Russia Hoax Was a Hoax

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Harrison Bergeron
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Not that we already did not know this was all fake news ... but even regressives acknowledge Russia hoax was a nothingburger.

Russian influence operations on Twitter in the 2016 presidential election reached relatively few users, most of whom were highly partisan Republicans, and the Russian accounts had no measurable impact in changing minds or influencing voter behavior, according to a study out this morning.

The study, which the New York University Center for Social Media and Politics helmed, explores the limits of what Russian disinformation and misinformation was able to achieve on one major social media platform in the 2016 elections.
Johnny Bear
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So when do Sam, Hmuck, and/or C.Jordan show up to allegedly "debunk"?
Sam Lowry
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Johnny Bear said:

So when do Sam, Hmuck, and/or C.Jordan show up to allegedly "debunk"?
Not surprised. I was never on board with the Russian panic.
Doc Holliday
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Democrats and media didn't want to concede that tens of millions of people weren't buying their BS and that's how Trump got elected. That's why they pushed this so hard. On top of that the alphabet groups weaponized the idea to target Trump.

So much corruption has been carried out over bogus claims of threats to national security such as the war on terror, russiagate, patriot act and improperly classifying information.
jh0505
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As the wold turns. Respect.
Harrison Bergeron
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Doc Holliday said:

Democrats and media didn't want to concede that tens of millions of people weren't buying their BS and that's how Trump got elected. That's why they pushed this so hard. On top of that the alphabet groups weaponized the idea to target Trump.

So much corruption has been carried out over bogus claims of threats to national security such as the war on terror, russiagate, patriot act and improperly classifying information.
Not to mention rona and and climate hysteria.
Fre3dombear
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Harrison Bergeron said:

Doc Holliday said:

Democrats and media didn't want to concede that tens of millions of people weren't buying their BS and that's how Trump got elected. That's why they pushed this so hard. On top of that the alphabet groups weaponized the idea to target Trump.

So much corruption has been carried out over bogus claims of threats to national security such as the war on terror, russiagate, patriot act and improperly classifying information.
Not to mention rona and and climate hysteria.


California is in a massive drought. Oh wait.
Johnny Bear
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Sam Lowry said:

Johnny Bear said:

So when do Sam, Hmuck, and/or C.Jordan show up to allegedly "debunk"?
Not surprised. I was never on board with the Russian panic.

So you acknowledge that it was all a total fabricated and deliberate LIE that was perpetuated for years by the dims and their teammates in the media(?).
Sam Lowry
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Johnny Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Johnny Bear said:

So when do Sam, Hmuck, and/or C.Jordan show up to allegedly "debunk"?
Not surprised. I was never on board with the Russian panic.

So you acknowledge that it was all a total fabricated and deliberate LIE that was perpetuated for years by the dims and their teammates in the media(?).
Not a total fabrication. It was a legitimate national security investigation that was politicized and turned into a fishing expedition.
D. C. Bear
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Sam Lowry said:

Johnny Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Johnny Bear said:

So when do Sam, Hmuck, and/or C.Jordan show up to allegedly "debunk"?
Not surprised. I was never on board with the Russian panic.

So you acknowledge that it was all a total fabricated and deliberate LIE that was perpetuated for years by the dims and their teammates in the media(?).
Not a total fabrication. It was a legitimate national security investigation that was politicized and turned into a fishing expedition.
If I recall, calling what happened a "legitimate national security investigation" stretches the meaning of the word legitimate well beyond its commonly accepted meaning.
Johnny Bear
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Sam Lowry said:

Johnny Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Johnny Bear said:

So when do Sam, Hmuck, and/or C.Jordan show up to allegedly "debunk"?
Not surprised. I was never on board with the Russian panic.

So you acknowledge that it was all a total fabricated and deliberate LIE that was perpetuated for years by the dims and their teammates in the media(?).
Not a total fabrication. It was a legitimate national security investigation that was politicized and turned into a fishing expedition.

LOL! How was a dossier that was a complete fabrication from the get go ever a legit "national security concern"? It didn't "become" a politicized fishing expedition - it was a politicized fishing expedition with no legit predicate from the start.
Sam Lowry
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D. C. Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Johnny Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Johnny Bear said:

So when do Sam, Hmuck, and/or C.Jordan show up to allegedly "debunk"?
Not surprised. I was never on board with the Russian panic.

