That changed rather quickly

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ShooterTX
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I still remember when people used to say that no one is talking about kids having sex change surgeries or sex altering hormones. It was so, so long ago... like 5-8 months ago.

Now we have the braindead POTUS saying that we need to insure that children have access to destructive, life altering surgeries and hormones.

Slippery slope gave way to the effing cliff!


ShooterTX
Canada2017
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ShooterTX said:


I still remember when people used to say that no one is talking about kids having sex change surgeries or sex altering hormones. It was so, so long ago... like 5-8 months ago.

Now we have the braindead POTUS saying that we need to insure that children have access to destructive, life altering surgeries and hormones.

Slippery slope gave way to the effing cliff!



Yep


Our woke administration has absolutely lost its mind .
Harrison Bergeron
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This is an issue I really cannot understand. I am not sure anyone actually supports this, but the average progressive seems afraid to speak up. It's truly amazing how fast we have gotten to this point. It defies logic, common sense, and most importantly t'science.

The entire trans obsession makes zero sense.
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Harrison Bergeron said:

This is an issue I really cannot understand. I am not sure anyone actually supports this, but the average progressive seems afraid to speak up. It's truly amazing how fast we have gotten to this point. It defies logic, common sense, and most importantly t'science.

The entire trans obsession makes zero sense.
Supposedly centrist Dems won't speak out for two reasons:

1.) They like that it's being used against their political opposition.

2.) They know if they speak out, the media bubble will assassinate their character and blacklist them.
Johnny Bear
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At this point you have to be dumber than a box of rocks or otherwise brain dead yourself not to realize that our dementia stricken so-called POTUS has been and is being thoroughly handled by radical leftists. He is totally being "programmed" about what to say, what to think, how to act, etc. I'm convinced if they ordered him to personally become a trannie himself to demonstrate "equity, diversity and inclusion" he'd do it.
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Doc Holliday said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

This is an issue I really cannot understand. I am not sure anyone actually supports this, but the average progressive seems afraid to speak up. It's truly amazing how fast we have gotten to this point. It defies logic, common sense, and most importantly t'science.

The entire trans obsession makes zero sense.
Supposedly centrist Dems won't speak out for two reasons:

1.) They like that it's being used against their political opposition.

2.) They know if they speak out, the media bubble will assassinate their character and blacklist them.
Their silence is deafening.
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ShooterTX said:


I still remember when people used to say that no one is talking about kids having sex change surgeries or sex altering hormones. It was so, so long ago... like 5-8 months ago.

Now we have the braindead POTUS saying that we need to insure that children have access to destructive, life altering surgeries and hormones.

Slippery slope gave way to the effing cliff!



What the hell is "gender affirming healthcare"

Does she mean when an immature, likely mentally ill minor child, is having their testicals and ***** cut off so they can affirm their very likely mental instability.

It is an actual crime to allow a minor child to do this mutilation to themselves.
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Forest Bueller_bf said:

ShooterTX said:


I still remember when people used to say that no one is talking about kids having sex change surgeries or sex altering hormones. It was so, so long ago... like 5-8 months ago.

Now we have the braindead POTUS saying that we need to insure that children have access to destructive, life altering surgeries and hormones.

Slippery slope gave way to the effing cliff!



What the hell is "gender affirming healthcare"

Does she mean when an immature, likely mentally ill minor child, is having their testicals and ***** cut off so they can affirm their very likely mental instability.

It is an actual crime to allow a minor child to do this mutilation to themselves.


That's a homosexual man pretending to be a woman.


https://www.yaf.org/news/biden-invited-man-who-identifies-as-little-girl-to-discuss-trans-issues-at-the-white-house/



Porteroso
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To think that an 8 year old, who cannot legally have sex or even look at another naked human being, could have the intellectual and/or sexual maturity to understand whether having adults cut organs off their body is a good idea or not, is beyond the pale.

It is adults forever raping the sexuality of a child. No child can consent to such a thing, so of course it is adults deciding this for their own children.

Of course this is barely happening at all, because even if you want to be politically correct, few are so braindead.

Still, it is abhorrent that the President is encouraging child exploitation in such a way. It is one thing to support your child no matter what they think of gender, gender norms, and what pronouns they like at any given hour of the day (some change pronouns based upon the moon and body chemistry....).

