A question relevant for this week is why is our idiot president interfering in Israeli politics.
Israel-Palestine stuff
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Because D.C. interferes in everyone's politics...everywhere?Harrison Bergeron said:
A question relevant for this week is why is our idiot president interfering in Israeli politics.
Ironically, you are describing a dynamic of open debate on matters of policy squarely within conventional classical liberal traditions of democratic processes within a multi-racial, multi-religious parliamentary republic.Redbrickbear said:whiterock said:so then what's the point of your post? What are you trying to prove? That Israel has ultra-conservative nationalists in their political spectrum? Every country has ultra-conservative nationalists in their political spectrum. Why is this remarkable for Israel?Redbrickbear said:whiterock said:Only a leftist would be alarmed at that.Redbrickbear said:— Richard Hanania (@RichardHanania) July 23, 2023
https://www.jta.org/2021/05/11/united-states/new-pew-study-shows-75-of-orthodox-jews-identify-as-republicans-up-from-57-in-2013
Who said Hanania is alarmed?
And Richard is not a leftist...or a rightwinger...he presents himself as a centrist on most issues.
Calm down...no one is trying to prove anything with the Hanania tweet.
Its just interesting when discussing Israel-Palestine to discuss the demographics of the place.
The Arab and Secularist birth rates are going down. The Hasidic birth rates are staying at high levels.
This will eventually have a political/voting effect.
But the Hasidic are not all nationalists...in fact many are anti-Zionist or at least Zionist skeptical.
In fact there is a lot of friction between the secularists and nationalists on one side and the Hasidic on the other.
[From the founding of political Zionism in the 1890s, Haredi Jewish leaders voiced objections to its secular orientation, and before the establishment of the State of Israel, the vast majority of Haredi Jews were opposed to Zionism... This was chiefly due to the concern that secular nationalism would redefine the Jewish nation from a religious community based in their alliance to God for whom adherence to religious laws were "the essence of the nation's task, purpose, and right to exists," to an ethnic group like any other as well as the view that it was forbidden for the Jews to re-constitute Jewish rule in the Land of Israel before the arrival of the Messiah.]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haredim_and_Zionism
Its more bi-racial than multi-racial.whiterock said:Ironically, you are describing a dynamic of open debate on matters of policy squarely within conventional classical liberal traditions of democratic processes within a multi-racial, multi-religious parliamentary republic.Redbrickbear said:
But the Hasidic are not all nationalists...in fact many are anti-Zionist or at least Zionist skeptical.
In fact there is a lot of friction between the secularists and nationalists on one side and the Hasidic on the other.
[From the founding of political Zionism in the 1890s, Haredi Jewish leaders voiced objections to its secular orientation, and before the establishment of the State of Israel, the vast majority of Haredi Jews were opposed to Zionism... This was chiefly due to the concern that secular nationalism would redefine the Jewish nation from a religious community based in their alliance to God for whom adherence to religious laws were "the essence of the nation's task, purpose, and right to exists," to an ethnic group like any other as well as the view that it was forbidden for the Jews to re-constitute Jewish rule in the Land of Israel before the arrival of the Messiah.]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haredim_and_Zionism
[In 2008, of Israel's 7.3 million people, 75.6 percent were Jews of any background]
[Arab residents in Israel...representing 21% of Israel's population]
96% of the population is either Jewish or Arab
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel
With one of the races in a 2nd class status if they live in an illegally occupied area (those who live in the West Bank) where they can not even use the same roads as Israeli citizens or vote.
And some serious discrimination for those who even have Israeli citizenship
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/25/opinion/israel-palestinian-citizens-racism-discrimination.html
[We Palestinians living in Israel "sub-exist," living under a system of discrimination and racism with laws that enshrine our second-class status]
https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/06/08/israel-palestine-west-bank-annexation-netanyahu-smotrich-far-right/
[Under international law, an occupying state is considered a temporary administratorrather than a sovereignof the territory it occupies. This means it is obligated to preserve the territory's pre-seizure state as much as possible. But in the West Bank, Israel has done the oppositeacting as sovereign by harnessing the territory's land and resources in the service of a colossal colonization project, mostly in the form of Israeli settlements.
Since 1967, Israel has built more than 130 settlements (and helped build about 140 settler outposts) in the West Bank; today, 700,000 Israeli settlers live in the territory, about 230,000 of them in East Jerusalem, according to Peace Now, an Israeli nongovernmental organization where I serve as legal advisor. Israeli settlers, who have full civil and political rights and are seamlessly connected to Israel's infrastructure and resources, reside alongside millions of Palestinians subject to Israeli military rule who have zero say over how they are governed. Numerous leading Israeli and international nongovernmental organizations have likened this bifurcated system to apartheid. (I authored the first report from such an Israeli groupYesh Dinin 2020.)]
[Under international law, an occupying state is considered a temporary administratorrather than a sovereignof the territory it occupies. This means it is obligated to preserve the territory's pre-seizure state as much as possible. But in the West Bank, Israel has done the oppositeacting as sovereign by harnessing the territory's land and resources in the service of a colossal colonization project, mostly in the form of Israeli settlements.
Since 1967, Israel has built more than 130 settlements (and helped build about 140 settler outposts) in the West Bank; today, 700,000 Israeli settlers live in the territory, about 230,000 of them in East Jerusalem, according to Peace Now, an Israeli nongovernmental organization where I serve as legal advisor. Israeli settlers, who have full civil and political rights and are seamlessly connected to Israel's infrastructure and resources, reside alongside millions of Palestinians subject to Israeli military rule who have zero say over how they are governed. Numerous leading Israeli and international nongovernmental organizations have likened this bifurcated system to apartheid. (I authored the first report from such an Israeli groupYesh Dinin 2020.)]
