More than Biden invested.Harrison Bergeron said:
How much did Trump invest in the Alaska, Georgia, N.H., Nevada, and Pennsylvania senate races?
Not his job to fundraise for other campaigns. He's got his own campaign to run.
Trump Throws Culture Warriors Under the Bus
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Not his job to fundraise for other campaigns. He's got his own campaign to run.
I was referring to your spin, not Trump's.whiterock said:
read Sam's quote again.
"I was 233-20! It was the "abortion issue," poorly handled by many Republicans, especially those that firmly insisted on No Exceptions, even in the case of Rape, Incest, or Life of the Mother, that lost large numbers of Voters. Also, the people that pushed so hard, for decades, against abortion, got their wish from the U.S. Supreme Court, & just plain disappeared, not to be seen again. Plus, Mitch stupid $'s!"
As far as spin goes, his are no worse than the spinning against him
here. Remember Kansas? Anyone in this thread dismissing Trump criticize the Kansas GOP for losses over too stringent pro-life initiatives?
And then there are the questions for which I don't have answers. Did the pro-life groups engage as robustly in federal campaigns this cycle as in the past? Or did they redirect efforts to the state level? (Which would make sense for them to do, post-Dobbs.). Did they increase or decrease spending to help save the Senate? Did they bundle for federal candidates at the same level? Or did they do that more at the state level to exploit the opening Dobbs afforded? To the extent any of that is true, wouldn't Trump's comments seem more reasonable?
Think before you slash….
every poster on this site spins.. every political journalist piece spins. Want a true picture of it? Watch CNN, the go find Newsmax story of same event and also try to find a foreign news source of same event. 3 different story spin/bias every time..Mothra said:I was referring to your spin, not Trump's.whiterock said:
read Sam's quote again.
"I was 233-20! It was the "abortion issue," poorly handled by many Republicans, especially those that firmly insisted on No Exceptions, even in the case of Rape, Incest, or Life of the Mother, that lost large numbers of Voters. Also, the people that pushed so hard, for decades, against abortion, got their wish from the U.S. Supreme Court, & just plain disappeared, not to be seen again. Plus, Mitch stupid $'s!"
As far as spin goes, his are no worse than the spinning against him
here. Remember Kansas? Anyone in this thread dismissing Trump criticize the Kansas GOP for losses over too stringent pro-life initiatives?
And then there are the questions for which I don't have answers. Did the pro-life groups engage as robustly in federal campaigns this cycle as in the past? Or did they redirect efforts to the state level? (Which would make sense for them to do, post-Dobbs.). Did they increase or decrease spending to help save the Senate? Did they bundle for federal candidates at the same level? Or did they do that more at the state level to exploit the opening Dobbs afforded? To the extent any of that is true, wouldn't Trump's comments seem more reasonable?
Think before you slash….
We dont outlay facts, we tell the high points that fit a biased narrative..
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Mothra said:I was referring to your spin, not Trump's.whiterock said:
read Sam's quote again.
"I was 233-20! It was the "abortion issue," poorly handled by many Republicans, especially those that firmly insisted on No Exceptions, even in the case of Rape, Incest, or Life of the Mother, that lost large numbers of Voters. Also, the people that pushed so hard, for decades, against abortion, got their wish from the U.S. Supreme Court, & just plain disappeared, not to be seen again. Plus, Mitch stupid $'s!"
As far as spin goes, his are no worse than the spinning against him
here. Remember Kansas? Anyone in this thread dismissing Trump criticize the Kansas GOP for losses over too stringent pro-life initiatives?
And then there are the questions for which I don't have answers. Did the pro-life groups engage as robustly in federal campaigns this cycle as in the past? Or did they redirect efforts to the state level? (Which would make sense for them to do, post-Dobbs.). Did they increase or decrease spending to help save the Senate? Did they bundle for federal candidates at the same level? Or did they do that more at the state level to exploit the opening Dobbs afforded? To the extent any of that is true, wouldn't Trump's comments seem more reasonable?
Think before you slash….
That's not spin. Fair questions for balance.
If someone insists on giving him 100% of the blame for a result for which there are a number of others had equal or greater responsibility, one can hardly blame him for poking back. His track record on pokes that there is basis for them.
The spin was you telling only part of the story, as I referenced in my initial post on this thread. Trump didn't only blame pro-lifers for not getting out the vote (an accusation of which he has no proof, BTW). He also blamed extreme pro-lifers and McConnell. You left that part out of your attempt to interpret his comments.whiterock said:Mothra said:I was referring to your spin, not Trump's.whiterock said:
read Sam's quote again.
"I was 233-20! It was the "abortion issue," poorly handled by many Republicans, especially those that firmly insisted on No Exceptions, even in the case of Rape, Incest, or Life of the Mother, that lost large numbers of Voters. Also, the people that pushed so hard, for decades, against abortion, got their wish from the U.S. Supreme Court, & just plain disappeared, not to be seen again. Plus, Mitch stupid $'s!"