It is another to gather a group of adults together to hack off your child's body parts and force hormones upon their brain.
Fre3dombear
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Did he sniff em?
nein51
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Once is one time too many.
Harrison Bergeron
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Porteroso said:

To think that an 8 year old, who cannot legally have sex or even look at another naked human being, could have the intellectual and/or sexual maturity to understand whether having adults cut organs off their body is a good idea or not, is beyond the pale.

It is adults forever raping the sexuality of a child. No child can consent to such a thing, so of course it is adults deciding this for their own children.

Of course this is barely happening at all, because even if you want to be politically correct, few are so braindead.

Still, it is abhorrent that the President is encouraging child exploitation in such a way. It is one thing to support your child no matter what they think of gender, gender norms, and what pronouns they like at any given hour of the day (some change pronouns based upon the moon and body chemistry....).

It is another to gather a group of adults together to hack off your child's body parts and force hormones upon their brain.
You are genuinely my favorite poster on the board. I always appreciate your perspective because even when we disagree you're clearly not a partisan troll.

You said exactly what I think me and other reasonable, intelligent adults think. I honestly feel like I am living in a Bizarro World when actual medical professionals believe this is okay. If there is an obvious sign that medicine has become purely political, this is a perfect example. It should be criminal that this is allowed to occur.

We have generally consist age of consent laws that are much older than eight years old. To think even a teenager should be able to permanently mutilate themselves is crazy in response to a mental illness is unbelievable. Also amazing is how caviler is the attitude of so many of the special interest groups - it is not like we really any significant long-term data on the impacts of pharmaceutical or surgical "interventions."

The growth in child mutilation has grown exponentially during the past few years with the full support of the medical establishment and the extreme wokies, who dominate the cultural power. The fact that well regarded teaching hospitals support this is a tragedy, and the victims will be paying for it the rest of their lives.
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Porteroso said:

To think that an 8 year old, who cannot legally have sex or even look at another naked human being, could have the intellectual and/or sexual maturity to understand whether having adults cut organs off their body is a good idea or not, is beyond the pale.

It is adults forever raping the sexuality of a child. No child can consent to such a thing, so of course it is adults deciding this for their own children.

Of course this is barely happening at all, because even if you want to be politically correct, few are so braindead.

Still, it is abhorrent that the President is encouraging child exploitation in such a way. It is one thing to support your child no matter what they think of gender, gender norms, and what pronouns they like at any given hour of the day (some change pronouns based upon the moon and body chemistry....).

It is another to gather a group of adults together to hack off your child's body parts and force hormones upon their brain.
Sadly there are probably some within the medical field for whom this is a money maker decision as well.
Harrison Bergeron
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90sBear said:

Porteroso said:

To think that an 8 year old, who cannot legally have sex or even look at another naked human being, could have the intellectual and/or sexual maturity to understand whether having adults cut organs off their body is a good idea or not, is beyond the pale.

It is adults forever raping the sexuality of a child. No child can consent to such a thing, so of course it is adults deciding this for their own children.

Of course this is barely happening at all, because even if you want to be politically correct, few are so braindead.

Still, it is abhorrent that the President is encouraging child exploitation in such a way. It is one thing to support your child no matter what they think of gender, gender norms, and what pronouns they like at any given hour of the day (some change pronouns based upon the moon and body chemistry....).

It is another to gather a group of adults together to hack off your child's body parts and force hormones upon their brain.
Sadly there are probably some within the medical field for whom this is a money maker decision as well.
Someone posted a video from a meeting at Vanderbilt Medical School. You're correct - the person talked about how profitable this section is for the school.
Porteroso
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Harrison Bergeron said:

90sBear said:

Porteroso said:

To think that an 8 year old, who cannot legally have sex or even look at another naked human being, could have the intellectual and/or sexual maturity to understand whether having adults cut organs off their body is a good idea or not, is beyond the pale.

It is adults forever raping the sexuality of a child. No child can consent to such a thing, so of course it is adults deciding this for their own children.

Of course this is barely happening at all, because even if you want to be politically correct, few are so braindead.

Still, it is abhorrent that the President is encouraging child exploitation in such a way. It is one thing to support your child no matter what they think of gender, gender norms, and what pronouns they like at any given hour of the day (some change pronouns based upon the moon and body chemistry....).