So you acknowledge that it was all a total fabricated and deliberate LIE that was perpetuated for years by the dims and their teammates in the media(?).
Not a total fabrication. It was a legitimate national security investigation that was politicized and turned into a fishing expedition.
If I recall, calling what happened a "legitimate national security investigation" stretches the meaning of the word legitimate well beyond its commonly accepted meaning.
Foreign interference in elections is commonly accepted as a legitimate concern. Initially that's what the investigation was about. With the appointment of the special counsel, it became a pseudo-criminal investigation based on flawed or non-existent evidence (e.g. the Steele dossier).
Sam Lowry
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Johnny Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Johnny Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Johnny Bear said:

So when do Sam, Hmuck, and/or C.Jordan show up to allegedly "debunk"?
Not surprised. I was never on board with the Russian panic.

So you acknowledge that it was all a total fabricated and deliberate LIE that was perpetuated for years by the dims and their teammates in the media(?).
Not a total fabrication. It was a legitimate national security investigation that was politicized and turned into a fishing expedition.

LOL! How was a dossier that was a complete fabrication from the get go ever a legit "national security concern"? It didn't "become" a politicized fishing expedition - it was a politicized fishing expedition with no legit predicate from the start.
See above.
Doc Holliday
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Sam Lowry said:

Johnny Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Johnny Bear said:

So when do Sam, Hmuck, and/or C.Jordan show up to allegedly "debunk"?
Not surprised. I was never on board with the Russian panic.

So you acknowledge that it was all a total fabricated and deliberate LIE that was perpetuated for years by the dims and their teammates in the media(?).
Not a total fabrication. It was a legitimate national security investigation that was politicized and turned into a fishing expedition.
In theory, but not legitimately.

If it was legitimate, it would have revealed legitimate evidence of a national security threat.
TWD 1974
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Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Johnny Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Johnny Bear said:

So when do Sam, Hmuck, and/or C.Jordan show up to allegedly "debunk"?
Not surprised. I was never on board with the Russian panic.

So you acknowledge that it was all a total fabricated and deliberate LIE that was perpetuated for years by the dims and their teammates in the media(?).
Not a total fabrication. It was a legitimate national security investigation that was politicized and turned into a fishing expedition.
In theory, but not legitimately.

If it was legitimate, it would have revealed legitimate evidence of a national security threat.
And how, pray tell, can something be deemed legitimate or not, except by investigating it? We can criticize how the investigation was conducted, we can lament the fact that the dossier was made public, but in the early Fall of 2016 allegations from what at the time were deemed credible sources suggesting that attempts were being made to compromise a Presidential Candidate, was reason to having the FBI look into it. It was their job.
“No eye has seen, no ear has heard, and no mind has imagined what God has prepared for those who love Him.” 1 Corinthians 2:9
HuMcK
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Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Johnny Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Johnny Bear said:

So when do Sam, Hmuck, and/or C.Jordan show up to allegedly "debunk"?
Not surprised. I was never on board with the Russian panic.

So you acknowledge that it was all a total fabricated and deliberate LIE that was perpetuated for years by the dims and their teammates in the media(?).
Not a total fabrication. It was a legitimate national security investigation that was politicized and turned into a fishing expedition.
In theory, but not legitimately.

If it was legitimate, it would have revealed legitimate evidence of a national security threat.

Oh?

That's interesting, because the Senate Intelligence Committee's report did in fact state that Manafort's contacts and information exchanges with a Russian Intelligence Agent were a "grave counterintelligence threat". Sounds like, by even your own definition, the investigation was quite legitimate...

Quote on page 30:
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/7039362-Senate-Intelligence-Committee-Russia.html
Doc Holliday
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HuMcK said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Johnny Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Johnny Bear said:

So when do Sam, Hmuck, and/or C.Jordan show up to allegedly "debunk"?
Not surprised. I was never on board with the Russian panic.

So you acknowledge that it was all a total fabricated and deliberate LIE that was perpetuated for years by the dims and their teammates in the media(?).
Not a total fabrication. It was a legitimate national security investigation that was politicized and turned into a fishing expedition.
In theory, but not legitimately.

If it was legitimate, it would have revealed legitimate evidence of a national security threat.

Oh?

That's interesting, because the Senate Intelligence Committee's report did in fact state that Manafort's contacts and information exchanges with a Russian Intelligence Agent were a "grave counterintelligence threat". Sounds like, by even your own definition, the investigation was quite legitimate...