How many Muslims are in the Knesset?Redbrickbear said:Its more bi-racial than multi-racial.whiterock said:Ironically, you are describing a dynamic of open debate on matters of policy squarely within conventional classical liberal traditions of democratic processes within a multi-racial, multi-religious parliamentary republic.Redbrickbear said:
But the Hasidic are not all nationalists...in fact many are anti-Zionist or at least Zionist skeptical.
In fact there is a lot of friction between the secularists and nationalists on one side and the Hasidic on the other.
[From the founding of political Zionism in the 1890s, Haredi Jewish leaders voiced objections to its secular orientation, and before the establishment of the State of Israel, the vast majority of Haredi Jews were opposed to Zionism... This was chiefly due to the concern that secular nationalism would redefine the Jewish nation from a religious community based in their alliance to God for whom adherence to religious laws were "the essence of the nation's task, purpose, and right to exists," to an ethnic group like any other as well as the view that it was forbidden for the Jews to re-constitute Jewish rule in the Land of Israel before the arrival of the Messiah.]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haredim_and_Zionism
[In 2008, of Israel's 7.3 million people, 75.6 percent were Jews of any background]
[Arab residents in Israel...representing 21% of Israel's population]
96% of the population is either Jewish or Arab
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel
With one of the races in a 2nd class status if they live in an illegally occupied area (those who live in the West Bank) where they can not even use the same roads as Israeli citizens or vote.
And some serious discrimination for those who even have Israeli citizenship
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/25/opinion/israel-palestinian-citizens-racism-discrimination.html
[We Palestinians living in Israel "sub-exist," living under a system of discrimination and racism with laws that enshrine our second-class status]
How many Muslins are on the Israeli Supreme Court?
How many Jews are in positions of power in Palestinian-controlled areas?
Where is the International Criminal Court? https://t.co/w1Z8zN5k8Z
— sarah (@sahouraxo) July 26, 2023
How many Muslims are in the Knesset?Redbrickbear said:Where is the International Criminal Court? https://t.co/w1Z8zN5k8Z
— sarah (@sahouraxo) July 26, 2023
How many Muslins are on the Israeli Supreme Court?
How many Jews are in positions of power in Palestinian-controlled areas?
Harrison Bergeron said:How many Muslims are in the Knesset?Redbrickbear said:Where is the International Criminal Court? https://t.co/w1Z8zN5k8Z
— sarah (@sahouraxo) July 26, 2023
How many Muslins are on the Israeli Supreme Court?
How many Jews are in positions of power in Palestinian-controlled areas?
I'm not sure if you are being serious with this question.
Palestine (West Bank) is under Israeli military occupation.
(A international condemned illegal occupation at that)
The 500,000 Israeli settlers there do NOT allow themselves to be placed under Palestinian authority or answer to Palestine laws or recognize Palestine sovereignty.
Not to mention that the Palestinian authority only has partial administrative control of certain areas (areas the Jewish settlers allow them to have) and is in a very real sense a vassal to the more powerful State of Israel (the overall military governing power)
How many Muslims are in the Knesset?Redbrickbear said:Harrison Bergeron said:How many Muslims are in the Knesset?Redbrickbear said:Where is the International Criminal Court? https://t.co/w1Z8zN5k8Z
— sarah (@sahouraxo) July 26, 2023
How many Muslins are on the Israeli Supreme Court?
How many Jews are in positions of power in Palestinian-controlled areas?
I'm not sure if you are being serious with this question.
Palestine (West Bank) is under Israeli military occupation.
(A international condemned illegal occupation at that)
The 500,000 Israeli settlers there do NOT allow themselves to be placed under Palestinian authority or answer to Palestine laws or recognize Palestine sovereignty.
Not to mention that the Palestinian authority only has partial administrative control of certain areas (areas the Jewish settlers allow them to have) and is in a very real sense a vassal to the more powerful State of Israel (the overall military governing power)
How many Muslins are on the Israeli Supreme Court?
How many Jews are in positions of power in Palestinian-controlled areas?
Harrison Bergeron said:How many Muslims are in the Knesset?Redbrickbear said:Harrison Bergeron said:How many Muslims are in the Knesset?Redbrickbear said:Where is the International Criminal Court? https://t.co/w1Z8zN5k8Z
— sarah (@sahouraxo) July 26, 2023
How many Muslins are on the Israeli Supreme Court?
How many Jews are in positions of power in Palestinian-controlled areas?
I'm not sure if you are being serious with this question.
Palestine (West Bank) is under Israeli military occupation.
(A international condemned illegal occupation at that)
The 500,000 Israeli settlers there do NOT allow themselves to be placed under Palestinian authority or answer to Palestine laws or recognize Palestine sovereignty.
Not to mention that the Palestinian authority only has partial administrative control of certain areas (areas the Jewish settlers allow them to have) and is in a very real sense a vassal to the more powerful State of Israel (the overall military governing power)
How many Muslins are on the Israeli Supreme Court?
How many Jews are in positions of power in Palestinian-controlled areas?
I just answered your question. The Jewish settlers in the occupied West Bank do not consider themselves citizens of Palestine and will not recognize the Palestinian authority or serve in its government.
A government that is a vassal state to their military occupation and that has no authority over Jewish settler controlled areas.
The concept of "why are there no Jews in the occupied Palestinian government" is like asking "why are there no Americans in the Iraqi provisional government or why are there no Germans in the occupied French Vichy government"….in all these cases they have no jurisdiction over the military occupying power or its citizens.
As far as Muslims in the Knesset I can not say. Arabs are 20% of the Israel population and many are Christians as well as Muslims.
