DeSantis Is Set to Enter 2024 Presidential Race Next Week
The Florida governor is expected to file paperwork declaring his candidacy on May 25, with a video likely to coincide with his official entrance.
Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida is expected to officially enter the presidential race next week, allowing him to raise the vast amounts of cash he will need to challenge former President Donald J. Trump, according to two people familiar with his intentions.
Mr. DeSantis is expected to file paperwork declaring his candidacy with the Federal Election Commission ahead of a major fund-raising meeting with donors in Miami on May 25 that is meant to act as a show of his financial force. He must formally enter the race before he can solicit donations for his presidential campaign.
He is also likely to release a video to coincide with his official entrance into the race, and a blitz of events in the early nominating states will follow in the weeks ahead, according to one of the people. The Wall Street Journal first reported that Mr. DeSantis would file the paperwork next week.
Mr. Trump is running roughly 30 percentage points ahead of Mr. DeSantis in national polling averages, but the Florida governor would be the most credible Republican challenger to join the field so far.

And, on cue, the sniping starts. This will probably help Desantis. "All the right enemies" dynamic.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/05/19/casey-ron-desantis-wife-profile-00097456

State media never, ever describes Democrats this way.

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And, on cue, the sniping starts. This will probably help Desantis. "All the right enemies" dynamic.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/05/19/casey-ron-desantis-wife-profile-00097456

State media never, ever describes Democrats this way.

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oh goody, unnamed "former staffers" and "higher ups"...

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"He's a leader who makes political decisions with the assistance of his wife, who was elected by nobody, who's blindly ambitious," said a former DeSantis administration staffer. "And she sees ghosts in every corner."
"She's more paranoid than he is," said a second staffer.

"He's a vindictive mother****er. She's twice that," said a higher-up on one of his campaigns. "She's the scorekeeper."

"Does she sort of humanize the robot? Does she push him on the grip-and-grin, the baby-kissing, give him a cleaner, softer image? Yes," said another former gubernatorial staffer. "Does she also feed into his, I guess, worst instincts, of being secluded and insular and standoffish with staff? Yes."

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GOP First Primary debate is in August. Should be fun, especially if Pence is in the race too.

When performing lewd acts in front of children is the hill you want to die on..

pic.twitter.com/byZhl5eBWk

— Rogue Conservative 🇺🇲✝️ (@RC_Tweets04) May 19, 2023

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GOP First Primary debate is in August. Should be fun, especially if Pence is in the race too.

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Chris Christie will be the designated chimp, to throw "stuff" at Trump, so that DeSantis can remain above the fray.

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GOP First Primary debate is in August. Should be fun, especially if Pence is in the race too.

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Chris Christie will be the designated chimp, to throw "stuff" at Trump, so that DeSantis can remain above the fray.

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Christie will love it! He is no Trump fan. Will be nice to get some adults into the room. We have to many far left Socialist whack jobs and too many far right whack jobs. Need some moderate adults who actually know how to run a Government and are not caught up in unrealistic ideologies. I don't know what is more dangerous the Progressives and their sociali agenda or the far right so-called "fiscal conservatives" that want to gut everything.

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GOP First Primary debate is in August. Should be fun, especially if Pence is in the race too.

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Chris Christie will be the designated chimp, to throw "stuff" at Trump, so that DeSantis can remain above the fray.

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Will Trump participate in the debate?

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GOP First Primary debate is in August. Should be fun, especially if Pence is in the race too.

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Chris Christie will be the designated chimp, to throw "stuff" at Trump, so that DeSantis can remain above the fray.

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Will Trump participate in the debate?

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Is he capable with people that will punch back? Or is he gonna run to a rallie that worship him and spout BS?

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GOP First Primary debate is in August. Should be fun, especially if Pence is in the race too.

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Chris Christie will be the designated chimp, to throw "stuff" at Trump, so that DeSantis can remain above the fray.

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Will Trump participate in the debate?

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If his lead is anywhere close to where it is now, probably not. Would be nothing but downside for him. A reasonable case could be made that RDS shouldn't play either if there's going to be a half-dozen or more also-rans.

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GOP First Primary debate is in August. Should be fun, especially if Pence is in the race too.

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Chris Christie will be the designated chimp, to throw "stuff" at Trump, so that DeSantis can remain above the fray.