Quote on page 30:
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/7039362-Senate-Intelligence-Committee-Russia.html
Guess the source the Senate Intel Committee used to make that claim?

Lying Christopher Steele!

Muellers firm also represented Manafort btw.

The FBI concealed the fact that Christopher Steele told the FBI that Ukraine had doctored evidence against Paul Manafort. This was in September 2017, right as was Mueller starting to put Manafort through the wringer.



You fail to realize the Senate Intel Committee is a political body. Also that the DOJ/FBI meddle to hide facts and details from them.
Harrison Bergeron
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Doc Holliday said:

HuMcK said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Johnny Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Johnny Bear said:

So when do Sam, Hmuck, and/or C.Jordan show up to allegedly "debunk"?
Not surprised. I was never on board with the Russian panic.

So you acknowledge that it was all a total fabricated and deliberate LIE that was perpetuated for years by the dims and their teammates in the media(?).
Not a total fabrication. It was a legitimate national security investigation that was politicized and turned into a fishing expedition.
In theory, but not legitimately.

If it was legitimate, it would have revealed legitimate evidence of a national security threat.

Oh?

That's interesting, because the Senate Intelligence Committee's report did in fact state that Manafort's contacts and information exchanges with a Russian Intelligence Agent were a "grave counterintelligence threat". Sounds like, by even your own definition, the investigation was quite legitimate...

Quote on page 30:
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/7039362-Senate-Intelligence-Committee-Russia.html
Guess the source the Senate Intel Committee used to make that claim?

Lying Christopher Steele!

Muellers firm also represented Manafort btw.

The FBI concealed the fact that Christopher Steele told the FBI that Ukraine had doctored evidence against Paul Manafort. This was in September 2017, right as was Mueller starting to put Manafort through the wringer.



You fail to realize the Senate Intel Committee is a political body. Also that the DOJ/FBI meddle to hide facts and details from them.
Huck is the guys yelling that the House Un-American Activities Committee was patriotic and Joseph McCarthy was infallible.
Doc Holliday
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Harrison Bergeron said:

Doc Holliday said:

HuMcK said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Johnny Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Johnny Bear said:

So when do Sam, Hmuck, and/or C.Jordan show up to allegedly "debunk"?
Not surprised. I was never on board with the Russian panic.

So you acknowledge that it was all a total fabricated and deliberate LIE that was perpetuated for years by the dims and their teammates in the media(?).
Not a total fabrication. It was a legitimate national security investigation that was politicized and turned into a fishing expedition.
In theory, but not legitimately.

If it was legitimate, it would have revealed legitimate evidence of a national security threat.

Oh?

That's interesting, because the Senate Intelligence Committee's report did in fact state that Manafort's contacts and information exchanges with a Russian Intelligence Agent were a "grave counterintelligence threat". Sounds like, by even your own definition, the investigation was quite legitimate...

Quote on page 30:
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/7039362-Senate-Intelligence-Committee-Russia.html
Guess the source the Senate Intel Committee used to make that claim?

Lying Christopher Steele!

Muellers firm also represented Manafort btw.

The FBI concealed the fact that Christopher Steele told the FBI that Ukraine had doctored evidence against Paul Manafort. This was in September 2017, right as was Mueller starting to put Manafort through the wringer.



You fail to realize the Senate Intel Committee is a political body. Also that the DOJ/FBI meddle to hide facts and details from them.
Huck is the guys yelling that the House Un-American Activities Committee was patriotic and Joseph McCarthy was infallible.
He's blue pilled. His awareness of the uniparty is totally non existent.
Harrison Bergeron
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Doc Holliday said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Doc Holliday said:

HuMcK said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Johnny Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Johnny Bear said:

So when do Sam, Hmuck, and/or C.Jordan show up to allegedly "debunk"?
Not surprised. I was never on board with the Russian panic.

So you acknowledge that it was all a total fabricated and deliberate LIE that was perpetuated for years by the dims and their teammates in the media(?).
Not a total fabrication. It was a legitimate national security investigation that was politicized and turned into a fishing expedition.
In theory, but not legitimately.

If it was legitimate, it would have revealed legitimate evidence of a national security threat.

Oh?

That's interesting, because the Senate Intelligence Committee's report did in fact state that Manafort's contacts and information exchanges with a Russian Intelligence Agent were a "grave counterintelligence threat". Sounds like, by even your own definition, the investigation was quite legitimate...