There are only 10 Arabs in Knesset (8.5% of the body)
Which is interesting since Arabs make up 21% of the entire population. Proportionally there should be more like 25 Arab members.
But of course there are Arab members in the Knesset since Arabs recognize Israeli law and allow themselves to be placed under Israeli authority and vote in elections.
Jewish settlers in the West Bank do not do the same thing…and fight to prevent that.
So Muslims actively participate equally in the government of Israel, but there is not a single Jew with power in Palestinian-controlled areas. Thank you for confirming.Redbrickbear said:Harrison Bergeron said:How many Muslims are in the Knesset?Redbrickbear said:Harrison Bergeron said:How many Muslims are in the Knesset?Redbrickbear said:Where is the International Criminal Court? https://t.co/w1Z8zN5k8Z
— sarah (@sahouraxo) July 26, 2023
How many Muslins are on the Israeli Supreme Court?
How many Jews are in positions of power in Palestinian-controlled areas?
I'm not sure if you are being serious with this question.
Palestine (West Bank) is under Israeli military occupation.
(A international condemned illegal occupation at that)
The 500,000 Israeli settlers there do NOT allow themselves to be placed under Palestinian authority or answer to Palestine laws or recognize Palestine sovereignty.
Not to mention that the Palestinian authority only has partial administrative control of certain areas (areas the Jewish settlers allow them to have) and is in a very real sense a vassal to the more powerful State of Israel (the overall military governing power)
How many Muslins are on the Israeli Supreme Court?
How many Jews are in positions of power in Palestinian-controlled areas?
I just answered your question. The Jewish settlers in the occupied West Bank do not consider themselves citizens of Palestine and will not recognize the Palestinian authority or serve in its government.
A government that is a vassal state to their military occupation and that has no authority over Jewish settler controlled areas.
The concept of "why are there no Jews in the occupied Palestinian government" is like asking "why are there no Americans in the Iraqi provisional government or why are there no Germans in the occupied French Vichy government"….in all these cases they have no jurisdiction over the military occupying power or its citizens.
As far as Muslims in the Knesset I can not say. Arabs are 20% of the Israel population and many are Christians as well as Muslims.
There are only 10 Arabs in Knesset (8.5% of the body)
Which is interesting since Arabs make up 21% of the entire population. Proportionally there should be more like 25 Arab members.
But of course there are Arab members in the Knesset since Arabs recognize Israeli law and allow themselves to be placed under Israeli authority and vote in elections.
Jewish settlers in the West Bank do not do the same thing…and fight to prevent that.
Harrison Bergeron said:So Muslims actively participate equally in the government of Israel, but there is not a single Jew with power in Palestinian-controlled areas. Thank you for confirming.Redbrickbear said:Harrison Bergeron said:How many Muslims are in the Knesset?Redbrickbear said:Harrison Bergeron said:How many Muslims are in the Knesset?Redbrickbear said:Where is the International Criminal Court? https://t.co/w1Z8zN5k8Z
— sarah (@sahouraxo) July 26, 2023
How many Muslins are on the Israeli Supreme Court?
How many Jews are in positions of power in Palestinian-controlled areas?
I'm not sure if you are being serious with this question.
Palestine (West Bank) is under Israeli military occupation.
(A international condemned illegal occupation at that)
The 500,000 Israeli settlers there do NOT allow themselves to be placed under Palestinian authority or answer to Palestine laws or recognize Palestine sovereignty.
Not to mention that the Palestinian authority only has partial administrative control of certain areas (areas the Jewish settlers allow them to have) and is in a very real sense a vassal to the more powerful State of Israel (the overall military governing power)
How many Muslins are on the Israeli Supreme Court?
How many Jews are in positions of power in Palestinian-controlled areas?
I just answered your question. The Jewish settlers in the occupied West Bank do not consider themselves citizens of Palestine and will not recognize the Palestinian authority or serve in its government.
A government that is a vassal state to their military occupation and that has no authority over Jewish settler controlled areas.
The concept of "why are there no Jews in the occupied Palestinian government" is like asking "why are there no Americans in the Iraqi provisional government or why are there no Germans in the occupied French Vichy government"….in all these cases they have no jurisdiction over the military occupying power or its citizens.
As far as Muslims in the Knesset I can not say. Arabs are 20% of the Israel population and many are Christians as well as Muslims.
There are only 10 Arabs in Knesset (8.5% of the body)
Which is interesting since Arabs make up 21% of the entire population. Proportionally there should be more like 25 Arab members.
But of course there are Arab members in the Knesset since Arabs recognize Israeli law and allow themselves to be placed under Israeli authority and vote in elections.
Jewish settlers in the West Bank do not do the same thing…and fight to prevent that.
Yes Muslims are loyal citizens of Israel and recognize Israel law and the political system and serve in the Knesset (even if for some reason a rates far below their real population percentage)
Israel settlers in the West Bank refuse to be governed by Palestinian law, refuse to recognize the Palestinian authority, and refuse to serve in its government.
Heck Jewish settlers won't even use the same roads that Palestinians use.
Please drop this stick where you pretend not to be able to read or grasp the difference…
That's advice you should follow......Redbrickbear said:Harrison Bergeron said:So Muslims actively participate equally in the government of Israel, but there is not a single Jew with power in Palestinian-controlled areas. Thank you for confirming.Redbrickbear said:Harrison Bergeron said:How many Muslims are in the Knesset?Redbrickbear said:Harrison Bergeron said:How many Muslims are in the Knesset?Redbrickbear said:Where is the International Criminal Court? https://t.co/w1Z8zN5k8Z
— sarah (@sahouraxo) July 26, 2023
How many Muslins are on the Israeli Supreme Court?