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Will Trump participate in the debate?

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If his lead is anywhere close to where it is now, probably not. Would be nothing but downside for him. A reasonable case could be made that RDS shouldn't play either if there's going to be a half-dozen or more also-rans.

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Disagree
If Trump isn't there the debate won't be a circus of nicknames and insults. We will have a chance to sift the candidates
If Trump isn't there, it gives the others a chance

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GOP First Primary debate is in August. Should be fun, especially if Pence is in the race too.

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Trump will not partake.

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GOP First Primary debate is in August. Should be fun, especially if Pence is in the race too.

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Chris Christie will be the designated chimp, to throw "stuff" at Trump, so that DeSantis can remain above the fray.

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Will Trump participate in the debate?

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He's sad, no. He's upset that he didn't have input to the scheduling. I'm sure it'll change if he starts losing.

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GOP First Primary debate is in August. Should be fun, especially if Pence is in the race too.

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Chris Christie will be the designated chimp, to throw "stuff" at Trump, so that DeSantis can remain above the fray.

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Will Trump participate in the debate?

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If his lead is anywhere close to where it is now, probably not. Would be nothing but downside for him. A reasonable case could be made that RDS shouldn't play either if there's going to be a half-dozen or more also-rans.

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Disagree
If Trump isn't there the debate won't be a circus of nicknames and insults. We will have a chance to sift the candidates
If Trump isn't there, it gives the others a chance

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You're making a different argument, saying that he should do so for YOUR benefit. I'm saying he will not because it will not benefit HIS campaign.

A candidate should always do what is best for their campaign. If the voters sufficiently dislike him for not coming to the debate and it costs him his lead…..then the candidate misassessed what was/wasn't good for the campaign.

Conventional advice for an incumbent with an enormous lead is not to cede any credibility to the debate by attending it. Trump is approaching a max-lead level….not many more points to pull his way. Why risk going….giving opponents a free chance to attack, taking a chance on making a gaffe, etc….. Ignore it as irrelevant and go upstage it somewhere with something more interesting. Makes everyone who attended look small. Ergo the suggestion that RDS should skip it as well, some important event in FL, some flashy endorsement, solo interview with Tucker Carlson, soiree with Elon Musk, etc….something that makes equal or bigger news than the debate.

Not saying RDS will skip it. But would be surprised if they are not evaluating options for doing so.

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whiterock said:

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Jack Bauer said:

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GOP First Primary debate is in August. Should be fun, especially if Pence is in the race too.

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Chris Christie will be the designated chimp, to throw "stuff" at Trump, so that DeSantis can remain above the fray.

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Will Trump participate in the debate?

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If his lead is anywhere close to where it is now, probably not. Would be nothing but downside for him. A reasonable case could be made that RDS shouldn't play either if there's going to be a half-dozen or more also-rans.

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Disagree
If Trump isn't there the debate won't be a circus of nicknames and insults. We will have a chance to sift the candidates
If Trump isn't there, it gives the others a chance

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You're making a different argument, saying that he should do so for YOUR benefit. I'm saying he will not because it will not benefit HIS campaign.

A candidate should always do what is best for their campaign. If the voters sufficiently dislike him for not coming to the debate and it costs him his lead…..then the candidate misassessed what was/wasn't good for the campaign.

Conventional advice for an incumbent with an enormous lead is not to cede any credibility to the debate by attending it. Trump is approaching a max-lead level….not many more points to pull his way. Why risk going….giving opponents a free chance to attack, taking a chance on making a gaffe, etc….. Ignore it as irrelevant and go upstage it somewhere with something more interesting. Makes everyone who attended look small. Ergo the suggestion that RDS should skip it as well, some important event in FL, some flashy endorsement, solo interview with Tucker Carlson, soiree with Elon Musk, etc….something that makes equal or bigger news than the debate.

Not saying RDS will skip it. But would be surprised if they are not evaluating options for doing so.

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Debates are a cultural norm of election season, skipping when Primaried is not smart. True as the leader going into the first turn not much upside, but downside risk of skipping is enormous. RDS, Pence and Halley (I see as VP) will shred him with no balance. Trump needs independents and women, he is not going to win them over going to Court losing judgements.