Quote on page 30:
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/7039362-Senate-Intelligence-Committee-Russia.html
Guess the source the Senate Intel Committee used to make that claim?

Lying Christopher Steele!

Muellers firm also represented Manafort btw.

The FBI concealed the fact that Christopher Steele told the FBI that Ukraine had doctored evidence against Paul Manafort. This was in September 2017, right as was Mueller starting to put Manafort through the wringer.



You fail to realize the Senate Intel Committee is a political body. Also that the DOJ/FBI meddle to hide facts and details from them.
Huck is the guys yelling that the House Un-American Activities Committee was patriotic and Joseph McCarthy was infallible.
He's blue pilled. His awareness of the uniparty is totally non existent.
If Big Brother tells you so it must be true.
Golem
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xxx yyy said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Johnny Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Johnny Bear said:

So when do Sam, Hmuck, and/or C.Jordan show up to allegedly "debunk"?
Not surprised. I was never on board with the Russian panic.

So you acknowledge that it was all a total fabricated and deliberate LIE that was perpetuated for years by the dims and their teammates in the media(?).
Not a total fabrication. It was a legitimate national security investigation that was politicized and turned into a fishing expedition.
In theory, but not legitimately.

If it was legitimate, it would have revealed legitimate evidence of a national security threat.
And how, pray tell, can something be deemed legitimate or not, except by investigating it? We can criticize how the investigation was conducted, we can lament the fact that the dossier was made public, but in the early Fall of 2016 allegations from what at the time were deemed credible sources suggesting that attempts were being made to compromise a Presidential Candidate, was reason to having the FBI look into it. It was their job.



Someone (a competitive work colleague ) has alleged you are a pedophile. Because of this allegation you should be investigated as a pedophile. Is that legitimate? Well, how, pray tell, can something be deemed legitimate or not, except by investigating it?

Enjoy your investigation. You literally asked for it.

LIB,MR BEARS
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Sam Lowry said:

Johnny Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Johnny Bear said:

So when do Sam, Hmuck, and/or C.Jordan show up to allegedly "debunk"?
Not surprised. I was never on board with the Russian panic.

So you acknowledge that it was all a total fabricated and deliberate LIE that was perpetuated for years by the dims and their teammates in the media(?).
Not a total fabrication. It was a legitimate national security investigation that was politicized and turned into a fishing expedition.
Would investigating your hours spent on this sight and whether or not they were being charged as billable hours be a legitimate investigation? I mean it could be a legitimate fraud concern.
Sam Lowry
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LIB,MR BEARS said:

Sam Lowry said:

Johnny Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Johnny Bear said:

So when do Sam, Hmuck, and/or C.Jordan show up to allegedly "debunk"?
Not surprised. I was never on board with the Russian panic.

So you acknowledge that it was all a total fabricated and deliberate LIE that was perpetuated for years by the dims and their teammates in the media(?).
Not a total fabrication. It was a legitimate national security investigation that was politicized and turned into a fishing expedition.
Would investigating your hours spent on this sight and whether or not they were being charged as billable hours be a legitimate investigation? I mean it could be a legitimate fraud concern.
Doubling down on the stupid, I see.
LIB,MR BEARS
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Sam Lowry said:

LIB,MR BEARS said:

Sam Lowry said:

Johnny Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Johnny Bear said:

So when do Sam, Hmuck, and/or C.Jordan show up to allegedly "debunk"?
Not surprised. I was never on board with the Russian panic.

So you acknowledge that it was all a total fabricated and deliberate LIE that was perpetuated for years by the dims and their teammates in the media(?).
Not a total fabrication. It was a legitimate national security investigation that was politicized and turned into a fishing expedition.
Would investigating your hours spent on this sight and whether or not they were being charged as billable hours be a legitimate investigation? I mean it could be a legitimate fraud concern.
Doubling down on the stupid, I see.
Yes. Your definition of legitimate is stupid.
Doc Holliday
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xxx yyy said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Johnny Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Johnny Bear said:

So when do Sam, Hmuck, and/or C.Jordan show up to allegedly "debunk"?
Not surprised. I was never on board with the Russian panic.

So you acknowledge that it was all a total fabricated and deliberate LIE that was perpetuated for years by the dims and their teammates in the media(?).
Not a total fabrication. It was a legitimate national security investigation that was politicized and turned into a fishing expedition.
In theory, but not legitimately.