How many Jews are in positions of power in Palestinian-controlled areas?
I'm not sure if you are being serious with this question.
Palestine (West Bank) is under Israeli military occupation.
(A international condemned illegal occupation at that)
The 500,000 Israeli settlers there do NOT allow themselves to be placed under Palestinian authority or answer to Palestine laws or recognize Palestine sovereignty.
Not to mention that the Palestinian authority only has partial administrative control of certain areas (areas the Jewish settlers allow them to have) and is in a very real sense a vassal to the more powerful State of Israel (the overall military governing power)
How many Muslins are on the Israeli Supreme Court?
How many Jews are in positions of power in Palestinian-controlled areas?
I just answered your question. The Jewish settlers in the occupied West Bank do not consider themselves citizens of Palestine and will not recognize the Palestinian authority or serve in its government.
A government that is a vassal state to their military occupation and that has no authority over Jewish settler controlled areas.
The concept of "why are there no Jews in the occupied Palestinian government" is like asking "why are there no Americans in the Iraqi provisional government or why are there no Germans in the occupied French Vichy government"….in all these cases they have no jurisdiction over the military occupying power or its citizens.
As far as Muslims in the Knesset I can not say. Arabs are 20% of the Israel population and many are Christians as well as Muslims.
There are only 10 Arabs in Knesset (8.5% of the body)
Which is interesting since Arabs make up 21% of the entire population. Proportionally there should be more like 25 Arab members.
But of course there are Arab members in the Knesset since Arabs recognize Israeli law and allow themselves to be placed under Israeli authority and vote in elections.
Jewish settlers in the West Bank do not do the same thing…and fight to prevent that.
Yes Muslims are loyal citizens of Israel and recognize Israel law and the political system and serve in the Knesset (even if for some reason a rates far below their real population percentage)
Israel settlers in the West Bank refuse to be governed by Palestinian law, refuse to recognize the Palestinian authority, and refuse to serve in its government.
Heck Jewish settlers won't even use the same roads that Palestinians use.
Please drop this stick where you pretend not to be able to read or grasp the difference…
How many non-Muslims are in the Iranian Parliament?Redbrickbear said:Harrison Bergeron said:So Muslims actively participate equally in the government of Israel, but there is not a single Jew with power in Palestinian-controlled areas. Thank you for confirming.Redbrickbear said:Harrison Bergeron said:How many Muslims are in the Knesset?Redbrickbear said:Harrison Bergeron said:How many Muslims are in the Knesset?Redbrickbear said:Where is the International Criminal Court? https://t.co/w1Z8zN5k8Z
— sarah (@sahouraxo) July 26, 2023
How many Muslins are on the Israeli Supreme Court?
How many Jews are in positions of power in Palestinian-controlled areas?
I'm not sure if you are being serious with this question.
Palestine (West Bank) is under Israeli military occupation.
(A international condemned illegal occupation at that)
The 500,000 Israeli settlers there do NOT allow themselves to be placed under Palestinian authority or answer to Palestine laws or recognize Palestine sovereignty.
Not to mention that the Palestinian authority only has partial administrative control of certain areas (areas the Jewish settlers allow them to have) and is in a very real sense a vassal to the more powerful State of Israel (the overall military governing power)
How many Muslins are on the Israeli Supreme Court?
How many Jews are in positions of power in Palestinian-controlled areas?
I just answered your question. The Jewish settlers in the occupied West Bank do not consider themselves citizens of Palestine and will not recognize the Palestinian authority or serve in its government.
A government that is a vassal state to their military occupation and that has no authority over Jewish settler controlled areas.
The concept of "why are there no Jews in the occupied Palestinian government" is like asking "why are there no Americans in the Iraqi provisional government or why are there no Germans in the occupied French Vichy government"….in all these cases they have no jurisdiction over the military occupying power or its citizens.
As far as Muslims in the Knesset I can not say. Arabs are 20% of the Israel population and many are Christians as well as Muslims.
There are only 10 Arabs in Knesset (8.5% of the body)
Which is interesting since Arabs make up 21% of the entire population. Proportionally there should be more like 25 Arab members.
But of course there are Arab members in the Knesset since Arabs recognize Israeli law and allow themselves to be placed under Israeli authority and vote in elections.
Jewish settlers in the West Bank do not do the same thing…and fight to prevent that.
Yes Muslims are loyal citizens of Israel and recognize Israel law and the political system and serve in the Knesset (even if for some reason a rates far below their real population percentage)
Israel settlers in the West Bank refuse to be governed by Palestinian law, refuse to recognize the Palestinian authority, and refuse to serve in its government.
Heck Jewish settlers won't even use the same roads that Palestinians use.
Please drop this stick where you pretend not to be able to read or grasp the difference…
Not sure the relevance since Iran is a not an Arab State (they are actually Persians)....is Shiite instead of Sunni...and not a vassal state/or under occupation.Osodecentx said:How many non-Muslims are in the Iranian Parliament?Redbrickbear said:Harrison Bergeron said:So Muslims actively participate equally in the government of Israel, but there is not a single Jew with power in Palestinian-controlled areas. Thank you for confirming.Redbrickbear said:Harrison Bergeron said:How many Muslims are in the Knesset?Redbrickbear said:Harrison Bergeron said:How many Muslims are in the Knesset?Redbrickbear said:Where is the International Criminal Court? https://t.co/w1Z8zN5k8Z
— sarah (@sahouraxo) July 26, 2023
How many Muslins are on the Israeli Supreme Court?
How many Jews are in positions of power in Palestinian-controlled areas?
I'm not sure if you are being serious with this question.
