KaiBear said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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You really hate democracy dont you? You seem unwilling to accept the decisions of the voters.

Btw i wasnt criticizing Trumps golf time. The more time he wasted the better. I was pointing out his hypocrisy . Its a difficult point but i thought you could handle it. I often overestimate posters. It may be time for you to change your name again

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Get stuffed.

You want to make heroin, meth and LSD legal.

Anyone that bloody stupid lives in a fantasy land where chasing 3rd world, poverty stricken prostitutes, is a noble way to spend one's retirement.

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Nailed him. Truly a sad existence.

There's a Bible verse that comes to mind about finishing the race well. His story is the opposite of that.

Mothra said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Mothra said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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You really hate democracy dont you? You seem unwilling to accept the decisions of the voters.

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Why dont you believe him..

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I dont believe either has our countries best interest as a goal. Both are party shills along with those who vote for them

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So if one's a conservative, vote for someone who doesn't have a chance in hell of winning so the greater of the evils gets elected.

Make sense only in the land of make believe you live in.

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I hear the same posters over and over claim America is rolling downhill like a snowball heading to hell. Yet you demand maintaining the status quo. Theres a quote somewhere about a person that repeats the same action over and over again and expects a different outcome.

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I don't support maintaining the status quo. I want Biden and his disastrous policies gone.

The irony is it's you who will vote in a way to maintain the status quo. It's you who will vote in a way to get Biden re-elected.

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The point is that the GOP is part of the status quo. We're not on this path just because of one party.

Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Mothra said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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You really hate democracy dont you? You seem unwilling to accept the decisions of the voters.

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Why dont you believe him..

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I dont believe either has our countries best interest as a goal. Both are party shills along with those who vote for them

---

So if one's a conservative, vote for someone who doesn't have a chance in hell of winning so the greater of the evils gets elected.

Make sense only in the land of make believe you live in.

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I hear the same posters over and over claim America is rolling downhill like a snowball heading to hell. Yet you demand maintaining the status quo. Theres a quote somewhere about a person that repeats the same action over and over again and expects a different outcome.

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I don't support maintaining the status quo. I want Biden and his disastrous policies gone.

The irony is it's you who will vote in a way to maintain the status quo. It's you who will vote in a way to get Biden re-elected.

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The point is that the GOP is part of the status quo. We're not on this path just because of one party.

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The disaster that is the Biden Administration is not the fault of the Republican Party. It is a result of Republicans willing to allow the corruption to continue. The Republicans have no resolve or killer instinct. The Democrats have tasted power and are unwilling to let it go. Right now, I am betting on Democrat corruption to crush Republican weakness. The Republican Party has NO intestinal fortitude. None. They are all empty suits.

If the publicans would run better candidates they would win elections.. 1 out of 4 lately.

When you vote for PoS (your words) you lose.

Mothra said:

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KaiBear said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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You really hate democracy dont you? You seem unwilling to accept the decisions of the voters.

Btw i wasnt criticizing Trumps golf time. The more time he wasted the better. I was pointing out his hypocrisy . Its a difficult point but i thought you could handle it. I often overestimate posters. It may be time for you to change your name again

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Get stuffed.

You want to make heroin, meth and LSD legal.

Anyone that bloody stupid lives in a fantasy land where chasing 3rd world, poverty stricken prostitutes, is a noble way to spend one's retirement.

---

Nailed him. Truly a sad existence.

There's a Bible verse that comes to mind about finishing the race well. His story is the opposite of that.

---

I live well. I have travelled the world. I have worked in poor countries and very rich countries. God has blessed me with intelligent competent children and strong healthy grandkids.

I travel. I had a kid from Ruwais , Abu Dhabi call two nights ago telling me thanking me for helped him get his commercial pilots license.

Kia thr drug war has been as big a failure as the war on poverty but lets keep up the status quo. No reason to change anything right?

Mothra lies about me chasing 3rd world prostitues. In his narrow minded limited mind every woman that comes from a poor country is a prostitute. He gets frustrated when posters dont toe his party line

Oldbear83 said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Joe Biden is too old to be President. Donald Trump is too old to be President.

We need younger leadership. My fellow Boomers need to step off of the Geriatric Highway to Hell. Both Republicans and Democrats.

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That's not one of your options. Your options are the criminal or the one whose son is an addict.

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You mis-spoke. The criminal's son is the criminal addict, would be the correct phrase.

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I'd bet you $1 Biden will not have three criminal indictments before Thanksgiving.I'll be the guy in the left.

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All that means is you think the system will protect the crime family. On that point we agree.

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You ever find it odd that your team only think it's fair when you win? Notice no Claim of fraud in Ohio or Florida? No fraud in rural Wisconsin but Milwaukee? Fraud?! Atlanta fraud but rural Georgia, none? Fraud in Houston but not Central Texas?

You never find it odd?

Mitch Blood Green said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Joe Biden is too old to be President. Donald Trump is too old to be President.

We need younger leadership. My fellow Boomers need to step off of the Geriatric Highway to Hell. Both Republicans and Democrats.

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That's not one of your options. Your options are the criminal or the one whose son is an addict.

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In all fairness, I do not believe Trump a criminal in the sense we are talking about Biden as a criminal.

There are no money deals with Trump out there like Biden impacting National Policy. Trump is being accused of valuation of property in Westchester (I am sure he is not the only one), taking advantage of redevelopment tax breaks (legitimate uses he is getting lambasted over) or shamelessly promoting/using his hotels (that is who he is) all skirt the law, but not in the "crime famliy" way we are talking about with Biden.

Biden and Hunter are making deals impacting policy with foreign nationals. Biden is using his family to launder money and give heads up on future National policy. In my opinion. that is much worse than the Trump stuff.

I don't view Trump as a criminal, narcissist, sloppy, and needs to stay on TV, yes. Criminal, no.