Throw out polls to this point, race doesn't start until May 25th, up to this point Trump been circle jerking with his fans. Rest of us enter race on May 25th.

People are tired of Trump's arrogance. The people want to see him debate. People want to see Biden debate in the Democrat Primary for the same reason. These old ass entitled f***ers need to step up and show Americans what they have left in the tank. Ducking and hiding in the basement isn't gonna fly this go round.

Like Lee Iacocca once said, "Lead, follow, or get the Hell out of the way!"

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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Jack Bauer said:

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GOP First Primary debate is in August. Should be fun, especially if Pence is in the race too.

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Chris Christie will be the designated chimp, to throw "stuff" at Trump, so that DeSantis can remain above the fray.

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Will Trump participate in the debate?

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If his lead is anywhere close to where it is now, probably not. Would be nothing but downside for him. A reasonable case could be made that RDS shouldn't play either if there's going to be a half-dozen or more also-rans.

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Disagree
If Trump isn't there the debate won't be a circus of nicknames and insults. We will have a chance to sift the candidates
If Trump isn't there, it gives the others a chance

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You're making a different argument, saying that he should do so for YOUR benefit. I'm saying he will not because it will not benefit HIS campaign.

A candidate should always do what is best for their campaign. If the voters sufficiently dislike him for not coming to the debate and it costs him his lead…..then the candidate misassessed what was/wasn't good for the campaign.

Conventional advice for an incumbent with an enormous lead is not to cede any credibility to the debate by attending it. Trump is approaching a max-lead level….not many more points to pull his way. Why risk going….giving opponents a free chance to attack, taking a chance on making a gaffe, etc….. Ignore it as irrelevant and go upstage it somewhere with something more interesting. Makes everyone who attended look small. Ergo the suggestion that RDS should skip it as well, some important event in FL, some flashy endorsement, solo interview with Tucker Carlson, soiree with Elon Musk, etc….something that makes equal or bigger news than the debate.

Not saying RDS will skip it. But would be surprised if they are not evaluating options for doing so.

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You missed my point.
I am saying it makes sense for the other candidates to participate, even (especially) since Trump won't be there. Trump and you believe his lead is forever and won't change. I don't.

I agree that his non-participation is tactical and I expect candidates to do what's best for their own campaigns. McDaniel (GOP national chairman) has said candidates who won't pledge to support the GOP nominee won't be allowed to participate in debates. We'll see if she can hold to that.

My point is, if Trump is there so is chaos. I'd like to see the other candidates without the Trump circus. It gives them a chance to grow and us a chance to see them without the chaos.

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People are tired of Trump's arrogance. The people want to see him debate. People want to see Biden debate in the Democrat Primary for the same reason. These old ass entitled f***ers need to step up and show Americans what they have left in the tank. Ducking and hiding in the basement isn't gonna fly this go round.

Like Lee Iacocca once said, "Lead, follow, or get the Hell out of the way!"

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Agreed

Voters want these candidates to debate.

But Biden and Trump are so old and mentally impaired, their advisors don't dare allow them to debate younger, smarter candidates.

Yet the national media plays along, to me that is what is really bizarre.

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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People are tired of Trump's arrogance. The people want to see him debate. People want to see Biden debate in the Democrat Primary for the same reason. These old ass entitled f***ers need to step up and show Americans what they have left in the tank. Ducking and hiding in the basement isn't gonna fly this go round.

Like Lee Iacocca once said, "Lead, follow, or get the Hell out of the way!"

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Agreed

Voters want these candidates to debate.

But Biden and Trump are so old and mentally impaired, their advisors don't dare allow them to debate younger, smarter candidates.

Yet the national media plays along, to me that is what is really bizarre.

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I agree. The medias role is bizarre. They should wa t more debates.

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whiterock said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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Jack Bauer said:

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GOP First Primary debate is in August. Should be fun, especially if Pence is in the race too.

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Chris Christie will be the designated chimp, to throw "stuff" at Trump, so that DeSantis can remain above the fray.

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Will Trump participate in the debate?

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If his lead is anywhere close to where it is now, probably not. Would be nothing but downside for him. A reasonable case could be made that RDS shouldn't play either if there's going to be a half-dozen or more also-rans.

