCI docs* in raid inventory filed with Magistrate Judge Reinhart
8/30: Lists *no SCI docs* in detailed inventory filed with Judge Cannon
8/31: Filed FBI picture of SCI cover sheets. Were they empty? Where did SCI docs go?
Link? I'd like to look at your sources, if you're serious about convincing people
Source two is the detailed inventory filed with Judge Cannon. A simple google search will find it.
Source 3 is a photo everybody and his brother has seen.
I docs, did it?
Seems to be an overly broad siezure.. it will be interesting to see what the special master is asked to do by each party
not true.. it is the possession of the documents that could have NDI in them.Osodecentx said:It is the possession of the documents, not whether they were classified4th and Inches said:if he gets all the docs classified to be considered unclassified then he only has to overcome why he had them. As unclassified documents, he declared them personal as his right under PRA(hypothetical arguement, not that i agree with it)Osodecentx said:If the possession of unclassified documents is the violation, what difference does SCI make? The warrant didn't reference SC4th and Inches said:well. Source one is the inventory filed with the magistrate- a simple google search will find itOsodecentx said:4th and Inches said:
Interesting..
8/11: Lists *SCI docs* in raid inventory filed with Magistrate Judge Reinhart
8/30: Lists *no SCI docs* in detailed inventory filed with Judge Cannon
8/31: Filed FBI picture of SCI cover sheets. Were they empty? Where did SCI docs go?
Link? I'd like to look at your sources, if you're serious about convincing people
Source two is the detailed inventory filed with Judge Cannon. A simple google search will find it.
Source 3 is a photo everybody and his brother has seen.
I docs, did it?
His biggest possible failure appears to be possessing NDI.. if he clears that hurdle then its really down to PRA violations which between him and the archivist.
well, the problem is those 11000 documents included private tax returns and medical records.. not part of the subpeona. Bit of an over reach on the seizure but we already knew that..Osodecentx said:It is possession of the 11,000 docs, not whether they were classified4th and Inches said:11000 documents and about 100 of them have classified markingsHe Hate Me said:The warrant was incredibly broad. That is a problem. If I recall correctly, this started as a search for nuclear codes or nuclear documents. Have we moved on to yoga poses and wedding plans now?Osodecentx said:If the possession of unclassified documents is the violation, what difference does SCI make? The warrant didn't reference SC4th and Inches said:well. Source one is the inventory filed with the magistrate- a simple google search will find itOsodecentx said:4th and Inches said:
Interesting..
8/11: Lists *SCI docs* in raid inventory filed with Magistrate Judge Reinhart
8/30: Lists *no SCI docs* in detailed inventory filed with Judge Cannon
8/31: Filed FBI picture of SCI cover sheets. Were they empty? Where did SCI docs go?
Link? I'd like to look at your sources, if you're serious about convincing people
Source two is the detailed inventory filed with Judge Cannon. A simple google search will find it.
Source 3 is a photo everybody and his brother has seen.
I docs, did it?
Seems to be an overly broad siezure.. it will be interesting to see what the special master is asked to do by each party
EasilyRMF5630 said:Canada2017 said:RMF5630 said:
Guess it wasn't that crazy of a request. I am sure there are all sorts of reasons why we should just skip straight to sentencing.
Funny, for a crowd that is so concerned with everyone getting fair treatment, they sort of punt on that concept with Trump.
Trump is going to get indicted…..one way or another .
They is no way on earth Biden's administration would have risked such a raid otherwise .
The only question is how to make it last until 2024.
Canada2017 said:EasilyRMF5630 said:Canada2017 said:RMF5630 said:
Guess it wasn't that crazy of a request. I am sure there are all sorts of reasons why we should just skip straight to sentencing.
Funny, for a crowd that is so concerned with everyone getting fair treatment, they sort of punt on that concept with Trump.
Trump is going to get indicted…..one way or another .
They is no way on earth Biden's administration would have risked such a raid otherwise .
The only question is how to make it last until 2024.
There will be a series of postponements and delays . But the DOJ will not drop this case ...they don't dare.
Besides, postponements will provide Dem radicals plenty of time to gauge if they can actually get away with imprisoning their political opponents without inciting an armed uprising .
Most people won't care of course. They are too busy trying to make their truck payments and catch up on past child support.
But if just 2 or 3 governors discover some real courage .................
