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There is a big difference between not believing left wing ideas will help climate change and being an arrogant idiot.

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there is a big difference between actually solving climate change and what the left is doing

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Thats true, however it's a generalization. The right generally denies the science of climate change, so i can't blame the lefties when they are defacto slightly ahead. Neither side doing much good but at least one side doesn't put its head in a plastic bag when the dreaded phrase is uttered.

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Computer models (particularly those producing predictions which are 97% incorrect) are not science. Consensus is not science. Science requires that a hypothesis be testable and the outcome repeatable. What's more, science requires an actual null hypothesis, of which there isn't one to be found. Climate 'science' is nothing more than political propaganda using bad data run through even worse models to achieve a political end….more government control of the populace.

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Porteroso said:

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4th and Inches said:

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ron.reagan said:

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There is a big difference between not believing left wing ideas will help climate change and being an arrogant idiot.

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there is a big difference between actually solving climate change and what the left is doing

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Thats true, however it's a generalization. The right generally denies the science of climate change, so i can't blame the lefties when they are defacto slightly ahead. Neither side doing much good but at least one side doesn't put its head in a plastic bag when the dreaded phrase is uttered.

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Computer models (particularly those producing predictions which are 97% incorrect) are not science. Consensus is not science. Science requires that a hypothesis be testable and the outcome repeatable. What's more, science requires an actual null hypothesis, of which there isn't one to be found. Climate 'science' is nothing more than political propaganda using bad data run through even worse models to achieve a political end….more government control of the populace.

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Exactly.

I'm not a "science denier", I'm a propaganda denier.

When i was a kid in grade school, we were told that our world was entering into a "new ice age". If we didn't take immediate actions, America was going to be covered in a thick sheet of ice, and millions would die. 20 years later I was told that the world was warming too quickly, and that if we didn't take immediate action America would be flooded by the oceans and turned into the Sahara. Now they tell us that if we don't take immediate action, the weather might change... as if changing weather patterns haven't happened for centuries.

It isn't science to try and claim that we can use political policies to control the weather... it is lunacy.

If you want to decrease pollution... I'm all on board. If you start talking about averting natural catastrophe by increasing taxes, reducing the population, destroying economies, relying on solar & wind power, eliminating nuclear & oil, going vegan, driving an electric car,... you're crazy!

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Johnny Bear said:

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Porteroso said:

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ron.reagan said:

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There is a big difference between not believing left wing ideas will help climate change and being an arrogant idiot.

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there is a big difference between actually solving climate change and what the left is doing

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Thats true, however it's a generalization. The right generally denies the science of climate change, so i can't blame the lefties when they are defacto slightly ahead. Neither side doing much good but at least one side doesn't put its head in a plastic bag when the dreaded phrase is uttered.

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It's not about "putting your head in a plastic bag" - it's about facing reality. The climate is going to do what the climate does and human kind simply doesn't have the power or the ability to alter it or change it to any material degree no matter how many $$trillions we throw at it and no matter what we do with curbing CO2 emissions. We could literally go back to living in the Stone Age and it wouldn't alter the climate to any material degree as again humans just don't have the ability to change the climate - for good or for bad. Period.

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How are you this ignorant? We already had a climate crisis that we then fixed. Do you know about the ozone layer? Also this know-it-all attitude of "7bn people couldn't alter the climate if they tried" is just so ignorant I don't know where to begin. I don't know what to call it anymore, because willful ignorance is something much less.

Maybe if you made yourself a rule, read a book for every Tucker Carlson segment you watch, but what a joke.

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90% of lead removed from air, smog much reduced, water ways recovering.
There has been some good

Porteroso said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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Porteroso said:

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4th and Inches said:

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ron.reagan said:

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There is a big difference between not believing left wing ideas will help climate change and being an arrogant idiot.

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there is a big difference between actually solving climate change and what the left is doing

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Thats true, however it's a generalization. The right generally denies the science of climate change, so i can't blame the lefties when they are defacto slightly ahead. Neither side doing much good but at least one side doesn't put its head in a plastic bag when the dreaded phrase is uttered.

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It's not about "putting your head in a plastic bag" - it's about facing reality. The climate is going to do what the climate does and human kind simply doesn't have the power or the ability to alter it or change it to any material degree no matter how many $$trillions we throw at it and no matter what we do with curbing CO2 emissions. We could literally go back to living in the Stone Age and it wouldn't alter the climate to any material degree as again humans just don't have the ability to change the climate - for good or for bad. Period.

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How are you this ignorant? We already had a climate crisis that we then fixed. Do you know about the ozone layer? Also this know-it-all attitude of "7bn people couldn't alter the climate if they tried" is just so ignorant I don't know where to begin. I don't know what to call it anymore, because willful ignorance is something much less.

Maybe if you made yourself a rule, read a book for every Tucker Carlson segment you watch, but what a joke.

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This is…sad

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Porteroso said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Porteroso said:

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4th and Inches said:

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ron.reagan said:

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There is a big difference between not believing left wing ideas will help climate change and being an arrogant idiot.

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there is a big difference between actually solving climate change and what the left is doing

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Thats true, however it's a generalization. The right generally denies the science of climate change, so i can't blame the lefties when they are defacto slightly ahead. Neither side doing much good but at least one side doesn't put its head in a plastic bag when the dreaded phrase is uttered.

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I think this is a good opportunity for self-awareness and reflection. Often the lack of self-awareness of many - particularly on the left - leads to talking past one another. I admit there is probably a lot more diversity among conservatives, but generally it is actually the conservatives that take a much more scientific approach compared to the Burned Over District preachers that's become the loudest, regressive voices.

- Science is acknowledging that much of the issue is based on computer-generated models with human inputs can be (and have been proven) subject to manipulation
- Science is acknowledging to think we had accurate global temperature data 150 years ago is foolish
- Common sense is acknowledging there is lots of grant money to be had fuming global warming or cooling but virtually none to be skeptical or practical
- Science is acknowledging if we stopped all man-made carbon emissions today we might reduce the temperature 1 degree in 100 years
- Common sense is realizing nothing the U.S. or the West does will have an impact when China, India, Russia, and the developing world does not care
- Science is realizing a smarter strategy would be to focus on mitigation efforts in the few areas that might be at-risk in 100 years vs. telling everyone to eat bugs and walk
- Common sense is realizing t'science has told us we were all going to freeze to death in the 70s, burn to death in the 90s, and none of the eschatological preachers have been correct
- Common sense is realizing those crowing most about global warming or global cooling all have beach front mansions and a individual carbon footprint larger than many small nations
- Common sense is realizing 99% of what the t'experts claim is due to global warming or global cooling is incorrect, so if they're lying why should anyone believe them?
- Science is realizing weather is not climate change, and common sense is realizing t'experts are lying when they say every time there is a record high it is global warming and every time there is a record low it's just weather

If covid taught us anything, it is disinformation can easily be used by t'experts to fan social hysteria and be a tool for authoritarian social control and that t'science can be a tool of authoritarians. It infects even ostensibly intelligent people - I was on a call at work where someone said (and was not questioned) that hurricanes and wildfires are worse because of global warming - both patently untrue and easily proved wrong to anyone with a basic intellectual curiosity. But we have the largest collection of highly educated morons in human history.

The left has this weird lack of self-awareness that it is reactionary. Virtually every major issue from global warming and cooling or the culture war starts and gets exacerbated on the left. No one would object to smart environmental policies that ensure clean air and water and soil and thoughtful, reasonable, multi-faceted strategies to reduce carbon emissions. But after constantly being fed disinformation, every time some t'expert says eat bugs, buy a Tesla, and stubbed toes are caused by global warming or cooling, thoughtful people start to tune out.

My point is instead of buying into the right-wing bogeymen of divisive "climate denial" rhetoric consider a more balanced, thoughtful approach and realize that if the regressives would not always go to 11 on every issue then conservatives would trust them more ... not you per se but the regressive left in general.

Ironically - another anti-science, lack of self-awareness - it is the things the regressives want to stop are all the things that have mitigated 99% of the impact of climate- and weather-related events.

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I generally agree, but again, you are articulating a specific view point. Its not the general view held by either political side. If we are going to generalize, and you certainly do a fair bit of that, then my post stands. Just look at the responses.

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Fair enough. And guilty as charged. But the order of operations is important: it is never the right that starts the crazy. It reacts to it but never starts it.

Counting you, I know maybe 5% of my liberal friends that don't march lock step with whatever is the climate talking point of the day. It is very much like Covid-19: you can only lie to smart people so much before they naturally just start to mock everything you say, especially after myriad contradictions and subsequent gaslighting. I suspect most people don't actually deny climate change, but it's a natural reaction to all the stupidity - they just start to mock the Idiocracy and hypocrisy, which is what they're really reacting against vs. the actual reality of the issue. That's why I think the regressives' hysterics are unhelpful

It's fairly obvious the covid playbook will be re-run for climate change, and that is what a lot of people are reacting to as well - the authoritarianism of it all. Every authoritarian has always acted "for the good of X."

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I generally agree, but its still not valid to mock climate change science just because a bunch of randos on twatter spout nonsense about it. Whether you have a good reason to deny science or not, it is still science denial.

My personal and mostly ignorant opinion is that we don't understand the climate so well, but every day I see evidence of humanity being far harsher on the environment than is necessary. The correct direction to go, in order to preserve the planet for posterity, is not the direction science deniers walk towards.

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To re-state the obvious. Climate hysteria has nothing to do with science. It's quite the opposite.

Harrison Bergeron said:

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Porteroso said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Porteroso said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Porteroso said:

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4th and Inches said:

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ron.reagan said:

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There is a big difference between not believing left wing ideas will help climate change and being an arrogant idiot.

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there is a big difference between actually solving climate change and what the left is doing

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Thats true, however it's a generalization. The right generally denies the science of climate change, so i can't blame the lefties when they are defacto slightly ahead. Neither side doing much good but at least one side doesn't put its head in a plastic bag when the dreaded phrase is uttered.

---

I think this is a good opportunity for self-awareness and reflection. Often the lack of self-awareness of many - particularly on the left - leads to talking past one another. I admit there is probably a lot more diversity among conservatives, but generally it is actually the conservatives that take a much more scientific approach compared to the Burned Over District preachers that's become the loudest, regressive voices.