Palestine (West Bank) is under Israeli military occupation.
(A international condemned illegal occupation at that)
The 500,000 Israeli settlers there do NOT allow themselves to be placed under Palestinian authority or answer to Palestine laws or recognize Palestine sovereignty.
Not to mention that the Palestinian authority only has partial administrative control of certain areas (areas the Jewish settlers allow them to have) and is in a very real sense a vassal to the more powerful State of Israel (the overall military governing power)
How many Muslins are on the Israeli Supreme Court?
How many Jews are in positions of power in Palestinian-controlled areas?
I just answered your question. The Jewish settlers in the occupied West Bank do not consider themselves citizens of Palestine and will not recognize the Palestinian authority or serve in its government.
A government that is a vassal state to their military occupation and that has no authority over Jewish settler controlled areas.
The concept of "why are there no Jews in the occupied Palestinian government" is like asking "why are there no Americans in the Iraqi provisional government or why are there no Germans in the occupied French Vichy government"….in all these cases they have no jurisdiction over the military occupying power or its citizens.
As far as Muslims in the Knesset I can not say. Arabs are 20% of the Israel population and many are Christians as well as Muslims.
There are only 10 Arabs in Knesset (8.5% of the body)
Which is interesting since Arabs make up 21% of the entire population. Proportionally there should be more like 25 Arab members.
But of course there are Arab members in the Knesset since Arabs recognize Israeli law and allow themselves to be placed under Israeli authority and vote in elections.
Jewish settlers in the West Bank do not do the same thing…and fight to prevent that.
Yes Muslims are loyal citizens of Israel and recognize Israel law and the political system and serve in the Knesset (even if for some reason a rates far below their real population percentage)
Israel settlers in the West Bank refuse to be governed by Palestinian law, refuse to recognize the Palestinian authority, and refuse to serve in its government.
Heck Jewish settlers won't even use the same roads that Palestinians use.
Please drop this stick where you pretend not to be able to read or grasp the difference…
But interestingly enough even though it is a actual Islamic Theocracy...in Iran there are actually Christians, Zoroastrians, and Jews in its Parliament.
[Currently, there are 290 members of Parliament, elected for a four-year term. There are five seats reserved for religious minorities , with two for the Armenian Christians and one each for the Assyrians, Jews and Zoroastrians. MPs are popularly elected for four-year terms. About 8% of the Parliament are women, while the global average is 13%]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Consultative_Assembly
ISRAEL
— Catholic Arena (@CatholicArena) July 28, 2023
A Catholic monk at Mar Elias pleads for calm as Israelis carried out several days of Zionist attacks and intimidation at the monastery in Haifa pic.twitter.com/uoAZz87je2
I think you should watch the video before posting.Redbrickbear said:ISRAEL
— Catholic Arena (@CatholicArena) July 28, 2023
A Catholic monk at Mar Elias pleads for calm as Israelis carried out several days of Zionist attacks and intimidation at the monastery in Haifa pic.twitter.com/uoAZz87je2
I agree. Looked peaceful and everyone got along. I am missing the point of the video in the context it was posted.Harrison Bergeron said:I think you should watch the video before posting.Redbrickbear said:ISRAEL
— Catholic Arena (@CatholicArena) July 28, 2023
A Catholic monk at Mar Elias pleads for calm as Israelis carried out several days of Zionist attacks and intimidation at the monastery in Haifa pic.twitter.com/uoAZz87je2
Harrison Bergeron said:I think you should watch the video before posting.Redbrickbear said:ISRAEL
— Catholic Arena (@CatholicArena) July 28, 2023
A Catholic monk at Mar Elias pleads for calm as Israelis carried out several days of Zionist attacks and intimidation at the monastery in Haifa pic.twitter.com/uoAZz87je2
I think a better question is did you watch the video? Radical settlers and ultra-orthodox surround the Church and try to close down Christian services...also demanding the site be turned into a Synagogue because they think a Prophet is buried there....and I guess you like it?
https://www.ynetnews.com/article/hjqicoqqh
Violent confrontation in Haifa: Breslav Hasidim were violently removed from a monastery
[The Stella Maris Monastery is once again the center of conflict - About 30 Hasidim came to the site, claiming that the prophet Elisha is buried there, and the Catholics pushed them out; At the same time: an unknown person burst into another church in the city with a dog during prayer]
https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/israeli-settlers-storm-st-elias-monastery-in-haifa-twice-in
[At around 10:00 am, in Haifa, a bus carrying a number of Israeli settlers arrived at Mar Elias Monastery in Al-Quds and attempted to storm the church and take it over. However, Palestinian churchgoers fought back and forced settlers to retreat before the IOF arrived at the scene.
According to Palestinian media, this is not the first incident of its kind. In fact, Israeli settlers attempted to storm the same church twice. Wadih Abu Nasser, advisor and media spokesperson of the Assembly of Catholic Ordinaries of the Holy Land, was asked if there would be a framework set in place to defend the church and protect the Christian Palestinian community that attends mass there.
