Mothra said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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TWD 1974 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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TWD 1974 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Anyone like living in a Banana Republic?

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You go ahead and tell us all about it.

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It is when we use political prosecutions to undermine democracy and interfere in elections.

I will take your silence as you cannot name anything Trump has done in the indictments not done by myriad Democrats? Facts continue to be the Kryptonite of Klanocrats.

---

Conspiracy to defraud the United States,
Hillary Clinton

Obstruct an Official proceeding of the United States
Al Gore Jr.

violation of the RICO act in Georgia
Stacy Abrams

... no, I can't think of any Democrat that rises to the level of criminal activity of Trump. To be fair, I can't think of a Republican either. Nixon was just a pretender compared to T

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Try again?

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Jumping in here. Can't find that post.


Why didn't the GOP investigate and charge all three of them? Under Bush 2 they had amble opportunity for Gore.

Trump had 2 years of both House and Senate, yet nothing...

We can't keep *****ing about this when the GOP when in power does nothing. Either they didn't find enough evidence to support a trial or they didn't have the political will. In either case we sound like idiots saying there is a double standard when the GOP does nothing when they have the opportunity. Like it or not, Trump is part of that equation. In the election he said lock her up and did NOTHING... All talk.

---

Let me start with a basic lesson about the different political parties.

The GOP is generally what one would call "conservative." A "conservative" generally is a person or institution that prefers "to conserve." So as not to confuse you, I'll avoid the complexities and just get to the point that conservatives (that means the GOP for you mouthbreathers) prefer the status quo. The status quo means generally "the current state." So conservatives like to do things they way they have always been done.

Thus, even thought Clinton, Biden, Abrams, etc., committed felonies, conservatives generally default to the status quo, which is it did not use partisan political prosecutions to undermine democracy and interfere in elections. To conservatives, the principle is more important than power. Regressives don't have principles only a unquenchable lust for total authoritarian control. That's why they don't mind filing banana republic charges and upending the status quo to preserve authoritarian control.

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So the status quo is good, even if felonies were committed. You really are a clown. Any more ways to call negligence and dereliction if duty (means they didn't do their job) noble? You actually write this as if it is a good thing.

You are full of ****, if the GOP had anything they could prosecute they would. They didn't think twice over impeaching Clinton over extramarital affair. If they could they would. But you keep playing their incompetence off as some sort of noble act of maintaining the stays quo. What a joke...

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My thinking is it comes down to political optics.

The Clinton impeachment had a lot of blowback. He finished more popular than he was in '92 or '96, but what really hurt the GOP was that independents started to like Gore more than they had before.

The apparent lesson was that you don't go after someone unless you first make sure it sells with the public.

So Bush Jr didn't go after Gore, because he wanted the kinder, gentler look for the GOP that his dad had tried to sell. And Trump's advisors told him that Hillary was done after losing in 2016, there was nothing to gain by going after her, since her career was over anyway, while prosecuting her could hurt Trump's image with women, which had always been a sore spot.

But even before he was elected, Trump was targeted for every kind of attack by Democrats. They don't care whether he did or didn't do what they claim, they only cared about going after him with literally everything they could imagine. the Democrats also knew they could rely on career politicians in the GOP to support them in that vendetta.

Both impeachments were absurdly false on the facts, and 90% of the legal indictments are garbage, with the remaining 10% largely arguable.

The two things I am sure of in this matter, is that a lot of bad decisions were made, and this is going to get really, really ugly by next summer.

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Fair points. I agree with Bush and Gore.

I do disagree about the criminal charges on Trump, they may be petty but they got him on the law and they know it. He will be convicted on the facts, most of which he brought up on himself. Dems would not indict unless they knew they had him dead to rights.

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Petty is ok?
It's ok for Hunter to walk but Dems to contrive petty charges against their political opponents? (and petty is an understatement. Words like novel, unprecedented, unprofessional, contrived, illegal....would be more appropriate.

You are hardly alone in cheering on the double standard. And I suspect you will never admit it until it bites you or yours.

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I got a speeding ticket for 3 miles over speed limit once. Took it to judge, lost. I was still over speed limit. Every cop, lawyer said same thing, you were still over speed limit. Petty, yes. But I still broke the law and I lost.

Does that make better sense about where I am coming. He still broke the law, petty or not. He will lose. Breaking the law a little is not a winning defense.

You keep throwing others in. Hunter is irrelevant to whether or not Trump broke law. Sure indict Hunter, does not affect Trumps case.

I am not cheering along double standard. I don't see how whether or not Hunter is indicted shows Trump didn't do what accused. I believe Trump was disgusting after loss and caused more real damage to US than anyone. I watched it unfold. Now, if found innocent I will re- consider.

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So he's guilty in your mind already, but if he's found innocent you will reconsider your premature guilty verdict? LOL.

One can recognize the double standard and damage to the Republic that political prosecutions cause while at the same time acknowledging that Trump is in some real danger on the documents charges and RICO charges. But the others are complete and utter horse *****

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He is indicted and going to trial! Of course, I am interested in if he is found guilty.