As far as spin goes, his are no worse than the spinning against him
here. Remember Kansas? Anyone in this thread dismissing Trump criticize the Kansas GOP for losses over too stringent pro-life initiatives?
And then there are the questions for which I don't have answers. Did the pro-life groups engage as robustly in federal campaigns this cycle as in the past? Or did they redirect efforts to the state level? (Which would make sense for them to do, post-Dobbs.). Did they increase or decrease spending to help save the Senate? Did they bundle for federal candidates at the same level? Or did they do that more at the state level to exploit the opening Dobbs afforded? To the extent any of that is true, wouldn't Trump's comments seem more reasonable?
Think before you slash….
That's not spin. Fair questions for balance.
If someone insists on giving him 100% of the blame for a result for which there are a number of others had equal or greater responsibility, one can hardly blame him for poking back. His track record on pokes that there is basis for them.
Mothra said:The spin was you telling only part of the story, as I referenced in my initial post on this thread. Trump didn't only blame pro-lifers for not getting out the vote (an accusation of which he has no proof, BTW). He also blamed extreme pro-lifers and McConnell. You left that part out of your attempt to interpret his comments.whiterock said:Mothra said:I was referring to your spin, not Trump's.whiterock said:
read Sam's quote again.
"I was 233-20! It was the "abortion issue," poorly handled by many Republicans, especially those that firmly insisted on No Exceptions, even in the case of Rape, Incest, or Life of the Mother, that lost large numbers of Voters. Also, the people that pushed so hard, for decades, against abortion, got their wish from the U.S. Supreme Court, & just plain disappeared, not to be seen again. Plus, Mitch stupid $'s!"
As far as spin goes, his are no worse than the spinning against him
here. Remember Kansas? Anyone in this thread dismissing Trump criticize the Kansas GOP for losses over too stringent pro-life initiatives?
And then there are the questions for which I don't have answers. Did the pro-life groups engage as robustly in federal campaigns this cycle as in the past? Or did they redirect efforts to the state level? (Which would make sense for them to do, post-Dobbs.). Did they increase or decrease spending to help save the Senate? Did they bundle for federal candidates at the same level? Or did they do that more at the state level to exploit the opening Dobbs afforded? To the extent any of that is true, wouldn't Trump's comments seem more reasonable?
Think before you slash….
That's not spin. Fair questions for balance.
If someone insists on giving him 100% of the blame for a result for which there are a number of others had equal or greater responsibility, one can hardly blame him for poking back. His track record on pokes that there is basis for them.
I quoted your quote. You're making a distinction without a difference.
Now, you're just being obtuse. I will leave you to it.whiterock said:Mothra said:The spin was you telling only part of the story, as I referenced in my initial post on this thread. Trump didn't only blame pro-lifers for not getting out the vote (an accusation of which he has no proof, BTW). He also blamed extreme pro-lifers and McConnell. You left that part out of your attempt to interpret his comments.whiterock said:Mothra said:I was referring to your spin, not Trump's.whiterock said:
read Sam's quote again.
"I was 233-20! It was the "abortion issue," poorly handled by many Republicans, especially those that firmly insisted on No Exceptions, even in the case of Rape, Incest, or Life of the Mother, that lost large numbers of Voters. Also, the people that pushed so hard, for decades, against abortion, got their wish from the U.S. Supreme Court, & just plain disappeared, not to be seen again. Plus, Mitch stupid $'s!"
As far as spin goes, his are no worse than the spinning against him
here. Remember Kansas? Anyone in this thread dismissing Trump criticize the Kansas GOP for losses over too stringent pro-life initiatives?
And then there are the questions for which I don't have answers. Did the pro-life groups engage as robustly in federal campaigns this cycle as in the past? Or did they redirect efforts to the state level? (Which would make sense for them to do, post-Dobbs.). Did they increase or decrease spending to help save the Senate? Did they bundle for federal candidates at the same level? Or did they do that more at the state level to exploit the opening Dobbs afforded? To the extent any of that is true, wouldn't Trump's comments seem more reasonable?
Think before you slash….
That's not spin. Fair questions for balance.
If someone insists on giving him 100% of the blame for a result for which there are a number of others had equal or greater responsibility, one can hardly blame him for poking back. His track record on pokes that there is basis for them.
I quoted your quote. You're making a distinction without a difference.
You know what you said.