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Disagree
If Trump isn't there the debate won't be a circus of nicknames and insults. We will have a chance to sift the candidates
If Trump isn't there, it gives the others a chance

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You're making a different argument, saying that he should do so for YOUR benefit. I'm saying he will not because it will not benefit HIS campaign.

A candidate should always do what is best for their campaign. If the voters sufficiently dislike him for not coming to the debate and it costs him his lead…..then the candidate misassessed what was/wasn't good for the campaign.

Conventional advice for an incumbent with an enormous lead is not to cede any credibility to the debate by attending it. Trump is approaching a max-lead level….not many more points to pull his way. Why risk going….giving opponents a free chance to attack, taking a chance on making a gaffe, etc….. Ignore it as irrelevant and go upstage it somewhere with something more interesting. Makes everyone who attended look small. Ergo the suggestion that RDS should skip it as well, some important event in FL, some flashy endorsement, solo interview with Tucker Carlson, soiree with Elon Musk, etc….something that makes equal or bigger news than the debate.

Not saying RDS will skip it. But would be surprised if they are not evaluating options for doing so.

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Debates are a cultural norm of election season, skipping when Primaried is not smart. True as the leader going into the first turn not much upside, but downside risk of skipping is enormous. RDS, Pence and Halley (I see as VP) will shred him with no balance. Trump needs independents and women, he is not going to win them over going to Court losing judgements.

Throw out polls to this point, race doesn't start until May 25th, up to this point Trump been circle jerking with his fans. Rest of us enter race on May 25th.

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1st item your analysis overlooks: nobody will be watching the debates.....unless Trump attends.
2nd item: everyone will be attacking Desantis instead.

RDS should probably not attend if Trump doesn't.

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whiterock said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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Jack Bauer said:

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GOP First Primary debate is in August. Should be fun, especially if Pence is in the race too.

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Chris Christie will be the designated chimp, to throw "stuff" at Trump, so that DeSantis can remain above the fray.

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Will Trump participate in the debate?

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If his lead is anywhere close to where it is now, probably not. Would be nothing but downside for him. A reasonable case could be made that RDS shouldn't play either if there's going to be a half-dozen or more also-rans.

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Disagree
If Trump isn't there the debate won't be a circus of nicknames and insults. We will have a chance to sift the candidates
If Trump isn't there, it gives the others a chance

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You're making a different argument, saying that he should do so for YOUR benefit. I'm saying he will not because it will not benefit HIS campaign.

A candidate should always do what is best for their campaign. If the voters sufficiently dislike him for not coming to the debate and it costs him his lead…..then the candidate misassessed what was/wasn't good for the campaign.

Conventional advice for an incumbent with an enormous lead is not to cede any credibility to the debate by attending it. Trump is approaching a max-lead level….not many more points to pull his way. Why risk going….giving opponents a free chance to attack, taking a chance on making a gaffe, etc….. Ignore it as irrelevant and go upstage it somewhere with something more interesting. Makes everyone who attended look small. Ergo the suggestion that RDS should skip it as well, some important event in FL, some flashy endorsement, solo interview with Tucker Carlson, soiree with Elon Musk, etc….something that makes equal or bigger news than the debate.

Not saying RDS will skip it. But would be surprised if they are not evaluating options for doing so.

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Debates are a cultural norm of election season, skipping when Primaried is not smart. True as the leader going into the first turn not much upside, but downside risk of skipping is enormous. RDS, Pence and Halley (I see as VP) will shred him with no balance. Trump needs independents and women, he is not going to win them over going to Court losing judgements.

Throw out polls to this point, race doesn't start until May 25th, up to this point Trump been circle jerking with his fans. Rest of us enter race on May 25th.

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1st item your analysis overlooks: nobody will be watching the debates.....unless Trump attends.
2nd item: everyone will be attacking Desantis instead.

RDS should probably not attend if Trump doesn't.

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I'll take that bet. RDS will debate even if Trump doesn't

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whiterock said:

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whiterock said:

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Jack Bauer said:

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GOP First Primary debate is in August. Should be fun, especially if Pence is in the race too.

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Chris Christie will be the designated chimp, to throw "stuff" at Trump, so that DeSantis can remain above the fray.

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Will Trump participate in the debate?