Do I believe he tried to find a way to overthrow the election to keep power. Based on his personality, track record and actions after the 2020 election (many on TV and tweets)- Yes. I think he found something he likes more than money, power. If I am wrong, I will reconsider. I see NOTHING in his life history, Presidential actions, and post-2020 election actions to show any indication otherwise.

FLBear5630 said:

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Mothra said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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TWD 1974 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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TWD 1974 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Anyone like living in a Banana Republic?

---

You go ahead and tell us all about it.

---

It is when we use political prosecutions to undermine democracy and interfere in elections.

I will take your silence as you cannot name anything Trump has done in the indictments not done by myriad Democrats? Facts continue to be the Kryptonite of Klanocrats.

---

Conspiracy to defraud the United States,
Hillary Clinton

Obstruct an Official proceeding of the United States
Al Gore Jr.

violation of the RICO act in Georgia
Stacy Abrams

... no, I can't think of any Democrat that rises to the level of criminal activity of Trump. To be fair, I can't think of a Republican either. Nixon was just a pretender compared to T

---

Try again?

---

Jumping in here. Can't find that post.


Why didn't the GOP investigate and charge all three of them? Under Bush 2 they had amble opportunity for Gore.

Trump had 2 years of both House and Senate, yet nothing...

We can't keep *****ing about this when the GOP when in power does nothing. Either they didn't find enough evidence to support a trial or they didn't have the political will. In either case we sound like idiots saying there is a double standard when the GOP does nothing when they have the opportunity. Like it or not, Trump is part of that equation. In the election he said lock her up and did NOTHING... All talk.

---

Let me start with a basic lesson about the different political parties.

The GOP is generally what one would call "conservative." A "conservative" generally is a person or institution that prefers "to conserve." So as not to confuse you, I'll avoid the complexities and just get to the point that conservatives (that means the GOP for you mouthbreathers) prefer the status quo. The status quo means generally "the current state." So conservatives like to do things they way they have always been done.

Thus, even thought Clinton, Biden, Abrams, etc., committed felonies, conservatives generally default to the status quo, which is it did not use partisan political prosecutions to undermine democracy and interfere in elections. To conservatives, the principle is more important than power. Regressives don't have principles only a unquenchable lust for total authoritarian control. That's why they don't mind filing banana republic charges and upending the status quo to preserve authoritarian control.

---

So the status quo is good, even if felonies were committed. You really are a clown. Any more ways to call negligence and dereliction if duty (means they didn't do their job) noble? You actually write this as if it is a good thing.

You are full of ****, if the GOP had anything they could prosecute they would. They didn't think twice over impeaching Clinton over extramarital affair. If they could they would. But you keep playing their incompetence off as some sort of noble act of maintaining the stays quo. What a joke...

---

My thinking is it comes down to political optics.

The Clinton impeachment had a lot of blowback. He finished more popular than he was in '92 or '96, but what really hurt the GOP was that independents started to like Gore more than they had before.

The apparent lesson was that you don't go after someone unless you first make sure it sells with the public.

So Bush Jr didn't go after Gore, because he wanted the kinder, gentler look for the GOP that his dad had tried to sell. And Trump's advisors told him that Hillary was done after losing in 2016, there was nothing to gain by going after her, since her career was over anyway, while prosecuting her could hurt Trump's image with women, which had always been a sore spot.

But even before he was elected, Trump was targeted for every kind of attack by Democrats. They don't care whether he did or didn't do what they claim, they only cared about going after him with literally everything they could imagine. the Democrats also knew they could rely on career politicians in the GOP to support them in that vendetta.

Both impeachments were absurdly false on the facts, and 90% of the legal indictments are garbage, with the remaining 10% largely arguable.

The two things I am sure of in this matter, is that a lot of bad decisions were made, and this is going to get really, really ugly by next summer.

---

Fair points. I agree with Bush and Gore.

I do disagree about the criminal charges on Trump, they may be petty but they got him on the law and they know it. He will be convicted on the facts, most of which he brought up on himself. Dems would not indict unless they knew they had him dead to rights.

---

Petty is ok?
It's ok for Hunter to walk but Dems to contrive petty charges against their political opponents? (and petty is an understatement. Words like novel, unprecedented, unprofessional, contrived, illegal....would be more appropriate.

You are hardly alone in cheering on the double standard. And I suspect you will never admit it until it bites you or yours.

---

I got a speeding ticket for 3 miles over speed limit once. Took it to judge, lost. I was still over speed limit. Every cop, lawyer said same thing, you were still over speed limit. Petty, yes. But I still broke the law and I lost.

Does that make better sense about where I am coming. He still broke the law, petty or not. He will lose. Breaking the law a little is not a winning defense.

You keep throwing others in. Hunter is irrelevant to whether or not Trump broke law. Sure indict Hunter, does not affect Trumps case.

I am not cheering along double standard. I don't see how whether or not Hunter is indicted shows Trump didn't do what accused. I believe Trump was disgusting after loss and caused more real damage to US than anyone. I watched it unfold. Now, if found innocent I will re- consider.

---

So he's guilty in your mind already, but if he's found innocent you will reconsider your premature guilty verdict? LOL.