It is another to gather a group of adults together to hack off your child's body parts and force hormones upon their brain.
Sadly there are probably some within the medical field for whom this is a money maker decision as well.
Someone posted a video from a meeting at Vanderbilt Medical School. You're correct - the person talked about how profitable this section is for the school.

Thats disgusting, I entirely agree.
whiterock
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Porteroso said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

90sBear said:

Porteroso said:

To think that an 8 year old, who cannot legally have sex or even look at another naked human being, could have the intellectual and/or sexual maturity to understand whether having adults cut organs off their body is a good idea or not, is beyond the pale.

It is adults forever raping the sexuality of a child. No child can consent to such a thing, so of course it is adults deciding this for their own children.

Of course this is barely happening at all, because even if you want to be politically correct, few are so braindead.

Still, it is abhorrent that the President is encouraging child exploitation in such a way. It is one thing to support your child no matter what they think of gender, gender norms, and what pronouns they like at any given hour of the day (some change pronouns based upon the moon and body chemistry....).

It is another to gather a group of adults together to hack off your child's body parts and force hormones upon their brain.
Sadly there are probably some within the medical field for whom this is a money maker decision as well.
Someone posted a video from a meeting at Vanderbilt Medical School. You're correct - the person talked about how profitable this section is for the school.

Thats disgusting, I entirely agree.

Hospitals are money pits. Enormously unprofitable. Ergo the allure of the reassignment surgery industry.
Canada2017
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whiterock said:

Porteroso said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

90sBear said:

Porteroso said:

To think that an 8 year old, who cannot legally have sex or even look at another naked human being, could have the intellectual and/or sexual maturity to understand whether having adults cut organs off their body is a good idea or not, is beyond the pale.

It is adults forever raping the sexuality of a child. No child can consent to such a thing, so of course it is adults deciding this for their own children.

Of course this is barely happening at all, because even if you want to be politically correct, few are so braindead.

Still, it is abhorrent that the President is encouraging child exploitation in such a way. It is one thing to support your child no matter what they think of gender, gender norms, and what pronouns they like at any given hour of the day (some change pronouns based upon the moon and body chemistry....).

It is another to gather a group of adults together to hack off your child's body parts and force hormones upon their brain.
Sadly there are probably some within the medical field for whom this is a money maker decision as well.
Someone posted a video from a meeting at Vanderbilt Medical School. You're correct - the person talked about how profitable this section is for the school.

Thats disgusting, I entirely agree.

Hospitals are money pits. Enormously unprofitable. Ergo the allure of the reassignment surgery industry.
Interesting point .
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Unless I'm missing something (and please correct me if I am), the practice of providing physical remedies for mental maladies has fallen out of practice. There was a time where we treated different forms of mental illness with lobotomies. The development of pharmaceuticals rendered that procedure barbaric.

Because we refuse to classify this social epidemic as what it is, a passing fad, a form of mental illness, or just typical childhood confusion about feelings and our bodies, we're being told that the only course of action is the barbaric mutilation of healthy functioning body parts.

These are life altering choices that cannot be taken back. Very little long term data exists to show improved mental stability and contentedness with those who have transitioned. In fact, I've heard more stories from people in their 20s and 30s who regret those decisions and now live in constant pain and shame while struggling through their attempts at intimacy.

No one is looking to outlaw top or bottom surgeries for consenting adults. It's your body. If you want to surgically mutilate it, that's up to you. The only area where people are looking to ban the process is in regards to minors. Therefore, Joe's statement makes it clear that he believes it is a moral good to mutilate these children.

That is an inexcusable position for the President of the United States to hold.

Sic Everyone.
Harrison Bergeron
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FormerFlash said:

Unless I'm missing something (and please correct me if I am), the practice of providing physical remedies for mental maladies has fallen out of practice. There was a time where we treated different forms of mental illness with lobotomies. The development of pharmaceuticals rendered that procedure barbaric.

Because we refuse to classify this social epidemic as what it is, a passing fad, a form of mental illness, or just typical childhood confusion about feelings and our bodies, we're being told that the only course of action is the barbaric mutilation of healthy functioning body parts.