I also know what I don't know - the degree to which the pro-life organizations engaged in federal races during the 2022 cycle relative to others. It is knowable, but only with lots of research time. But we all (commentariat, everyone here) recognized and discussed the obvious after Dobbs - that the gravity of the pro-life fight would be shifting toward the state houses. The degree to which such happened mattered. And that it happened at all would be a pretty solid foundation for partial defense for a person being saddled with an unreasonable portion of blame for the 2022 disappointments. Also neatly fits the scenario of solidly winning the national congressional vote while losing a lot of statewide races - winning swing state house seats in states without competitive Senate races.Mothra said:Now, you're just being obtuse. I will leave you to it.whiterock said:Mothra said:The spin was you telling only part of the story, as I referenced in my initial post on this thread. Trump didn't only blame pro-lifers for not getting out the vote (an accusation of which he has no proof, BTW). He also blamed extreme pro-lifers and McConnell. You left that part out of your attempt to interpret his comments.whiterock said:Mothra said:I was referring to your spin, not Trump's.whiterock said:
read Sam's quote again.
"I was 233-20! It was the "abortion issue," poorly handled by many Republicans, especially those that firmly insisted on No Exceptions, even in the case of Rape, Incest, or Life of the Mother, that lost large numbers of Voters. Also, the people that pushed so hard, for decades, against abortion, got their wish from the U.S. Supreme Court, & just plain disappeared, not to be seen again. Plus, Mitch stupid $'s!"
As far as spin goes, his are no worse than the spinning against him
here. Remember Kansas? Anyone in this thread dismissing Trump criticize the Kansas GOP for losses over too stringent pro-life initiatives?
And then there are the questions for which I don't have answers. Did the pro-life groups engage as robustly in federal campaigns this cycle as in the past? Or did they redirect efforts to the state level? (Which would make sense for them to do, post-Dobbs.). Did they increase or decrease spending to help save the Senate? Did they bundle for federal candidates at the same level? Or did they do that more at the state level to exploit the opening Dobbs afforded? To the extent any of that is true, wouldn't Trump's comments seem more reasonable?
Think before you slash….
That's not spin. Fair questions for balance.
If someone insists on giving him 100% of the blame for a result for which there are a number of others had equal or greater responsibility, one can hardly blame him for poking back. His track record on pokes that there is basis for them.
I quoted your quote. You're making a distinction without a difference.
You know what you said.
That's not spin. That's a valid observation.
You're addressing a point I never made. AGAIN...I was referring to your attempts to spin Trump's comments.whiterock said:I also know what I don't know - the degree to which the pro-life organizations engaged in federal races during the 2022 cycle relative to others. It is knowable, but only with lots of research time. But we all (commentariat, everyone here) recognized and discussed the obvious after Dobbs - that the gravity of the pro-life fight would be shifting toward the state houses. The degree to which such happened mattered. And that it happened at all would be a pretty solid foundation for partial defense for a person being saddled with an unreasonable portion of blame for the 2022 disappointments. Also neatly fits the scenario of solidly winning the national congressional vote while losing a lot of statewide races - winning swing state house seats in states without competitive Senate races.Mothra said:Now, you're just being obtuse. I will leave you to it.whiterock said:Mothra said:The spin was you telling only part of the story, as I referenced in my initial post on this thread. Trump didn't only blame pro-lifers for not getting out the vote (an accusation of which he has no proof, BTW). He also blamed extreme pro-lifers and McConnell. You left that part out of your attempt to interpret his comments.whiterock said:Mothra said:I was referring to your spin, not Trump's.whiterock said:
read Sam's quote again.
"I was 233-20! It was the "abortion issue," poorly handled by many Republicans, especially those that firmly insisted on No Exceptions, even in the case of Rape, Incest, or Life of the Mother, that lost large numbers of Voters. Also, the people that pushed so hard, for decades, against abortion, got their wish from the U.S. Supreme Court, & just plain disappeared, not to be seen again. Plus, Mitch stupid $'s!"
As far as spin goes, his are no worse than the spinning against him
here. Remember Kansas? Anyone in this thread dismissing Trump criticize the Kansas GOP for losses over too stringent pro-life initiatives?
And then there are the questions for which I don't have answers. Did the pro-life groups engage as robustly in federal campaigns this cycle as in the past? Or did they redirect efforts to the state level? (Which would make sense for them to do, post-Dobbs.). Did they increase or decrease spending to help save the Senate? Did they bundle for federal candidates at the same level? Or did they do that more at the state level to exploit the opening Dobbs afforded? To the extent any of that is true, wouldn't Trump's comments seem more reasonable?
Think before you slash….
That's not spin. Fair questions for balance.
If someone insists on giving him 100% of the blame for a result for which there are a number of others had equal or greater responsibility, one can hardly blame him for poking back. His track record on pokes that there is basis for them.
I quoted your quote. You're making a distinction without a difference.
You know what you said.
That's not spin. That's a valid observation.
You're correct we (and Trump) don't know if the pro-lifers failed to turn out the vote, as he speciously alleged. That is the point.