One can recognize the double standard and damage to the Republic that political prosecutions cause while at the same time acknowledging that Trump is in some real danger on the documents charges and RICO charges. But the others are complete and utter horse *****

---

He is indicted and going to trial! Of course, I am interested in if he is found guilty.

Do I believe he tried to find a way to overthrow the election to keep power. Based on his personality, track record and actions after the 2020 election (many on TV and tweets)- Yes. I think he found something he likes more than money, power. If I am wrong, I will reconsider. I see NOTHING in his life history, Presidential actions, and post-2020 election actions to show any indication otherwise.

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It's not illegal to challenge election results. Nor is it illegal to say how many votes you need to do so.

It's not hurting him, apparently.

🚨 NATIONAL POLL: Emerson (A-)

PRES:
(R) Trump 46% (+2)
(D) Biden 44%
.
(R) Trump 44% (+5)
(D) Biden 39%
(G) West 4%
——
GOP PRES:
Trump 50% (+38)
DeSantis 12%
Ramaswamy 9%
Pence 7%
Haley 7%
Christie 5%
Scott 2%
——
8/25-26 | 1,000 RV | D37/R36/I27https://t.co/8BAdtIu6ap pic.twitter.com/Z9dwhEgrRM

— InteractivePolls (@IAPolls2022) August 28, 2023

FLBear5630 said:

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Mothra said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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TWD 1974 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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TWD 1974 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Anyone like living in a Banana Republic?

---

You go ahead and tell us all about it.

---

It is when we use political prosecutions to undermine democracy and interfere in elections.

I will take your silence as you cannot name anything Trump has done in the indictments not done by myriad Democrats? Facts continue to be the Kryptonite of Klanocrats.

---

Conspiracy to defraud the United States,
Hillary Clinton

Obstruct an Official proceeding of the United States
Al Gore Jr.

violation of the RICO act in Georgia
Stacy Abrams

... no, I can't think of any Democrat that rises to the level of criminal activity of Trump. To be fair, I can't think of a Republican either. Nixon was just a pretender compared to T

---

Try again?

---

Jumping in here. Can't find that post.


Why didn't the GOP investigate and charge all three of them? Under Bush 2 they had amble opportunity for Gore.

Trump had 2 years of both House and Senate, yet nothing...

We can't keep *****ing about this when the GOP when in power does nothing. Either they didn't find enough evidence to support a trial or they didn't have the political will. In either case we sound like idiots saying there is a double standard when the GOP does nothing when they have the opportunity. Like it or not, Trump is part of that equation. In the election he said lock her up and did NOTHING... All talk.

---

Let me start with a basic lesson about the different political parties.

The GOP is generally what one would call "conservative." A "conservative" generally is a person or institution that prefers "to conserve." So as not to confuse you, I'll avoid the complexities and just get to the point that conservatives (that means the GOP for you mouthbreathers) prefer the status quo. The status quo means generally "the current state." So conservatives like to do things they way they have always been done.

Thus, even thought Clinton, Biden, Abrams, etc., committed felonies, conservatives generally default to the status quo, which is it did not use partisan political prosecutions to undermine democracy and interfere in elections. To conservatives, the principle is more important than power. Regressives don't have principles only a unquenchable lust for total authoritarian control. That's why they don't mind filing banana republic charges and upending the status quo to preserve authoritarian control.

---

So the status quo is good, even if felonies were committed. You really are a clown. Any more ways to call negligence and dereliction if duty (means they didn't do their job) noble? You actually write this as if it is a good thing.

You are full of ****, if the GOP had anything they could prosecute they would. They didn't think twice over impeaching Clinton over extramarital affair. If they could they would. But you keep playing their incompetence off as some sort of noble act of maintaining the stays quo. What a joke...

---

My thinking is it comes down to political optics.

The Clinton impeachment had a lot of blowback. He finished more popular than he was in '92 or '96, but what really hurt the GOP was that independents started to like Gore more than they had before.

The apparent lesson was that you don't go after someone unless you first make sure it sells with the public.

So Bush Jr didn't go after Gore, because he wanted the kinder, gentler look for the GOP that his dad had tried to sell. And Trump's advisors told him that Hillary was done after losing in 2016, there was nothing to gain by going after her, since her career was over anyway, while prosecuting her could hurt Trump's image with women, which had always been a sore spot.

But even before he was elected, Trump was targeted for every kind of attack by Democrats. They don't care whether he did or didn't do what they claim, they only cared about going after him with literally everything they could imagine. the Democrats also knew they could rely on career politicians in the GOP to support them in that vendetta.

Both impeachments were absurdly false on the facts, and 90% of the legal indictments are garbage, with the remaining 10% largely arguable.

The two things I am sure of in this matter, is that a lot of bad decisions were made, and this is going to get really, really ugly by next summer.

---

Fair points. I agree with Bush and Gore.

I do disagree about the criminal charges on Trump, they may be petty but they got him on the law and they know it. He will be convicted on the facts, most of which he brought up on himself. Dems would not indict unless they knew they had him dead to rights.

---

Petty is ok?
It's ok for Hunter to walk but Dems to contrive petty charges against their political opponents? (and petty is an understatement. Words like novel, unprecedented, unprofessional, contrived, illegal....would be more appropriate.

