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Still waiting…

What is rich?
What is fair share?

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I wont speak for Waco, but based on my experience with liberals who make the claim he did, I posit the answers a follow:

"Rich"= anyone who makes more money and has nicer things that I do and which I want but cannot afford

"Fair Share" = the amount of tax that makes the "Rich" no better off than I am or can be redistributed so I can have the same things they do Straw man

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I'm still waiting
What is rich?
What is fair share?

I've asked no fewer than 4 times now. Still waiting.

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He was asked question after question that challenged his theology in another thread. He ignored all of them after many requests. Then he chided another for "not answering his question", and made a comment that is an instant Sic'em365 classic: "I find conservative Christians do not want to deal critically with theological issues."

This is who you are dealing with.

47 is a heretic in the traditional sense of the word. At least he tries to come off that way.

I'm aware.

I'm over "the rich don't pay their fair share". This Democrat talking point is spouted all over this country. It's anti-capitalist and anti-democracy and, in almost every case, a farce.

So if you're going to say it you better be prepared to defend your work.

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There is no such thing as post birth abortion

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New York disagrees.

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A post birth abortion is a murder. There is no other term for it.

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They redefined marriage, family, male and female, why not try to redefine life, human, abortion and murder?

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Exactly. If you're going to abort a baby at 40 weeks not sure how it is done other than forcibly removing it and murdering it.

Waco47 - what would you call abortion at 38, 39, 40 weeks?

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Oh, but think of the possibilities:

"Your Honor, this is not a murder, the defendant was simply having an abortion ... in the 1,045th week ."

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Policies Matter
1. Fix the electrical grid
2. High speed Internet for farmers
3. Protect rural public schools
4. Pay teachers more
Vote Democratic

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OK, I'll play:

"1. Fix the electrical grid" by getting rid of politicians in ERCOT and basing production on reliability, overall cost and energy density ... which would increase gas and nuclear plants and reduce reliance on faddish wind turbines and solar
"2. High speed Internet for farmers" - already done, and no you can't claim credit for it Waco
"3. Protect rural public schools" by requiring School Districts be in charge of testing, textbook selection and course selection. More functional skills, less garbage Social Justice
"4. Pay teachers more" if they are proven to help their students master grade-level schoolwork, fire them when they bring their politics and personal lifestyle into the classroom

"Vote Democratic" if you are Racist and hate America. Vote Republican if you support the Constitution and want our children to grow up free and prosperous.

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nein51 said:

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Still waiting…

What is rich?
What is fair share?

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I wont speak for Waco, but based on my experience with liberals who make the claim he did, I posit the answers a follow:

"Rich"= anyone who makes more money and has nicer things that I do and which I want but cannot afford

"Fair Share" = the amount of tax that makes the "Rich" no better off than I am or can be redistributed so I can have the same things they do Straw man

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Define straw man and then try again.

You could always just answer the question so we dont have to guess.

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nein51 said:

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Still waiting…

What is rich?
What is fair share?

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I wont speak for Waco, but based on my experience with liberals who make the claim he did, I posit the answers a follow:

"Rich"= anyone who makes more money and has nicer things that I do and which I want but cannot afford

"Fair Share" = the amount of tax that makes the "Rich" no better off than I am or can be redistributed so I can have the same things they do Straw man

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I'm still waiting
What is rich?
What is fair share?

I've asked no fewer than 4 times now. Still waiting.

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Impossible to answer. Salary, Assets, Wealth savings,

Waco1947 said:

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nein51 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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303Bear said:

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nein51 said:

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Still waiting…

What is rich?
What is fair share?

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I wont speak for Waco, but based on my experience with liberals who make the claim he did, I posit the answers a follow:

"Rich"= anyone who makes more money and has nicer things that I do and which I want but cannot afford

"Fair Share" = the amount of tax that makes the "Rich" no better off than I am or can be redistributed so I can have the same things they do Straw man

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I'm still waiting
What is rich?
What is fair share?