If it was legitimate, it would have revealed legitimate evidence of a national security threat.
And how, pray tell, can something be deemed legitimate or not, except by investigating it? We can criticize how the investigation was conducted, we can lament the fact that the dossier was made public, but in the early Fall of 2016 allegations from what at the time were deemed credible sources suggesting that attempts were being made to compromise a Presidential Candidate, was reason to having the FBI look into it. It was their job.
By evaluating the initial evidence to the point of 100% undeniable proof.

There's layers to this, its a two-part investigation. Investigation is brought on by investigating initial evidence. In this case the evidence was bogus...yet it was treated as legitimate despite the FBI actually knowing for a fact it was bs.

It's not their job to play politics, but they do.
Sam Lowry
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Doc Holliday said:

xxx yyy said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Johnny Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Johnny Bear said:

So when do Sam, Hmuck, and/or C.Jordan show up to allegedly "debunk"?
Not surprised. I was never on board with the Russian panic.

So you acknowledge that it was all a total fabricated and deliberate LIE that was perpetuated for years by the dims and their teammates in the media(?).
Not a total fabrication. It was a legitimate national security investigation that was politicized and turned into a fishing expedition.
In theory, but not legitimately.

If it was legitimate, it would have revealed legitimate evidence of a national security threat.
And how, pray tell, can something be deemed legitimate or not, except by investigating it? We can criticize how the investigation was conducted, we can lament the fact that the dossier was made public, but in the early Fall of 2016 allegations from what at the time were deemed credible sources suggesting that attempts were being made to compromise a Presidential Candidate, was reason to having the FBI look into it. It was their job.
By evaluating the initial evidence to the point of 100% undeniable proof.

There's layers to this, its a two-part investigation. Investigation is brought on by investigating initial evidence. In this case the evidence was bogus...yet it was treated as legitimate despite the FBI actually knowing for a fact it was bs.

It's not their job to play politics, but they do.
There is good evidence of foreign influence campaigns. Even the study cited in the OP recognizes that.
D. C. Bear
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Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

xxx yyy said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Johnny Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Johnny Bear said:

So when do Sam, Hmuck, and/or C.Jordan show up to allegedly "debunk"?
Not surprised. I was never on board with the Russian panic.

So you acknowledge that it was all a total fabricated and deliberate LIE that was perpetuated for years by the dims and their teammates in the media(?).
Not a total fabrication. It was a legitimate national security investigation that was politicized and turned into a fishing expedition.
In theory, but not legitimately.

If it was legitimate, it would have revealed legitimate evidence of a national security threat.
And how, pray tell, can something be deemed legitimate or not, except by investigating it? We can criticize how the investigation was conducted, we can lament the fact that the dossier was made public, but in the early Fall of 2016 allegations from what at the time were deemed credible sources suggesting that attempts were being made to compromise a Presidential Candidate, was reason to having the FBI look into it. It was their job.
By evaluating the initial evidence to the point of 100% undeniable proof.

There's layers to this, its a two-part investigation. Investigation is brought on by investigating initial evidence. In this case the evidence was bogus...yet it was treated as legitimate despite the FBI actually knowing for a fact it was bs.

It's not their job to play politics, but they do.
There is good evidence of foreign influence campaigns. Even the study cited in the OP recognizes that.


The Russians have sought to influence our domestic politics through disinformation for the better part of a century. This time, however, it looks like the US government used information it knew to be false to justify getting search warrants. That does not constitute a legitimate investigation and that is not acceptable conduct for people who have taken an oath to defend the constitution of the United States.
Sam Lowry
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D. C. Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

xxx yyy said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Johnny Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Johnny Bear said:

So when do Sam, Hmuck, and/or C.Jordan show up to allegedly "debunk"?
Not surprised. I was never on board with the Russian panic.

So you acknowledge that it was all a total fabricated and deliberate LIE that was perpetuated for years by the dims and their teammates in the media(?).
Not a total fabrication. It was a legitimate national security investigation that was politicized and turned into a fishing expedition.
In theory, but not legitimately.

If it was legitimate, it would have revealed legitimate evidence of a national security threat.
And how, pray tell, can something be deemed legitimate or not, except by investigating it? We can criticize how the investigation was conducted, we can lament the fact that the dossier was made public, but in the early Fall of 2016 allegations from what at the time were deemed credible sources suggesting that attempts were being made to compromise a Presidential Candidate, was reason to having the FBI look into it. It was their job.
By evaluating the initial evidence to the point of 100% undeniable proof.