Mitch Blood Green said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Joe Biden is too old to be President. Donald Trump is too old to be President.

We need younger leadership. My fellow Boomers need to step off of the Geriatric Highway to Hell. Both Republicans and Democrats.

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That's not one of your options. Your options are the criminal or the one whose son is an addict.

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You mis-spoke. The criminal's son is the criminal addict, would be the correct phrase.

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I'd bet you $1 Biden will not have three criminal indictments before Thanksgiving.I'll be the guy in the left.

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All that means is you think the system will protect the crime family. On that point we agree.

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You ever find it odd that your team only think it's fair when you win? Notice no Claim of fraud in Ohio or Florida? No fraud in rural Wisconsin but Milwaukee? Fraud?! Atlanta fraud but rural Georgia, none? Fraud in Houston but not Central Texas?

You never find it odd?

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It is not fraud! For a group that loves to play minutia, exact word, logical fallacy games for every post they don't like, they sure play it loose and wild with the term fraud! There was no fraud that threw the 2020 election, that is why ALL Trump's lawsuits failed.

Now, if you want to talk about State's changing voting rules against their Statutes? You may have a point, which is what Barr said. Bottomline is the votes that were cast were real votes, whether they should be included based on the voting rules is another argument. But, it was not a case of fraudulant votes, in this case the legal definition matters.

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Mothra said:

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KaiBear said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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You really hate democracy dont you? You seem unwilling to accept the decisions of the voters.

Btw i wasnt criticizing Trumps golf time. The more time he wasted the better. I was pointing out his hypocrisy . Its a difficult point but i thought you could handle it. I often overestimate posters. It may be time for you to change your name again

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Get stuffed.

You want to make heroin, meth and LSD legal.

Anyone that bloody stupid lives in a fantasy land where chasing 3rd world, poverty stricken prostitutes, is a noble way to spend one's retirement.

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Nailed him. Truly a sad existence.

There's a Bible verse that comes to mind about finishing the race well. His story is the opposite of that.

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I live well. I have travelled the world. I have worked in poor countries and very rich countries. God has blessed me with intelligent competent children and strong healthy grandkids.

I travel. I had a kid from Ruwais , Abu Dhabi call two nights ago telling me thanking me for helped him get his commercial pilots license.

Kia thr drug war has been as big a failure as the war on poverty but lets keep up the status quo. No reason to change anything right?

Mothra lies about me chasing 3rd world prostitues. In his narrow minded limited mind every woman that comes from a poor country is a prostitute. He gets frustrated when posters dont toe his party line

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' I live well '

Have read your mantra several times . Not sure who you are attempting to convince. Others or yourself ?

Brag about 'dating' 3rd world women almost as often .

You constantly promote the legalization of meth , heroin, and LSD realities be damned .That hundreds of thousands of people would die and their families would suffer is irrelevant to you .

Rarely practice the moral and social code of a follower of Jesus Christ yet insist you are a Christian.

Classic narcissist.

My hero, Barry Goldwater, predicted where we are today nearly five decades ago.

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"Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them."

Barry Goldwater

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Mothra said:

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KaiBear said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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You really hate democracy dont you? You seem unwilling to accept the decisions of the voters.

Btw i wasnt criticizing Trumps golf time. The more time he wasted the better. I was pointing out his hypocrisy . Its a difficult point but i thought you could handle it. I often overestimate posters. It may be time for you to change your name again

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Get stuffed.

You want to make heroin, meth and LSD legal.

Anyone that bloody stupid lives in a fantasy land where chasing 3rd world, poverty stricken prostitutes, is a noble way to spend one's retirement.

---

Nailed him. Truly a sad existence.

There's a Bible verse that comes to mind about finishing the race well. His story is the opposite of that.

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I live well. I have travelled the world. I have worked in poor countries and very rich countries. God has blessed me with intelligent competent children and strong healthy grandkids.

I travel. I had a kid from Ruwais , Abu Dhabi call two nights ago telling me thanking me for helped him get his commercial pilots license.

Kia thr drug war has been as big a failure as the war on poverty but lets keep up the status quo. No reason to change anything right?

Mothra lies about me chasing 3rd world prostitues. In his narrow minded limited mind every woman that comes from a poor country is a prostitute. He gets frustrated when posters dont toe his party line

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I never said anything of the sort. You might want to take a little closer look at who you are responding to. It was another poster who accused you of sleeping with prostitutes.

I have no idea whether your girlfriends are paid for. What I do know is you've bragged on this board about going to other countries and hooking up with women half your age, even taking a shot at me at one point for having an age appropriate wife. Your "girlfriends" as you've called them. Those were your words not mine. And somehow you believe traipsing around the world away from kids and grandkids and sleeping with women half your age is a "living well," despite claiming to be a Bible-believing Christian. I would respectfully submit that God disagrees with you.

It's your life and you can engage in despicable and sinful behavior if you want. But if you truly believe that kind of life is a "good" one, as I said - that's really sad. That is not finishing well.

Aliceinbubbleland said:

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My hero, Barry Goldwater, predicted where we are today nearly five decades ago.

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"Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them."

Barry Goldwater

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Trump is a result of preachers taking over the republican party? That's a new one.

I think the more accurate answer is Trump appealed to a populist element of society that was becoming increasingly disenfranchised with Democrats. Namely, blue-collar workers in the rust belt. That is why Trump won in 2016 and lost in 2020.

You might be able to make the case that Shrub was the result of evangelical Christians. But I even think that would be a tough argument.

Goldwater was conservative on fiscal issues and didnt care much about social issues. The idea that his brand of conservatism would have been good, for the country is certainly not a fact supported by any evidence. As we are seeing woke social policy after woke, social policy, be passed by the states, it stands to reason that without some pushback, our society would be much worse off now than it is.

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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If the publicans would run better candidates they would win elections.. 1 out of 4 lately.