I've asked no fewer than 4 times now. Still waiting.

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Impossible to answer. Salary, Assets, Wealth savings,

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So yon can't tell me who the rich are? I assume, by default, if you can't tell me who they are then you can't tell me what their fair share is…

So should you maybe go ahead and delete that portion of your post and maybe not ever say "the rich don't pay their fair share"?

Waco1947 said:

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nein51 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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303Bear said:

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nein51 said:

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Still waiting…

What is rich?
What is fair share?

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I wont speak for Waco, but based on my experience with liberals who make the claim he did, I posit the answers a follow:

"Rich"= anyone who makes more money and has nicer things that I do and which I want but cannot afford

"Fair Share" = the amount of tax that makes the "Rich" no better off than I am or can be redistributed so I can have the same things they do Straw man

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I'm still waiting
What is rich?
What is fair share?

I've asked no fewer than 4 times now. Still waiting.

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Impossible to answer. Salary, Assets, Wealth savings,

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Good grief just be honest for once.

You want everyone else to be financially liable for your life choices.

As they already have been....for several years.

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nein51 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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303Bear said:

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nein51 said:

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Still waiting…

What is rich?
What is fair share?

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I wont speak for Waco, but based on my experience with liberals who make the claim he did, I posit the answers a follow:

"Rich"= anyone who makes more money and has nicer things that I do and which I want but cannot afford

"Fair Share" = the amount of tax that makes the "Rich" no better off than I am or can be redistributed so I can have the same things they do Straw man

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I'm still waiting
What is rich?
What is fair share?

I've asked no fewer than 4 times now. Still waiting.

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Impossible to answer. Salary, Assets, Wealth savings,

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If you are going to make policy based on "rich" and "fair share," it is impossible to do so if it is impossible to answer the question "what is rich?" and "what is fair share?" At that point, we are no longer talking about policy but about getting people to hate others because they have more money.

If one were to ask "who are the rich?, he would be guilty of the fallacy of the complex question, if, in each case, the alternatives, as a matter of fact, were more numerous than, or were in any way different from, those stated in the question. The alternatives are more numerous than the question allows

The presupposition (who is rich?) is a proposition that is presumed to be acceptable to the respondent when the question is asked. The respondent becomes committed to this proposition when they give any direct answer. When a presupposition includes an admission of being wrong, it is called a "loaded question" and is a form of entrapment in legal trials or debates.

Who is rich? is a loaded question.

But you know all this bad form on your part. It is intentional and unhelpful

Waco1947 said:

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If one were to ask "who are the rich?, he would be guilty of the fallacy of the complex question, if, in each case, the alternatives, as a matter of fact, were more numerous than, or were in any way different from, those stated in the question. The alternatives are more numerous than the question allows

The presupposition (who is rich?) is a proposition that is presumed to be acceptable to the respondent when the question is asked. The respondent becomes committed to this proposition when they give any direct answer. When a presupposition includes an admission of being wrong, it is called a "loaded question" and is a form of entrapment in legal trials or debates.

Who is rich? is a loaded question.

But you know all this bad form on your part. It is intentional and unhelpful

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LOL


Classic .


But hey you managed to kill another 30 minutes of empty time.

Just a few hours more and the night nurse will be bringing your COOKIES.

Hang tough !

Waco1947 said:

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If one were to ask "who are the rich?, he would be guilty of the fallacy of the complex question, if, in each case, the alternatives, as a matter of fact, were more numerous than, or were in any way different from, those stated in the question. The alternatives are more numerous than the question allows

The presupposition (who is rich?) is a proposition that is presumed to be acceptable to the respondent when the question is asked. The respondent becomes committed to this proposition when they give any direct answer. When a presupposition includes an admission of being wrong, it is called a "loaded question" and is a form of entrapment in legal trials or debates.

Who is rich? is a loaded question.

