Teen Girls Experienced Record Levels of Sadness, Suicidal Thoughts in 2021

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Harrison Bergeron
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From the Wall Street Journal:

Nearly three out of five high-school girls in the U.S. who were surveyed reported feelings of persistent sadness or hopelessness in 2021, a roughly 60% increase over the past decade, new research from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found.

Though both high-school girls and boys reported experiencing mental-health challenges, girls reported record high levels of sexual violence, sadness and suicide risk, the CDC said. In 2021, 57% of high-school girls reported experiencing persistent feelings of sadness or hopelessness in the past year, compared with 36% in 2011. Thirty percent reported they seriously considered attempting suicide in 2021, up from 19% in 2011.

Federal officials highlighted the problem of mental health among young people, especially girls, in the new data released Monday. The data, gathered from a biennial survey from 2011 to 2021 of ninth- to 12th-graders across the country, add to evidence suggesting the stresses, isolation and loss of the Covid-19 pandemic worsened mental-health issues among young people, many of whom were already struggling.
Girls are particularly vulnerable to anxiety and depression, mental-health experts say, given the higher rates of harassment and discrimination they face compared with boys. They also face career pressures, high beauty standards and the expectation of motherhood, they say.

The CDC, which included 17,232 respondents in its 2021 data, said the report showed ongoing and extreme distress among teens who identify as lesbian, gay, bisexual, questioning their sexual identity, or another nonheterosexual gender identity. More than half of these students reported recently experiencing poor mental health and 22% reported attempted suicide the past year, the CDC said. The report also showed that persistent sadness or hopelessness worsened across all racial and ethnic groups, and reported suicide attempts increased among Black and white youth.

Among the teenagers surveyed, girls were more likely to experience sexual violence, the CDC found. Eighteen percent of girls in high school said they experienced sexual violence in the past year, compared with 15% in 2017, the first year the CDC began monitoring this trend. Fourteen percent of teenage girls reported being forced to have sex when they did not want to, up from 12% in 2011, the CDC said.

"This is truly alarming," said Dr. Ethier. "For every 10 teenage girls you know, at least one of them, and probably more, has been raped."

The U.S. needs to focus on programs that will prevent sexual violence, said Debra Houry, CDC chief medical officer and deputy director for program and science. She referenced programs like Green Dot, which encourages bystanders to take action against sexual harassment and violence, as part of the solution.

Schools should prioritize teaching kids about sexual consent, managing emotions and asking for what they need, the CDC said. In addition, school environments need to be safer and more inclusive for LGBTQ+ students, the agency added. Schools should encourage gender and sexuality alliances, provide safe spaces and people for LGBTQ+ students to go to for support, and ensure enforcement of antiharassment policies, the CDC said.

The CDC also called on schools to take a more active role in improving mental health. Schools are a key pathway to health, behavioral and mental-health services, the agency said, and can provide services directly or refer students to resources in the community.

"This feels uniquely validatingthe CDC has caught up to what we're dealing with," said Shilpa R. Taufique, a clinical psychologist and director of the Comprehensive Adolescent Rehabilitation and Education Service at Mount Sinai Morningside, a program that works with New York City's Department of Education to provide therapy and educational support to at-risk youth in an alternative school district. She called on federal agencies to funnel more resources into schools and training of school staff and administrators, in particular.

The CDC found that 29% of high-school boys reported experiences of persistent feelings of sadness or hopelessness in 2021 compared with 21% in 2011. Meanwhile, 14% of high-school boys reported to have seriously considered attempting suicide, up from 13% in 2011.

"These data show that the mental-health crisis among young people continues," said Kathleen Ethier, director of CDC's division of adolescent and school health.

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As usual, the "experts" argue the solution is to do more of what led to this problem.
JXL
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I don't have a problem with programs to curb sexual violence - I know kids who have been the victims of that. (My program for curbing sexual violence directed at my teenage daughter would involve aggravated assault with a deadly weapon, but that's a different topic).

LGBT students should not get special privileges by virtue of being LGBT, but they should have the same right not to be bullied as any other students.

It's not surprising that girls are suffering more mental health problems, since society is telling them that they don't actually exist. The real mental health issue is with the kids who think they are transgender - they need appropriate treatment, not validation of their delusion.
Forest Bueller_bf
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JXL said:

I don't have a problem with programs to curb sexual violence - I know kids who have been the victims of that. (My program for curbing sexual violence directed at my teenage daughter would involve aggravated assault with a deadly weapon, but that's a different topic).