When you vote for PoS (your words) you lose.

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When two pieces of **** are running, you vote for the lesser of the evils.

When you don't, the country loses.

Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Mothra said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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You really hate democracy dont you? You seem unwilling to accept the decisions of the voters.

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Why dont you believe him..

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I dont believe either has our countries best interest as a goal. Both are party shills along with those who vote for them

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So if one's a conservative, vote for someone who doesn't have a chance in hell of winning so the greater of the evils gets elected.

Make sense only in the land of make believe you live in.

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I hear the same posters over and over claim America is rolling downhill like a snowball heading to hell. Yet you demand maintaining the status quo. Theres a quote somewhere about a person that repeats the same action over and over again and expects a different outcome.

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I don't support maintaining the status quo. I want Biden and his disastrous policies gone.

The irony is it's you who will vote in a way to maintain the status quo. It's you who will vote in a way to get Biden re-elected.

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The point is that the GOP is part of the status quo. We're not on this path just because of one party.

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Give me a viable alternative and I'm on board.

Aliceinbubbleland said:

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My hero, Barry Goldwater, predicted where we are today nearly five decades ago.

Quote:

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"Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them."

Barry Goldwater

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Barry Goldwater would be a RINO under today's definitions. Look at his stances accordin to his Grand Daughter in this article.

Barry Goldwater and Today's GOP (newsweek.com)

I have been saying this all along, the positions of the GOP Conservative side is not the Conservativism of Reagan, Goldwater, Eisenhower and Bush. All of thier positions and actions would be defined as RINOs.

Hell, Trumps actually policies would qualify as RINO.

FLBear5630 said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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My hero, Barry Goldwater, predicted where we are today nearly five decades ago.

Quote:

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"Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them."

Barry Goldwater

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Barry Goldwater would be a RINO under today's definitions. Look at his stances accordin to his Grand Daughter in this article.

Barry Goldwater and Today's GOP (newsweek.com)

I have been saying this all along, the positions of the GOP Conservative side is not the Conservativism of Reagan, Goldwater, Eisenhower and Bush. All of thier positions and actions would be defined as RINOs.

Hell, Trumps actually policies would qualify as RINO.

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So the GOP has gone too far right, but all of the candidates it elected are RINOs. Interesting.

I agree with you on Goldwater. He was not a Christian or a conservative. When it comes to social issues, he could've cared less. Reagan, on the other hand, his policies were both fiscally and socially conservative. Was he as far right as DeSantis? Probably not, but to suggest he was a RINO truly is revisionist history.

I'm still waiting for you to name a republican candidate, who ran is a moderate in one a general election.

Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Mothra said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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You really hate democracy dont you? You seem unwilling to accept the decisions of the voters.

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Why dont you believe him..

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I dont believe either has our countries best interest as a goal. Both are party shills along with those who vote for them

---

So if one's a conservative, vote for someone who doesn't have a chance in hell of winning so the greater of the evils gets elected.

Make sense only in the land of make believe you live in.

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I hear the same posters over and over claim America is rolling downhill like a snowball heading to hell. Yet you demand maintaining the status quo. Theres a quote somewhere about a person that repeats the same action over and over again and expects a different outcome.

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I don't support maintaining the status quo. I want Biden and his disastrous policies gone.

The irony is it's you who will vote in a way to maintain the status quo. It's you who will vote in a way to get Biden re-elected.

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The point is that the GOP is part of the status quo. We're not on this path just because of one party.

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Give me a viable alternative and I'm on board.

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No one's going to give it to us. We have to create it.

FLBear5630 said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Joe Biden is too old to be President. Donald Trump is too old to be President.

We need younger leadership. My fellow Boomers need to step off of the Geriatric Highway to Hell. Both Republicans and Democrats.

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That's not one of your options. Your options are the criminal or the one whose son is an addict.

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In all fairness, I do not believe Trump a criminal in the sense we are talking about Biden as a criminal.

There are no money deals with Trump out there like Biden impacting National Policy. Trump is being accused of valuation of property in Westchester (I am sure he is not the only one), taking advantage of redevelopment tax breaks (legitimate uses he is getting lambasted over) or shamelessly promoting/using his hotels (that is who he is) all skirt the law, but not in the "crime famliy" way we are talking about with Biden.

Biden and Hunter are making deals impacting policy with foreign nationals. Biden is using his family to launder money and give heads up on future National policy. In my opinion. that is much worse than the Trump stuff.

I don't view Trump as a criminal, narcissist, sloppy, and needs to stay on TV, yes. Criminal, no.

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That's because you believe Biden has deals with China (no prooof) while ignoring the deals done between Trump/ Jared and the Saudis and Chinese.

In the end, taking the documents and refusing to return them IS a crime. You can decide if you think there's national security implications.

In the end, election interference IS a crime. You can decide if it has implications or not.

Mitch Blood Green said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Joe Biden is too old to be President. Donald Trump is too old to be President.

We need younger leadership. My fellow Boomers need to step off of the Geriatric Highway to Hell. Both Republicans and Democrats.

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That's not one of your options. Your options are the criminal or the one whose son is an addict.

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Joe Biden has sold out to China, Ukraine, Russia, and the Mexican Cartels. He should be tried and if found guilty, publicly hanged for treason. This should be a warning to any politicians in the future that even think about selling out our country.

Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Mothra said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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You really hate democracy dont you? You seem unwilling to accept the decisions of the voters.

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Why dont you believe him..

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I dont believe either has our countries best interest as a goal. Both are party shills along with those who vote for them

---

So if one's a conservative, vote for someone who doesn't have a chance in hell of winning so the greater of the evils gets elected.

Make sense only in the land of make believe you live in.

---

I hear the same posters over and over claim America is rolling downhill like a snowball heading to hell. Yet you demand maintaining the status quo. Theres a quote somewhere about a person that repeats the same action over and over again and expects a different outcome.