Important conceptual points to help interpret what is reported: SCI = "sensitive, compartmented information," referring to compartments within Top Secret, conceptutally interchangeable with TS. So when you see "SCI" mentioned, it would typically mean "one or more compartmentations within TS."Osodecentx said:If the possession of unclassified documents is the violation, what difference does SCI make? The warrant didn't reference SC4th and Inches said:well. Source one is the inventory filed with the magistrate- a simple google search will find itOsodecentx said:4th and Inches said:
Interesting..
8/11: Lists *SCI docs* in raid inventory filed with Magistrate Judge Reinhart
8/30: Lists *no SCI docs* in detailed inventory filed with Judge Cannon
8/31: Filed FBI picture of SCI cover sheets. Were they empty? Where did SCI docs go?
Link? I'd like to look at your sources, if you're serious about convincing people
Source two is the detailed inventory filed with Judge Cannon. A simple google search will find it.
Source 3 is a photo everybody and his brother has seen.
I docs, did it?
Just google it4th and Inches said:not true.. it is the possession of the documents that could have NDI in them.Osodecentx said:It is the possession of the documents, not whether they were classified4th and Inches said:if he gets all the docs classified to be considered unclassified then he only has to overcome why he had them. As unclassified documents, he declared them personal as his right under PRA(hypothetical arguement, not that i agree with it)Osodecentx said:If the possession of unclassified documents is the violation, what difference does SCI make? The warrant didn't reference SC4th and Inches said:well. Source one is the inventory filed with the magistrate- a simple google search will find itOsodecentx said:4th and Inches said:
Interesting..
8/11: Lists *SCI docs* in raid inventory filed with Magistrate Judge Reinhart
8/30: Lists *no SCI docs* in detailed inventory filed with Judge Cannon
8/31: Filed FBI picture of SCI cover sheets. Were they empty? Where did SCI docs go?
Link? I'd like to look at your sources, if you're serious about convincing people
Source two is the detailed inventory filed with Judge Cannon. A simple google search will find it.
Source 3 is a photo everybody and his brother has seen.
I docs, did it?
His biggest possible failure appears to be possessing NDI.. if he clears that hurdle then its really down to PRA violations which between him and the archivist.
If all are declassified, NDI is irrelevant and the rest is an arguement between the NARA archivist and president Trump. There is no timeline and no real penalty for this part of the arguement.
The reason all of this is going on is because incumbent president aka joe Biden asked for records from the archivist. Those records are to be sealed for a period of time unless it is for an investigation. Biden is pushing the prosecution of a political opponent. Clearly outlined in archivist letters and also in the DOj filings.
It is the possession of the documents, not their classificationwhiterock said:Important conceptual points to help interpret what is reported: SCI = "sensitive, compartmented information," referring to compartments within Top Secret, conceptutally interchangeable with TS. So when you see "SCI" mentioned, it would typically mean "one or more compartmentations within TS."Osodecentx said:If the possession of unclassified documents is the violation, what difference does SCI make? The warrant didn't reference SC4th and Inches said:well. Source one is the inventory filed with the magistrate- a simple google search will find itOsodecentx said:4th and Inches said:
Interesting..
8/11: Lists *SCI docs* in raid inventory filed with Magistrate Judge Reinhart
8/30: Lists *no SCI docs* in detailed inventory filed with Judge Cannon
8/31: Filed FBI picture of SCI cover sheets. Were they empty? Where did SCI docs go?
Link? I'd like to look at your sources, if you're serious about convincing people
Source two is the detailed inventory filed with Judge Cannon. A simple google search will find it.
Source 3 is a photo everybody and his brother has seen.
I docs, did it?
Generally speaking, a security clearance gets you full access to materials marked "Confidential" and "Secret." The volume of C and S is so great that no one person could read or carry it all. You get what concerns your area, but there is no formal effort to compartmentalize, to restrict dissemination beyond the normal routing indicators (who has action, who is "cc'd.") Not so with TS. There is no "higher level" of classification, merely compartmentations within TS and that compartmentation is formally managed. You have to demonstrate "need to know" to gain access to each compartment, limiting the breadth of your access across the TS level, and your badge/file indicates what you are eligible to see. Yes, "need to know" matters everywhere, but at Secret & Confidential levels it's a matter of professionalism, of not asking about or revealing things you know shouldn't be shared with those who aren't involved in the subject.
Generally speaking, TS is technical in nature.
Exceedingly sensitive humint is a different story. (bears markings not found on the docs from MAL raid.)
Confidential is stuff that, if declassified, would in most cases beg questions about why it was classified at all. Very mundane stuff, admin details, etc....