You are hardly alone in cheering on the double standard. And I suspect you will never admit it until it bites you or yours.

---

I got a speeding ticket for 3 miles over speed limit once. Took it to judge, lost. I was still over speed limit. Every cop, lawyer said same thing, you were still over speed limit. Petty, yes. But I still broke the law and I lost.

Does that make better sense about where I am coming. He still broke the law, petty or not. He will lose. Breaking the law a little is not a winning defense.

You keep throwing others in. Hunter is irrelevant to whether or not Trump broke law. Sure indict Hunter, does not affect Trumps case.

I am not cheering along double standard. I don't see how whether or not Hunter is indicted shows Trump didn't do what accused. I believe Trump was disgusting after loss and caused more real damage to US than anyone. I watched it unfold. Now, if found innocent I will re- consider.

---

So he's guilty in your mind already, but if he's found innocent you will reconsider your premature guilty verdict? LOL.

One can recognize the double standard and damage to the Republic that political prosecutions cause while at the same time acknowledging that Trump is in some real danger on the documents charges and RICO charges. But the others are complete and utter horse *****

---

He is indicted and going to trial! Of course, I am interested in if he is found guilty.

Do I believe he tried to find a way to overthrow the election to keep power. Based on his personality, track record and actions after the 2020 election (many on TV and tweets)- Yes. I think he found something he likes more than money, power. If I am wrong, I will reconsider. I see NOTHING in his life history, Presidential actions, and post-2020 election actions to show any indication otherwise.

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You're missing my point. You've already declared him guilty.

whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Mothra said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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TWD 1974 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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TWD 1974 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Anyone like living in a Banana Republic?

---

You go ahead and tell us all about it.

---

It is when we use political prosecutions to undermine democracy and interfere in elections.

I will take your silence as you cannot name anything Trump has done in the indictments not done by myriad Democrats? Facts continue to be the Kryptonite of Klanocrats.

---

Conspiracy to defraud the United States,
Hillary Clinton

Obstruct an Official proceeding of the United States
Al Gore Jr.

violation of the RICO act in Georgia
Stacy Abrams

... no, I can't think of any Democrat that rises to the level of criminal activity of Trump. To be fair, I can't think of a Republican either. Nixon was just a pretender compared to T

---

Try again?

---

Jumping in here. Can't find that post.


Why didn't the GOP investigate and charge all three of them? Under Bush 2 they had amble opportunity for Gore.

Trump had 2 years of both House and Senate, yet nothing...

We can't keep *****ing about this when the GOP when in power does nothing. Either they didn't find enough evidence to support a trial or they didn't have the political will. In either case we sound like idiots saying there is a double standard when the GOP does nothing when they have the opportunity. Like it or not, Trump is part of that equation. In the election he said lock her up and did NOTHING... All talk.

---

Let me start with a basic lesson about the different political parties.

The GOP is generally what one would call "conservative." A "conservative" generally is a person or institution that prefers "to conserve." So as not to confuse you, I'll avoid the complexities and just get to the point that conservatives (that means the GOP for you mouthbreathers) prefer the status quo. The status quo means generally "the current state." So conservatives like to do things they way they have always been done.

Thus, even thought Clinton, Biden, Abrams, etc., committed felonies, conservatives generally default to the status quo, which is it did not use partisan political prosecutions to undermine democracy and interfere in elections. To conservatives, the principle is more important than power. Regressives don't have principles only a unquenchable lust for total authoritarian control. That's why they don't mind filing banana republic charges and upending the status quo to preserve authoritarian control.

---

So the status quo is good, even if felonies were committed. You really are a clown. Any more ways to call negligence and dereliction if duty (means they didn't do their job) noble? You actually write this as if it is a good thing.

You are full of ****, if the GOP had anything they could prosecute they would. They didn't think twice over impeaching Clinton over extramarital affair. If they could they would. But you keep playing their incompetence off as some sort of noble act of maintaining the stays quo. What a joke...

---

My thinking is it comes down to political optics.

The Clinton impeachment had a lot of blowback. He finished more popular than he was in '92 or '96, but what really hurt the GOP was that independents started to like Gore more than they had before.

The apparent lesson was that you don't go after someone unless you first make sure it sells with the public.

So Bush Jr didn't go after Gore, because he wanted the kinder, gentler look for the GOP that his dad had tried to sell. And Trump's advisors told him that Hillary was done after losing in 2016, there was nothing to gain by going after her, since her career was over anyway, while prosecuting her could hurt Trump's image with women, which had always been a sore spot.

But even before he was elected, Trump was targeted for every kind of attack by Democrats. They don't care whether he did or didn't do what they claim, they only cared about going after him with literally everything they could imagine. the Democrats also knew they could rely on career politicians in the GOP to support them in that vendetta.

Both impeachments were absurdly false on the facts, and 90% of the legal indictments are garbage, with the remaining 10% largely arguable.

The two things I am sure of in this matter, is that a lot of bad decisions were made, and this is going to get really, really ugly by next summer.

---

Fair points. I agree with Bush and Gore.