LGBT students should not get special privileges by virtue of being LGBT, but they should have the same right not to be bullied as any other students.

It's not surprising that girls are suffering more mental health problems, since society is telling them that they don't actually exist. The real mental health issue is with the kids who think they are transgender - they need appropriate treatment, not validation of their delusion.

Quote:

Genesis 5:2

Male and female He created them, and He blessed them. And in the day they were created, He called them "man."
Girls question their sexual identity at a rate more than double that of men at the age when they are adolecent.

91.2 % Identify as straight for Males
77.6% Identify as straight for Females.. Mind you this number is from 4 years ago, the number identifying straight is dropping.

Also don't make assumptions about the number.

Cleveland, Oh. 76.6% of all teens identify as straight.
San Fran. Ca. 81.6% identify as straight.

This isn't a west coast/east coast thing, this is a thing.


BaylorJacket
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Harrison Bergeron said:

The CDC, which included 17,232 respondents in its 2021 data, said the report showed ongoing and extreme distress among teens who identify as lesbian, gay, bisexual, questioning their sexual identity, or another nonheterosexual gender identity. More than half of these students reported recently experiencing poor mental health and 22% reported attempted suicide the past year, the CDC said.


22%… that number is just staggering. If you asked me to pull a number out of my ass as a best guess it would be nowhere near that.

I lost my adult brother to suicide a few years back, I can't even begin to imagine the horror of losing a child (or even just a child trying to harm themselves)

I'm curious about this breakdown at a per-state level. Perhaps we can see what programs and approaches have worked better than others. I don't know, there is no simple fix for this.
Harrison Bergeron
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I think social media is a real problem for a couple of different axes.

On the macro level, of course girls (and boys) get exposed to lots of potentially harmful content. You get the "everyone is better than me" FOMO stuff as well as the just dangerous people / ideas, much of which driving the social contagion of gender dysphoria among young girls.

On the micro level, on thing I learned the hard way with my daughter and son. Because of social media, directly or indirectly they can see in real time where their friend circles are ... so young people can see in real-time when they're being excluded. I pray daily she's moved past it, but my daughter went through some tough "mean girl" times ... she could literally look on a Friday night than all her "friends" were together and had excluded her.

I do not know how you put the genie back in the bottle, but I wish we could remove social media from our lives.
Harrison Bergeron
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JXL said:

I don't have a problem with programs to curb sexual violence - I know kids who have been the victims of that. (My program for curbing sexual violence directed at my teenage daughter would involve aggravated assault with a deadly weapon, but that's a different topic).

LGBT students should not get special privileges by virtue of being LGBT, but they should have the same right not to be bullied as any other students.

It's not surprising that girls are suffering more mental health problems, since society is telling them that they don't actually exist. The real mental health issue is with the kids who think they are transgender - they need appropriate treatment, not validation of their delusion.
100%. I just find it interesting the reported sexual violence is increasing as more things like MeToo became popular. But when messages of "sexual liberation" and anti-morality dominate, the end result always will be more meaningless (unfulfilling emotionally) sex and sexual violence.

Trying to turn women into men - physically, emotionally, culturally, mentally - will always have bad outcomes for the world. G-d created men and women different. Anyone that is older than two knows that even if not a Christian. The efforts to masculinize women and feminize men has dire results for both.
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Harrison Bergeron said:

I think social media is a real problem for a couple of different axes.

On the macro level, of course girls (and boys) get exposed to lots of potentially harmful content. You get the "everyone is better than me" FOMO stuff as well as the just dangerous people / ideas, much of which driving the social contagion of gender dysphoria among young girls.

On the micro level, on thing I learned the hard way with my daughter and son. Because of social media, directly or indirectly they can see in real time where their friend circles are ... so young people can see in real-time when they're being excluded. I pray daily she's moved past it, but my daughter went through some tough "mean girl" times ... she could literally look on a Friday night than all her "friends" were together and had excluded her.

I do not know how you put the genie back in the bottle, but I wish we could remove social media from our lives.

I think you're completely correct here. My wife and I are in our late 20s and have been in the unique position to be a teenager during the shift to Social Media in the later 2000s/early 2010s.