To that point, Abu Nasser said that the monastery is looking into "setting up gates around the perimeter, in such a way that when anyone storms or crosses over the gate, they can legally hold them accountable]
Geez, talk about framing bias. 30 radical Jews riot at a Palestinian Christian Church and this is evidence that Israel is a colonial apartheid state?Redbrickbear said:Harrison Bergeron said:I think you should watch the video before posting.Redbrickbear said:ISRAEL
— Catholic Arena (@CatholicArena) July 28, 2023
A Catholic monk at Mar Elias pleads for calm as Israelis carried out several days of Zionist attacks and intimidation at the monastery in Haifa pic.twitter.com/uoAZz87je2
I think a better question is did you watch the video? Radical settlers and ultra-orthodox surround the Church and try to close down Christian services...also demanding the site be turned into a Synagogue because they think a Prophet is buried there....and I guess you like it?
https://www.ynetnews.com/article/hjqicoqqh
Violent confrontation in Haifa: Breslav Hasidim were violently removed from a monastery
[The Stella Maris Monastery is once again the center of conflict - About 30 Hasidim came to the site, claiming that the prophet Elisha is buried there, and the Catholics pushed them out; At the same time: an unknown person burst into another church in the city with a dog during prayer]
https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/israeli-settlers-storm-st-elias-monastery-in-haifa-twice-in
[At around 10:00 am, in Haifa, a bus carrying a number of Israeli settlers arrived at Mar Elias Monastery in Al-Quds and attempted to storm the church and take it over. However, Palestinian churchgoers fought back and forced settlers to retreat before the IOF arrived at the scene.
According to Palestinian media, this is not the first incident of its kind. In fact, Israeli settlers attempted to storm the same church twice. Wadih Abu Nasser, advisor and media spokesperson of the Assembly of Catholic Ordinaries of the Holy Land, was asked if there would be a framework set in place to defend the church and protect the Christian Palestinian community that attends mass there.
To that point, Abu Nasser said that the monastery is looking into "setting up gates around the perimeter, in such a way that when anyone storms or crosses over the gate, they can legally hold them accountable]
If their demands seem unreasonable, how about the Dome of the Rock? Are you familiar with that one?
German abbot gets told by an Israeli guard to cover his cross during a Jerusalem tour pic.twitter.com/Y1BI6RqGXA
— Censored Men (@CensoredMen) August 8, 2023
Redbrickbear said:Harrison Bergeron said:I think you should watch the video before posting.Redbrickbear said:ISRAEL
— Catholic Arena (@CatholicArena) July 28, 2023
A Catholic monk at Mar Elias pleads for calm as Israelis carried out several days of Zionist attacks and intimidation at the monastery in Haifa pic.twitter.com/uoAZz87je2
I think a better question is did you watch the video? Radical settlers and ultra-orthodox surround the Church and try to close down Christian services...also demanding the site be turned into a Synagogue because they think a Prophet is buried there....and I guess you like it?
https://www.ynetnews.com/article/hjqicoqqh
Violent confrontation in Haifa: Breslav Hasidim were violently removed from a monastery
[The Stella Maris Monastery is once again the center of conflict - About 30 Hasidim came to the site, claiming that the prophet Elisha is buried there, and the Catholics pushed them out; At the same time: an unknown person burst into another church in the city with a dog during prayer]
https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/israeli-settlers-storm-st-elias-monastery-in-haifa-twice-in
[At around 10:00 am, in Haifa, a bus carrying a number of Israeli settlers arrived at Mar Elias Monastery in Al-Quds and attempted to storm the church and take it over. However, Palestinian churchgoers fought back and forced settlers to retreat before the IOF arrived at the scene.
According to Palestinian media, this is not the first incident of its kind. In fact, Israeli settlers attempted to storm the same church twice. Wadih Abu Nasser, advisor and media spokesperson of the Assembly of Catholic Ordinaries of the Holy Land, was asked if there would be a framework set in place to defend the church and protect the Christian Palestinian community that attends mass there.
To that point, Abu Nasser said that the monastery is looking into "setting up gates around the perimeter, in such a way that when anyone storms or crosses over the gate, they can legally hold them accountable]
A few days ago my wife and I were offered a tour of the Holy Land led by our Catholic priest.
After talking with a friend who took the same tour 6 months ago, we decided to pass.
Mike Pence is an example of how our nation has been hijacked by a foreign power. The idea that we should treat Israel like any other foreign nation strikes them with horror. These politicians understand who controls our government and media, and it is not Americans. These… https://t.co/4qecf9Iv0V
— RAMZPAUL (@ramzpaul) August 31, 2023
Reminder:
— ib (@Indian_Bronson) September 11, 2023
Israel working alongside the US, knowingly, to deliberately lie America into the Iraq war, pretending it was linked to 9/11 and that Saddam posed a greater threat.
Here's Netanyahu, lying, performing like a snake.
But what if they played an even larger role?🧵 pic.twitter.com/GjNwd2tQ1r
KaiBear said:Redbrickbear said:Harrison Bergeron said:I think you should watch the video before posting.Redbrickbear said:ISRAEL
— Catholic Arena (@CatholicArena) July 28, 2023
A Catholic monk at Mar Elias pleads for calm as Israelis carried out several days of Zionist attacks and intimidation at the monastery in Haifa pic.twitter.com/uoAZz87je2
I think a better question is did you watch the video? Radical settlers and ultra-orthodox surround the Church and try to close down Christian services...also demanding the site be turned into a Synagogue because they think a Prophet is buried there....and I guess you like it?
https://www.ynetnews.com/article/hjqicoqqh
Violent confrontation in Haifa: Breslav Hasidim were violently removed from a monastery
[The Stella Maris Monastery is once again the center of conflict - About 30 Hasidim came to the site, claiming that the prophet Elisha is buried there, and the Catholics pushed them out; At the same time: an unknown person burst into another church in the city with a dog during prayer]
https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/israeli-settlers-storm-st-elias-monastery-in-haifa-twice-in
[At around 10:00 am, in Haifa, a bus carrying a number of Israeli settlers arrived at Mar Elias Monastery in Al-Quds and attempted to storm the church and take it over. However, Palestinian churchgoers fought back and forced settlers to retreat before the IOF arrived at the scene.