But you know all this bad form on your part. It is intentional and unhelpful

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Respectfully, that is all nonsense and, at a minimum, is not a complex question fallacy in response to your (remember that, you brought this up) initial statement that the rich do not pay their fair share unless your initial question is also a complex question (presupposing there are "rich" and that they do not pay their "fair share".

For YOUR declarative statement to have any meaning, you, as the claimant, must have a definition. Thus, the question is entirely valid.

Your second paragraph is nonsense cobbled together from the first two or three google hits for "loaded question", which again, is not applicable here.

What I think you are dancing around is the fact that there is no consistent "rich" person across the world or even the USA, thus making it impossible to determine what a "fair share" is.

Waco1947 said:

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nein51 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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303Bear said:

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nein51 said:

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Still waiting…

What is rich?
What is fair share?

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I wont speak for Waco, but based on my experience with liberals who make the claim he did, I posit the answers a follow:

"Rich"= anyone who makes more money and has nicer things that I do and which I want but cannot afford

"Fair Share" = the amount of tax that makes the "Rich" no better off than I am or can be redistributed so I can have the same things they do Straw man

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I'm still waiting
What is rich?
What is fair share?

I've asked no fewer than 4 times now. Still waiting.

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Impossible to answer. Salary, Assets, Wealth savings,

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So do you oppose abortion at all? At how many weeks should abortion be illegal? 38? 39? 40?

Waco1947 said:

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If one were to ask "who are the rich?, he would be guilty of the fallacy of the complex question, if, in each case, the alternatives, as a matter of fact, were more numerous than, or were in any way different from, those stated in the question. The alternatives are more numerous than the question allows

The presupposition (who is rich?) is a proposition that is presumed to be acceptable to the respondent when the question is asked. The respondent becomes committed to this proposition when they give any direct answer. When a presupposition includes an admission of being wrong, it is called a "loaded question" and is a form of entrapment in legal trials or debates.

Who is rich? is a loaded question.

But you know all this bad form on your part. It is intentional and unhelpful

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It's bad form sir but not on my part.

YOU said [para] "the rich don't pay their fair share". If you can't tell me what rich is then, by default, you can't tell me what their fair share is.

You're not making policy here. A wrong answer isn't going to make the world turn backwards.

You clearly believe the rich don't pay enough. If that's your belief I'm asking you to support that claim with YOUR DEFINITION of rich. Not what does your party think rich means, what do you, personally, the person who posted it…define as rich.

If you cannot tell me what rich means TO YOU then how can I (or anyone else) take your claim that they don't pay their fair seriously?

I didn't ask you who the rich are. I'm not trying to entrap you. I'm trying to draw a baseline for the reasonableness of your argument.

Ie if you said "people who make 500k should pay 50% in income taxes" I would vehemently disagree but at least I would know what you think someone's fair share should be. At this point you could be defining rich as someone making 50k and their fair share as 70% of their income. No way of knowing.

Canada2017 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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If one were to ask "who are the rich?, he would be guilty of the fallacy of the complex question, if, in each case, the alternatives, as a matter of fact, were more numerous than, or were in any way different from, those stated in the question. The alternatives are more numerous than the question allows

The presupposition (who is rich?) is a proposition that is presumed to be acceptable to the respondent when the question is asked. The respondent becomes committed to this proposition when they give any direct answer. When a presupposition includes an admission of being wrong, it is called a "loaded question" and is a form of entrapment in legal trials or debates.

Who is rich? is a loaded question.

But you know all this bad form on your part. It is intentional and unhelpful

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LOL


Classic .


But hey you managed to kill another 30 minutes of empty time.

Just a few hours more and the night nurse will be bringing your COOKIES.

Hang tough !