---

I don't support maintaining the status quo. I want Biden and his disastrous policies gone.

The irony is it's you who will vote in a way to maintain the status quo. It's you who will vote in a way to get Biden re-elected.

---

The point is that the GOP is part of the status quo. We're not on this path just because of one party.

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Give me a viable alternative and I'm on board.

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No one's going to give it to us. We have to create it.

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I will be voting for DeSantis in the primary. I'm not sure what else I can do. There hasn't been a viable third-party candidate since the turn of the century.

Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Mothra said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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You really hate democracy dont you? You seem unwilling to accept the decisions of the voters.

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Why dont you believe him..

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I dont believe either has our countries best interest as a goal. Both are party shills along with those who vote for them

---

So if one's a conservative, vote for someone who doesn't have a chance in hell of winning so the greater of the evils gets elected.

Make sense only in the land of make believe you live in.

---

I hear the same posters over and over claim America is rolling downhill like a snowball heading to hell. Yet you demand maintaining the status quo. Theres a quote somewhere about a person that repeats the same action over and over again and expects a different outcome.

---

I don't support maintaining the status quo. I want Biden and his disastrous policies gone.

The irony is it's you who will vote in a way to maintain the status quo. It's you who will vote in a way to get Biden re-elected.

---

The point is that the GOP is part of the status quo. We're not on this path just because of one party.

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Give me a viable alternative and I'm on board.

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No one's going to give it to us. We have to create it.

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I will be voting for DeSantis in the primary. I'm not sure what else I can do. There hasn't been a viable third-party candidate since the turn of the century.

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Vote for me. I'll set you free.

Mothra said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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My hero, Barry Goldwater, predicted where we are today nearly five decades ago.

Quote:

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"Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them."

Barry Goldwater

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Barry Goldwater would be a RINO under today's definitions. Look at his stances accordin to his Grand Daughter in this article.

Barry Goldwater and Today's GOP (newsweek.com)

I have been saying this all along, the positions of the GOP Conservative side is not the Conservativism of Reagan, Goldwater, Eisenhower and Bush. All of thier positions and actions would be defined as RINOs.

Hell, Trumps actually policies would qualify as RINO.

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So the GOP has gone too far right, but all of the candidates it elected are RINOs. Interesting.

I agree with you on Goldwater. He was not a Christian or a conservative. When it comes to social issues, he could've cared less. Reagan, on the other hand, his policies were both fiscally and socially conservative. Was he as far right as DeSantis? Probably not, but to suggest he was a RINO truly is revisionist history.

I'm still waiting for you to name a republican candidate, who ran is a moderate in one a general election.

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The controlling faction of the GOP is too far right. And the Conservative Leaders from the past if around today would not be able to meet their criteria for "non-RINO". Let's look at Reagan.

1 Voted for FDR 4 times and was fan of New Deal
2 Firm supporter of NATO and our involvement
3 Defense Spending - SDI, need I say more?
4 Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 - Amnesty, he actually did it.
5 Gun Control - Reagan was for gun control
6 Gay Rights - He was for gay rights
7 Raised taxes 3 times and expanded Earned Income Tax Credit
8 Saved SS
9 Expanded the Federal Govt and its power
10 Invaded Grenada
11 Gave weapons to Iraq and Afghanistan

So, if a RINO is someone that talks conservative, as defined by whoever is judging, and does not follow through doesn't Reagan fit?

Of course, I like Reagan's Conservatism, it was a mix of free market, freedom and realism to govern.

Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Mothra said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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You really hate democracy dont you? You seem unwilling to accept the decisions of the voters.

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Why dont you believe him..

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I dont believe either has our countries best interest as a goal. Both are party shills along with those who vote for them

---

So if one's a conservative, vote for someone who doesn't have a chance in hell of winning so the greater of the evils gets elected.

Make sense only in the land of make believe you live in.

---

I hear the same posters over and over claim America is rolling downhill like a snowball heading to hell. Yet you demand maintaining the status quo. Theres a quote somewhere about a person that repeats the same action over and over again and expects a different outcome.

---

I don't support maintaining the status quo. I want Biden and his disastrous policies gone.

The irony is it's you who will vote in a way to maintain the status quo. It's you who will vote in a way to get Biden re-elected.

---

The point is that the GOP is part of the status quo. We're not on this path just because of one party.

---

Give me a viable alternative and I'm on board.

---

No one's going to give it to us. We have to create it.

---

I will be voting for DeSantis in the primary. I'm not sure what else I can do. There hasn't been a viable third-party candidate since the turn of the century.

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I will be votin for DeSantis. Just praying he gets off this anti-woke kick. He is forgetting what made him his name - keeping Florida running during the Pandemic supporting business and freedom.

Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Mothra said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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You really hate democracy dont you? You seem unwilling to accept the decisions of the voters.

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Why dont you believe him..

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I dont believe either has our countries best interest as a goal. Both are party shills along with those who vote for them

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So if one's a conservative, vote for someone who doesn't have a chance in hell of winning so the greater of the evils gets elected.

Make sense only in the land of make believe you live in.

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I hear the same posters over and over claim America is rolling downhill like a snowball heading to hell. Yet you demand maintaining the status quo. Theres a quote somewhere about a person that repeats the same action over and over again and expects a different outcome.

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I don't support maintaining the status quo. I want Biden and his disastrous policies gone.

The irony is it's you who will vote in a way to maintain the status quo. It's you who will vote in a way to get Biden re-elected.

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The point is that the GOP is part of the status quo. We're not on this path just because of one party.

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Give me a viable alternative and I'm on board.

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No one's going to give it to us. We have to create it.

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I will be voting for DeSantis in the primary. I'm not sure what else I can do. There hasn't been a viable third-party candidate since the turn of the century.