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If his lead is anywhere close to where it is now, probably not. Would be nothing but downside for him. A reasonable case could be made that RDS shouldn't play either if there's going to be a half-dozen or more also-rans.

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Disagree
If Trump isn't there the debate won't be a circus of nicknames and insults. We will have a chance to sift the candidates
If Trump isn't there, it gives the others a chance

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You're making a different argument, saying that he should do so for YOUR benefit. I'm saying he will not because it will not benefit HIS campaign.

A candidate should always do what is best for their campaign. If the voters sufficiently dislike him for not coming to the debate and it costs him his lead…..then the candidate misassessed what was/wasn't good for the campaign.

Conventional advice for an incumbent with an enormous lead is not to cede any credibility to the debate by attending it. Trump is approaching a max-lead level….not many more points to pull his way. Why risk going….giving opponents a free chance to attack, taking a chance on making a gaffe, etc….. Ignore it as irrelevant and go upstage it somewhere with something more interesting. Makes everyone who attended look small. Ergo the suggestion that RDS should skip it as well, some important event in FL, some flashy endorsement, solo interview with Tucker Carlson, soiree with Elon Musk, etc….something that makes equal or bigger news than the debate.

Not saying RDS will skip it. But would be surprised if they are not evaluating options for doing so.

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Debates are a cultural norm of election season, skipping when Primaried is not smart. True as the leader going into the first turn not much upside, but downside risk of skipping is enormous. RDS, Pence and Halley (I see as VP) will shred him with no balance. Trump needs independents and women, he is not going to win them over going to Court losing judgements.

Throw out polls to this point, race doesn't start until May 25th, up to this point Trump been circle jerking with his fans. Rest of us enter race on May 25th.

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1st item your analysis overlooks: nobody will be watching the debates.....unless Trump attends.
2nd item: everyone will be attacking Desantis instead.

RDS should probably not attend if Trump doesn't.

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Disagree, debates are opportunities to get platforms across to the population. We need to get away from the "show" and more into the policies. Trump fans may not watch the debates, not enough Jerry Springer I guess. Trump voter is over estimating Trump's position and the rest of us voters.

As for attacking RDS or Trump, how they react to that is as important as to what the say. Presidents need to have some level of decorum. Raging name calling is a negative to the rest of the electorate. Trump fan seems to think he can win without the Moderates, Independents and women.

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GOP First Primary debate is in August. Should be fun, especially if Pence is in the race too.

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Chris Christie will be the designated chimp, to throw "stuff" at Trump, so that DeSantis can remain above the fray.

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Will Trump participate in the debate?

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If his lead is anywhere close to where it is now, probably not. Would be nothing but downside for him. A reasonable case could be made that RDS shouldn't play either if there's going to be a half-dozen or more also-rans.

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Disagree
If Trump isn't there the debate won't be a circus of nicknames and insults. We will have a chance to sift the candidates
If Trump isn't there, it gives the others a chance

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You're making a different argument, saying that he should do so for YOUR benefit. I'm saying he will not because it will not benefit HIS campaign.

A candidate should always do what is best for their campaign. If the voters sufficiently dislike him for not coming to the debate and it costs him his lead…..then the candidate misassessed what was/wasn't good for the campaign.

Conventional advice for an incumbent with an enormous lead is not to cede any credibility to the debate by attending it. Trump is approaching a max-lead level….not many more points to pull his way. Why risk going….giving opponents a free chance to attack, taking a chance on making a gaffe, etc….. Ignore it as irrelevant and go upstage it somewhere with something more interesting. Makes everyone who attended look small. Ergo the suggestion that RDS should skip it as well, some important event in FL, some flashy endorsement, solo interview with Tucker Carlson, soiree with Elon Musk, etc….something that makes equal or bigger news than the debate.

Not saying RDS will skip it. But would be surprised if they are not evaluating options for doing so.

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Debates are a cultural norm of election season, skipping when Primaried is not smart. True as the leader going into the first turn not much upside, but downside risk of skipping is enormous. RDS, Pence and Halley (I see as VP) will shred him with no balance. Trump needs independents and women, he is not going to win them over going to Court losing judgements.

Throw out polls to this point, race doesn't start until May 25th, up to this point Trump been circle jerking with his fans. Rest of us enter race on May 25th.