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So you simply brush off my analysis? Conservatives simply cannot engage in some kind of respectful and truth seeking. You simply want "make another liberal cry" and brag how you owned me. Maybe projection on my part so I may be wrong. I hate it you try to put words and thought in my mouth which are only made up stories.
Maybe I do the same to you for which I apologize. . Let me know if any of this is true

Waco1947 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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If one were to ask "who are the rich?, he would be guilty of the fallacy of the complex question, if, in each case, the alternatives, as a matter of fact, were more numerous than, or were in any way different from, those stated in the question. The alternatives are more numerous than the question allows

The presupposition (who is rich?) is a proposition that is presumed to be acceptable to the respondent when the question is asked. The respondent becomes committed to this proposition when they give any direct answer. When a presupposition includes an admission of being wrong, it is called a "loaded question" and is a form of entrapment in legal trials or debates.

Who is rich? is a loaded question.

But you know all this bad form on your part. It is intentional and unhelpful

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LOL


Classic .


But hey you managed to kill another 30 minutes of empty time.

Just a few hours more and the night nurse will be bringing your COOKIES.

Hang tough !

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So you simply brush off my analysis? Conservatives simply cannot engage in some kind of respectful and truth seeking. You simply want "make another liberal cry" and brag how you owned me. Maybe projection on my part so I may be wrong. I hate it you try to put words and thought in my mouth which are only made up stories.
Maybe I do the same to you for which I apologize. . Let me know if any of this is true

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You have never been interested in 'respectful truth seeking'. Have watched you spin around in endless circles with various posters for a long time . Never reaching a rational conclusion on any topic with anyone .

Wouldn't particularly care but you insist on assuming some kind of ethical and moral superiority.....which is ridiculous for a guy with your track record.

Canada2017 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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If one were to ask "who are the rich?, he would be guilty of the fallacy of the complex question, if, in each case, the alternatives, as a matter of fact, were more numerous than, or were in any way different from, those stated in the question. The alternatives are more numerous than the question allows

The presupposition (who is rich?) is a proposition that is presumed to be acceptable to the respondent when the question is asked. The respondent becomes committed to this proposition when they give any direct answer. When a presupposition includes an admission of being wrong, it is called a "loaded question" and is a form of entrapment in legal trials or debates.

Who is rich? is a loaded question.

But you know all this bad form on your part. It is intentional and unhelpful

---

LOL


Classic .


But hey you managed to kill another 30 minutes of empty time.

Just a few hours more and the night nurse will be bringing your COOKIES.

Hang tough !

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So you simply brush off my analysis? Conservatives simply cannot engage in some kind of respectful and truth seeking. You simply want "make another liberal cry" and brag how you owned me. Maybe projection on my part so I may be wrong. I hate it you try to put words and thought in my mouth which are only made up stories.
Maybe I do the same to you for which I apologize. . Let me know if any of this is true

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You have never been interested in 'respectful truth seeking'. Have watched you spin around in endless circles with various posters for a long time . Never have you ever reached a rational conclusion on any topic with anyone .

Wouldn't particularly care but you insist on assuming some kind of ethical and moral superiority.....which is ridiculous for a guy with your track record.

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Waco1947 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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If one were to ask "who are the rich?, he would be guilty of the fallacy of the complex question, if, in each case, the alternatives, as a matter of fact, were more numerous than, or were in any way different from, those stated in the question. The alternatives are more numerous than the question allows

The presupposition (who is rich?) is a proposition that is presumed to be acceptable to the respondent when the question is asked. The respondent becomes committed to this proposition when they give any direct answer. When a presupposition includes an admission of being wrong, it is called a "loaded question" and is a form of entrapment in legal trials or debates.

Who is rich? is a loaded question.

But you know all this bad form on your part. It is intentional and unhelpful

---

LOL


Classic .


But hey you managed to kill another 30 minutes of empty time.

Just a few hours more and the night nurse will be bringing your COOKIES.

Hang tough !

---

So you simply brush off my analysis? Conservatives simply cannot engage in some kind of respectful and truth seeking. You simply want "make another liberal cry" and brag how you owned me. Maybe projection on my part so I may be wrong. I hate it you try to put words and thought in my mouth which are only made up stories.
Maybe I do the same to you for which I apologize. . Let me know if any of this is true

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Do you favor any limits on baby killing? 38, 39, 40 weeks? Any limits?