There's layers to this, its a two-part investigation. Investigation is brought on by investigating initial evidence. In this case the evidence was bogus...yet it was treated as legitimate despite the FBI actually knowing for a fact it was bs.

It's not their job to play politics, but they do.
There is good evidence of foreign influence campaigns. Even the study cited in the OP recognizes that.


The Russians have sought to influence our domestic politics through disinformation for the better part of a century. This time, however, it looks like the US government used information it knew to be false to justify getting search warrants. That does not constitute a legitimate investigation and that is not acceptable conduct for people who have taken an oath to defend the constitution of the United States.
I agree. The fact that there was misconduct in the course of the investigation doesn't mean the investigation itself was never legitimate.
Wangchung
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Sam Lowry said:

D. C. Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

xxx yyy said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Johnny Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Johnny Bear said:

So when do Sam, Hmuck, and/or C.Jordan show up to allegedly "debunk"?
Not surprised. I was never on board with the Russian panic.

So you acknowledge that it was all a total fabricated and deliberate LIE that was perpetuated for years by the dims and their teammates in the media(?).
Not a total fabrication. It was a legitimate national security investigation that was politicized and turned into a fishing expedition.
In theory, but not legitimately.

If it was legitimate, it would have revealed legitimate evidence of a national security threat.
And how, pray tell, can something be deemed legitimate or not, except by investigating it? We can criticize how the investigation was conducted, we can lament the fact that the dossier was made public, but in the early Fall of 2016 allegations from what at the time were deemed credible sources suggesting that attempts were being made to compromise a Presidential Candidate, was reason to having the FBI look into it. It was their job.
By evaluating the initial evidence to the point of 100% undeniable proof.

There's layers to this, its a two-part investigation. Investigation is brought on by investigating initial evidence. In this case the evidence was bogus...yet it was treated as legitimate despite the FBI actually knowing for a fact it was bs.

It's not their job to play politics, but they do.
There is good evidence of foreign influence campaigns. Even the study cited in the OP recognizes that.


The Russians have sought to influence our domestic politics through disinformation for the better part of a century. This time, however, it looks like the US government used information it knew to be false to justify getting search warrants. That does not constitute a legitimate investigation and that is not acceptable conduct for people who have taken an oath to defend the constitution of the United States.
I agree. The fact that there was misconduct in the course of the investigation doesn't mean the investigation itself was never legitimate.
No, just the basis for it and its execution. Other than that, yeah, great investigation.
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?

Sam Lowry
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Wangchung said:

Sam Lowry said:

D. C. Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

xxx yyy said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Johnny Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Johnny Bear said:

So when do Sam, Hmuck, and/or C.Jordan show up to allegedly "debunk"?
Not surprised. I was never on board with the Russian panic.

So you acknowledge that it was all a total fabricated and deliberate LIE that was perpetuated for years by the dims and their teammates in the media(?).
Not a total fabrication. It was a legitimate national security investigation that was politicized and turned into a fishing expedition.
In theory, but not legitimately.

If it was legitimate, it would have revealed legitimate evidence of a national security threat.
And how, pray tell, can something be deemed legitimate or not, except by investigating it? We can criticize how the investigation was conducted, we can lament the fact that the dossier was made public, but in the early Fall of 2016 allegations from what at the time were deemed credible sources suggesting that attempts were being made to compromise a Presidential Candidate, was reason to having the FBI look into it. It was their job.
By evaluating the initial evidence to the point of 100% undeniable proof.

There's layers to this, its a two-part investigation. Investigation is brought on by investigating initial evidence. In this case the evidence was bogus...yet it was treated as legitimate despite the FBI actually knowing for a fact it was bs.

It's not their job to play politics, but they do.
There is good evidence of foreign influence campaigns. Even the study cited in the OP recognizes that.


The Russians have sought to influence our domestic politics through disinformation for the better part of a century. This time, however, it looks like the US government used information it knew to be false to justify getting search warrants. That does not constitute a legitimate investigation and that is not acceptable conduct for people who have taken an oath to defend the constitution of the United States.
I agree. The fact that there was misconduct in the course of the investigation doesn't mean the investigation itself was never legitimate.
No, just the basis for it and its execution. Other than that, yeah, great investigation.
The original basis had nothing to do with that.
Golem
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Sam Lowry said:

Wangchung said:

Sam Lowry said:

D. C. Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

xxx yyy said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Johnny Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Johnny Bear said:

So when do Sam, Hmuck, and/or C.Jordan show up to allegedly "debunk"?
Not surprised. I was never on board with the Russian panic.