I do disagree about the criminal charges on Trump, they may be petty but they got him on the law and they know it. He will be convicted on the facts, most of which he brought up on himself. Dems would not indict unless they knew they had him dead to rights.

---

Petty is ok?
It's ok for Hunter to walk but Dems to contrive petty charges against their political opponents? (and petty is an understatement. Words like novel, unprecedented, unprofessional, contrived, illegal....would be more appropriate.

You are hardly alone in cheering on the double standard. And I suspect you will never admit it until it bites you or yours.

---

I got a speeding ticket for 3 miles over speed limit once. Took it to judge, lost. I was still over speed limit. Every cop, lawyer said same thing, you were still over speed limit. Petty, yes. But I still broke the law and I lost.

Does that make better sense about where I am coming. He still broke the law, petty or not. He will lose. Breaking the law a little is not a winning defense.

You keep throwing others in. Hunter is irrelevant to whether or not Trump broke law. Sure indict Hunter, does not affect Trumps case.

I am not cheering along double standard. I don't see how whether or not Hunter is indicted shows Trump didn't do what accused. I believe Trump was disgusting after loss and caused more real damage to US than anyone. I watched it unfold. Now, if found innocent I will re- consider.

---

So he's guilty in your mind already, but if he's found innocent you will reconsider your premature guilty verdict? LOL.

One can recognize the double standard and damage to the Republic that political prosecutions cause while at the same time acknowledging that Trump is in some real danger on the documents charges and RICO charges. But the others are complete and utter horse *****

---

He is indicted and going to trial! Of course, I am interested in if he is found guilty.

Do I believe he tried to find a way to overthrow the election to keep power. Based on his personality, track record and actions after the 2020 election (many on TV and tweets)- Yes. I think he found something he likes more than money, power. If I am wrong, I will reconsider. I see NOTHING in his life history, Presidential actions, and post-2020 election actions to show any indication otherwise.

---

It's not illegal to challenge election results. Nor is it illegal to say how many votes you need to do so.

It's not hurting him, apparently.

🚨 NATIONAL POLL: Emerson (A-)

PRES:
(R) Trump 46% (+2)
(D) Biden 44%
.
(R) Trump 44% (+5)
(D) Biden 39%
(G) West 4%
——
GOP PRES:
Trump 50% (+38)
DeSantis 12%
Ramaswamy 9%
Pence 7%
Haley 7%
Christie 5%
Scott 2%
——
8/25-26 | 1,000 RV | D37/R36/I27https://t.co/8BAdtIu6ap pic.twitter.com/Z9dwhEgrRM

— InteractivePolls (@IAPolls2022) August 28, 2023

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Depends on the challenge. In a court of law? No. Calling up election officials and trying to get them to change votes? Might be, under the very squishy RICO statute.

whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Mothra said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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TWD 1974 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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TWD 1974 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Anyone like living in a Banana Republic?

---

You go ahead and tell us all about it.

---

It is when we use political prosecutions to undermine democracy and interfere in elections.

I will take your silence as you cannot name anything Trump has done in the indictments not done by myriad Democrats? Facts continue to be the Kryptonite of Klanocrats.

---

Conspiracy to defraud the United States,
Hillary Clinton

Obstruct an Official proceeding of the United States
Al Gore Jr.

violation of the RICO act in Georgia
Stacy Abrams

... no, I can't think of any Democrat that rises to the level of criminal activity of Trump. To be fair, I can't think of a Republican either. Nixon was just a pretender compared to T

---

Try again?

---

Jumping in here. Can't find that post.


Why didn't the GOP investigate and charge all three of them? Under Bush 2 they had amble opportunity for Gore.

Trump had 2 years of both House and Senate, yet nothing...

We can't keep *****ing about this when the GOP when in power does nothing. Either they didn't find enough evidence to support a trial or they didn't have the political will. In either case we sound like idiots saying there is a double standard when the GOP does nothing when they have the opportunity. Like it or not, Trump is part of that equation. In the election he said lock her up and did NOTHING... All talk.

---

Let me start with a basic lesson about the different political parties.

The GOP is generally what one would call "conservative." A "conservative" generally is a person or institution that prefers "to conserve." So as not to confuse you, I'll avoid the complexities and just get to the point that conservatives (that means the GOP for you mouthbreathers) prefer the status quo. The status quo means generally "the current state." So conservatives like to do things they way they have always been done.

Thus, even thought Clinton, Biden, Abrams, etc., committed felonies, conservatives generally default to the status quo, which is it did not use partisan political prosecutions to undermine democracy and interfere in elections. To conservatives, the principle is more important than power. Regressives don't have principles only a unquenchable lust for total authoritarian control. That's why they don't mind filing banana republic charges and upending the status quo to preserve authoritarian control.

---

So the status quo is good, even if felonies were committed. You really are a clown. Any more ways to call negligence and dereliction if duty (means they didn't do their job) noble? You actually write this as if it is a good thing.

You are full of ****, if the GOP had anything they could prosecute they would. They didn't think twice over impeaching Clinton over extramarital affair. If they could they would. But you keep playing their incompetence off as some sort of noble act of maintaining the stays quo. What a joke...