Harrison Bergeron said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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If one were to ask "who are the rich?, he would be guilty of the fallacy of the complex question, if, in each case, the alternatives, as a matter of fact, were more numerous than, or were in any way different from, those stated in the question. The alternatives are more numerous than the question allows

The presupposition (who is rich?) is a proposition that is presumed to be acceptable to the respondent when the question is asked. The respondent becomes committed to this proposition when they give any direct answer. When a presupposition includes an admission of being wrong, it is called a "loaded question" and is a form of entrapment in legal trials or debates.

Who is rich? is a loaded question.

But you know all this bad form on your part. It is intentional and unhelpful

---

LOL


Classic .


But hey you managed to kill another 30 minutes of empty time.

Just a few hours more and the night nurse will be bringing your COOKIES.

Hang tough !

---

So you simply brush off my analysis? Conservatives simply cannot engage in some kind of respectful and truth seeking. You simply want "make another liberal cry" and brag how you owned me. Maybe projection on my part so I may be wrong. I hate it you try to put words and thought in my mouth which are only made up stories.
Maybe I do the same to you for which I apologize. . Let me know if any of this is true

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Do you favor any limits on baby killing? 38, 39, 40 weeks? Any limits?

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1) I don't believe in "baby killing."
2); you aren't interested in serious dialog with that kind of hyperbole. Murder or killing verbiage eliminates any discussion.

Waco1947 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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If one were to ask "who are the rich?, he would be guilty of the fallacy of the complex question, if, in each case, the alternatives, as a matter of fact, were more numerous than, or were in any way different from, those stated in the question. The alternatives are more numerous than the question allows

The presupposition (who is rich?) is a proposition that is presumed to be acceptable to the respondent when the question is asked. The respondent becomes committed to this proposition when they give any direct answer. When a presupposition includes an admission of being wrong, it is called a "loaded question" and is a form of entrapment in legal trials or debates.

Who is rich? is a loaded question.

But you know all this bad form on your part. It is intentional and unhelpful

---

LOL


Classic .


But hey you managed to kill another 30 minutes of empty time.

Just a few hours more and the night nurse will be bringing your COOKIES.

Hang tough !

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So you simply brush off my analysis? Conservatives simply cannot engage in some kind of respectful and truth seeking. You simply want "make another liberal cry" and brag how you owned me. Maybe projection on my part so I may be wrong. I hate it you try to put words and thought in my mouth which are only made up stories.
Maybe I do the same to you for which I apologize. . Let me know if any of this is true

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I don't think saying "owned me" is allowed anymore. Your lack of sensitivity to the oppressed is disgraceful

The nonsense of right wing "dialog
Harrison Bergeron said:


Do you favor any limits on baby killing? 38, 39, 40 weeks? Any limits?
Canada said " Have watched you spin around in endless circles with various posters for a long time . Never reaching a rational conclusion on any topic with anyone .

Wouldn't particularly care but you insist on assuming some kind of ethical and moral superiority.....which is ridiculous for a guy with your track record."
Old bear1983 " if you are Racist and hate America. Vote Republican if you support the Constitution and want our children to grow up free and prosperous."
L B,MR BEARS Does he not know how to play dominoes?
For now these are demeaning, demonizing comments it get.
I am sure wang Ching and 4th and inches will chime.

Waco1947 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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If one were to ask "who are the rich?, he would be guilty of the fallacy of the complex question, if, in each case, the alternatives, as a matter of fact, were more numerous than, or were in any way different from, those stated in the question. The alternatives are more numerous than the question allows

The presupposition (who is rich?) is a proposition that is presumed to be acceptable to the respondent when the question is asked. The respondent becomes committed to this proposition when they give any direct answer. When a presupposition includes an admission of being wrong, it is called a "loaded question" and is a form of entrapment in legal trials or debates.

Who is rich? is a loaded question.