- Science is acknowledging that much of the issue is based on computer-generated models with human inputs can be (and have been proven) subject to manipulation
- Science is acknowledging to think we had accurate global temperature data 150 years ago is foolish
- Common sense is acknowledging there is lots of grant money to be had fuming global warming or cooling but virtually none to be skeptical or practical
- Science is acknowledging if we stopped all man-made carbon emissions today we might reduce the temperature 1 degree in 100 years
- Common sense is realizing nothing the U.S. or the West does will have an impact when China, India, Russia, and the developing world does not care
- Science is realizing a smarter strategy would be to focus on mitigation efforts in the few areas that might be at-risk in 100 years vs. telling everyone to eat bugs and walk
- Common sense is realizing t'science has told us we were all going to freeze to death in the 70s, burn to death in the 90s, and none of the eschatological preachers have been correct
- Common sense is realizing those crowing most about global warming or global cooling all have beach front mansions and a individual carbon footprint larger than many small nations
- Common sense is realizing 99% of what the t'experts claim is due to global warming or global cooling is incorrect, so if they're lying why should anyone believe them?
- Science is realizing weather is not climate change, and common sense is realizing t'experts are lying when they say every time there is a record high it is global warming and every time there is a record low it's just weather

If covid taught us anything, it is disinformation can easily be used by t'experts to fan social hysteria and be a tool for authoritarian social control and that t'science can be a tool of authoritarians. It infects even ostensibly intelligent people - I was on a call at work where someone said (and was not questioned) that hurricanes and wildfires are worse because of global warming - both patently untrue and easily proved wrong to anyone with a basic intellectual curiosity. But we have the largest collection of highly educated morons in human history.

The left has this weird lack of self-awareness that it is reactionary. Virtually every major issue from global warming and cooling or the culture war starts and gets exacerbated on the left. No one would object to smart environmental policies that ensure clean air and water and soil and thoughtful, reasonable, multi-faceted strategies to reduce carbon emissions. But after constantly being fed disinformation, every time some t'expert says eat bugs, buy a Tesla, and stubbed toes are caused by global warming or cooling, thoughtful people start to tune out.

My point is instead of buying into the right-wing bogeymen of divisive "climate denial" rhetoric consider a more balanced, thoughtful approach and realize that if the regressives would not always go to 11 on every issue then conservatives would trust them more ... not you per se but the regressive left in general.

Ironically - another anti-science, lack of self-awareness - it is the things the regressives want to stop are all the things that have mitigated 99% of the impact of climate- and weather-related events.

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I generally agree, but again, you are articulating a specific view point. Its not the general view held by either political side. If we are going to generalize, and you certainly do a fair bit of that, then my post stands. Just look at the responses.

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Fair enough. And guilty as charged. But the order of operations is important: it is never the right that starts the crazy. It reacts to it but never starts it.

Counting you, I know maybe 5% of my liberal friends that don't march lock step with whatever is the climate talking point of the day. It is very much like Covid-19: you can only lie to smart people so much before they naturally just start to mock everything you say, especially after myriad contradictions and subsequent gaslighting. I suspect most people don't actually deny climate change, but it's a natural reaction to all the stupidity - they just start to mock the Idiocracy and hypocrisy, which is what they're really reacting against vs. the actual reality of the issue. That's why I think the regressives' hysterics are unhelpful

It's fairly obvious the covid playbook will be re-run for climate change, and that is what a lot of people are reacting to as well - the authoritarianism of it all. Every authoritarian has always acted "for the good of X."

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I generally agree, but its still not valid to mock climate change science just because a bunch of randos on twatter spout nonsense about it. Whether you have a good reason to deny science or not, it is still science denial.

My personal and mostly ignorant opinion is that we don't understand the climate so well, but every day I see evidence of humanity being far harsher on the environment than is necessary. The correct direction to go, in order to preserve the planet for posterity, is not the direction science deniers walk towards.

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To re-state the obvious. Climate hysteria has nothing to do with science. It's quite the opposite.

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These same people can be convinced To get vaxed 10 times for covid

Because duh science

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Porteroso said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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Porteroso said:

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4th and Inches said:

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ron.reagan said:

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There is a big difference between not believing left wing ideas will help climate change and being an arrogant idiot.

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there is a big difference between actually solving climate change and what the left is doing

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Thats true, however it's a generalization. The right generally denies the science of climate change, so i can't blame the lefties when they are defacto slightly ahead. Neither side doing much good but at least one side doesn't put its head in a plastic bag when the dreaded phrase is uttered.

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It's not about "putting your head in a plastic bag" - it's about facing reality. The climate is going to do what the climate does and human kind simply doesn't have the power or the ability to alter it or change it to any material degree no matter how many $$trillions we throw at it and no matter what we do with curbing CO2 emissions. We could literally go back to living in the Stone Age and it wouldn't alter the climate to any material degree as again humans just don't have the ability to change the climate - for good or for bad. Period.

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How are you this ignorant? We already had a climate crisis that we then fixed. Do you know about the ozone layer? Also this know-it-all attitude of "7bn people couldn't alter the climate if they tried" is just so ignorant I don't know where to begin. I don't know what to call it anymore, because willful ignorance is something much less.

Maybe if you made yourself a rule, read a book for every Tucker Carlson segment you watch, but what a joke.

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90% of lead removed from air, smog much reduced, water ways recovering.
There has been some good

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What you're alluding to is about being environmentally responsible - which is an entirely different subject, and anyone in their right mind is in favor of it. And yes, in that regard, there is quite a bit of good news regarding the progress that has been made over the last 50 years - especially in the USA. On the other hand, the asinine, idiotic belief that us humans can alter the climate to any meaningful degree is a whole other topic that sadly millions have been brainwashed to believe like Poteroso - whom I bet was one of the chicken littles 30 years ago whining about the end of the world coming by 1999.

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Golem said:

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Porteroso said:

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4th and Inches said:

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ron.reagan said:

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There is a big difference between not believing left wing ideas will help climate change and being an arrogant idiot.

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there is a big difference between actually solving climate change and what the left is doing

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Thats true, however it's a generalization. The right generally denies the science of climate change, so i can't blame the lefties when they are defacto slightly ahead. Neither side doing much good but at least one side doesn't put its head in a plastic bag when the dreaded phrase is uttered.

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Computer models (particularly those producing predictions which are 97% incorrect) are not science. Consensus is not science. Science requires that a hypothesis be testable and the outcome repeatable. What's more, science requires an actual null hypothesis, of which there isn't one to be found. Climate 'science' is nothing more than political propaganda using bad data run through even worse models to achieve a political end….more government control of the populace.

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Exactly.

I'm not a "science denier", I'm a propaganda denier.

When i was a kid in grade school, we were told that our world was entering into a "new ice age". If we didn't take immediate actions, America was going to be covered in a thick sheet of ice, and millions would die. 20 years later I was told that the world was warming too quickly, and that if we didn't take immediate action America would be flooded by the oceans and turned into the Sahara. Now they tell us that if we don't take immediate action, the weather might change... as if changing weather patterns haven't happened for centuries.

It isn't science to try and claim that we can use political policies to control the weather... it is lunacy.

If you want to decrease pollution... I'm all on board. If you start talking about averting natural catastrophe by increasing taxes, reducing the population, destroying economies, relying on solar & wind power, eliminating nuclear & oil, going vegan, driving an electric car,... you're crazy!

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The "success rate" of 0% for the climate doomsayers dire predictions over the last half century plus is another big reason to just laugh at these people. Every time you hear one of these type predictions you can count on either nothing happening, or the exact opposite happening. Shoot, how many stupid end of the world type "prophesies" that didn't happen has Al Gore alone made? It's just sad how many dupes out there buy this fraud.

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Porteroso said:

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ron.reagan said:

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There is a big difference between not believing left wing ideas will help climate change and being an arrogant idiot.

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there is a big difference between actually solving climate change and what the left is doing

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Thats true, however it's a generalization. The right generally denies the science of climate change, so i can't blame the lefties when they are defacto slightly ahead. Neither side doing much good but at least one side doesn't put its head in a plastic bag when the dreaded phrase is uttered.

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Computer models (particularly those producing predictions which are 97% incorrect) are not science. Consensus is not science. Science requires that a hypothesis be testable and the outcome repeatable. What's more, science requires an actual null hypothesis, of which there isn't one to be found. Climate 'science' is nothing more than political propaganda using bad data run through even worse models to achieve a political end….more government control of the populace.

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Thats a bad definition of science you have there. If it were true, scientific theories wouldn't be science. I'm not about to waste time playing dictionary games.

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Osodecentx said:

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Porteroso said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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Porteroso said:

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4th and Inches said:

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ron.reagan said:

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There is a big difference between not believing left wing ideas will help climate change and being an arrogant idiot.

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there is a big difference between actually solving climate change and what the left is doing

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Thats true, however it's a generalization. The right generally denies the science of climate change, so i can't blame the lefties when they are defacto slightly ahead. Neither side doing much good but at least one side doesn't put its head in a plastic bag when the dreaded phrase is uttered.

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It's not about "putting your head in a plastic bag" - it's about facing reality. The climate is going to do what the climate does and human kind simply doesn't have the power or the ability to alter it or change it to any material degree no matter how many $$trillions we throw at it and no matter what we do with curbing CO2 emissions. We could literally go back to living in the Stone Age and it wouldn't alter the climate to any material degree as again humans just don't have the ability to change the climate - for good or for bad. Period.

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How are you this ignorant? We already had a climate crisis that we then fixed. Do you know about the ozone layer? Also this know-it-all attitude of "7bn people couldn't alter the climate if they tried" is just so ignorant I don't know where to begin. I don't know what to call it anymore, because willful ignorance is something much less.

Maybe if you made yourself a rule, read a book for every Tucker Carlson segment you watch, but what a joke.

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90% of lead removed from air, smog much reduced, water ways recovering.
There has been some good

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What you're alluding to is about being environmentally responsible - which is an entirely different subject, and anyone in their right mind is in favor of it. And yes, in that regard, there is quite a bit of good news regarding the progress that has been made over the last 50 years - especially in the USA. On the other hand, the asinine, idiotic belief that us humans can alter the climate to any meaningful degree is a whole other topic that sadly millions have been brainwashed to believe like Poteroso - whom I bet was one of the chicken littles 30 years ago whining about the end of the world coming by 1999.