---

My thinking is it comes down to political optics.

The Clinton impeachment had a lot of blowback. He finished more popular than he was in '92 or '96, but what really hurt the GOP was that independents started to like Gore more than they had before.

The apparent lesson was that you don't go after someone unless you first make sure it sells with the public.

So Bush Jr didn't go after Gore, because he wanted the kinder, gentler look for the GOP that his dad had tried to sell. And Trump's advisors told him that Hillary was done after losing in 2016, there was nothing to gain by going after her, since her career was over anyway, while prosecuting her could hurt Trump's image with women, which had always been a sore spot.

But even before he was elected, Trump was targeted for every kind of attack by Democrats. They don't care whether he did or didn't do what they claim, they only cared about going after him with literally everything they could imagine. the Democrats also knew they could rely on career politicians in the GOP to support them in that vendetta.

Both impeachments were absurdly false on the facts, and 90% of the legal indictments are garbage, with the remaining 10% largely arguable.

The two things I am sure of in this matter, is that a lot of bad decisions were made, and this is going to get really, really ugly by next summer.

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Fair points. I agree with Bush and Gore.

I do disagree about the criminal charges on Trump, they may be petty but they got him on the law and they know it. He will be convicted on the facts, most of which he brought up on himself. Dems would not indict unless they knew they had him dead to rights.

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Petty is ok?
It's ok for Hunter to walk but Dems to contrive petty charges against their political opponents? (and petty is an understatement. Words like novel, unprecedented, unprofessional, contrived, illegal....would be more appropriate.

You are hardly alone in cheering on the double standard. And I suspect you will never admit it until it bites you or yours.

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I got a speeding ticket for 3 miles over speed limit once. Took it to judge, lost. I was still over speed limit. Every cop, lawyer said same thing, you were still over speed limit. Petty, yes. But I still broke the law and I lost.

Does that make better sense about where I am coming. He still broke the law, petty or not. He will lose. Breaking the law a little is not a winning defense.

You keep throwing others in. Hunter is irrelevant to whether or not Trump broke law. Sure indict Hunter, does not affect Trumps case.

I am not cheering along double standard. I don't see how whether or not Hunter is indicted shows Trump didn't do what accused. I believe Trump was disgusting after loss and caused more real damage to US than anyone. I watched it unfold. Now, if found innocent I will re- consider.

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So he's guilty in your mind already, but if he's found innocent you will reconsider your premature guilty verdict? LOL.

One can recognize the double standard and damage to the Republic that political prosecutions cause while at the same time acknowledging that Trump is in some real danger on the documents charges and RICO charges. But the others are complete and utter horse *****

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He is indicted and going to trial! Of course, I am interested in if he is found guilty.

Do I believe he tried to find a way to overthrow the election to keep power. Based on his personality, track record and actions after the 2020 election (many on TV and tweets)- Yes. I think he found something he likes more than money, power. If I am wrong, I will reconsider. I see NOTHING in his life history, Presidential actions, and post-2020 election actions to show any indication otherwise.

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It's not illegal to challenge election results. Nor is it illegal to say how many votes you need to do so.

It's not hurting him, apparently.

🚨 NATIONAL POLL: Emerson (A-)

PRES:
(R) Trump 46% (+2)
(D) Biden 44%
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(R) Trump 44% (+5)
(D) Biden 39%
(G) West 4%
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GOP PRES:
Trump 50% (+38)
DeSantis 12%
Ramaswamy 9%
Pence 7%
Haley 7%
Christie 5%
Scott 2%
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8/25-26 | 1,000 RV | D37/R36/I27https://t.co/8BAdtIu6ap pic.twitter.com/Z9dwhEgrRM

— InteractivePolls (@IAPolls2022) August 28, 2023

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It may not. He may be elected again, god help us...

I do know what I saw on Jan 6th and he was the ringleader of what ended up being one of the most disgusting sets of behavior and acts by a sitting President I have seen as a US citizen. He was and is very adept at getting others to do what he wants and then deflect all blame,

Unlike you and others, to not be a Banana Republic you have to respect the processes and protocols that we have. He was investigated, Grand Jury recommended charges, indicted, arraigned and now he will be tried. The outcome of the trial will determine his guilt or innocence.

He has the presumption of innocence by they Courts. I do not have to presume anything. My opinion is that he is guilty. We will see. If he is found innocent, he is innocent. I will admit I was wrong and go forward. But the process has to be respected.


Talk to those on his Staff and other elected officials that are testifying against him. This is not a Democrat action, it is bi-partisan and his actual staff.

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Trump's mugshot where he looks like a pissed off and angry badass is an iconic historic photo.

It's going viral, and it's making a heck of a statement.

We break down what this means for the campaign on #Verdicthttps://t.co/reYoUFNvza pic.twitter.com/bVEofq5rts

— Ted Cruz (@tedcruz) August 25, 2023

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Geez…another insufferable turd. Cruz tries so hard to be liked even though he has the charisma of a school bus fire. Trump cucked him on national TV calling his wife a dog face and insinuating his dad played a role in the Kennedy assassination, and since, has been one of the most pathetically sniveling boot lickers of Trump just to get some public approval. The guy is pathetic.