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1st item your analysis overlooks: nobody will be watching the debates.....unless Trump attends.
2nd item: everyone will be attacking Desantis instead.

RDS should probably not attend if Trump doesn't.

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Disagree, debates are opportunities to get platforms across to the population. We need to get away from the "show" and more into the policies. Trump fans may not watch the debates, not enough Jerry Springer I guess. Trump voter is over estimating Trump's position and the rest of us voters.

As for attacking RDS or Trump, how they react to that is as important as to what the say. Presidents need to have some level of decorum. Raging name calling is a negative to the rest of the electorate. Trump fan seems to think he can win without the Moderates, Independents and women.

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ergo, the candidates who need debates most are the ones who do not have the money or name ID to get into competitive position. They have nothing to lose. They're at the bottom and need to make a splash to break out into the limelight. There are only two candidates who are NOT in that position - Trump and RDS. They have massive/good name ID and are very well funded, already enough in the bank to easily get them beyond South Carolina.

The leaders, on the other hand, are well-funded and well-known. For them, a debate carries real risks (think Rick Perry forgetting what comes after the number 2).

Conventional wisdom would hold that RDS will attend the debates. I made the suggestion that RDS should consider not attending because...... he should consider not attending, for the same reasons Trump will definitely not attend. RDS gains little. He has the money to get his message out. Who know what he will or won't do.

I would encourage RDS to challenge Trump to a one-on-one debate (regardless what either of them do about the scheduled debates). In addition to subtly implying Trump is afraid of RDS, such a challenge would also frame the race narrowly, a two-man race, which is the way the public needs to see it. RDS' main challenge is to choke off funding and support for the also-rans, because every single one of them is sucking off support that would otherwise flow to RDS. One way to make the rest of the field look petty and small (Trumpesque, some might say with not-unintended irony) would be to leave them alone on the stage to bark like seals trying to get attention. Such a spectacle will not help any of them, and ultimately drive people mostly over to RDS.

NBC NEWS -- Ron DeSantis is expected to launch his 2024 presidential bid on Wednesday evening in a Twitter Space with Elon Musk.https://t.co/VYVPN8i0Hw

— Citizen Free Press (@CitizenFreePres) May 23, 2023

Ron Desantis will never be elected president.

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Ron Desantis will never be elected president.

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Well, then we better find a third candidate. If RDS won't and there is no way Trump will win. Who does the GOP have? Halley? Scott? Pompeo?

Running Trump is exactly what the Dems want and you will see record turnout against him. Biden may crack the 100 million mark against Trump.

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Ron Desantis will never be elected president.

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Well, then we better find a third candidate. If RDS won't and there is no way Trump will win. Who does the GOP have? Halley? Scott? Pompeo?

Running Trump is exactly what the Dems want and you will see record turnout against him. Biden may crack the 100 million mark against Trump.

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110 million. The Democrats will leave nothing to chance. They will never allow Donald Trump to win another election. Period.

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Ron Desantis will never be elected president.

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Well, then we better find a third candidate. If RDS won't and there is no way Trump will win. Who does the GOP have? Halley? Scott? Pompeo?

Running Trump is exactly what the Dems want and you will see record turnout against him. Biden may crack the 100 million mark against Trump.

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110 million. The Democrats will leave nothing to chance. They will never allow Donald Trump to win another election. Period.

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If you are correct, then they won't allow RDS or any other Republican to win, either.......

Seriously. Trying to find a candidate that doesn't inflame the passions of a Democrat is a fool's errand.

This...is a real headline.

We must, and will, totally break these people. They control low-upper class discourse, but nothing else. The poison won't be too too TOO hard to stop at the source. https://t.co/T2r57bebBw

— Wilfred X. Reilly, Californian (@wil_da_beast630) May 24, 2023

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Ron Desantis will never be elected president.

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I hope you are as accurate on this prediction as you were when declaring he'd never run . . . .

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When performing lewd acts in front of children is the hill you want to die on..

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— Rogue Conservative 🇺🇲✝️ (@RC_Tweets04) May 19, 2023

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It's a sad commentary regarding how bat **** crazy the democrat party has become when grooming children has become a civil right.

whiterock said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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Jack Bauer said:

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GOP First Primary debate is in August. Should be fun, especially if Pence is in the race too.