But you know all this bad form on your part. It is intentional and unhelpful

---

LOL


Classic .


But hey you managed to kill another 30 minutes of empty time.

Just a few hours more and the night nurse will be bringing your COOKIES.

Hang tough !

---

So you simply brush off my analysis? Conservatives simply cannot engage in some kind of respectful and truth seeking. You simply want "make another liberal cry" and brag how you owned me. Maybe projection on my part so I may be wrong. I hate it you try to put words and thought in my mouth which are only made up stories.
Maybe I do the same to you for which I apologize. . Let me know if any of this is true

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Do you favor any limits on baby killing? 38, 39, 40 weeks? Any limits?

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1) I don't believe in "baby killing."
2). Forget 2); you aren't interested in serious dialog with that kind of hyperbole. Murder or killing verbiage eliminates any discussion.

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people who kill a pregnant person can get charged for two manslaughters/murders. If the "fetus" isnt a life, how can somebody be charged in their death?

You dance around the wording to fit your narrative. You dont want a conversation.

4th and Inches said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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If one were to ask "who are the rich?, he would be guilty of the fallacy of the complex question, if, in each case, the alternatives, as a matter of fact, were more numerous than, or were in any way different from, those stated in the question. The alternatives are more numerous than the question allows

The presupposition (who is rich?) is a proposition that is presumed to be acceptable to the respondent when the question is asked. The respondent becomes committed to this proposition when they give any direct answer. When a presupposition includes an admission of being wrong, it is called a "loaded question" and is a form of entrapment in legal trials or debates.

Who is rich? is a loaded question.

But you know all this bad form on your part. It is intentional and unhelpful

---

LOL


Classic .


But hey you managed to kill another 30 minutes of empty time.

Just a few hours more and the night nurse will be bringing your COOKIES.

Hang tough !

---

So you simply brush off my analysis? Conservatives simply cannot engage in some kind of respectful and truth seeking. You simply want "make another liberal cry" and brag how you owned me. Maybe projection on my part so I may be wrong. I hate it you try to put words and thought in my mouth which are only made up stories.
Maybe I do the same to you for which I apologize. . Let me know if any of this is true

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Do you favor any limits on baby killing? 38, 39, 40 weeks? Any limits?

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1) I don't believe in "baby killing."
2). Forget 2); you aren't interested in serious dialog with that kind of hyperbole. Murder or killing verbiage eliminates any discussion.

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people who kill a pregnant person can get charged for two manslaughters/murders. If the "fetus" isnt a life, how can somebody be charged in their death?

You dance around the wording to fit your narrative. You dont want a conversation.

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Imagine stepping on a viable eagle egg

4th and Inches said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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If one were to ask "who are the rich?, he would be guilty of the fallacy of the complex question, if, in each case, the alternatives, as a matter of fact, were more numerous than, or were in any way different from, those stated in the question. The alternatives are more numerous than the question allows

The presupposition (who is rich?) is a proposition that is presumed to be acceptable to the respondent when the question is asked. The respondent becomes committed to this proposition when they give any direct answer. When a presupposition includes an admission of being wrong, it is called a "loaded question" and is a form of entrapment in legal trials or debates.

Who is rich? is a loaded question.

But you know all this bad form on your part. It is intentional and unhelpful

---

LOL


Classic .


But hey you managed to kill another 30 minutes of empty time.

Just a few hours more and the night nurse will be bringing your COOKIES.

Hang tough !

---

So you simply brush off my analysis? Conservatives simply cannot engage in some kind of respectful and truth seeking. You simply want "make another liberal cry" and brag how you owned me. Maybe projection on my part so I may be wrong. I hate it you try to put words and thought in my mouth which are only made up stories.
Maybe I do the same to you for which I apologize. . Let me know if any of this is true

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Do you favor any limits on baby killing? 38, 39, 40 weeks? Any limits?

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1) I don't believe in "baby killing."
2). Forget 2); you aren't interested in serious dialog with that kind of hyperbole. Murder or killing verbiage eliminates any discussion.