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If a lot more people on both sides refused to vote for "PoS" we would get better candidates.

If people on both sides continue to hold their nose and vote for "PoS" .... well here we are..

HRC was probably the only candidate in history weak enough to lose to Trump and Trump is the only candidate in history bad enough to lose to Biden. It scares me to think of the next Dem candidate beating Trump. And they will.

Instead of toeing the party line and voting for the status quo, demand better.

FLBear5630 said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Mothra said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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You really hate democracy dont you? You seem unwilling to accept the decisions of the voters.

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Why dont you believe him..

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I dont believe either has our countries best interest as a goal. Both are party shills along with those who vote for them

---

So if one's a conservative, vote for someone who doesn't have a chance in hell of winning so the greater of the evils gets elected.

Make sense only in the land of make believe you live in.

---

I hear the same posters over and over claim America is rolling downhill like a snowball heading to hell. Yet you demand maintaining the status quo. Theres a quote somewhere about a person that repeats the same action over and over again and expects a different outcome.

---

I don't support maintaining the status quo. I want Biden and his disastrous policies gone.

The irony is it's you who will vote in a way to maintain the status quo. It's you who will vote in a way to get Biden re-elected.

---

The point is that the GOP is part of the status quo. We're not on this path just because of one party.

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Give me a viable alternative and I'm on board.

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No one's going to give it to us. We have to create it.

---

I will be voting for DeSantis in the primary. I'm not sure what else I can do. There hasn't been a viable third-party candidate since the turn of the century.

---

I will be votin for DeSantis. Just praying he gets off this anti-woke kick. He is forgetting what made him his name - keeping Florida running during the Pandemic supporting business and freedom.

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The line in the sand against Woke bull**** is one of the reasons the wife and I sent him $500. **** Woke!!!

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Mothra said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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You really hate democracy dont you? You seem unwilling to accept the decisions of the voters.

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Why dont you believe him..

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I dont believe either has our countries best interest as a goal. Both are party shills along with those who vote for them

---

So if one's a conservative, vote for someone who doesn't have a chance in hell of winning so the greater of the evils gets elected.

Make sense only in the land of make believe you live in.

---

I hear the same posters over and over claim America is rolling downhill like a snowball heading to hell. Yet you demand maintaining the status quo. Theres a quote somewhere about a person that repeats the same action over and over again and expects a different outcome.

---

I don't support maintaining the status quo. I want Biden and his disastrous policies gone.

The irony is it's you who will vote in a way to maintain the status quo. It's you who will vote in a way to get Biden re-elected.

---

The point is that the GOP is part of the status quo. We're not on this path just because of one party.

---

Give me a viable alternative and I'm on board.

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No one's going to give it to us. We have to create it.

---

I will be voting for DeSantis in the primary. I'm not sure what else I can do. There hasn't been a viable third-party candidate since the turn of the century.

---

If a lot more people on both sides refused to vote for "PoS" we would get better candidates.

If people on both sides continue to hold their nose and vote for "PoS" .... well here we are..

HRC was probably the only candidate in history weak enough to lose to Trump and Trump is the only candidate in history bad enough to lose to Biden. It scares me to think of the next Dem candidate beating Trump. And they will.

Instead of toeing the party line and voting for the status quo, demand better.

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What's your issue with DeSantis?

If I could snap my fingers and form the first successful third party in more than 100 years, I'd do it. But the bottom line is that position simply isn't realistic. It's make believe.

So if you are an actual conservative - meaning conservative policies actually mean something to you - you vote for the best conservative candidate in the primaries, and hope and pray he wins. But if he or she doesn't win, I suppose you can either piss your vote away by voting for a candidate who doesn't have a chance in hell of winning, in which case you get an incompetent and dangerous POS like Biden, or you can be pragmatic and vote for the candidate who will do the least amount of damage and most identities with the polices you find important.

Look, I understand you just don't give a **** anymore and are mailing it in. But some of us feel pretty strongly regarding the world our kids will inherit. Conservative policies matter to some of us. So I understand your inability to be pragmatic.

How many pages will be spent trying to rationally explain the world those those who do not acknowledge reason or science or basic reality (i.e. democrats)?

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Mothra said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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You really hate democracy dont you? You seem unwilling to accept the decisions of the voters.

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Why dont you believe him..

---

I dont believe either has our countries best interest as a goal. Both are party shills along with those who vote for them

---

So if one's a conservative, vote for someone who doesn't have a chance in hell of winning so the greater of the evils gets elected.

Make sense only in the land of make believe you live in.

---

I hear the same posters over and over claim America is rolling downhill like a snowball heading to hell. Yet you demand maintaining the status quo. Theres a quote somewhere about a person that repeats the same action over and over again and expects a different outcome.

---

I don't support maintaining the status quo. I want Biden and his disastrous policies gone.

The irony is it's you who will vote in a way to maintain the status quo. It's you who will vote in a way to get Biden re-elected.

---

The point is that the GOP is part of the status quo. We're not on this path just because of one party.

---

Give me a viable alternative and I'm on board.

---

No one's going to give it to us. We have to create it.

---

I will be voting for DeSantis in the primary. I'm not sure what else I can do. There hasn't been a viable third-party candidate since the turn of the century.

---

I will be votin for DeSantis. Just praying he gets off this anti-woke kick. He is forgetting what made him his name - keeping Florida running during the Pandemic supporting business and freedom.

---

The line in the sand against Woke bull**** is one of the reasons the wife and I sent him $500. **** Woke!!!

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You do realize the point is to win a General Election, right,?

Be anti-woke, have anti-woke policies, but don't make it the central theme you are running on when 50% of the population doesn't think it is a top issue. Talk about how his policies are going to help people move forward, not beat up who you disagree with.

He is going too far, he doesn't need to convince you! He needs to convince the Independents and Moderates he can govern and take the Country forward being right of Trump is not a winning strategy. All he is doing is alienating both sides.