Social Media has provided some incredible things: connecting with distant friends & family, building online communities for those that need them, making it more difficult for coverups to happen, etc

However, in my opinion social media has had a net negative impact on society as a whole. Putting the genie back in the bottle is an excellent comparison - how do we fix this without breaching 1st Amendment rights? I really have no clue. Right now it's up to independent family units to make the best decisions for their children.
Harrison Bergeron
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BaylorJacket said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

I think social media is a real problem for a couple of different axes.

On the macro level, of course girls (and boys) get exposed to lots of potentially harmful content. You get the "everyone is better than me" FOMO stuff as well as the just dangerous people / ideas, much of which driving the social contagion of gender dysphoria among young girls.

On the micro level, on thing I learned the hard way with my daughter and son. Because of social media, directly or indirectly they can see in real time where their friend circles are ... so young people can see in real-time when they're being excluded. I pray daily she's moved past it, but my daughter went through some tough "mean girl" times ... she could literally look on a Friday night than all her "friends" were together and had excluded her.

I do not know how you put the genie back in the bottle, but I wish we could remove social media from our lives.

I think you're completely correct here. My wife and I are in our late 20s and have been in the unique position to be a teenager during the shift to Social Media in the later 2000s/early 2010s.

Social Media has provided some incredible things: connecting with distant friends & family, building online communities for those that need them, making it more difficult for coverups to happen, etc

However, in my opinion social media has had a net negative impact on society as a whole. Putting the genie back in the bottle is an excellent comparison - how do we fix this without breaching 1st Amendment rights? I really have no clue. Right now it's up to independent family units to make the best decisions for their children.
I'll be the first to admit we completely failed.

Here is the Catch-22 ... they basically communicate via SnapChat and Instagram. So I want to take it off my son's phone, but then I'm basically excluding him from the group.

I wish they would start by banning them from school. That would force kids off of devices for much of the day. Funny enough, my son goes to camp every year where phones are banned. He always comments how much he liked being free from it - then gets right back on it.
Redbrickbear
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BaylorJacket said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

I think social media is a real problem for a couple of different axes.

On the macro level, of course girls (and boys) get exposed to lots of potentially harmful content. You get the "everyone is better than me" FOMO stuff as well as the just dangerous people / ideas, much of which driving the social contagion of gender dysphoria among young girls.

On the micro level, on thing I learned the hard way with my daughter and son. Because of social media, directly or indirectly they can see in real time where their friend circles are ... so young people can see in real-time when they're being excluded. I pray daily she's moved past it, but my daughter went through some tough "mean girl" times ... she could literally look on a Friday night than all her "friends" were together and had excluded her.

I do not know how you put the genie back in the bottle, but I wish we could remove social media from our lives.

I think you're completely correct here. My wife and I are in our late 20s and have been in the unique position to be a teenager during the shift to Social Media in the later 2000s/early 2010s.

Social Media has provided some incredible things: connecting with distant friends & family, building online communities for those that need them, making it more difficult for coverups to happen, etc

However, in my opinion social media has had a net negative impact on society as a whole. Putting the genie back in the bottle is an excellent comparison - how do we fix this without breaching 1st Amendment rights? I really have no clue. Right now it's up to independent family units to make the best decisions for their children.
Agree.

As a 30 year old who saw that transition happen I can say that without a doubt the depression among young women is driven by social media and the internet more than actual physical sexual violence.

I doubt (unfortunately) that sexual violence and the rate of abuse has changed much over the past 50 years.

What has changed over the past 20 years is our perception of reality and our constant contact with technology and world internet culture...especially before we are of an age to better handle it.

I simply do not believe that the average young American woman is getting more sexually assaulted in the year 2023 than in the year 2003....but I have no doubt they are getting more bombarded by anxiety, depression, and a toxic internet/tech culture.

p.s.

Depression, anxiety, and suicidal idealization were bad enough in the 1990s when young girls were only exposed to TV, Hollywood, and fashion/beauty magazines.

Now that young girls literally never stop being online and even eat and sleep with their I-phones....My God how could it not be a crisis.
Harrison Bergeron
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Redbrickbear said:

BaylorJacket said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

I think social media is a real problem for a couple of different axes.

On the macro level, of course girls (and boys) get exposed to lots of potentially harmful content. You get the "everyone is better than me" FOMO stuff as well as the just dangerous people / ideas, much of which driving the social contagion of gender dysphoria among young girls.