These are life altering choices that cannot be taken back. Very little long term data exists to show improved mental stability and contentedness with those who have transitioned. In fact, I've heard more stories from people in their 20s and 30s who regret those decisions and now live in constant pain and shame while struggling through their attempts at intimacy.

No one is looking to outlaw top or bottom surgeries for consenting adults. It's your body. If you want to surgically mutilate it, that's up to you. The only area where people are looking to ban the process is in regards to minors. Therefore, Joe's statement makes it clear that he believes it is a moral good to mutilate these children.

That is an inexcusable position for the President of the United States to hold.


Correct. Up until five minutes ago first-step therapy for mental illness was not unproven, off-label medication regimens and mutilation surgery. If a child said "I hate my arm," we would not allow that chance to get a medically unnecessary amputation.

The old protocols worked fine and made sense:
- No minors
- Require adults to live two years as the opposite sex to ensure they were emotionally and mentally comfortable and content with plenty of time to change their mind

Gender confusion is a mental illness. Some will grow out of it naturally, some will discover through therapy they're simply homosexual, and a tiny few will transition in dress and a smaller few will medically transition. Like literally ever other medical protocol, start with the easiest, least damaging option first and proceed after each step fails.

It's already happening a some in the U.S. but more in Europe - massive regret from irreversibly mutilated pharmacologically or surgically based on a passing childhood fad. This is will a key gaslighting issue in five years where the wokeys will pretend it was conservatives advocating for this grotesque practice.

We should protect the most vulnerable for evil social influence from insane teachers, nutty parents, and TikTok videos.
ShooterTX
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I thought I would add these helpful PSA videos for anyone who is confused.

It's just science...





ShooterTX
Jack Bauer
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The state bans minors from tattoos, cigarettes, alcohol, p-rn shops, guns, strip clubs, driving, voting, R-rated movies, renting a car, working in many conditions....but who are we to tell kids if they want to remove their bre@sts.
Redbrickbear
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Harrison Bergeron said:

90sBear said:

Porteroso said:

To think that an 8 year old, who cannot legally have sex or even look at another naked human being, could have the intellectual and/or sexual maturity to understand whether having adults cut organs off their body is a good idea or not, is beyond the pale.

It is adults forever raping the sexuality of a child. No child can consent to such a thing, so of course it is adults deciding this for their own children.

Of course this is barely happening at all, because even if you want to be politically correct, few are so braindead.

Still, it is abhorrent that the President is encouraging child exploitation in such a way. It is one thing to support your child no matter what they think of gender, gender norms, and what pronouns they like at any given hour of the day (some change pronouns based upon the moon and body chemistry....).

It is another to gather a group of adults together to hack off your child's body parts and force hormones upon their brain.
Sadly there are probably some within the medical field for whom this is a money maker decision as well.
Someone posted a video from a meeting at Vanderbilt Medical School. You're correct - the person talked about how profitable this section is for the school.
Yep,

At 1:33 she talks about it quote "makes a lot of money...these surgeries make a lot of money"

Harrison Bergeron
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Jack Bauer said:

The state bans minors from tattoos, cigarettes, alcohol, p-rn shops, guns, strip clubs, driving, voting, R-rated movies, renting a car, working in many conditions....but who are we to tell kids if they want to remove their bre@sts.
I have commented to people multiple times - in Texas I cannot get my 17-year-old daughter a tattoo, but I could get her a pienies.
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Canada2017 said:

whiterock said:

Porteroso said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

90sBear said:

Porteroso said:

To think that an 8 year old, who cannot legally have sex or even look at another naked human being, could have the intellectual and/or sexual maturity to understand whether having adults cut organs off their body is a good idea or not, is beyond the pale.

It is adults forever raping the sexuality of a child. No child can consent to such a thing, so of course it is adults deciding this for their own children.

Of course this is barely happening at all, because even if you want to be politically correct, few are so braindead.

Still, it is abhorrent that the President is encouraging child exploitation in such a way. It is one thing to support your child no matter what they think of gender, gender norms, and what pronouns they like at any given hour of the day (some change pronouns based upon the moon and body chemistry....).