According to Palestinian media, this is not the first incident of its kind. In fact, Israeli settlers attempted to storm the same church twice. Wadih Abu Nasser, advisor and media spokesperson of the Assembly of Catholic Ordinaries of the Holy Land, was asked if there would be a framework set in place to defend the church and protect the Christian Palestinian community that attends mass there.
To that point, Abu Nasser said that the monastery is looking into "setting up gates around the perimeter, in such a way that when anyone storms or crosses over the gate, they can legally hold them accountable]
A few days ago my wife and I were offered a tour of the Holy Land led by our Catholic priest.
After talking with a friend who took the same tour 6 months ago, we decided to pass.
Update
Wife changed her mind and asked that I go with her.
11days in the Holy Land.
11days of little sleep, hours on a bus and Mass every single day.
Yep, going to be loads of fun .
KaiBear said:KaiBear said:Redbrickbear said:Harrison Bergeron said:I think you should watch the video before posting.Redbrickbear said:ISRAEL
— Catholic Arena (@CatholicArena) July 28, 2023
A Catholic monk at Mar Elias pleads for calm as Israelis carried out several days of Zionist attacks and intimidation at the monastery in Haifa pic.twitter.com/uoAZz87je2
I think a better question is did you watch the video? Radical settlers and ultra-orthodox surround the Church and try to close down Christian services...also demanding the site be turned into a Synagogue because they think a Prophet is buried there....and I guess you like it?
https://www.ynetnews.com/article/hjqicoqqh
Violent confrontation in Haifa: Breslav Hasidim were violently removed from a monastery
[The Stella Maris Monastery is once again the center of conflict - About 30 Hasidim came to the site, claiming that the prophet Elisha is buried there, and the Catholics pushed them out; At the same time: an unknown person burst into another church in the city with a dog during prayer]
https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/israeli-settlers-storm-st-elias-monastery-in-haifa-twice-in
[At around 10:00 am, in Haifa, a bus carrying a number of Israeli settlers arrived at Mar Elias Monastery in Al-Quds and attempted to storm the church and take it over. However, Palestinian churchgoers fought back and forced settlers to retreat before the IOF arrived at the scene.
According to Palestinian media, this is not the first incident of its kind. In fact, Israeli settlers attempted to storm the same church twice. Wadih Abu Nasser, advisor and media spokesperson of the Assembly of Catholic Ordinaries of the Holy Land, was asked if there would be a framework set in place to defend the church and protect the Christian Palestinian community that attends mass there.
To that point, Abu Nasser said that the monastery is looking into "setting up gates around the perimeter, in such a way that when anyone storms or crosses over the gate, they can legally hold them accountable]
A few days ago my wife and I were offered a tour of the Holy Land led by our Catholic priest.
After talking with a friend who took the same tour 6 months ago, we decided to pass.
Update
Wife changed her mind and asked that I go with her.
11days in the Holy Land.
11days of little sleep, hours on a bus and Mass every single day.
Yep, going to be loads of fun .
Have fun
LOLRedbrickbear said:KaiBear said:KaiBear said:Redbrickbear said:Harrison Bergeron said:I think you should watch the video before posting.Redbrickbear said:ISRAEL
— Catholic Arena (@CatholicArena) July 28, 2023
A Catholic monk at Mar Elias pleads for calm as Israelis carried out several days of Zionist attacks and intimidation at the monastery in Haifa pic.twitter.com/uoAZz87je2
I think a better question is did you watch the video? Radical settlers and ultra-orthodox surround the Church and try to close down Christian services...also demanding the site be turned into a Synagogue because they think a Prophet is buried there....and I guess you like it?
https://www.ynetnews.com/article/hjqicoqqh
Violent confrontation in Haifa: Breslav Hasidim were violently removed from a monastery
[The Stella Maris Monastery is once again the center of conflict - About 30 Hasidim came to the site, claiming that the prophet Elisha is buried there, and the Catholics pushed them out; At the same time: an unknown person burst into another church in the city with a dog during prayer]
https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/israeli-settlers-storm-st-elias-monastery-in-haifa-twice-in
[At around 10:00 am, in Haifa, a bus carrying a number of Israeli settlers arrived at Mar Elias Monastery in Al-Quds and attempted to storm the church and take it over. However, Palestinian churchgoers fought back and forced settlers to retreat before the IOF arrived at the scene.
According to Palestinian media, this is not the first incident of its kind. In fact, Israeli settlers attempted to storm the same church twice. Wadih Abu Nasser, advisor and media spokesperson of the Assembly of Catholic Ordinaries of the Holy Land, was asked if there would be a framework set in place to defend the church and protect the Christian Palestinian community that attends mass there.
To that point, Abu Nasser said that the monastery is looking into "setting up gates around the perimeter, in such a way that when anyone storms or crosses over the gate, they can legally hold them accountable]
A few days ago my wife and I were offered a tour of the Holy Land led by our Catholic priest.
After talking with a friend who took the same tour 6 months ago, we decided to pass.
Update
Wife changed her mind and asked that I go with her.
11days in the Holy Land.
11days of little sleep, hours on a bus and Mass every single day.
Yep, going to be loads of fun .
Have fun
Oh yeah.