So you acknowledge that it was all a total fabricated and deliberate LIE that was perpetuated for years by the dims and their teammates in the media(?).
Not a total fabrication. It was a legitimate national security investigation that was politicized and turned into a fishing expedition.
In theory, but not legitimately.

If it was legitimate, it would have revealed legitimate evidence of a national security threat.
And how, pray tell, can something be deemed legitimate or not, except by investigating it? We can criticize how the investigation was conducted, we can lament the fact that the dossier was made public, but in the early Fall of 2016 allegations from what at the time were deemed credible sources suggesting that attempts were being made to compromise a Presidential Candidate, was reason to having the FBI look into it. It was their job.
By evaluating the initial evidence to the point of 100% undeniable proof.

There's layers to this, its a two-part investigation. Investigation is brought on by investigating initial evidence. In this case the evidence was bogus...yet it was treated as legitimate despite the FBI actually knowing for a fact it was bs.

It's not their job to play politics, but they do.
There is good evidence of foreign influence campaigns. Even the study cited in the OP recognizes that.


The Russians have sought to influence our domestic politics through disinformation for the better part of a century. This time, however, it looks like the US government used information it knew to be false to justify getting search warrants. That does not constitute a legitimate investigation and that is not acceptable conduct for people who have taken an oath to defend the constitution of the United States.
I agree. The fact that there was misconduct in the course of the investigation doesn't mean the investigation itself was never legitimate.
No, just the basis for it and its execution. Other than that, yeah, great investigation.
The original basis had nothing to do with that.


You need to sue these posters for violating your 13th amendment rights. Watching you so thoroughly owned makes me embarrassed for you.
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This started with a lie about Carter Page that convinced a court to spy on an American citizen. The rest is just an effort to justify a series of malfeasance and abuse of power by government agencies for political purposes.
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ATL Bear said:

This started with a lie about Carter Page that convinced a court to spy on an American citizen. The rest is just an effort to justify a series of malfeasance and abuse of power by government agencies for political purposes.

It started in earnest when the public learned that Don Jr had been explicitly offered assistance from the Russian government, then he accepted that offer and met with Russian government agents. Not investigating further after learning about that would have been straight up reckless stupidity. From that investigation we learned that Trump's campaign manager was indeed meeting with a Russian spy to coordinate strategy, and also that a different Russian honeypot spy had infiltrated the NRA to influence their election spending, among many other things.

Stop lying to yourself and others, the investigation was completely warranted, and largely found what it was looking for. If they hadn't found anything, there wouldn't still be such an unceasing drive years later to try and discredit the investigations.
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HuMcK said:

ATL Bear said:

This started with a lie about Carter Page that convinced a court to spy on an American citizen. The rest is just an effort to justify a series of malfeasance and abuse of power by government agencies for political purposes.

It started in earnest when the public learned that Don Jr had been explicitly offered assistance from the Russian government, then he accepted that offer and met with Russian government agents. Not investigating further after learning about that would have been straight up reckless stupidity. From that investigation we learned that Trump's campaign manager was indeed meeting with a Russian spy to coordinate strategy, and also that a different Russian honeypot spy had infiltrated the NRA to influence their election spending, among many other things.

Stop lying to yourself and others, the investigation was completely warranted, and largely found what it was looking for. If they hadn't found anything, there wouldn't still be such an unceasing drive years later to try and discredit the investigations.


When folks took a judge information they knew to be false to get a warrant and you ignored it, that told us all we needed to know about someone who is lying to yourself and others. There is probably a mirror in your bathroom and you should go look in it.
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Sam Lowry said:

Johnny Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Johnny Bear said:

So when do Sam, Hmuck, and/or C.Jordan show up to allegedly "debunk"?
Not surprised. I was never on board with the Russian panic.

So you acknowledge that it was all a total fabricated and deliberate LIE that was perpetuated for years by the dims and their teammates in the media(?).
Not a total fabrication. It was a legitimate national security investigation that was politicized and turned into a fishing expedition.
Ha! It was a diversionary tactic away from Hilary. And it was such fun jacking with Trump it took on a life of its own for politicians' benefit of being publicized in a great crusade (apology to Eisenhower). Total frauds, the lot of them.
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