It is another to gather a group of adults together to hack off your child's body parts and force hormones upon their brain.
Sadly there are probably some within the medical field for whom this is a money maker decision as well.
Someone posted a video from a meeting at Vanderbilt Medical School. You're correct - the person talked about how profitable this section is for the school.

Thats disgusting, I entirely agree.

Hospitals are money pits. Enormously unprofitable. Ergo the allure of the reassignment surgery industry.
Interesting point .
50 years ago, the GP and pediatricians had their own offices. Nearly all the specialists officed in the hospitals or hospital annexes. Those days are gone.

Today, hospitals are big, bureaucratic, overhead heavy buildings where (mostly) old people on Medicare/Medicaid go to die, or Medicaid. The more profitable parts of medicine - outpatient procedures - done on people who mostly have good insurance, have mostly moved to small specialty facilities run by physician-owners, tailored not for all surgical needs but for the specific uses of the specialists who will use it. Think about it.....have a heart cath? at a surgery center owned by the cardio practice. Have a lithotrypsy? Done in a surgery center. Bladder cath? Done right in the urologist office. Need a colonoscopy? In-office procedure, even with polyp removal. Need some bone spurs shaved off? Office procedure. Need an MRI or other special imaging? Surgery center owned by radiology practice.

What drove it? Business pressures.

The old adage about dairymen applies to doctors - there is no paid vacation. Any day a dairyman doesn't touch a tit is a day he doesn't get paid. Similarly, a doctor who don't touch a patient today doesn't get paid. BUT. They can move their practice into a building they own. They can move their surgeries into a surgery center they own. And if they don't work today....well, at least they get some rent. And when they retire....they scale back the number of days they practice.....then they sell their shares in the medical practice. They can collect rent for a while on the two buildings. Then they can sell their share of the building housing the practice. Later on, they can sell their share of the building housing the surgery center. etc.... Retirement for them doesn't have to be a threshold. It's a phased withdrawal.

In other words: Specialty medicine has sucked the most profitable parts of medicine out of hospitals, leaving hospitals with (mostly) all the dreadful stuff nobody can make any money doing, in a huge building full of bureaucrats enforcing govt regulations on medicine.

One of the more obscure objectives of Obamacare was to drive specialty medicine back into the hospitals. I know a couple of younger physicians who sold their practice and went to work for the hospital in order to get seniority. Their reasoning was "don't fight city hall"....the trend was inevitable, so get there first. Hasn't exactly worked out that way, but it highlights the issue.


Harrison Bergeron
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whiterock said:

Canada2017 said:

whiterock said:

Porteroso said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

90sBear said:

Porteroso said:

To think that an 8 year old, who cannot legally have sex or even look at another naked human being, could have the intellectual and/or sexual maturity to understand whether having adults cut organs off their body is a good idea or not, is beyond the pale.

It is adults forever raping the sexuality of a child. No child can consent to such a thing, so of course it is adults deciding this for their own children.

Of course this is barely happening at all, because even if you want to be politically correct, few are so braindead.

Still, it is abhorrent that the President is encouraging child exploitation in such a way. It is one thing to support your child no matter what they think of gender, gender norms, and what pronouns they like at any given hour of the day (some change pronouns based upon the moon and body chemistry....).

It is another to gather a group of adults together to hack off your child's body parts and force hormones upon their brain.
Sadly there are probably some within the medical field for whom this is a money maker decision as well.
Someone posted a video from a meeting at Vanderbilt Medical School. You're correct - the person talked about how profitable this section is for the school.

Thats disgusting, I entirely agree.

Hospitals are money pits. Enormously unprofitable. Ergo the allure of the reassignment surgery industry.
Interesting point .
50 years ago, the GP and pediatricians had their own offices. Nearly all the specialists officed in the hospitals or hospital annexes. Those days are gone.

Today, hospitals are big, bureaucratic, overhead heavy buildings where (mostly) old people on Medicare/Medicaid go to die, or Medicaid. The more profitable parts of medicine - outpatient procedures - done on people who mostly have good insurance, have mostly moved to small specialty facilities run by physician-owners, tailored not for all surgical needs but for the specific uses of the specialists who will use it. Think about it.....have a heart cath? at a surgery center owned by the cardio practice. Have a lithotrypsy? Done in a surgery center. Bladder cath? Done right in the urologist office. Need a colonoscopy? In-office procedure, even with polyp removal. Need some bone spurs shaved off? Office procedure. Need an MRI or other special imaging? Surgery center owned by radiology practice.