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people who kill a pregnant person can get charged for two manslaughters/murders. If the "fetus" isnt a life, how can somebody be charged in their death?

You dance around the wording to fit your narrative. You dont want a conversation.

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Because a gop legislature passed a law with no regard for a woman's right to health care choices. No matter which government- federal, state, or local (see Dr Oz) belongs in a doctors office. The government has no right to supposedly representing a government's right to protect "a innocent life". It's a noble goal but cannot deal with with all the contingencies of pregnancy. The gop has caught off guard by those same contingencies and are baffled.

Waco1947 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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If one were to ask "who are the rich?, he would be guilty of the fallacy of the complex question, if, in each case, the alternatives, as a matter of fact, were more numerous than, or were in any way different from, those stated in the question. The alternatives are more numerous than the question allows

The presupposition (who is rich?) is a proposition that is presumed to be acceptable to the respondent when the question is asked. The respondent becomes committed to this proposition when they give any direct answer. When a presupposition includes an admission of being wrong, it is called a "loaded question" and is a form of entrapment in legal trials or debates.

Who is rich? is a loaded question.

But you know all this bad form on your part. It is intentional and unhelpful

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LOL


Classic .


But hey you managed to kill another 30 minutes of empty time.

Just a few hours more and the night nurse will be bringing your COOKIES.

Hang tough !

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So you simply brush off my analysis? Conservatives simply cannot engage in some kind of respectful and truth seeking. You simply want "make another liberal cry" and brag how you owned me. Maybe projection on my part so I may be wrong. I hate it you try to put words and thought in my mouth which are only made up stories.
Maybe I do the same to you for which I apologize. . Let me know if any of this is true

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Do you favor any limits on baby killing? 38, 39, 40 weeks? Any limits?

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1) I don't believe in "baby killing."
2). Forget 2); you aren't interested in serious dialog with that kind of hyperbole. Murder or killing verbiage eliminates any discussion.

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So you oppose abortion.

This is not hard - tell us what you believe. Should women be able to murder their babies and if so do you support any limits or is post-birth abortion your style.

So why do you refuse to answer?

Do you support any restrictions on abortion or not? If yes, what are they?

Harrison Bergeron said:

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So why do you refuse to answer?

Do you support any restrictions on abortion or not? If yes, what are they?

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I am not qualified to answer that medical/mother decision. Are you?

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If one were to ask "who are the rich?, he would be guilty of the fallacy of the complex question, if, in each case, the alternatives, as a matter of fact, were more numerous than, or were in any way different from, those stated in the question. The alternatives are more numerous than the question allows

The presupposition (who is rich?) is a proposition that is presumed to be acceptable to the respondent when the question is asked. The respondent becomes committed to this proposition when they give any direct answer. When a presupposition includes an admission of being wrong, it is called a "loaded question" and is a form of entrapment in legal trials or debates.

Who is rich? is a loaded question.

But you know all this bad form on your part. It is intentional and unhelpful

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LOL


Classic .


But hey you managed to kill another 30 minutes of empty time.

Just a few hours more and the night nurse will be bringing your COOKIES.

Hang tough !

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So you simply brush off my analysis? Conservatives simply cannot engage in some kind of respectful and truth seeking. You simply want "make another liberal cry" and brag how you owned me. Maybe projection on my part so I may be wrong. I hate it you try to put words and thought in my mouth which are only made up stories.
Maybe I do the same to you for which I apologize. . Let me know if any of this is true

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Do you favor any limits on baby killing? 38, 39, 40 weeks? Any limits?

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1) I don't believe in "baby killing."
2). Forget 2); you aren't interested in serious dialog with that kind of hyperbole. Murder or killing verbiage eliminates any discussion.

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So you oppose abortion.Yes I oppose it.

This is not hard - tell us what you believe. Should women be able to murder their babies and if so do you support any limits or is post-birth abortion your style.

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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So why do you refuse to answer?