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Brainwashed lol. You idiots watch fox News and get told the government drives climate science research, and that gives you all the reason you need to deny it even exists. Renaming it climate hysteria is a good one, I admit. The ignorance could fill books.

Porteroso has yet to seriously address even one point raised by those who refuse to buy into Global Hysteria.

Ah well, maybe next year ...

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Porteroso said:

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ron.reagan said:

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There is a big difference between not believing left wing ideas will help climate change and being an arrogant idiot.

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there is a big difference between actually solving climate change and what the left is doing

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Thats true, however it's a generalization. The right generally denies the science of climate change, so i can't blame the lefties when they are defacto slightly ahead. Neither side doing much good but at least one side doesn't put its head in a plastic bag when the dreaded phrase is uttered.

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Computer models (particularly those producing predictions which are 97% incorrect) are not science. Consensus is not science. Science requires that a hypothesis be testable and the outcome repeatable. What's more, science requires an actual null hypothesis, of which there isn't one to be found. Climate 'science' is nothing more than political propaganda using bad data run through even worse models to achieve a political end….more government control of the populace.

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Thats a bad definition of science you have there. If it were true, scientific theories wouldn't be science. I'm not about to waste time playing dictionary games.

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I described actual science. I understand that's not convenient to you.

So ode on this thread clearly buy into the big lie.

They would admit that much has been done to improve various things that might be affecting the climate or surely affect water supplies etc

And yet they also believe things are worse than they ever were on good old planet earth.

A place with countless ice ages before ICE and more to come in the future but yet they think man is somehow causing a blizzard or a hurricane to happen or not happen for 15 years.

God continues to mock them rejecting every prediction they've ever made at every turn.

But they want you to give just a little more money to the socialist democrats to
Make their families rich while you struggle and go to work every day.

Useless eaters but they feels good and republicans hate Earth and want to kill us all with their w reckless policies, while socialist democrats actually do Kill us all

I Am fascinate

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Osodecentx said:

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Porteroso said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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There is a big difference between not believing left wing ideas will help climate change and being an arrogant idiot.

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there is a big difference between actually solving climate change and what the left is doing

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Thats true, however it's a generalization. The right generally denies the science of climate change, so i can't blame the lefties when they are defacto slightly ahead. Neither side doing much good but at least one side doesn't put its head in a plastic bag when the dreaded phrase is uttered.

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It's not about "putting your head in a plastic bag" - it's about facing reality. The climate is going to do what the climate does and human kind simply doesn't have the power or the ability to alter it or change it to any material degree no matter how many $$trillions we throw at it and no matter what we do with curbing CO2 emissions. We could literally go back to living in the Stone Age and it wouldn't alter the climate to any material degree as again humans just don't have the ability to change the climate - for good or for bad. Period.

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How are you this ignorant? We already had a climate crisis that we then fixed. Do you know about the ozone layer? Also this know-it-all attitude of "7bn people couldn't alter the climate if they tried" is just so ignorant I don't know where to begin. I don't know what to call it anymore, because willful ignorance is something much less.

Maybe if you made yourself a rule, read a book for every Tucker Carlson segment you watch, but what a joke.

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90% of lead removed from air, smog much reduced, water ways recovering.
There has been some good

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What you're alluding to is about being environmentally responsible - which is an entirely different subject, and anyone in their right mind is in favor of it. And yes, in that regard, there is quite a bit of good news regarding the progress that has been made over the last 50 years - especially in the USA. On the other hand, the asinine, idiotic belief that us humans can alter the climate to any meaningful degree is a whole other topic that sadly millions have been brainwashed to believe like Poteroso - whom I bet was one of the chicken littles 30 years ago whining about the end of the world coming by 1999.

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Oh No! Scientists Determine We're Actually Headed For An Ice Age And We Have To Pump As Much CO2 As Possible Into The Atmosphere Or We're All Gonna Die
WORLD In a stunning reversal from decades of scientific consensus, scientists have now revealed that the planet is hurtling toward a devastating ice age and that we need to pump as much CO2 into the atmosphere as possible or we're all going to die.
"Welp, it looks like we may have made a few minor miscalculations," said Dr. Bjrn Jarlnjrd of the Norwegian Center for Studying Apocalyptic Science (NCSAS). "I think we may have forgotten to carry the '1' somewhere or something, I'm not really sure. But the long story short is that the planet is actually cooling and we're all going to freeze to death if we don't all start our SUVs and rev them around the clock immediately."
Already, news outlets around the world have announced that "the science has changed" and that every coal plant, monster truck, private jet, fracking drill, and gas-powered leaf blower must be turned on immediately to save humanity from a frozen tundra of death. "We were wrong! God help us, we were so wrong!" said a shivering Neil deGrasse Tyson as he fired up his gas-powered generator. "Why were we afraid of the very chemical we breathe out? It's food for plants! It's natural! What have we done?!"
Governments are responding too, already having acted quickly to ban all solar and wind power, and have promised thousands of new taxes and regulations which they promise will solve the problem somehow.
At publishing time, Elon Musk had offered his help with the announcement of a new gas-powered Tesla.
https://babylonbee.com/news/oh-no-scientists-determine-were-actually-headed-for-an-ice-age-and-we-have-to-pump-as-much-co2-as-possible-into-the-atmosphere-or-were-all-gonna-die

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Johnny Bear said:

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Porteroso said:

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4th and Inches said:

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ron.reagan said:

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There is a big difference between not believing left wing ideas will help climate change and being an arrogant idiot.

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there is a big difference between actually solving climate change and what the left is doing

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Thats true, however it's a generalization. The right generally denies the science of climate change, so i can't blame the lefties when they are defacto slightly ahead. Neither side doing much good but at least one side doesn't put its head in a plastic bag when the dreaded phrase is uttered.

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It's not about "putting your head in a plastic bag" - it's about facing reality. The climate is going to do what the climate does and human kind simply doesn't have the power or the ability to alter it or change it to any material degree no matter how many $$trillions we throw at it and no matter what we do with curbing CO2 emissions. We could literally go back to living in the Stone Age and it wouldn't alter the climate to any material degree as again humans just don't have the ability to change the climate - for good or for bad. Period.

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How are you this ignorant? We already had a climate crisis that we then fixed. Do you know about the ozone layer? Also this know-it-all attitude of "7bn people couldn't alter the climate if they tried" is just so ignorant I don't know where to begin. I don't know what to call it anymore, because willful ignorance is something much less.

Maybe if you made yourself a rule, read a book for every Tucker Carlson segment you watch, but what a joke.

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90% of lead removed from air, smog much reduced, water ways recovering.
There has been some good

---

What you're alluding to is about being environmentally responsible - which is an entirely different subject, and anyone in their right mind is in favor of it. And yes, in that regard, there is quite a bit of good news regarding the progress that has been made over the last 50 years - especially in the USA. On the other hand, the asinine, idiotic belief that us humans can alter the climate to any meaningful degree is a whole other topic that sadly millions have been brainwashed to believe like Poteroso - whom I bet was one of the chicken littles 30 years ago whining about the end of the world coming by 1999.

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CO2 has risen to twice the maximum levels in in 1950 and twice the highest levels in the last 800,000 years. How do you explain? Are you curious? Does this worry you at all?

https://climate.nasa.gov/climate_resources/24/graphic-the-relentless-rise-of-carbon-dioxide/

Osodecentx said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Porteroso said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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Porteroso said:

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4th and Inches said:

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ron.reagan said:

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There is a big difference between not believing left wing ideas will help climate change and being an arrogant idiot.

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there is a big difference between actually solving climate change and what the left is doing

---

Thats true, however it's a generalization. The right generally denies the science of climate change, so i can't blame the lefties when they are defacto slightly ahead. Neither side doing much good but at least one side doesn't put its head in a plastic bag when the dreaded phrase is uttered.

---

It's not about "putting your head in a plastic bag" - it's about facing reality. The climate is going to do what the climate does and human kind simply doesn't have the power or the ability to alter it or change it to any material degree no matter how many $$trillions we throw at it and no matter what we do with curbing CO2 emissions. We could literally go back to living in the Stone Age and it wouldn't alter the climate to any material degree as again humans just don't have the ability to change the climate - for good or for bad. Period.

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How are you this ignorant? We already had a climate crisis that we then fixed. Do you know about the ozone layer? Also this know-it-all attitude of "7bn people couldn't alter the climate if they tried" is just so ignorant I don't know where to begin. I don't know what to call it anymore, because willful ignorance is something much less.

Maybe if you made yourself a rule, read a book for every Tucker Carlson segment you watch, but what a joke.

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90% of lead removed from air, smog much reduced, water ways recovering.
There has been some good

---

What you're alluding to is about being environmentally responsible - which is an entirely different subject, and anyone in their right mind is in favor of it. And yes, in that regard, there is quite a bit of good news regarding the progress that has been made over the last 50 years - especially in the USA. On the other hand, the asinine, idiotic belief that us humans can alter the climate to any meaningful degree is a whole other topic that sadly millions have been brainwashed to believe like Poteroso - whom I bet was one of the chicken littles 30 years ago whining about the end of the world coming by 1999.

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CO2 has risen to twice the maximum levels in in 1950 and twice the highest levels in the last 800,000 years. How do you explain? Are you curious? Does this worry you at all?

https://climate.nasa.gov/climate_resources/24/graphic-the-relentless-rise-of-carbon-dioxide/

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Assuming CO2 is even doing the things the hysterics claim is one blunder.

Assuming we have even been tracking CO2 to any serious degree before 1980 is another.

Strange, since Oso correctly observed that getting lead out of the air was a good thing (and lead's damage to health was proven, something NEVER done with CO2 - I guess Oso thinks trees are a threat to the biosphere?)

Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Porteroso said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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Porteroso said:

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4th and Inches said:

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ron.reagan said:

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There is a big difference between not believing left wing ideas will help climate change and being an arrogant idiot.

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there is a big difference between actually solving climate change and what the left is doing

---

Thats true, however it's a generalization. The right generally denies the science of climate change, so i can't blame the lefties when they are defacto slightly ahead. Neither side doing much good but at least one side doesn't put its head in a plastic bag when the dreaded phrase is uttered.