What drove it? Business pressures.

The old adage about dairymen applies to doctors - there is no paid vacation. Any day a dairyman doesn't touch a tit is a day he doesn't get paid. Similarly, a doctor who don't touch a patient today doesn't get paid. BUT. They can move their practice into a building they own. They can move their surgeries into a surgery center they own. And if they don't work today....well, at least they get some rent. And when they retire....they scale back the number of days they practice.....then they sell their shares in the medical practice. They can collect rent for a while on the two buildings. Then they can sell their share of the building housing the practice. Later on, they can sell their share of the building housing the surgery center. etc.... Retirement for them doesn't have to be a threshold. It's a phased withdrawal.

In other words: Specialty medicine has sucked the most profitable parts of medicine out of hospitals, leaving hospitals with (mostly) all the dreadful stuff nobody can make any money doing, in a huge building full of bureaucrats enforcing govt regulations on medicine.

One of the more obscure objectives of Obamacare was to drive specialty medicine back into the hospitals. I know a couple of younger physicians who sold their practice and went to work for the hospital in order to get seniority. Their reasoning was "don't fight city hall"....the trend was inevitable, so get there first. Hasn't exactly worked out that way, but it highlights the issue.
In fairness, also a function of innovation. Technological innovations have made surgeries and other complicated medical conditions "relatively" simpler, which has made easier to do complicated procedures in outpatient settings. Not to quibble with your overall point that hospitals have largely become emergency medicine and death centers.
Canada2017
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whiterock said:

Canada2017 said:

whiterock said:

Porteroso said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

90sBear said:

Porteroso said:

To think that an 8 year old, who cannot legally have sex or even look at another naked human being, could have the intellectual and/or sexual maturity to understand whether having adults cut organs off their body is a good idea or not, is beyond the pale.

It is adults forever raping the sexuality of a child. No child can consent to such a thing, so of course it is adults deciding this for their own children.

Of course this is barely happening at all, because even if you want to be politically correct, few are so braindead.

Still, it is abhorrent that the President is encouraging child exploitation in such a way. It is one thing to support your child no matter what they think of gender, gender norms, and what pronouns they like at any given hour of the day (some change pronouns based upon the moon and body chemistry....).

It is another to gather a group of adults together to hack off your child's body parts and force hormones upon their brain.
Sadly there are probably some within the medical field for whom this is a money maker decision as well.
Someone posted a video from a meeting at Vanderbilt Medical School. You're correct - the person talked about how profitable this section is for the school.

Thats disgusting, I entirely agree.

Hospitals are money pits. Enormously unprofitable. Ergo the allure of the reassignment surgery industry.
Interesting point .
50 years ago, the GP and pediatricians had their own offices. Nearly all the specialists officed in the hospitals or hospital annexes. Those days are gone.

Today, hospitals are big, bureaucratic, overhead heavy buildings where (mostly) old people on Medicare/Medicaid go to die, or Medicaid. The more profitable parts of medicine - outpatient procedures - done on people who mostly have good insurance, have mostly moved to small specialty facilities run by physician-owners, tailored not for all surgical needs but for the specific uses of the specialists who will use it. Think about it.....have a heart cath? at a surgery center owned by the cardio practice. Have a lithotrypsy? Done in a surgery center. Bladder cath? Done right in the urologist office. Need a colonoscopy? In-office procedure, even with polyp removal. Need some bone spurs shaved off? Office procedure. Need an MRI or other special imaging? Surgery center owned by radiology practice.

What drove it? Business pressures.

The old adage about dairymen applies to doctors - there is no paid vacation. Any day a dairyman doesn't touch a tit is a day he doesn't get paid. Similarly, a doctor who don't touch a patient today doesn't get paid. BUT. They can move their practice into a building they own. They can move their surgeries into a surgery center they own. And if they don't work today....well, at least they get some rent. And when they retire....they scale back the number of days they practice.....then they sell their shares in the medical practice. They can collect rent for a while on the two buildings. Then they can sell their share of the building housing the practice. Later on, they can sell their share of the building housing the surgery center. etc.... Retirement for them doesn't have to be a threshold. It's a phased withdrawal.