Do you support any restrictions on abortion or not? If yes, what are they?

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I am not qualified to answer that medical/mother decision. Are you?

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It's a moral life decision, but I agree that you, Waco, are not qualified to make the right call in such situations.

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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So why do you refuse to answer?

Do you support any restrictions on abortion or not? If yes, what are they?

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I am not qualified to answer that medical/mother decision. Are you?

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I appreciate you response. I honestly don't know how to square your opposition with your seeming support.

Yes. I am absolutely qualified to have an opinion. Having a vagina or being a mother does not provide unique insight. That's like saying only landowning taxpayers should vote. Our system does not work that way. We constantly weigh in on legal and moral questions that may not directly affect us.

Harrison Bergeron said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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So why do you refuse to answer?

Do you support any restrictions on abortion or not? If yes, what are they?

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I am not qualified to answer that medical/mother decision. Are you?

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I appreciate you response. I honestly don't know how to square your opposition with your seeming support.

Yes. I am absolutely qualified to have an opinion. Having a vagina or being a mother does not provide unique insight. That's like saying only landowning taxpayers should vote. Our system does not work that way. We constantly weigh in on legal and moral questions that may not directly affect us.

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Legal and moral yes but a woman's health decision No

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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So why do you refuse to answer?

Do you support any restrictions on abortion or not? If yes, what are they?

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I am not qualified to answer that medical/mother decision. Are you?

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I appreciate you response. I honestly don't know how to square your opposition with your seeming support.

Yes. I am absolutely qualified to have an opinion. Having a vagina or being a mother does not provide unique insight. That's like saying only landowning taxpayers should vote. Our system does not work that way. We constantly weigh in on legal and moral questions that may not directly affect us.

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Legal and moral yes but a woman's health decision No

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Nope. I am as qualified as anyone, male or female, to have an opinion on a woman's heath decision just as much as I can have an opinion on a man's health decision or a child's health decision.

If you don't like it, I can just say I am a woman on days that start with "T" and you really don't have any right to criticize.

Abortion is a "health decision" for two or more people, it is not simply a "woman's health decision."

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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So why do you refuse to answer?

Do you support any restrictions on abortion or not? If yes, what are they?

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I am not qualified to answer that medical/mother decision. Are you?

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I appreciate you response. I honestly don't know how to square your opposition with your seeming support.

Yes. I am absolutely qualified to have an opinion. Having a vagina or being a mother does not provide unique insight. That's like saying only landowning taxpayers should vote. Our system does not work that way. We constantly weigh in on legal and moral questions that may not directly affect us.

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Legal and moral yes but a woman's health decision No

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I genuinely don't know if you're naive or just wedded to Talking Points. That's not how legislation and regulations work. Your position seems to be only people affected by a policy should have a voice, which I suspect is not true. I suppose you do not believe only those that pay federal income tax should vote in federal elections. That's not how any of this works.

Do you favor completely unregulated medical care where doctors and patients can do anything or is this a special case.

Harrison Bergeron said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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So why do you refuse to answer?

Do you support any restrictions on abortion or not? If yes, what are they?

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I am not qualified to answer that medical/mother decision. Are you?

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I appreciate you response. I honestly don't know how to square your opposition with your seeming support.

Yes. I am absolutely qualified to have an opinion. Having a vagina or being a mother does not provide unique insight. That's like saying only landowning taxpayers should vote. Our system does not work that way. We constantly weigh in on legal and moral questions that may not directly affect us.

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Legal and moral yes but a woman's health decision No

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I genuinely don't know if you're naive or just wedded to Talking Points. That's not how legislation and regulations work. Your position seems to be only people affected by a policy should have a voice, which I suspect is not true. I suppose you do not believe only those that pay federal income tax should vote in federal elections. That's not how any of this works.

Do you favor completely unregulated medical care where doctors and patients can do anything or is this a special case.

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Red herring. Regulation is your word not mine. It's a rights issue as in Right to Privacy.