---

It's not about "putting your head in a plastic bag" - it's about facing reality. The climate is going to do what the climate does and human kind simply doesn't have the power or the ability to alter it or change it to any material degree no matter how many $$trillions we throw at it and no matter what we do with curbing CO2 emissions. We could literally go back to living in the Stone Age and it wouldn't alter the climate to any material degree as again humans just don't have the ability to change the climate - for good or for bad. Period.

---

How are you this ignorant? We already had a climate crisis that we then fixed. Do you know about the ozone layer? Also this know-it-all attitude of "7bn people couldn't alter the climate if they tried" is just so ignorant I don't know where to begin. I don't know what to call it anymore, because willful ignorance is something much less.

Maybe if you made yourself a rule, read a book for every Tucker Carlson segment you watch, but what a joke.

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90% of lead removed from air, smog much reduced, water ways recovering.
There has been some good

---

What you're alluding to is about being environmentally responsible - which is an entirely different subject, and anyone in their right mind is in favor of it. And yes, in that regard, there is quite a bit of good news regarding the progress that has been made over the last 50 years - especially in the USA. On the other hand, the asinine, idiotic belief that us humans can alter the climate to any meaningful degree is a whole other topic that sadly millions have been brainwashed to believe like Poteroso - whom I bet was one of the chicken littles 30 years ago whining about the end of the world coming by 1999.

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CO2 has risen to twice the maximum levels in in 1950 and twice the highest levels in the last 800,000 years. How do you explain? Are you curious? Does this worry you at all?

https://climate.nasa.gov/climate_resources/24/graphic-the-relentless-rise-of-carbon-dioxide/

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Assuming CO2 is even doing the things the hysterics claim is one blunder.

Assuming we have even been tracking CO2 to any serious degree before 1980 is another.

Strange, since Oso correctly observed that getting lead out of the air was a good thing (and lead's damage to health was proven, something NEVER done with CO2 - I guess Oso thinks trees are a threat to the biosphere?)

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NASA = hysterics?

Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Porteroso said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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Porteroso said:

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4th and Inches said:

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ron.reagan said:

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There is a big difference between not believing left wing ideas will help climate change and being an arrogant idiot.

---

there is a big difference between actually solving climate change and what the left is doing

---

Thats true, however it's a generalization. The right generally denies the science of climate change, so i can't blame the lefties when they are defacto slightly ahead. Neither side doing much good but at least one side doesn't put its head in a plastic bag when the dreaded phrase is uttered.

---

It's not about "putting your head in a plastic bag" - it's about facing reality. The climate is going to do what the climate does and human kind simply doesn't have the power or the ability to alter it or change it to any material degree no matter how many $$trillions we throw at it and no matter what we do with curbing CO2 emissions. We could literally go back to living in the Stone Age and it wouldn't alter the climate to any material degree as again humans just don't have the ability to change the climate - for good or for bad. Period.

---

How are you this ignorant? We already had a climate crisis that we then fixed. Do you know about the ozone layer? Also this know-it-all attitude of "7bn people couldn't alter the climate if they tried" is just so ignorant I don't know where to begin. I don't know what to call it anymore, because willful ignorance is something much less.

Maybe if you made yourself a rule, read a book for every Tucker Carlson segment you watch, but what a joke.

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90% of lead removed from air, smog much reduced, water ways recovering.
There has been some good

---

What you're alluding to is about being environmentally responsible - which is an entirely different subject, and anyone in their right mind is in favor of it. And yes, in that regard, there is quite a bit of good news regarding the progress that has been made over the last 50 years - especially in the USA. On the other hand, the asinine, idiotic belief that us humans can alter the climate to any meaningful degree is a whole other topic that sadly millions have been brainwashed to believe like Poteroso - whom I bet was one of the chicken littles 30 years ago whining about the end of the world coming by 1999.

---

CO2 has risen to twice the maximum levels in in 1950 and twice the highest levels in the last 800,000 years. How do you explain? Are you curious? Does this worry you at all?

https://climate.nasa.gov/climate_resources/24/graphic-the-relentless-rise-of-carbon-dioxide/

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Assuming CO2 is even doing the things the hysterics claim is one blunder.

Assuming we have even been tracking CO2 to any serious degree before 1980 is another.

Strange, since Oso correctly observed that getting lead out of the air was a good thing (and lead's damage to health was proven, something NEVER done with CO2 - I guess Oso thinks trees are a threat to the biosphere?)

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NASA = hysterics?

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When money (government funding) is involved, hysterics for everyone.

Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Porteroso said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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Porteroso said:

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4th and Inches said:

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ron.reagan said:

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There is a big difference between not believing left wing ideas will help climate change and being an arrogant idiot.

---

there is a big difference between actually solving climate change and what the left is doing

---

Thats true, however it's a generalization. The right generally denies the science of climate change, so i can't blame the lefties when they are defacto slightly ahead. Neither side doing much good but at least one side doesn't put its head in a plastic bag when the dreaded phrase is uttered.

---

It's not about "putting your head in a plastic bag" - it's about facing reality. The climate is going to do what the climate does and human kind simply doesn't have the power or the ability to alter it or change it to any material degree no matter how many $$trillions we throw at it and no matter what we do with curbing CO2 emissions. We could literally go back to living in the Stone Age and it wouldn't alter the climate to any material degree as again humans just don't have the ability to change the climate - for good or for bad. Period.

---

How are you this ignorant? We already had a climate crisis that we then fixed. Do you know about the ozone layer? Also this know-it-all attitude of "7bn people couldn't alter the climate if they tried" is just so ignorant I don't know where to begin. I don't know what to call it anymore, because willful ignorance is something much less.

Maybe if you made yourself a rule, read a book for every Tucker Carlson segment you watch, but what a joke.

---

90% of lead removed from air, smog much reduced, water ways recovering.
There has been some good

---

What you're alluding to is about being environmentally responsible - which is an entirely different subject, and anyone in their right mind is in favor of it. And yes, in that regard, there is quite a bit of good news regarding the progress that has been made over the last 50 years - especially in the USA. On the other hand, the asinine, idiotic belief that us humans can alter the climate to any meaningful degree is a whole other topic that sadly millions have been brainwashed to believe like Poteroso - whom I bet was one of the chicken littles 30 years ago whining about the end of the world coming by 1999.

---

CO2 has risen to twice the maximum levels in in 1950 and twice the highest levels in the last 800,000 years. How do you explain? Are you curious? Does this worry you at all?

https://climate.nasa.gov/climate_resources/24/graphic-the-relentless-rise-of-carbon-dioxide/

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Assuming CO2 is even doing the things the hysterics claim is one blunder.

Assuming we have even been tracking CO2 to any serious degree before 1980 is another.

Strange, since Oso correctly observed that getting lead out of the air was a good thing (and lead's damage to health was proven, something NEVER done with CO2 - I guess Oso thinks trees are a threat to the biosphere?)

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NASA = hysterics?

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Like the military, other government agencies have been over-run by mindless activists.

In short, engineer putting satellite in space = non-hysterical, while paranoid delusions that carbon dioxide will destroy the planet = clear hysteria.

No one has established that CO2 has any causality to even a single weather event.

No one has even made the "measurements" you mentioned - the claims come from computer models which have never been tested for repeatable, falsifiable experiments.

No one has ever demonstrated that any of the actions demanded by activists would materially alter the environment in the next century.

The actions demanded by those activists, by the way, have never been applied to China or India or Russia, and are suspiciously similar to political demands from a generation ago.

The Climate community is one big Groupthink, akin to Phrenology or Dianetics in its actual attention to real Science.

Osodecentx said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Porteroso said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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Porteroso said:

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4th and Inches said:

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ron.reagan said:

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There is a big difference between not believing left wing ideas will help climate change and being an arrogant idiot.

---

there is a big difference between actually solving climate change and what the left is doing

---

Thats true, however it's a generalization. The right generally denies the science of climate change, so i can't blame the lefties when they are defacto slightly ahead. Neither side doing much good but at least one side doesn't put its head in a plastic bag when the dreaded phrase is uttered.

---

It's not about "putting your head in a plastic bag" - it's about facing reality. The climate is going to do what the climate does and human kind simply doesn't have the power or the ability to alter it or change it to any material degree no matter how many $$trillions we throw at it and no matter what we do with curbing CO2 emissions. We could literally go back to living in the Stone Age and it wouldn't alter the climate to any material degree as again humans just don't have the ability to change the climate - for good or for bad. Period.

---

How are you this ignorant? We already had a climate crisis that we then fixed. Do you know about the ozone layer? Also this know-it-all attitude of "7bn people couldn't alter the climate if they tried" is just so ignorant I don't know where to begin. I don't know what to call it anymore, because willful ignorance is something much less.

Maybe if you made yourself a rule, read a book for every Tucker Carlson segment you watch, but what a joke.

---

90% of lead removed from air, smog much reduced, water ways recovering.
There has been some good

---

What you're alluding to is about being environmentally responsible - which is an entirely different subject, and anyone in their right mind is in favor of it. And yes, in that regard, there is quite a bit of good news regarding the progress that has been made over the last 50 years - especially in the USA. On the other hand, the asinine, idiotic belief that us humans can alter the climate to any meaningful degree is a whole other topic that sadly millions have been brainwashed to believe like Poteroso - whom I bet was one of the chicken littles 30 years ago whining about the end of the world coming by 1999.

---

CO2 has risen to twice the maximum levels in in 1950 and twice the highest levels in the last 800,000 years. How do you explain? Are you curious? Does this worry you at all?

https://climate.nasa.gov/climate_resources/24/graphic-the-relentless-rise-of-carbon-dioxide/

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Who was measuring CO2 800,000 or 200 years ago? What technology was used?

Harrison Bergeron said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Porteroso said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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Porteroso said:

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4th and Inches said:

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ron.reagan said:

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There is a big difference between not believing left wing ideas will help climate change and being an arrogant idiot.

---

there is a big difference between actually solving climate change and what the left is doing

---

Thats true, however it's a generalization. The right generally denies the science of climate change, so i can't blame the lefties when they are defacto slightly ahead. Neither side doing much good but at least one side doesn't put its head in a plastic bag when the dreaded phrase is uttered.