Or if he wants to just make a point and lose, keep it up.

FLBear5630 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Mothra said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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You really hate democracy dont you? You seem unwilling to accept the decisions of the voters.

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Why dont you believe him..

---

I dont believe either has our countries best interest as a goal. Both are party shills along with those who vote for them

---

So if one's a conservative, vote for someone who doesn't have a chance in hell of winning so the greater of the evils gets elected.

Make sense only in the land of make believe you live in.

---

I hear the same posters over and over claim America is rolling downhill like a snowball heading to hell. Yet you demand maintaining the status quo. Theres a quote somewhere about a person that repeats the same action over and over again and expects a different outcome.

---

I don't support maintaining the status quo. I want Biden and his disastrous policies gone.

The irony is it's you who will vote in a way to maintain the status quo. It's you who will vote in a way to get Biden re-elected.

---

The point is that the GOP is part of the status quo. We're not on this path just because of one party.

---

Give me a viable alternative and I'm on board.

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No one's going to give it to us. We have to create it.

---

I will be voting for DeSantis in the primary. I'm not sure what else I can do. There hasn't been a viable third-party candidate since the turn of the century.

---

I will be votin for DeSantis. Just praying he gets off this anti-woke kick. He is forgetting what made him his name - keeping Florida running during the Pandemic supporting business and freedom.

---

The line in the sand against Woke bull**** is one of the reasons the wife and I sent him $500. **** Woke!!!

---

You do realize the point is to win a General Election, right,?

Be anti-woke, have anti-woke policies, but don't make it the central theme you are running on when 50% of the population doesn't think it is a top issue. Talk about how his policies are going to help people move forward, not beat up who you disagree with.

He is going too far, he doesn't need to convince you! He needs to convince the Independents and Moderates he can govern and take the Country forward being right of Trump is not a winning strategy. All he is doing is alienating both sides.

Or if he wants to just make a point and lose, keep it up.

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He is standing up for what is right. DeSantis will crush Woke! Trump will crush woke. The Progressive Left is a disease that needs to be destroyed. Any candidate that even attempts to appease the Loony Tune Left will NOT be getting my vote. PERIOD.

It all starts with the cleaning out of our military, FBI, and DOJ. Tapdancing ain't gonna cut it. It is too late for that. Too much damage has been one. Time to replace and repair.

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Mothra said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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You really hate democracy dont you? You seem unwilling to accept the decisions of the voters.

---

Why dont you believe him..

---

I dont believe either has our countries best interest as a goal. Both are party shills along with those who vote for them

---

So if one's a conservative, vote for someone who doesn't have a chance in hell of winning so the greater of the evils gets elected.

Make sense only in the land of make believe you live in.

---

I hear the same posters over and over claim America is rolling downhill like a snowball heading to hell. Yet you demand maintaining the status quo. Theres a quote somewhere about a person that repeats the same action over and over again and expects a different outcome.

---

I don't support maintaining the status quo. I want Biden and his disastrous policies gone.

The irony is it's you who will vote in a way to maintain the status quo. It's you who will vote in a way to get Biden re-elected.

---

The point is that the GOP is part of the status quo. We're not on this path just because of one party.

---

Give me a viable alternative and I'm on board.

---

No one's going to give it to us. We have to create it.

---

I will be voting for DeSantis in the primary. I'm not sure what else I can do. There hasn't been a viable third-party candidate since the turn of the century.

---

I will be votin for DeSantis. Just praying he gets off this anti-woke kick. He is forgetting what made him his name - keeping Florida running during the Pandemic supporting business and freedom.

---

The line in the sand against Woke bull**** is one of the reasons the wife and I sent him $500. **** Woke!!!

---

You do realize the point is to win a General Election, right,?

Be anti-woke, have anti-woke policies, but don't make it the central theme you are running on when 50% of the population doesn't think it is a top issue. Talk about how his policies are going to help people move forward, not beat up who you disagree with.

He is going too far, he doesn't need to convince you! He needs to convince the Independents and Moderates he can govern and take the Country forward being right of Trump is not a winning strategy. All he is doing is alienating both sides.

Or if he wants to just make a point and lose, keep it up.

---

He is standing up for what is right. DeSantis will crush Woke! Trump will crush woke. The Progressive Left is a disease that needs to be destroyed. Any candidate that even attempts to appease the Loony Tune Left will NOT be getting my vote. PERIOD.

It all starts with the cleaning out of our military, FBI, and DOJ. Tapdancing ain't gonna cut it. It is too late for that. Too much damage has been one. Time to replace and repair.

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You have to win to crush anything. Being anti-woke is fine, all for it. Being anti-woke to the exclusion of everything else? It may be your top priority, but there are more people out there that it is not a top 5 item. They will look to Christie, Haley and even Trump. Right now, DeSantis is all woke, all the time.

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Mothra said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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You really hate democracy dont you? You seem unwilling to accept the decisions of the voters.

---

Why dont you believe him..

---

I dont believe either has our countries best interest as a goal. Both are party shills along with those who vote for them

---

So if one's a conservative, vote for someone who doesn't have a chance in hell of winning so the greater of the evils gets elected.

Make sense only in the land of make believe you live in.

---

I hear the same posters over and over claim America is rolling downhill like a snowball heading to hell. Yet you demand maintaining the status quo. Theres a quote somewhere about a person that repeats the same action over and over again and expects a different outcome.

---

I don't support maintaining the status quo. I want Biden and his disastrous policies gone.

The irony is it's you who will vote in a way to maintain the status quo. It's you who will vote in a way to get Biden re-elected.

---

The point is that the GOP is part of the status quo. We're not on this path just because of one party.

---

Give me a viable alternative and I'm on board.

---

No one's going to give it to us. We have to create it.