On the micro level, on thing I learned the hard way with my daughter and son. Because of social media, directly or indirectly they can see in real time where their friend circles are ... so young people can see in real-time when they're being excluded. I pray daily she's moved past it, but my daughter went through some tough "mean girl" times ... she could literally look on a Friday night than all her "friends" were together and had excluded her.

I do not know how you put the genie back in the bottle, but I wish we could remove social media from our lives.

I think you're completely correct here. My wife and I are in our late 20s and have been in the unique position to be a teenager during the shift to Social Media in the later 2000s/early 2010s.

Social Media has provided some incredible things: connecting with distant friends & family, building online communities for those that need them, making it more difficult for coverups to happen, etc

However, in my opinion social media has had a net negative impact on society as a whole. Putting the genie back in the bottle is an excellent comparison - how do we fix this without breaching 1st Amendment rights? I really have no clue. Right now it's up to independent family units to make the best decisions for their children.
Agree.

As a 30 year old who saw that transition happen I can say that without a doubt the depression among young women is driven by social media and the internet more than actual physical sexual violence.

I doubt (unfortunately) that sexual violence and the rate of abuse has changed much over the past 50 years.

What has changed over the past 20 years is our perception of reality and our constant contact with technology and world internet culture...especially before we are of an age to better handle it.

I simply do not believe that the average young American woman is getting more sexually assaulted in the year 2023 than in the year 2003....but I have no doubt they are getting more bombarded by anxiety, depression, and a toxic internet/tech culture.

p.s.

Depression, anxiety, and suicidal idealization were bad enough in the 1990s when young girls were only exposed to TV, Hollywood, and fashion/beauty magazines.

Now that young girls literally never stop being online and even eat and sleep with their I-phones....My God how could it not be a crisis.
That to me seemed counter-intuitive in light of all the programs, education, etc. I wonder if it could be a different definition of "sexual violence." In a world where "silence is violence" a sideways glance could be considered "rape." But again, I think where we trivialize traditional morality and encourage every person to explore every sexual desire and fetish, that likely does not end well.
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Harrison Bergeron said:

BaylorJacket said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

I think social media is a real problem for a couple of different axes.

On the macro level, of course girls (and boys) get exposed to lots of potentially harmful content. You get the "everyone is better than me" FOMO stuff as well as the just dangerous people / ideas, much of which driving the social contagion of gender dysphoria among young girls.

On the micro level, on thing I learned the hard way with my daughter and son. Because of social media, directly or indirectly they can see in real time where their friend circles are ... so young people can see in real-time when they're being excluded. I pray daily she's moved past it, but my daughter went through some tough "mean girl" times ... she could literally look on a Friday night than all her "friends" were together and had excluded her.

I do not know how you put the genie back in the bottle, but I wish we could remove social media from our lives.

I think you're completely correct here. My wife and I are in our late 20s and have been in the unique position to be a teenager during the shift to Social Media in the later 2000s/early 2010s.

Social Media has provided some incredible things: connecting with distant friends & family, building online communities for those that need them, making it more difficult for coverups to happen, etc

However, in my opinion social media has had a net negative impact on society as a whole. Putting the genie back in the bottle is an excellent comparison - how do we fix this without breaching 1st Amendment rights? I really have no clue. Right now it's up to independent family units to make the best decisions for their children.
I'll be the first to admit we completely failed.

Here is the Catch-22 ... they basically communicate via SnapChat and Instagram. So I want to take it off my son's phone, but then I'm basically excluding him from the group.

I wish they would start by banning them from school. That would force kids off of devices for much of the day. Funny enough, my son goes to camp every year where phones are banned. He always comments how much he liked being free from it - then gets right back on it.
My kids school bans them only during class, but at lunchtime, there they are, friends all sitting together and all on their phones.

Social media is definitely a net negative. I see people, I KNOW, pretending like they have it all together, financially, socially, and my goodness the looks of a model, combined with near olympic athletic ability.

And they ain't nothing special in the real world. I don't get the overweening need to pretend to be something you aren't, and even going so far as putting it out in the world of "social media".

I believe young girls are hurt more, especially decent sensitive young girls, because they are made to feel they are missing out on something, that their looks or social status doesn't stack up or financial situation doesn't stack up to their peers, when the fact is their peers status is fantasy land.