---

It's not about "putting your head in a plastic bag" - it's about facing reality. The climate is going to do what the climate does and human kind simply doesn't have the power or the ability to alter it or change it to any material degree no matter how many $$trillions we throw at it and no matter what we do with curbing CO2 emissions. We could literally go back to living in the Stone Age and it wouldn't alter the climate to any material degree as again humans just don't have the ability to change the climate - for good or for bad. Period.

---

How are you this ignorant? We already had a climate crisis that we then fixed. Do you know about the ozone layer? Also this know-it-all attitude of "7bn people couldn't alter the climate if they tried" is just so ignorant I don't know where to begin. I don't know what to call it anymore, because willful ignorance is something much less.

Maybe if you made yourself a rule, read a book for every Tucker Carlson segment you watch, but what a joke.

---

90% of lead removed from air, smog much reduced, water ways recovering.
There has been some good

---

What you're alluding to is about being environmentally responsible - which is an entirely different subject, and anyone in their right mind is in favor of it. And yes, in that regard, there is quite a bit of good news regarding the progress that has been made over the last 50 years - especially in the USA. On the other hand, the asinine, idiotic belief that us humans can alter the climate to any meaningful degree is a whole other topic that sadly millions have been brainwashed to believe like Poteroso - whom I bet was one of the chicken littles 30 years ago whining about the end of the world coming by 1999.

---

CO2 has risen to twice the maximum levels in in 1950 and twice the highest levels in the last 800,000 years. How do you explain? Are you curious? Does this worry you at all?

https://climate.nasa.gov/climate_resources/24/graphic-the-relentless-rise-of-carbon-dioxide/

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Who was measuring CO2 800,000 or 200 years ago? What technology was used?

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The doctor probably used his sonic screwdriver

Harrison Bergeron said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Porteroso said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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Porteroso said:

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4th and Inches said:

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ron.reagan said:

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There is a big difference between not believing left wing ideas will help climate change and being an arrogant idiot.

---

there is a big difference between actually solving climate change and what the left is doing

---

Thats true, however it's a generalization. The right generally denies the science of climate change, so i can't blame the lefties when they are defacto slightly ahead. Neither side doing much good but at least one side doesn't put its head in a plastic bag when the dreaded phrase is uttered.

---

It's not about "putting your head in a plastic bag" - it's about facing reality. The climate is going to do what the climate does and human kind simply doesn't have the power or the ability to alter it or change it to any material degree no matter how many $$trillions we throw at it and no matter what we do with curbing CO2 emissions. We could literally go back to living in the Stone Age and it wouldn't alter the climate to any material degree as again humans just don't have the ability to change the climate - for good or for bad. Period.

---

How are you this ignorant? We already had a climate crisis that we then fixed. Do you know about the ozone layer? Also this know-it-all attitude of "7bn people couldn't alter the climate if they tried" is just so ignorant I don't know where to begin. I don't know what to call it anymore, because willful ignorance is something much less.

Maybe if you made yourself a rule, read a book for every Tucker Carlson segment you watch, but what a joke.

---

90% of lead removed from air, smog much reduced, water ways recovering.
There has been some good

---

What you're alluding to is about being environmentally responsible - which is an entirely different subject, and anyone in their right mind is in favor of it. And yes, in that regard, there is quite a bit of good news regarding the progress that has been made over the last 50 years - especially in the USA. On the other hand, the asinine, idiotic belief that us humans can alter the climate to any meaningful degree is a whole other topic that sadly millions have been brainwashed to believe like Poteroso - whom I bet was one of the chicken littles 30 years ago whining about the end of the world coming by 1999.

---

CO2 has risen to twice the maximum levels in in 1950 and twice the highest levels in the last 800,000 years. How do you explain? Are you curious? Does this worry you at all?

https://climate.nasa.gov/climate_resources/24/graphic-the-relentless-rise-of-carbon-dioxide/

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Who was measuring CO2 800,000 or 200 years ago? What technology was used?

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That's what I meant in my post. The activists Oso referenced are using computer models, simulations based on subjective and untested assumptions.

In sum, as I said, hysterics.

4th and Inches said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Porteroso said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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Porteroso said:

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4th and Inches said:

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ron.reagan said:

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There is a big difference between not believing left wing ideas will help climate change and being an arrogant idiot.

---

there is a big difference between actually solving climate change and what the left is doing

---

Thats true, however it's a generalization. The right generally denies the science of climate change, so i can't blame the lefties when they are defacto slightly ahead. Neither side doing much good but at least one side doesn't put its head in a plastic bag when the dreaded phrase is uttered.

---

It's not about "putting your head in a plastic bag" - it's about facing reality. The climate is going to do what the climate does and human kind simply doesn't have the power or the ability to alter it or change it to any material degree no matter how many $$trillions we throw at it and no matter what we do with curbing CO2 emissions. We could literally go back to living in the Stone Age and it wouldn't alter the climate to any material degree as again humans just don't have the ability to change the climate - for good or for bad. Period.

---

How are you this ignorant? We already had a climate crisis that we then fixed. Do you know about the ozone layer? Also this know-it-all attitude of "7bn people couldn't alter the climate if they tried" is just so ignorant I don't know where to begin. I don't know what to call it anymore, because willful ignorance is something much less.

Maybe if you made yourself a rule, read a book for every Tucker Carlson segment you watch, but what a joke.

---

90% of lead removed from air, smog much reduced, water ways recovering.
There has been some good

---

What you're alluding to is about being environmentally responsible - which is an entirely different subject, and anyone in their right mind is in favor of it. And yes, in that regard, there is quite a bit of good news regarding the progress that has been made over the last 50 years - especially in the USA. On the other hand, the asinine, idiotic belief that us humans can alter the climate to any meaningful degree is a whole other topic that sadly millions have been brainwashed to believe like Poteroso - whom I bet was one of the chicken littles 30 years ago whining about the end of the world coming by 1999.

---

CO2 has risen to twice the maximum levels in in 1950 and twice the highest levels in the last 800,000 years. How do you explain? Are you curious? Does this worry you at all?

https://climate.nasa.gov/climate_resources/24/graphic-the-relentless-rise-of-carbon-dioxide/

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Who was measuring CO2 800,000 or 200 years ago? What technology was used?

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The doctor probably used his sonic screwdriver

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You saying Oso's been listening to the Daleks?

Oldbear83 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Porteroso said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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Porteroso said:

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4th and Inches said:

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ron.reagan said:

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There is a big difference between not believing left wing ideas will help climate change and being an arrogant idiot.

---

there is a big difference between actually solving climate change and what the left is doing

---

Thats true, however it's a generalization. The right generally denies the science of climate change, so i can't blame the lefties when they are defacto slightly ahead. Neither side doing much good but at least one side doesn't put its head in a plastic bag when the dreaded phrase is uttered.

---

It's not about "putting your head in a plastic bag" - it's about facing reality. The climate is going to do what the climate does and human kind simply doesn't have the power or the ability to alter it or change it to any material degree no matter how many $$trillions we throw at it and no matter what we do with curbing CO2 emissions. We could literally go back to living in the Stone Age and it wouldn't alter the climate to any material degree as again humans just don't have the ability to change the climate - for good or for bad. Period.

---

How are you this ignorant? We already had a climate crisis that we then fixed. Do you know about the ozone layer? Also this know-it-all attitude of "7bn people couldn't alter the climate if they tried" is just so ignorant I don't know where to begin. I don't know what to call it anymore, because willful ignorance is something much less.

Maybe if you made yourself a rule, read a book for every Tucker Carlson segment you watch, but what a joke.

---

90% of lead removed from air, smog much reduced, water ways recovering.
There has been some good

---

What you're alluding to is about being environmentally responsible - which is an entirely different subject, and anyone in their right mind is in favor of it. And yes, in that regard, there is quite a bit of good news regarding the progress that has been made over the last 50 years - especially in the USA. On the other hand, the asinine, idiotic belief that us humans can alter the climate to any meaningful degree is a whole other topic that sadly millions have been brainwashed to believe like Poteroso - whom I bet was one of the chicken littles 30 years ago whining about the end of the world coming by 1999.

---

CO2 has risen to twice the maximum levels in in 1950 and twice the highest levels in the last 800,000 years. How do you explain? Are you curious? Does this worry you at all?

https://climate.nasa.gov/climate_resources/24/graphic-the-relentless-rise-of-carbon-dioxide/

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Who was measuring CO2 800,000 or 200 years ago? What technology was used?

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That's what I meant in my post. The activists Oso referenced are using computer models, simulations based on subjective and untested assumptions.

In sum, as I said, hysterics.

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There is no way this could be true. There is no way people would base global-changing policy and authoritarianism without real data and just man-made models by scientists funded by climate fascists.

Harrison Bergeron said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Porteroso said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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Porteroso said:

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4th and Inches said:

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ron.reagan said:

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There is a big difference between not believing left wing ideas will help climate change and being an arrogant idiot.

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there is a big difference between actually solving climate change and what the left is doing

---

Thats true, however it's a generalization. The right generally denies the science of climate change, so i can't blame the lefties when they are defacto slightly ahead. Neither side doing much good but at least one side doesn't put its head in a plastic bag when the dreaded phrase is uttered.

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It's not about "putting your head in a plastic bag" - it's about facing reality. The climate is going to do what the climate does and human kind simply doesn't have the power or the ability to alter it or change it to any material degree no matter how many $$trillions we throw at it and no matter what we do with curbing CO2 emissions. We could literally go back to living in the Stone Age and it wouldn't alter the climate to any material degree as again humans just don't have the ability to change the climate - for good or for bad. Period.

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How are you this ignorant? We already had a climate crisis that we then fixed. Do you know about the ozone layer? Also this know-it-all attitude of "7bn people couldn't alter the climate if they tried" is just so ignorant I don't know where to begin. I don't know what to call it anymore, because willful ignorance is something much less.

Maybe if you made yourself a rule, read a book for every Tucker Carlson segment you watch, but what a joke.

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90% of lead removed from air, smog much reduced, water ways recovering.
There has been some good

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What you're alluding to is about being environmentally responsible - which is an entirely different subject, and anyone in their right mind is in favor of it. And yes, in that regard, there is quite a bit of good news regarding the progress that has been made over the last 50 years - especially in the USA. On the other hand, the asinine, idiotic belief that us humans can alter the climate to any meaningful degree is a whole other topic that sadly millions have been brainwashed to believe like Poteroso - whom I bet was one of the chicken littles 30 years ago whining about the end of the world coming by 1999.