---

I will be voting for DeSantis in the primary. I'm not sure what else I can do. There hasn't been a viable third-party candidate since the turn of the century.

---

If a lot more people on both sides refused to vote for "PoS" we would get better candidates.

If people on both sides continue to hold their nose and vote for "PoS" .... well here we are..

HRC was probably the only candidate in history weak enough to lose to Trump and Trump is the only candidate in history bad enough to lose to Biden. It scares me to think of the next Dem candidate beating Trump. And they will.

Instead of toeing the party line and voting for the status quo, demand better.

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Exactly which Libertarian candidate is 'better' than DeSantis and could beat ANY Democrat nominee in 2024 ?

Or are you merely dishing out your same vague platitudes again ?

KaiBear said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Mothra said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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You really hate democracy dont you? You seem unwilling to accept the decisions of the voters.

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Why dont you believe him..

---

I dont believe either has our countries best interest as a goal. Both are party shills along with those who vote for them

---

So if one's a conservative, vote for someone who doesn't have a chance in hell of winning so the greater of the evils gets elected.

Make sense only in the land of make believe you live in.

---

I hear the same posters over and over claim America is rolling downhill like a snowball heading to hell. Yet you demand maintaining the status quo. Theres a quote somewhere about a person that repeats the same action over and over again and expects a different outcome.

---

I don't support maintaining the status quo. I want Biden and his disastrous policies gone.

The irony is it's you who will vote in a way to maintain the status quo. It's you who will vote in a way to get Biden re-elected.

---

The point is that the GOP is part of the status quo. We're not on this path just because of one party.

---

Give me a viable alternative and I'm on board.

---

No one's going to give it to us. We have to create it.

---

I will be voting for DeSantis in the primary. I'm not sure what else I can do. There hasn't been a viable third-party candidate since the turn of the century.

---

If a lot more people on both sides refused to vote for "PoS" we would get better candidates.

If people on both sides continue to hold their nose and vote for "PoS" .... well here we are..

HRC was probably the only candidate in history weak enough to lose to Trump and Trump is the only candidate in history bad enough to lose to Biden. It scares me to think of the next Dem candidate beating Trump. And they will.

Instead of toeing the party line and voting for the status quo, demand better.

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Exactly which Libertarian candidate is 'better' than DeSantis and could beat ANY Democrat nominee in 2024 ?

Or are you merely dishing out your same vague platitudes again ?

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Thoughts/Prayers 2024

FLBear5630 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Mothra said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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You really hate democracy dont you? You seem unwilling to accept the decisions of the voters.

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Why dont you believe him..

---

I dont believe either has our countries best interest as a goal. Both are party shills along with those who vote for them

---

So if one's a conservative, vote for someone who doesn't have a chance in hell of winning so the greater of the evils gets elected.

Make sense only in the land of make believe you live in.

---

I hear the same posters over and over claim America is rolling downhill like a snowball heading to hell. Yet you demand maintaining the status quo. Theres a quote somewhere about a person that repeats the same action over and over again and expects a different outcome.

---

I don't support maintaining the status quo. I want Biden and his disastrous policies gone.

The irony is it's you who will vote in a way to maintain the status quo. It's you who will vote in a way to get Biden re-elected.

---

The point is that the GOP is part of the status quo. We're not on this path just because of one party.

---

Give me a viable alternative and I'm on board.

---

No one's going to give it to us. We have to create it.

---

I will be voting for DeSantis in the primary. I'm not sure what else I can do. There hasn't been a viable third-party candidate since the turn of the century.

---

I will be votin for DeSantis. Just praying he gets off this anti-woke kick. He is forgetting what made him his name - keeping Florida running during the Pandemic supporting business and freedom.

---

The line in the sand against Woke bull**** is one of the reasons the wife and I sent him $500. **** Woke!!!

---

You do realize the point is to win a General Election, right,?

Be anti-woke, have anti-woke policies, but don't make it the central theme you are running on when 50% of the population doesn't think it is a top issue. Talk about how his policies are going to help people move forward, not beat up who you disagree with.

He is going too far, he doesn't need to convince you! He needs to convince the Independents and Moderates he can govern and take the Country forward being right of Trump is not a winning strategy. All he is doing is alienating both sides.

Or if he wants to just make a point and lose, keep it up.

---

He is standing up for what is right. DeSantis will crush Woke! Trump will crush woke. The Progressive Left is a disease that needs to be destroyed. Any candidate that even attempts to appease the Loony Tune Left will NOT be getting my vote. PERIOD.

It all starts with the cleaning out of our military, FBI, and DOJ. Tapdancing ain't gonna cut it. It is too late for that. Too much damage has been one. Time to replace and repair.

---

You have to win to crush anything. Being anti-woke is fine, all for it. Being anti-woke to the exclusion of everything else? It may be your top priority, but there are more people out there that it is not a top 5 item. They will look to Christie, Haley and even Trump. Right now, DeSantis is all woke, all the time.

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Loony Lefties sexualizing small children is pretty high on my list, although my kids are grown. I worry about my grandchildren.

Putting bread on the table, wide open borders, and human and drug trafficking are on top of my list. Although crime is not much of an issue where I live, I worry about my fellow Americans that are being killed and injured due to lax Liberal laws and policies. Greater and longer punishment and more prisons will solve a lot of this.

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Mothra said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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You really hate democracy dont you? You seem unwilling to accept the decisions of the voters.

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Why dont you believe him..

---

I dont believe either has our countries best interest as a goal. Both are party shills along with those who vote for them

---

So if one's a conservative, vote for someone who doesn't have a chance in hell of winning so the greater of the evils gets elected.

Make sense only in the land of make believe you live in.

---

I hear the same posters over and over claim America is rolling downhill like a snowball heading to hell. Yet you demand maintaining the status quo. Theres a quote somewhere about a person that repeats the same action over and over again and expects a different outcome.