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And you may get to see what a REAL insurrection looks like. Popcorn ready.

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That leads to a great question. Are you willing to die for Trump? And let me personally raise the stakes for your ass!

If you go out there and get killed for Trump, that'll be the end of us drinking together. You're on your own.

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Any ( highly unlikely )insurrection wouldn't be to save Donald Trump.

Rather to restore the 1st amendment and the Bill of Rights .

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That's just it, KB. The first A allows me to promise you a bud light with no intention of delivering. It doesn't allow me to promise you a Bud Light with no intention of delivering then steal the Bud Light for myself.

Trump is within his rights to say the election was stolen. He is not allowed to use false pretensions to gain access to the dominion voting machines. It doesn't allow him to submit fake electors or falsely intimidate poll workers.

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I don't care about Trump, though I certainly think a double standard is involved with these prosecutions.

DeSantis is my choice or rather long shot hope.

Gavin is going to become president in 2024.
Elected or otherwise .

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I don't see anyway Gavin becomes president. Ever. (Did you know his ex wife is Kimberly Guilfoyle?)

Personally, I've think Whitmer is a better governor and there are other candidates who rightfully didn't challenge the incumbent President.

Biden ain't stepping down and I don't see death unless it's by foul play.

You still riding with pudding hands or are you rethinking him?

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The man is 80 years old. He could die in his sleep without any help from "foul play."

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Yep.

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And you may get to see what a REAL insurrection looks like. Popcorn ready.

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That leads to a great question. Are you willing to die for Trump? And let me personally raise the stakes for your ass!

If you go out there and get killed for Trump, that'll be the end of us drinking together. You're on your own.

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Any ( highly unlikely )insurrection wouldn't be to save Donald Trump.

Rather to restore the 1st amendment and the Bill of Rights .

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That's just it, KB. The first A allows me to promise you a bud light with no intention of delivering. It doesn't allow me to promise you a Bud Light with no intention of delivering then steal the Bud Light for myself.

Trump is within his rights to say the election was stolen. He is not allowed to use false pretensions to gain access to the dominion voting machines. It doesn't allow him to submit fake electors or falsely intimidate poll workers.

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I don't care about Trump, though I certainly think a double standard is involved with these prosecutions.

DeSantis is my choice or rather long shot hope.

Gavin is going to become president in 2024.
Elected or otherwise .

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I don't see anyway Gavin becomes president. Ever. (Did you know his ex wife is Kimberly Guilfoyle?)

Personally, I've think Whitmer is a better governor and there are other candidates who rightfully didn't challenge the incumbent President.

Biden ain't stepping down and I don't see death unless it's by foul play.

You still riding with pudding hands or are you rethinking him?

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The man is 80 years old. He could die in his sleep without any help from "foul play."

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Shewt, by now it's taking Infernal Intervention to keep Joe alive and kicking ...

Thats a bunch of Bull.
I bet you will vote for Biden regardless.
Trump is not in jail and probably never go to jail
Biden is not just dementia ridden he is a tool of Socialists
In what world is that better than Trump who admittedly has some bad personality traits

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Anyone like living in a Banana Republic?

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You go ahead and tell us all about it.

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It is when we use political prosecutions to undermine democracy and interfere in elections.

I will take your silence as you cannot name anything Trump has done in the indictments not done by myriad Democrats? Facts continue to be the Kryptonite of Klanocrats.

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Conspiracy to defraud the United States,
Hillary Clinton

Obstruct an Official proceeding of the United States
Al Gore Jr.

violation of the RICO act in Georgia
Stacy Abrams

... no, I can't think of any Democrat that rises to the level of criminal activity of Trump. To be fair, I can't think of a Republican either. Nixon was just a pretender compared to T

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Jumping in here. Can't find that post.


Why didn't the GOP investigate and charge all three of them? Under Bush 2 they had amble opportunity for Gore.

Trump had 2 years of both House and Senate, yet nothing...

We can't keep *****ing about this when the GOP when in power does nothing. Either they didn't find enough evidence to support a trial or they didn't have the political will. In either case we sound like idiots saying there is a double standard when the GOP does nothing when they have the opportunity. Like it or not, Trump is part of that equation. In the election he said lock her up and did NOTHING... All talk.

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Let me start with a basic lesson about the different political parties.

The GOP is generally what one would call "conservative." A "conservative" generally is a person or institution that prefers "to conserve." So as not to confuse you, I'll avoid the complexities and just get to the point that conservatives (that means the GOP for you mouthbreathers) prefer the status quo. The status quo means generally "the current state." So conservatives like to do things they way they have always been done.

Thus, even thought Clinton, Biden, Abrams, etc., committed felonies, conservatives generally default to the status quo, which is it did not use partisan political prosecutions to undermine democracy and interfere in elections. To conservatives, the principle is more important than power. Regressives don't have principles only a unquenchable lust for total authoritarian control. That's why they don't mind filing banana republic charges and upending the status quo to preserve authoritarian control.

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So the status quo is good, even if felonies were committed. You really are a clown. Any more ways to call negligence and dereliction if duty (means they didn't do their job) noble? You actually write this as if it is a good thing.