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CO2 has risen to twice the maximum levels in in 1950 and twice the highest levels in the last 800,000 years. How do you explain? Are you curious? Does this worry you at all?

https://climate.nasa.gov/climate_resources/24/graphic-the-relentless-rise-of-carbon-dioxide/

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Who was measuring CO2 800,000 or 200 years ago? What technology was used?

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That's what I meant in my post. The activists Oso referenced are using computer models, simulations based on subjective and untested assumptions.

In sum, as I said, hysterics.

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There is no way this could be true. There is no way people would base global-changing policy and authoritarianism without real data and just man-made models by scientists funded by climate fascists.

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The CO2 measurement in 1950 & 2022 is a fact.

Osodecentx said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Porteroso said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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Porteroso said:

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4th and Inches said:

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ron.reagan said:

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There is a big difference between not believing left wing ideas will help climate change and being an arrogant idiot.

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there is a big difference between actually solving climate change and what the left is doing

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Thats true, however it's a generalization. The right generally denies the science of climate change, so i can't blame the lefties when they are defacto slightly ahead. Neither side doing much good but at least one side doesn't put its head in a plastic bag when the dreaded phrase is uttered.

---

It's not about "putting your head in a plastic bag" - it's about facing reality. The climate is going to do what the climate does and human kind simply doesn't have the power or the ability to alter it or change it to any material degree no matter how many $$trillions we throw at it and no matter what we do with curbing CO2 emissions. We could literally go back to living in the Stone Age and it wouldn't alter the climate to any material degree as again humans just don't have the ability to change the climate - for good or for bad. Period.

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How are you this ignorant? We already had a climate crisis that we then fixed. Do you know about the ozone layer? Also this know-it-all attitude of "7bn people couldn't alter the climate if they tried" is just so ignorant I don't know where to begin. I don't know what to call it anymore, because willful ignorance is something much less.

Maybe if you made yourself a rule, read a book for every Tucker Carlson segment you watch, but what a joke.

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90% of lead removed from air, smog much reduced, water ways recovering.
There has been some good

---

What you're alluding to is about being environmentally responsible - which is an entirely different subject, and anyone in their right mind is in favor of it. And yes, in that regard, there is quite a bit of good news regarding the progress that has been made over the last 50 years - especially in the USA. On the other hand, the asinine, idiotic belief that us humans can alter the climate to any meaningful degree is a whole other topic that sadly millions have been brainwashed to believe like Poteroso - whom I bet was one of the chicken littles 30 years ago whining about the end of the world coming by 1999.

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CO2 has risen to twice the maximum levels in in 1950 and twice the highest levels in the last 800,000 years. How do you explain? Are you curious? Does this worry you at all?

https://climate.nasa.gov/climate_resources/24/graphic-the-relentless-rise-of-carbon-dioxide/

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Who was measuring CO2 800,000 or 200 years ago? What technology was used?

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That's what I meant in my post. The activists Oso referenced are using computer models, simulations based on subjective and untested assumptions.

In sum, as I said, hysterics.

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There is no way this could be true. There is no way people would base global-changing policy and authoritarianism without real data and just man-made models by scientists funded by climate fascists.

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The CO2 measurement in 1950 & 2022 is a fact.

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Would you contend that the pertinent technology in and before 1950 was the same as now?

Harrison Bergeron said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Porteroso said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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Porteroso said:

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4th and Inches said:

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ron.reagan said:

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There is a big difference between not believing left wing ideas will help climate change and being an arrogant idiot.

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there is a big difference between actually solving climate change and what the left is doing

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Thats true, however it's a generalization. The right generally denies the science of climate change, so i can't blame the lefties when they are defacto slightly ahead. Neither side doing much good but at least one side doesn't put its head in a plastic bag when the dreaded phrase is uttered.

---

It's not about "putting your head in a plastic bag" - it's about facing reality. The climate is going to do what the climate does and human kind simply doesn't have the power or the ability to alter it or change it to any material degree no matter how many $$trillions we throw at it and no matter what we do with curbing CO2 emissions. We could literally go back to living in the Stone Age and it wouldn't alter the climate to any material degree as again humans just don't have the ability to change the climate - for good or for bad. Period.

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How are you this ignorant? We already had a climate crisis that we then fixed. Do you know about the ozone layer? Also this know-it-all attitude of "7bn people couldn't alter the climate if they tried" is just so ignorant I don't know where to begin. I don't know what to call it anymore, because willful ignorance is something much less.

Maybe if you made yourself a rule, read a book for every Tucker Carlson segment you watch, but what a joke.

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90% of lead removed from air, smog much reduced, water ways recovering.
There has been some good

---

What you're alluding to is about being environmentally responsible - which is an entirely different subject, and anyone in their right mind is in favor of it. And yes, in that regard, there is quite a bit of good news regarding the progress that has been made over the last 50 years - especially in the USA. On the other hand, the asinine, idiotic belief that us humans can alter the climate to any meaningful degree is a whole other topic that sadly millions have been brainwashed to believe like Poteroso - whom I bet was one of the chicken littles 30 years ago whining about the end of the world coming by 1999.

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CO2 has risen to twice the maximum levels in in 1950 and twice the highest levels in the last 800,000 years. How do you explain? Are you curious? Does this worry you at all?

https://climate.nasa.gov/climate_resources/24/graphic-the-relentless-rise-of-carbon-dioxide/

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Who was measuring CO2 800,000 or 200 years ago? What technology was used?

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That's what I meant in my post. The activists Oso referenced are using computer models, simulations based on subjective and untested assumptions.

In sum, as I said, hysterics.

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There is no way this could be true. There is no way people would base global-changing policy and authoritarianism without real data and just man-made models by scientists funded by climate fascists.

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Fauci says hi.

Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Porteroso said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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Porteroso said:

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4th and Inches said:

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ron.reagan said:

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There is a big difference between not believing left wing ideas will help climate change and being an arrogant idiot.

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there is a big difference between actually solving climate change and what the left is doing

---

Thats true, however it's a generalization. The right generally denies the science of climate change, so i can't blame the lefties when they are defacto slightly ahead. Neither side doing much good but at least one side doesn't put its head in a plastic bag when the dreaded phrase is uttered.

---

It's not about "putting your head in a plastic bag" - it's about facing reality. The climate is going to do what the climate does and human kind simply doesn't have the power or the ability to alter it or change it to any material degree no matter how many $$trillions we throw at it and no matter what we do with curbing CO2 emissions. We could literally go back to living in the Stone Age and it wouldn't alter the climate to any material degree as again humans just don't have the ability to change the climate - for good or for bad. Period.

---

How are you this ignorant? We already had a climate crisis that we then fixed. Do you know about the ozone layer? Also this know-it-all attitude of "7bn people couldn't alter the climate if they tried" is just so ignorant I don't know where to begin. I don't know what to call it anymore, because willful ignorance is something much less.

Maybe if you made yourself a rule, read a book for every Tucker Carlson segment you watch, but what a joke.

---

90% of lead removed from air, smog much reduced, water ways recovering.
There has been some good

---

What you're alluding to is about being environmentally responsible - which is an entirely different subject, and anyone in their right mind is in favor of it. And yes, in that regard, there is quite a bit of good news regarding the progress that has been made over the last 50 years - especially in the USA. On the other hand, the asinine, idiotic belief that us humans can alter the climate to any meaningful degree is a whole other topic that sadly millions have been brainwashed to believe like Poteroso - whom I bet was one of the chicken littles 30 years ago whining about the end of the world coming by 1999.

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CO2 has risen to twice the maximum levels in in 1950 and twice the highest levels in the last 800,000 years. How do you explain? Are you curious? Does this worry you at all?

https://climate.nasa.gov/climate_resources/24/graphic-the-relentless-rise-of-carbon-dioxide/

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Assuming CO2 is even doing the things the hysterics claim is one blunder.

Assuming we have even been tracking CO2 to any serious degree before 1980 is another.

Strange, since Oso correctly observed that getting lead out of the air was a good thing (and lead's damage to health was proven, something NEVER done with CO2 - I guess Oso thinks trees are a threat to the biosphere?)

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I love the way man made climate change cultists and the dupes that believe them refer to CO2 as if it is roughly equivalent to mustard gas. CO2 is a natural element which has existed in varying amounts in the atmosphere throughout eons of time and is obviously much needed to sustain life on earth. Last time I checked, life on earth is still flourishing.

Nobody is saying forget about or ignore science - when we're actually talking about REAL science. You can believe in REAL science and simultaneously also believe in common sense and even using a modicum of common sense (which virtually doesn't exist on the left) should tell you the man made climate change worshippers are out of their minds.

Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Porteroso said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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Porteroso said:

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4th and Inches said:

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ron.reagan said:

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There is a big difference between not believing left wing ideas will help climate change and being an arrogant idiot.

---

there is a big difference between actually solving climate change and what the left is doing

---

Thats true, however it's a generalization. The right generally denies the science of climate change, so i can't blame the lefties when they are defacto slightly ahead. Neither side doing much good but at least one side doesn't put its head in a plastic bag when the dreaded phrase is uttered.

---

It's not about "putting your head in a plastic bag" - it's about facing reality. The climate is going to do what the climate does and human kind simply doesn't have the power or the ability to alter it or change it to any material degree no matter how many $$trillions we throw at it and no matter what we do with curbing CO2 emissions. We could literally go back to living in the Stone Age and it wouldn't alter the climate to any material degree as again humans just don't have the ability to change the climate - for good or for bad. Period.

---

How are you this ignorant? We already had a climate crisis that we then fixed. Do you know about the ozone layer? Also this know-it-all attitude of "7bn people couldn't alter the climate if they tried" is just so ignorant I don't know where to begin. I don't know what to call it anymore, because willful ignorance is something much less.

Maybe if you made yourself a rule, read a book for every Tucker Carlson segment you watch, but what a joke.

---

90% of lead removed from air, smog much reduced, water ways recovering.
There has been some good

---

What you're alluding to is about being environmentally responsible - which is an entirely different subject, and anyone in their right mind is in favor of it. And yes, in that regard, there is quite a bit of good news regarding the progress that has been made over the last 50 years - especially in the USA. On the other hand, the asinine, idiotic belief that us humans can alter the climate to any meaningful degree is a whole other topic that sadly millions have been brainwashed to believe like Poteroso - whom I bet was one of the chicken littles 30 years ago whining about the end of the world coming by 1999.