I know it's always been that way to a certain degree, social media makes it much worse.
Redbrickbear
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Harrison Bergeron said:

Redbrickbear said:

BaylorJacket said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

I think social media is a real problem for a couple of different axes.

On the macro level, of course girls (and boys) get exposed to lots of potentially harmful content. You get the "everyone is better than me" FOMO stuff as well as the just dangerous people / ideas, much of which driving the social contagion of gender dysphoria among young girls.

On the micro level, on thing I learned the hard way with my daughter and son. Because of social media, directly or indirectly they can see in real time where their friend circles are ... so young people can see in real-time when they're being excluded. I pray daily she's moved past it, but my daughter went through some tough "mean girl" times ... she could literally look on a Friday night than all her "friends" were together and had excluded her.

I do not know how you put the genie back in the bottle, but I wish we could remove social media from our lives.

I think you're completely correct here. My wife and I are in our late 20s and have been in the unique position to be a teenager during the shift to Social Media in the later 2000s/early 2010s.

Social Media has provided some incredible things: connecting with distant friends & family, building online communities for those that need them, making it more difficult for coverups to happen, etc

However, in my opinion social media has had a net negative impact on society as a whole. Putting the genie back in the bottle is an excellent comparison - how do we fix this without breaching 1st Amendment rights? I really have no clue. Right now it's up to independent family units to make the best decisions for their children.
Agree.

As a 30 year old who saw that transition happen I can say that without a doubt the depression among young women is driven by social media and the internet more than actual physical sexual violence.

I doubt (unfortunately) that sexual violence and the rate of abuse has changed much over the past 50 years.

What has changed over the past 20 years is our perception of reality and our constant contact with technology and world internet culture...especially before we are of an age to better handle it.

I simply do not believe that the average young American woman is getting more sexually assaulted in the year 2023 than in the year 2003....but I have no doubt they are getting more bombarded by anxiety, depression, and a toxic internet/tech culture.

p.s.

Depression, anxiety, and suicidal idealization were bad enough in the 1990s when young girls were only exposed to TV, Hollywood, and fashion/beauty magazines.

Now that young girls literally never stop being online and even eat and sleep with their I-phones....My God how could it not be a crisis.
That to me seemed counter-intuitive in light of all the programs, education, etc. I wonder if it could be a different definition of "sexual violence." In a world where "silence is violence" a sideways glance could be considered "rape." But again, I think where we trivialize traditional morality and encourage every person to explore every sexual desire and fetish, that likely does not end well.
Agree,

I think the only way you can come to the conclusion that sexual violence is a worse problem in 2023 than in 1993...is to come to the conclusion that they have expanded the term and changed the definition to something much more broad.

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I agree that programs to combat sexual violence are crucial, and it's essential to protect our kids. However, advocating for violence as a solution might not be the best approach. There are legal and ethical ways to address these issues. When it comes to LGBTQ+ students, they don't seek special privileges, just equal rights and respect, like any other student. Bullying should never be tolerated, no matter who it targets. I also believe that it's essential to support those who may be questioning their gender identity. The concept of being neurodivergent meaning having diverse mental states, applies here too. These individuals deserve understanding and appropriate treatment, not judgment.
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Harrison Bergeron said:

JXL said:

I don't have a problem with programs to curb sexual violence - I know kids who have been the victims of that. (My program for curbing sexual violence directed at my teenage daughter would involve aggravated assault with a deadly weapon, but that's a different topic).

LGBT students should not get special privileges by virtue of being LGBT, but they should have the same right not to be bullied as any other students.

It's not surprising that girls are suffering more mental health problems, since society is telling them that they don't actually exist. The real mental health issue is with the kids who think they are transgender - they need appropriate treatment, not validation of their delusion.
100%. I just find it interesting the reported sexual violence is increasing as more things like MeToo became popular. But when messages of "sexual liberation" and anti-morality dominate, the end result always will be more meaningless (unfulfilling emotionally) sex and sexual violence.

Trying to turn women into men - physically, emotionally, culturally, mentally - will always have bad outcomes for the world. G-d created men and women different. Anyone that is older than two knows that even if not a Christian. The efforts to masculinize women and feminize men has dire results for both.

How did me too sexually liberate women? Why would you criticize a catchphrase for raising awareness of srxual abuse?
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