KaiBear said:LOLRedbrickbear said:KaiBear said:KaiBear said:Redbrickbear said:Harrison Bergeron said:I think you should watch the video before posting.Redbrickbear said:ISRAEL
— Catholic Arena (@CatholicArena) July 28, 2023
A Catholic monk at Mar Elias pleads for calm as Israelis carried out several days of Zionist attacks and intimidation at the monastery in Haifa pic.twitter.com/uoAZz87je2
I think a better question is did you watch the video? Radical settlers and ultra-orthodox surround the Church and try to close down Christian services...also demanding the site be turned into a Synagogue because they think a Prophet is buried there....and I guess you like it?
https://www.ynetnews.com/article/hjqicoqqh
Violent confrontation in Haifa: Breslav Hasidim were violently removed from a monastery
[The Stella Maris Monastery is once again the center of conflict - About 30 Hasidim came to the site, claiming that the prophet Elisha is buried there, and the Catholics pushed them out; At the same time: an unknown person burst into another church in the city with a dog during prayer]
https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/israeli-settlers-storm-st-elias-monastery-in-haifa-twice-in
[At around 10:00 am, in Haifa, a bus carrying a number of Israeli settlers arrived at Mar Elias Monastery in Al-Quds and attempted to storm the church and take it over. However, Palestinian churchgoers fought back and forced settlers to retreat before the IOF arrived at the scene.
According to Palestinian media, this is not the first incident of its kind. In fact, Israeli settlers attempted to storm the same church twice. Wadih Abu Nasser, advisor and media spokesperson of the Assembly of Catholic Ordinaries of the Holy Land, was asked if there would be a framework set in place to defend the church and protect the Christian Palestinian community that attends mass there.
To that point, Abu Nasser said that the monastery is looking into "setting up gates around the perimeter, in such a way that when anyone storms or crosses over the gate, they can legally hold them accountable]
A few days ago my wife and I were offered a tour of the Holy Land led by our Catholic priest.
After talking with a friend who took the same tour 6 months ago, we decided to pass.
Update
Wife changed her mind and asked that I go with her.
11days in the Holy Land.
11days of little sleep, hours on a bus and Mass every single day.
Yep, going to be loads of fun .
Have fun
Oh yeah.
Just don't mention Jesus and you should be ok….lol
Christian Zionists should be required to visit Israel - but the real Israel, not the carefully guided tours provided by the gov't for propaganda purposes.
— Asha Logos (@AshaLogos) September 12, 2023
I can't count the number of videos I've seen like this.. there are a *great many*. https://t.co/kIBlGaVj6W
Conservative Friends of Israel moment https://t.co/JEqQ4M7x8i pic.twitter.com/KrqQm2Aecq
— Camilo (@AscendedYield) September 15, 2023
Would be far more concerned about visiting, Memphis, Oakland, Baltimore, New Orleans, East Saint Louis, east LA, or South Oak Cliff.Redbrickbear said:KaiBear said:LOLRedbrickbear said:KaiBear said:KaiBear said:Redbrickbear said:Harrison Bergeron said:I think you should watch the video before posting.Redbrickbear said:ISRAEL
— Catholic Arena (@CatholicArena) July 28, 2023
A Catholic monk at Mar Elias pleads for calm as Israelis carried out several days of Zionist attacks and intimidation at the monastery in Haifa pic.twitter.com/uoAZz87je2
I think a better question is did you watch the video? Radical settlers and ultra-orthodox surround the Church and try to close down Christian services...also demanding the site be turned into a Synagogue because they think a Prophet is buried there....and I guess you like it?
https://www.ynetnews.com/article/hjqicoqqh
Violent confrontation in Haifa: Breslav Hasidim were violently removed from a monastery
[The Stella Maris Monastery is once again the center of conflict - About 30 Hasidim came to the site, claiming that the prophet Elisha is buried there, and the Catholics pushed them out; At the same time: an unknown person burst into another church in the city with a dog during prayer]
https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/israeli-settlers-storm-st-elias-monastery-in-haifa-twice-in
[At around 10:00 am, in Haifa, a bus carrying a number of Israeli settlers arrived at Mar Elias Monastery in Al-Quds and attempted to storm the church and take it over. However, Palestinian churchgoers fought back and forced settlers to retreat before the IOF arrived at the scene.
According to Palestinian media, this is not the first incident of its kind. In fact, Israeli settlers attempted to storm the same church twice. Wadih Abu Nasser, advisor and media spokesperson of the Assembly of Catholic Ordinaries of the Holy Land, was asked if there would be a framework set in place to defend the church and protect the Christian Palestinian community that attends mass there.
To that point, Abu Nasser said that the monastery is looking into "setting up gates around the perimeter, in such a way that when anyone storms or crosses over the gate, they can legally hold them accountable]
A few days ago my wife and I were offered a tour of the Holy Land led by our Catholic priest.
After talking with a friend who took the same tour 6 months ago, we decided to pass.
Update
Wife changed her mind and asked that I go with her.
11days in the Holy Land.
11days of little sleep, hours on a bus and Mass every single day.
Yep, going to be loads of fun .
Have fun
Oh yeah.
Just don't mention Jesus and you should be ok….lolChristian Zionists should be required to visit Israel - but the real Israel, not the carefully guided tours provided by the gov't for propaganda purposes.
— Asha Logos (@AshaLogos) September 12, 2023
I can't count the number of videos I've seen like this.. there are a *great many*. https://t.co/kIBlGaVj6W
The picture of course is taken in Israel, not America.
— Chief Trumpster (@ChiefTrumpster) October 3, 2023
Interesting! 🧐 https://t.co/rC3Wyty2vq pic.twitter.com/627JE5lHxM
Prominent settler activist says spitting on Christians 'ancient Jewish custom' https://t.co/KRQI1zYlkW
— Haaretz.com (@haaretzcom) October 3, 2023
Hamas lauches thousands of rockets against Israel.
At least 22 killed.
Others captured by Hamas forces.
Israel declares war.
Wonder if the US has still another 72 billion dollars to give away ?
At least 22 killed.
Others captured by Hamas forces.
Israel declares war.
Wonder if the US has still another 72 billion dollars to give away ?