---

CO2 has risen to twice the maximum levels in in 1950 and twice the highest levels in the last 800,000 years. How do you explain? Are you curious? Does this worry you at all?

https://climate.nasa.gov/climate_resources/24/graphic-the-relentless-rise-of-carbon-dioxide/

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Who was measuring CO2 800,000 or 200 years ago? What technology was used?

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That's what I meant in my post. The activists Oso referenced are using computer models, simulations based on subjective and untested assumptions.

In sum, as I said, hysterics.

---

There is no way this could be true. There is no way people would base global-changing policy and authoritarianism without real data and just man-made models by scientists funded by climate fascists.

---

The CO2 measurement in 1950 & 2022 is a fact.

---

Would you contend that the pertinent technology in and before 1950 was the same as now?

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Here is a website showing the measurements of CO2 in the atmosphere since the late 50s. If you dispute the science, I'd be proud to read your argument. In all of my reading, I've not found anybody who disputes the finding that atmospheric CO2 has increased in recent decades.
https://gml.noaa.gov/obop/mlo/programs/esrl/co2/co2.html

I said nothing about the effects of increased CO2 or its origins.

For reasons unknown, you seem to be afraid of admitting that the CO2 has increased in recent decades.

Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Porteroso said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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Porteroso said:

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4th and Inches said:

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ron.reagan said:

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There is a big difference between not believing left wing ideas will help climate change and being an arrogant idiot.

---

there is a big difference between actually solving climate change and what the left is doing

---

Thats true, however it's a generalization. The right generally denies the science of climate change, so i can't blame the lefties when they are defacto slightly ahead. Neither side doing much good but at least one side doesn't put its head in a plastic bag when the dreaded phrase is uttered.

---

It's not about "putting your head in a plastic bag" - it's about facing reality. The climate is going to do what the climate does and human kind simply doesn't have the power or the ability to alter it or change it to any material degree no matter how many $$trillions we throw at it and no matter what we do with curbing CO2 emissions. We could literally go back to living in the Stone Age and it wouldn't alter the climate to any material degree as again humans just don't have the ability to change the climate - for good or for bad. Period.

---

How are you this ignorant? We already had a climate crisis that we then fixed. Do you know about the ozone layer? Also this know-it-all attitude of "7bn people couldn't alter the climate if they tried" is just so ignorant I don't know where to begin. I don't know what to call it anymore, because willful ignorance is something much less.

Maybe if you made yourself a rule, read a book for every Tucker Carlson segment you watch, but what a joke.

---

90% of lead removed from air, smog much reduced, water ways recovering.
There has been some good

---

What you're alluding to is about being environmentally responsible - which is an entirely different subject, and anyone in their right mind is in favor of it. And yes, in that regard, there is quite a bit of good news regarding the progress that has been made over the last 50 years - especially in the USA. On the other hand, the asinine, idiotic belief that us humans can alter the climate to any meaningful degree is a whole other topic that sadly millions have been brainwashed to believe like Poteroso - whom I bet was one of the chicken littles 30 years ago whining about the end of the world coming by 1999.

---

CO2 has risen to twice the maximum levels in in 1950 and twice the highest levels in the last 800,000 years. How do you explain? Are you curious? Does this worry you at all?

https://climate.nasa.gov/climate_resources/24/graphic-the-relentless-rise-of-carbon-dioxide/

---

Who was measuring CO2 800,000 or 200 years ago? What technology was used?

---

That's what I meant in my post. The activists Oso referenced are using computer models, simulations based on subjective and untested assumptions.

In sum, as I said, hysterics.

---

There is no way this could be true. There is no way people would base global-changing policy and authoritarianism without real data and just man-made models by scientists funded by climate fascists.

---

The CO2 measurement in 1950 & 2022 is a fact.

---

Would you contend that the pertinent technology in and before 1950 was the same as now?

---

Here is a website showing the measurements of CO2 in the atmosphere since the late 50s. If you dispute the science, I'd be proud to read your argument. In all of my reading, I've not found anybody who disputes the finding that atmospheric CO2 has increased in recent decades.
https://gml.noaa.gov/obop/mlo/programs/esrl/co2/co2.html

I said nothing about the effects of increased CO2 or its origins.

For reasons unknown, you seem to be afraid of admitting that the CO2 has increased in recent decades.

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You're being dishonest\, Oso.

1. You won't admit there are variances in methods of collection and analysis. That's very valid criticism and you hide from it.

2. You have yet to show any evidence that CO2 has caused anything we should worry about. That also is important.

We have a lot of real issues to address. Vaporphobia doesn't make the top 1000.

Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Porteroso said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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Porteroso said:

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4th and Inches said:

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ron.reagan said:

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There is a big difference between not believing left wing ideas will help climate change and being an arrogant idiot.

---

there is a big difference between actually solving climate change and what the left is doing

---

Thats true, however it's a generalization. The right generally denies the science of climate change, so i can't blame the lefties when they are defacto slightly ahead. Neither side doing much good but at least one side doesn't put its head in a plastic bag when the dreaded phrase is uttered.

---

It's not about "putting your head in a plastic bag" - it's about facing reality. The climate is going to do what the climate does and human kind simply doesn't have the power or the ability to alter it or change it to any material degree no matter how many $$trillions we throw at it and no matter what we do with curbing CO2 emissions. We could literally go back to living in the Stone Age and it wouldn't alter the climate to any material degree as again humans just don't have the ability to change the climate - for good or for bad. Period.

---

How are you this ignorant? We already had a climate crisis that we then fixed. Do you know about the ozone layer? Also this know-it-all attitude of "7bn people couldn't alter the climate if they tried" is just so ignorant I don't know where to begin. I don't know what to call it anymore, because willful ignorance is something much less.

Maybe if you made yourself a rule, read a book for every Tucker Carlson segment you watch, but what a joke.

---

90% of lead removed from air, smog much reduced, water ways recovering.
There has been some good

---

What you're alluding to is about being environmentally responsible - which is an entirely different subject, and anyone in their right mind is in favor of it. And yes, in that regard, there is quite a bit of good news regarding the progress that has been made over the last 50 years - especially in the USA. On the other hand, the asinine, idiotic belief that us humans can alter the climate to any meaningful degree is a whole other topic that sadly millions have been brainwashed to believe like Poteroso - whom I bet was one of the chicken littles 30 years ago whining about the end of the world coming by 1999.

---

CO2 has risen to twice the maximum levels in in 1950 and twice the highest levels in the last 800,000 years. How do you explain? Are you curious? Does this worry you at all?

https://climate.nasa.gov/climate_resources/24/graphic-the-relentless-rise-of-carbon-dioxide/

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Who was measuring CO2 800,000 or 200 years ago? What technology was used?

---

That's what I meant in my post. The activists Oso referenced are using computer models, simulations based on subjective and untested assumptions.

In sum, as I said, hysterics.

---

There is no way this could be true. There is no way people would base global-changing policy and authoritarianism without real data and just man-made models by scientists funded by climate fascists.

---

The CO2 measurement in 1950 & 2022 is a fact.

---

Would you contend that the pertinent technology in and before 1950 was the same as now?

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I would contend that there was no relevant difference and that, if asked to cite such a difference, you would be 1) unable and 2) uncivil.

Looks like I wasn't far off.

Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Porteroso said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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Porteroso said:

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4th and Inches said:

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ron.reagan said:

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There is a big difference between not believing left wing ideas will help climate change and being an arrogant idiot.

---

there is a big difference between actually solving climate change and what the left is doing

---

Thats true, however it's a generalization. The right generally denies the science of climate change, so i can't blame the lefties when they are defacto slightly ahead. Neither side doing much good but at least one side doesn't put its head in a plastic bag when the dreaded phrase is uttered.

---

It's not about "putting your head in a plastic bag" - it's about facing reality. The climate is going to do what the climate does and human kind simply doesn't have the power or the ability to alter it or change it to any material degree no matter how many $$trillions we throw at it and no matter what we do with curbing CO2 emissions. We could literally go back to living in the Stone Age and it wouldn't alter the climate to any material degree as again humans just don't have the ability to change the climate - for good or for bad. Period.

---

How are you this ignorant? We already had a climate crisis that we then fixed. Do you know about the ozone layer? Also this know-it-all attitude of "7bn people couldn't alter the climate if they tried" is just so ignorant I don't know where to begin. I don't know what to call it anymore, because willful ignorance is something much less.

Maybe if you made yourself a rule, read a book for every Tucker Carlson segment you watch, but what a joke.

---

90% of lead removed from air, smog much reduced, water ways recovering.
There has been some good

---

What you're alluding to is about being environmentally responsible - which is an entirely different subject, and anyone in their right mind is in favor of it. And yes, in that regard, there is quite a bit of good news regarding the progress that has been made over the last 50 years - especially in the USA. On the other hand, the asinine, idiotic belief that us humans can alter the climate to any meaningful degree is a whole other topic that sadly millions have been brainwashed to believe like Poteroso - whom I bet was one of the chicken littles 30 years ago whining about the end of the world coming by 1999.

---

CO2 has risen to twice the maximum levels in in 1950 and twice the highest levels in the last 800,000 years. How do you explain? Are you curious? Does this worry you at all?

https://climate.nasa.gov/climate_resources/24/graphic-the-relentless-rise-of-carbon-dioxide/

---

Who was measuring CO2 800,000 or 200 years ago? What technology was used?

---

That's what I meant in my post. The activists Oso referenced are using computer models, simulations based on subjective and untested assumptions.

In sum, as I said, hysterics.

---

There is no way this could be true. There is no way people would base global-changing policy and authoritarianism without real data and just man-made models by scientists funded by climate fascists.

---

The CO2 measurement in 1950 & 2022 is a fact.

---

Would you contend that the pertinent technology in and before 1950 was the same as now?

---

I would contend that there was no relevant difference and that, if asked to cite such a difference, you would be 1) unable and 2) uncivil.

Looks like I wasn't far off.

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Sam is quite the spokesman for Vaporphobia, I see.