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Chris Christie will be the designated chimp, to throw "stuff" at Trump, so that DeSantis can remain above the fray.

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Will Trump participate in the debate?

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If his lead is anywhere close to where it is now, probably not. Would be nothing but downside for him. A reasonable case could be made that RDS shouldn't play either if there's going to be a half-dozen or more also-rans.

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Disagree
If Trump isn't there the debate won't be a circus of nicknames and insults. We will have a chance to sift the candidates
If Trump isn't there, it gives the others a chance

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You're making a different argument, saying that he should do so for YOUR benefit. I'm saying he will not because it will not benefit HIS campaign.

A candidate should always do what is best for their campaign. If the voters sufficiently dislike him for not coming to the debate and it costs him his lead…..then the candidate misassessed what was/wasn't good for the campaign.

Conventional advice for an incumbent with an enormous lead is not to cede any credibility to the debate by attending it. Trump is approaching a max-lead level….not many more points to pull his way. Why risk going….giving opponents a free chance to attack, taking a chance on making a gaffe, etc….. Ignore it as irrelevant and go upstage it somewhere with something more interesting. Makes everyone who attended look small. Ergo the suggestion that RDS should skip it as well, some important event in FL, some flashy endorsement, solo interview with Tucker Carlson, soiree with Elon Musk, etc….something that makes equal or bigger news than the debate.

Not saying RDS will skip it. But would be surprised if they are not evaluating options for doing so.

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Couldn't disagree more. Trump skipping the debate would be a huge mistake. It allows his alternatives to throw haymakers at him and get exposure while trump looks too scared to fight back. It would go against his entire persona.

I hope he does skip it for the negative repercussions that will result.

ABC BEAR said:

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Ron Desantis will never be elected president.

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Kind of like you said he would never run, Trumpist?

I'd suggest staying out of the prediction business. You're not very good at it or at evaluating candidates.

Mothra said:

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whiterock said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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Jack Bauer said:

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GOP First Primary debate is in August. Should be fun, especially if Pence is in the race too.

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Chris Christie will be the designated chimp, to throw "stuff" at Trump, so that DeSantis can remain above the fray.

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Will Trump participate in the debate?

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If his lead is anywhere close to where it is now, probably not. Would be nothing but downside for him. A reasonable case could be made that RDS shouldn't play either if there's going to be a half-dozen or more also-rans.

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Disagree
If Trump isn't there the debate won't be a circus of nicknames and insults. We will have a chance to sift the candidates
If Trump isn't there, it gives the others a chance

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You're making a different argument, saying that he should do so for YOUR benefit. I'm saying he will not because it will not benefit HIS campaign.

A candidate should always do what is best for their campaign. If the voters sufficiently dislike him for not coming to the debate and it costs him his lead…..then the candidate misassessed what was/wasn't good for the campaign.

Conventional advice for an incumbent with an enormous lead is not to cede any credibility to the debate by attending it. Trump is approaching a max-lead level….not many more points to pull his way. Why risk going….giving opponents a free chance to attack, taking a chance on making a gaffe, etc….. Ignore it as irrelevant and go upstage it somewhere with something more interesting. Makes everyone who attended look small. Ergo the suggestion that RDS should skip it as well, some important event in FL, some flashy endorsement, solo interview with Tucker Carlson, soiree with Elon Musk, etc….something that makes equal or bigger news than the debate.

Not saying RDS will skip it. But would be surprised if they are not evaluating options for doing so.

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Couldn't disagree more. Trump skipping the debate would be a huge mistake. It allows his alternatives to throw haymakers at him and get exposure while trump looks too scared to fight back. It would go against his entire persona.

I hope he does skip it for the negative repercussions that will result.

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I think GOP requires participants to pledge support for the nominee & Trump won't

RMF5630 said:

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ABC BEAR said:

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Ron Desantis will never be elected president.

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Well, then we better find a third candidate. If RDS won't and there is no way Trump will win. Who does the GOP have? Halley? Scott? Pompeo?

Running Trump is exactly what the Dems want and you will see record turnout against him. Biden may crack the 100 million mark against Trump.

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You are insane if you believe a guy sat in his basement and actually garnered 80 million votes from actual living breathing individuals.