In other words: Specialty medicine has sucked the most profitable parts of medicine out of hospitals, leaving hospitals with (mostly) all the dreadful stuff nobody can make any money doing, in a huge building full of bureaucrats enforcing govt regulations on medicine.

One of the more obscure objectives of Obamacare was to drive specialty medicine back into the hospitals. I know a couple of younger physicians who sold their practice and went to work for the hospital in order to get seniority. Their reasoning was "don't fight city hall"....the trend was inevitable, so get there first. Hasn't exactly worked out that way, but it highlights the issue.





Good read .

My longtime GP just retired .

Great guy, sacrificial a lot to care for his patients. Certainly didn't put in all those long hours for the money involved.
Harrison Bergeron
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Canada2017 said:

whiterock said:

Canada2017 said:

whiterock said:

Porteroso said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

90sBear said:

Porteroso said:

To think that an 8 year old, who cannot legally have sex or even look at another naked human being, could have the intellectual and/or sexual maturity to understand whether having adults cut organs off their body is a good idea or not, is beyond the pale.

It is adults forever raping the sexuality of a child. No child can consent to such a thing, so of course it is adults deciding this for their own children.

Of course this is barely happening at all, because even if you want to be politically correct, few are so braindead.

Still, it is abhorrent that the President is encouraging child exploitation in such a way. It is one thing to support your child no matter what they think of gender, gender norms, and what pronouns they like at any given hour of the day (some change pronouns based upon the moon and body chemistry....).

It is another to gather a group of adults together to hack off your child's body parts and force hormones upon their brain.
Sadly there are probably some within the medical field for whom this is a money maker decision as well.
Someone posted a video from a meeting at Vanderbilt Medical School. You're correct - the person talked about how profitable this section is for the school.

Thats disgusting, I entirely agree.

Hospitals are money pits. Enormously unprofitable. Ergo the allure of the reassignment surgery industry.
Interesting point .
50 years ago, the GP and pediatricians had their own offices. Nearly all the specialists officed in the hospitals or hospital annexes. Those days are gone.

Today, hospitals are big, bureaucratic, overhead heavy buildings where (mostly) old people on Medicare/Medicaid go to die, or Medicaid. The more profitable parts of medicine - outpatient procedures - done on people who mostly have good insurance, have mostly moved to small specialty facilities run by physician-owners, tailored not for all surgical needs but for the specific uses of the specialists who will use it. Think about it.....have a heart cath? at a surgery center owned by the cardio practice. Have a lithotrypsy? Done in a surgery center. Bladder cath? Done right in the urologist office. Need a colonoscopy? In-office procedure, even with polyp removal. Need some bone spurs shaved off? Office procedure. Need an MRI or other special imaging? Surgery center owned by radiology practice.

What drove it? Business pressures.

The old adage about dairymen applies to doctors - there is no paid vacation. Any day a dairyman doesn't touch a tit is a day he doesn't get paid. Similarly, a doctor who don't touch a patient today doesn't get paid. BUT. They can move their practice into a building they own. They can move their surgeries into a surgery center they own. And if they don't work today....well, at least they get some rent. And when they retire....they scale back the number of days they practice.....then they sell their shares in the medical practice. They can collect rent for a while on the two buildings. Then they can sell their share of the building housing the practice. Later on, they can sell their share of the building housing the surgery center. etc.... Retirement for them doesn't have to be a threshold. It's a phased withdrawal.

In other words: Specialty medicine has sucked the most profitable parts of medicine out of hospitals, leaving hospitals with (mostly) all the dreadful stuff nobody can make any money doing, in a huge building full of bureaucrats enforcing govt regulations on medicine.

One of the more obscure objectives of Obamacare was to drive specialty medicine back into the hospitals. I know a couple of younger physicians who sold their practice and went to work for the hospital in order to get seniority. Their reasoning was "don't fight city hall"....the trend was inevitable, so get there first. Hasn't exactly worked out that way, but it highlights the issue.





Good read .

My longtime GP just retired .

Great guy, sacrificial a lot to care for his patients. Certainly didn't put in all those long hours for the money involved.
GPs generally are the heroes of the health care system. Have to work the hardest, have the broadest skills, and make the least.
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