And no Sam, that's not 'uncivil'. What's 'uncivil' is destroying Industry and insulting rational people for simply noting CO2 is an inert gas which causes no known diseases, has not been proven to cause any disasters, and which has been blown well out of proportion by people aiming to gain personally and politically.

I would contend you are ducking the truth and attacking me out of a sense of guilt.

At least Oso has not stopped to that level.

Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Porteroso said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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Porteroso said:

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4th and Inches said:

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ron.reagan said:

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There is a big difference between not believing left wing ideas will help climate change and being an arrogant idiot.

---

there is a big difference between actually solving climate change and what the left is doing

---

Thats true, however it's a generalization. The right generally denies the science of climate change, so i can't blame the lefties when they are defacto slightly ahead. Neither side doing much good but at least one side doesn't put its head in a plastic bag when the dreaded phrase is uttered.

---

It's not about "putting your head in a plastic bag" - it's about facing reality. The climate is going to do what the climate does and human kind simply doesn't have the power or the ability to alter it or change it to any material degree no matter how many $$trillions we throw at it and no matter what we do with curbing CO2 emissions. We could literally go back to living in the Stone Age and it wouldn't alter the climate to any material degree as again humans just don't have the ability to change the climate - for good or for bad. Period.

---

How are you this ignorant? We already had a climate crisis that we then fixed. Do you know about the ozone layer? Also this know-it-all attitude of "7bn people couldn't alter the climate if they tried" is just so ignorant I don't know where to begin. I don't know what to call it anymore, because willful ignorance is something much less.

Maybe if you made yourself a rule, read a book for every Tucker Carlson segment you watch, but what a joke.

---

90% of lead removed from air, smog much reduced, water ways recovering.
There has been some good

---

What you're alluding to is about being environmentally responsible - which is an entirely different subject, and anyone in their right mind is in favor of it. And yes, in that regard, there is quite a bit of good news regarding the progress that has been made over the last 50 years - especially in the USA. On the other hand, the asinine, idiotic belief that us humans can alter the climate to any meaningful degree is a whole other topic that sadly millions have been brainwashed to believe like Poteroso - whom I bet was one of the chicken littles 30 years ago whining about the end of the world coming by 1999.

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CO2 has risen to twice the maximum levels in in 1950 and twice the highest levels in the last 800,000 years. How do you explain? Are you curious? Does this worry you at all?

https://climate.nasa.gov/climate_resources/24/graphic-the-relentless-rise-of-carbon-dioxide/

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Who was measuring CO2 800,000 or 200 years ago? What technology was used?

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That's what I meant in my post. The activists Oso referenced are using computer models, simulations based on subjective and untested assumptions.

In sum, as I said, hysterics.

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There is no way this could be true. There is no way people would base global-changing policy and authoritarianism without real data and just man-made models by scientists funded by climate fascists.

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The CO2 measurement in 1950 & 2022 is a fact.

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Would you contend that the pertinent technology in and before 1950 was the same as now?

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I would contend that there was no relevant difference and that, if asked to cite such a difference, you would be 1) unable and 2) uncivil.

Looks like I wasn't far off.

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Sam is quite the spokesman for Vaporphobia, I see.

And no Sam, that's not 'uncivil'. What's 'uncivil' is destroying Industry and insulting rational people for simply noting CO2 is an inert gas which causes no known diseases, has not been proven to cause any disasters, and which has been blown well out of proportion by people aiming to gain personally and politically.

I would contend you are ducking the truth and attacking me out of a sense of guilt.

At least Oso has not stopped to that level.

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I don't have a strong opinion about climate change. I just know a bluff when I see it.

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There is a big difference between not believing left wing ideas will help climate change and being an arrogant idiot.

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there is a big difference between actually solving climate change and what the left is doing

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Thats true, however it's a generalization. The right generally denies the science of climate change, so i can't blame the lefties when they are defacto slightly ahead. Neither side doing much good but at least one side doesn't put its head in a plastic bag when the dreaded phrase is uttered.

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It's not about "putting your head in a plastic bag" - it's about facing reality. The climate is going to do what the climate does and human kind simply doesn't have the power or the ability to alter it or change it to any material degree no matter how many $$trillions we throw at it and no matter what we do with curbing CO2 emissions. We could literally go back to living in the Stone Age and it wouldn't alter the climate to any material degree as again humans just don't have the ability to change the climate - for good or for bad. Period.

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How are you this ignorant? We already had a climate crisis that we then fixed. Do you know about the ozone layer? Also this know-it-all attitude of "7bn people couldn't alter the climate if they tried" is just so ignorant I don't know where to begin. I don't know what to call it anymore, because willful ignorance is something much less.

Maybe if you made yourself a rule, read a book for every Tucker Carlson segment you watch, but what a joke.

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90% of lead removed from air, smog much reduced, water ways recovering.
There has been some good

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What you're alluding to is about being environmentally responsible - which is an entirely different subject, and anyone in their right mind is in favor of it. And yes, in that regard, there is quite a bit of good news regarding the progress that has been made over the last 50 years - especially in the USA. On the other hand, the asinine, idiotic belief that us humans can alter the climate to any meaningful degree is a whole other topic that sadly millions have been brainwashed to believe like Poteroso - whom I bet was one of the chicken littles 30 years ago whining about the end of the world coming by 1999.

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CO2 has risen to twice the maximum levels in in 1950 and twice the highest levels in the last 800,000 years. How do you explain? Are you curious? Does this worry you at all?

https://climate.nasa.gov/climate_resources/24/graphic-the-relentless-rise-of-carbon-dioxide/

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Who was measuring CO2 800,000 or 200 years ago? What technology was used?

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That's what I meant in my post. The activists Oso referenced are using computer models, simulations based on subjective and untested assumptions.

In sum, as I said, hysterics.

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There is no way this could be true. There is no way people would base global-changing policy and authoritarianism without real data and just man-made models by scientists funded by climate fascists.

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The CO2 measurement in 1950 & 2022 is a fact.

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Would you contend that the pertinent technology in and before 1950 was the same as now?

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Here is a website showing the measurements of CO2 in the atmosphere since the late 50s. If you dispute the science, I'd be proud to read your argument. In all of my reading, I've not found anybody who disputes the finding that atmospheric CO2 has increased in recent decades.
https://gml.noaa.gov/obop/mlo/programs/esrl/co2/co2.html

I said nothing about the effects of increased CO2 or its origins.

For reasons unknown, you seem to be afraid of admitting that the CO2 has increased in recent decades.

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You're being dishonest\, Oso.

1. You won't admit there are variances in methods of collection and analysis. That's very valid criticism and you hide from it.

2. You have yet to show any evidence that CO2 has caused anything we should worry about. That also is important.

We have a lot of real issues to address. Vaporphobia doesn't make the top 1000.

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I haven't made any assertions about the effects.

You haven't disputed any of the evidence that atmospheric CO2 is twice as high now since the 50s. Do you dispute the numbers NOAA and NASA have published? They aren't models, they are measurements with scientific instruments. Your anesthesiologist and pulmonologist use similar instruments. They aren't guessing what your pO2 is, they are measuring it.

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There is a big difference between not believing left wing ideas will help climate change and being an arrogant idiot.

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there is a big difference between actually solving climate change and what the left is doing

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Thats true, however it's a generalization. The right generally denies the science of climate change, so i can't blame the lefties when they are defacto slightly ahead. Neither side doing much good but at least one side doesn't put its head in a plastic bag when the dreaded phrase is uttered.

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It's not about "putting your head in a plastic bag" - it's about facing reality. The climate is going to do what the climate does and human kind simply doesn't have the power or the ability to alter it or change it to any material degree no matter how many $$trillions we throw at it and no matter what we do with curbing CO2 emissions. We could literally go back to living in the Stone Age and it wouldn't alter the climate to any material degree as again humans just don't have the ability to change the climate - for good or for bad. Period.

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How are you this ignorant? We already had a climate crisis that we then fixed. Do you know about the ozone layer? Also this know-it-all attitude of "7bn people couldn't alter the climate if they tried" is just so ignorant I don't know where to begin. I don't know what to call it anymore, because willful ignorance is something much less.

Maybe if you made yourself a rule, read a book for every Tucker Carlson segment you watch, but what a joke.

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90% of lead removed from air, smog much reduced, water ways recovering.
There has been some good

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What you're alluding to is about being environmentally responsible - which is an entirely different subject, and anyone in their right mind is in favor of it. And yes, in that regard, there is quite a bit of good news regarding the progress that has been made over the last 50 years - especially in the USA. On the other hand, the asinine, idiotic belief that us humans can alter the climate to any meaningful degree is a whole other topic that sadly millions have been brainwashed to believe like Poteroso - whom I bet was one of the chicken littles 30 years ago whining about the end of the world coming by 1999.

---

CO2 has risen to twice the maximum levels in in 1950 and twice the highest levels in the last 800,000 years. How do you explain? Are you curious? Does this worry you at all?

https://climate.nasa.gov/climate_resources/24/graphic-the-relentless-rise-of-carbon-dioxide/

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Who was measuring CO2 800,000 or 200 years ago? What technology was used?

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That's what I meant in my post. The activists Oso referenced are using computer models, simulations based on subjective and untested assumptions.

In sum, as I said, hysterics.

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There is no way this could be true. There is no way people would base global-changing policy and authoritarianism without real data and just man-made models by scientists funded by climate fascists.

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The CO2 measurement in 1950 & 2022 is a fact.

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Would you contend that the pertinent technology in and before 1950 was the same as now?

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I would contend that there was no relevant difference and that, if asked to cite such a difference, you would be 1) unable and 2) uncivil.

Looks like I wasn't far off.

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Sam is quite the spokesman for Vaporphobia, I see.

And no Sam, that's not 'uncivil'. What's 'uncivil' is destroying Industry and insulting rational people for simply noting CO2 is an inert gas which causes no known diseases, has not been proven to cause any disasters, and which has been blown well out of proportion by people aiming to gain personally and politically.

I would contend you are ducking the truth and attacking me out of a sense of guilt.

At least Oso has not stopped to that level.

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I don't have a strong opinion about climate change. I just know a bluff when I see it.

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Not in this case you don't. The matter of whether technology has changed in 72 years is salient to the discussion, although not nearly as vital as whether or not carbon dioxide is even a real threat.

You do a lot of shuffling Sam, but those points won't go away just because you try to dance around them.