Redbrickbear said:
whiterock said:
Redbrickbear said:
whiterock said:
Redbrickbear said:
whiterock said:
Redbrickbear said:
LOL An argument breaks out between two different activist groups at a protest and you think that is representative of a society as a whole?
Do you have any Jewish friends?
Any messianic Jewish friends?
(for that matter do you even know what is a messianic Jew?)
You need to get out a little more.
Actually my Uncle in Houston is married to a Jewish lady and they have a son who is Jewish (had a Bar mitzvah...that i went to and had a blast... and was in a historically Jewish frat at U.T. Austin)
So forget friends....I have relatives
But again....how does personally knowing or not knowing American Jews have anything to do with the racist, militarist, apartheid state of Israel?
Maybe you just need to educate yourself on what is really going on over there and not just listen to corporate American news? aka propaganda
Dude. I worked the Arab/Israeli issue most days for a decade. It was the context of state sponsored terrorism of the 80's. You are the one who is spouting off propaganda.....in sentences full of key words & phrases. That leads to the warped perspective that the video you posted is somehow representative of a reality where Israel is an nation of American/Christian hating people., All of my time abroad, I was in a milieu which had large-to-overwhelming Arab populations who all (rich/poor, Muslim/Christian, etc...) HATE Jews with the proverbial purple passion. The anti-semitic stuff they'd say out loud (almost always verbally ratified) never failed to amaze me.....normal, reasonable, never-go-to-mosque muslims would momentarily turn UBL whenever Israel woudl come up. You sound a lot like them.....
I have some Messianic Jewish friends. Love 'em to death, but that MJ stuff is weird.....and not representative of anything notably Israeli or American, beyond religious liberty. MJ is really just a twist on fundamentalist evangelicalism syncretizing with what isn't a whole lot more than just learning a few words of Hebrew and voila one is a messianic jew. It is understandable that even non-fundamentalist Jews would be off-put by someone who is not a Jew pretending to be a Jew, so when a MJ wades off into a protest (the context of the video....a protest) it's hardly surprising that radical Jews would react the way they did. Within political or religious movements there are tiers of weirdness. Those two groups you posted are the "point naught naught something" end of their respective spectrums.
It'd be one thing if you had something upon which to base your argument, but the premises are demonstrably not true. i lived next door and visited many times a REAL apartheid state. You do not appear to understand the meaning of the phrase "apartheid state" and how its use relative to Israel flags you as activist rather than analyst.
You have said Israel is an apartheid state.
The West Bank is not Israel.
Israel is illegally occupying the West Bank
In violation of international law…and imposing an oppressive military occupation and apartheid legal system
Occupying after being attacked, in a war which has not ended.
All the Palestinian leadership has to do to achieve peace is agree to the existence of the state of Israel.
Then there will be peace.
They won't do it.
So the war continues.
The end of it is up to the Palestinians.
Way back when, all the Arab states generally supported the Palestinian movement. Detested the Palestinians, but at least supported them by denying Israel the right to exist. Now, most of Israel's neighbors have normalized relations with Israel. But the Palestinians still refuse. And now ally with Iran. That's why the rest of the Arab world has washed their hands on the issue.
Read your history closely. Everywhere the Palestinians were given safe haven, they destabilized the country. Meanwhile, Israel has proven to be a responsible neighbor. Arabs understand where their interests are, and none of them really want a Palestinian state that will be constantly at war with Israel.
Netanhahu's quote on this subject is memorable because it is so manifestly true:
"If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence. If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel'"
That fundamental truth hasn't changed. Time has only ratified it over and over. No state which has made peace with Israel has had conflict with Israel. But all of them still do have conflict with the Palestinians, who cannot help themselves......
And occupying territory of peoples who have attacked you is not "an apartheid state."
Israel is not an apartheid state. non-Jews have full citizenship rights in Israel.