---

I don't support maintaining the status quo. I want Biden and his disastrous policies gone.

The irony is it's you who will vote in a way to maintain the status quo. It's you who will vote in a way to get Biden re-elected.

---

The point is that the GOP is part of the status quo. We're not on this path just because of one party.

---

Give me a viable alternative and I'm on board.

---

No one's going to give it to us. We have to create it.

---

I will be voting for DeSantis in the primary. I'm not sure what else I can do. There hasn't been a viable third-party candidate since the turn of the century.

---

I will be votin for DeSantis. Just praying he gets off this anti-woke kick. He is forgetting what made him his name - keeping Florida running during the Pandemic supporting business and freedom.

---

The line in the sand against Woke bull**** is one of the reasons the wife and I sent him $500. **** Woke!!!

---

You do realize the point is to win a General Election, right,?

Be anti-woke, have anti-woke policies, but don't make it the central theme you are running on when 50% of the population doesn't think it is a top issue. Talk about how his policies are going to help people move forward, not beat up who you disagree with.

He is going too far, he doesn't need to convince you! He needs to convince the Independents and Moderates he can govern and take the Country forward being right of Trump is not a winning strategy. All he is doing is alienating both sides.

Or if he wants to just make a point and lose, keep it up.

---

He is standing up for what is right. DeSantis will crush Woke! Trump will crush woke. The Progressive Left is a disease that needs to be destroyed. Any candidate that even attempts to appease the Loony Tune Left will NOT be getting my vote. PERIOD.

It all starts with the cleaning out of our military, FBI, and DOJ. Tapdancing ain't gonna cut it. It is too late for that. Too much damage has been one. Time to replace and repair.

---

You have to win to crush anything. Being anti-woke is fine, all for it. Being anti-woke to the exclusion of everything else? It may be your top priority, but there are more people out there that it is not a top 5 item. They will look to Christie, Haley and even Trump. Right now, DeSantis is all woke, all the time.

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Loony Lefties sexualizing small children is pretty high on my list, although my kids are grown. I worry about my grandchildren.

Putting bread on the table, wide open borders, and human and drug trafficking are on top of my list. Although crime is not much of an issue where I live, I worry about my fellow Americans that are being killed and injured due to lax Liberal laws and policies. Greater and longer punishment and more prisons will solve a lot of this.

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Agree with all of it. He needs to be more balanced in his campaigning.

FLBear5630 said:

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Mothra said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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My hero, Barry Goldwater, predicted where we are today nearly five decades ago.

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"Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them."

Barry Goldwater

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Barry Goldwater would be a RINO under today's definitions. Look at his stances accordin to his Grand Daughter in this article.

Barry Goldwater and Today's GOP (newsweek.com)

I have been saying this all along, the positions of the GOP Conservative side is not the Conservativism of Reagan, Goldwater, Eisenhower and Bush. All of thier positions and actions would be defined as RINOs.

Hell, Trumps actually policies would qualify as RINO.

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So the GOP has gone too far right, but all of the candidates it elected are RINOs. Interesting.

I agree with you on Goldwater. He was not a Christian or a conservative. When it comes to social issues, he could've cared less. Reagan, on the other hand, his policies were both fiscally and socially conservative. Was he as far right as DeSantis? Probably not, but to suggest he was a RINO truly is revisionist history.

I'm still waiting for you to name a republican candidate, who ran is a moderate in one a general election.

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The controlling faction of the GOP is too far right. And the Conservative Leaders from the past if around today would not be able to meet their criteria for "non-RINO". Let's look at Reagan.

1 Voted for FDR 4 times and was fan of New Deal
2 Firm supporter of NATO and our involvement
3 Defense Spending - SDI, need I say more?
4 Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 - Amnesty, he actually did it.
5 Gun Control - Reagan was for gun control
6 Gay Rights - He was for gay rights
7 Raised taxes 3 times and expanded Earned Income Tax Credit
8 Saved SS
9 Expanded the Federal Govt and its power
10 Invaded Grenada
11 Gave weapons to Iraq and Afghanistan

So, if a RINO is someone that talks conservative, as defined by whoever is judging, and does not follow through doesn't Reagan fit?

Of course, I like Reagan's Conservatism, it was a mix of free market, freedom and realism to govern.

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1) Trump was a registered Democrat for years before his 2016 run.
2) I think you confuse NATO support with asking NATO to pay more for their defense. When one country is providing 95% of the funding for NATO, it is anti-NATO to ask the other countries to pay more?
3) Spending money on defense is now anti-conservative? Stop the press!
4) The Immigration Reform and Control Act was an act that shared large bi-partisan support. Unfortunately, its authors did not foresee some of the complications of the act, which is why in later years Reagan came out and said if he knew now what he knew then, he wouldn't have signed it.
5) To the contrary, Reagan ran on his staunch support for the 2nd Amendment. Now, after he left office, he did support the Brady Bill, which called for background checks and was named after the dude who saved his life.
6) What gay rights did he support? Was he more pro-gay than Trump? Nope.
7) So, a little bit of revisionist history here. Reagan actually cut taxes when he came into office in 1981. Congress undid that by raising taxes in the following years. While Reagan signed those bills, he came out later and said he regretted having done so. But again, we were living in different times. At that time, taxes were 70% on the most wealthy.
8) Um.... https://www.politico.com/news/2023/03/01/trump-gop-medicare-social-security-00084845
9) If you recall, Reagan had 8 years of Democrat rule in Congress. Hard to pin that all on him.
10) While true, he also ran on a policy of pulling troops out of other countries, and walking softly while carrying a big stick. See the Lebanon withdrawal. Reagan was a just war advocate.
11) Do you think our supply of weapons to other countries stopped under Trump?

Again, it's hard to compare Reagan to Trump because the times have changed, but the idea that he was some RINO is revisionist history at best.