You are full of ****, if the GOP had anything they could prosecute they would. They didn't think twice over impeaching Clinton over extramarital affair. If they could they would. But you keep playing their incompetence off as some sort of noble act of maintaining the stays quo. What a joke...

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My thinking is it comes down to political optics.

The Clinton impeachment had a lot of blowback. He finished more popular than he was in '92 or '96, but what really hurt the GOP was that independents started to like Gore more than they had before.

The apparent lesson was that you don't go after someone unless you first make sure it sells with the public.

So Bush Jr didn't go after Gore, because he wanted the kinder, gentler look for the GOP that his dad had tried to sell. And Trump's advisors told him that Hillary was done after losing in 2016, there was nothing to gain by going after her, since her career was over anyway, while prosecuting her could hurt Trump's image with women, which had always been a sore spot.

But even before he was elected, Trump was targeted for every kind of attack by Democrats. They don't care whether he did or didn't do what they claim, they only cared about going after him with literally everything they could imagine. the Democrats also knew they could rely on career politicians in the GOP to support them in that vendetta.

Both impeachments were absurdly false on the facts, and 90% of the legal indictments are garbage, with the remaining 10% largely arguable.

The two things I am sure of in this matter, is that a lot of bad decisions were made, and this is going to get really, really ugly by next summer.

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Fair points. I agree with Bush and Gore.

I do disagree about the criminal charges on Trump, they may be petty but they got him on the law and they know it. He will be convicted on the facts, most of which he brought up on himself. Dems would not indict unless they knew they had him dead to rights.

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Petty is ok?
It's ok for Hunter to walk but Dems to contrive petty charges against their political opponents? (and petty is an understatement. Words like novel, unprecedented, unprofessional, contrived, illegal....would be more appropriate.

You are hardly alone in cheering on the double standard. And I suspect you will never admit it until it bites you or yours.

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I got a speeding ticket for 3 miles over speed limit once. Took it to judge, lost. I was still over speed limit. Every cop, lawyer said same thing, you were still over speed limit. Petty, yes. But I still broke the law and I lost.

Does that make better sense about where I am coming. He still broke the law, petty or not. He will lose. Breaking the law a little is not a winning defense.

You keep throwing others in. Hunter is irrelevant to whether or not Trump broke law. Sure indict Hunter, does not affect Trumps case.

I am not cheering along double standard. I don't see how whether or not Hunter is indicted shows Trump didn't do what accused. I believe Trump was disgusting after loss and caused more real damage to US than anyone. I watched it unfold. Now, if found innocent I will re- consider.

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So he's guilty in your mind already, but if he's found innocent you will reconsider your premature guilty verdict? LOL.

One can recognize the double standard and damage to the Republic that political prosecutions cause while at the same time acknowledging that Trump is in some real danger on the documents charges and RICO charges. But the others are complete and utter horse *****

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He is indicted and going to trial! Of course, I am interested in if he is found guilty.

Do I believe he tried to find a way to overthrow the election to keep power. Based on his personality, track record and actions after the 2020 election (many on TV and tweets)- Yes. I think he found something he likes more than money, power. If I am wrong, I will reconsider. I see NOTHING in his life history, Presidential actions, and post-2020 election actions to show any indication otherwise.

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It's not illegal to challenge election results. Nor is it illegal to say how many votes you need to do so.

It's not hurting him, apparently.

🚨 NATIONAL POLL: Emerson (A-)

PRES:
(R) Trump 46% (+2)
(D) Biden 44%
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(R) Trump 44% (+5)
(D) Biden 39%
(G) West 4%
——
GOP PRES:
Trump 50% (+38)
DeSantis 12%
Ramaswamy 9%
Pence 7%
Haley 7%
Christie 5%
Scott 2%
——
8/25-26 | 1,000 RV | D37/R36/I27https://t.co/8BAdtIu6ap pic.twitter.com/Z9dwhEgrRM

— InteractivePolls (@IAPolls2022) August 28, 2023

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It may not. He may be elected again, god help us...

I do know what I saw on Jan 6th and he was the ringleader of what ended up being one of the most disgusting sets of behavior and acts by a sitting President I have seen as a US citizen. He was and is very adept at getting others to do what he wants and then deflect all blame,

Unlike you and others, to not be a Banana Republic you have to respect the processes and protocols that we have. He was investigated, Grand Jury recommended charges, indicted, arraigned and now he will be tried. The outcome of the trial will determine his guilt or innocence.

He has the presumption of innocence by they Courts. I do not have to presume anything. My opinion is that he is guilty. We will see. If he is found innocent, he is innocent. I will admit I was wrong and go forward. But the process has to be respected.


Talk to those on his Staff and other elected officials that are testifying against him. This is not a Democrat action, it is bi-partisan and his actual staff.

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If you think J6 was bad but you don't think what they're doing in DC is millions of times worse then you have no g damn grasp on objective reality.

Omnibus bills, failed wars and economic instability is a much bigger threat to this country than ANYTHING you think Trump did wrong.

Y'all largely have normalcy bias mixed with complacency and you don't know who the real bad guys are.

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Yep.

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And you may get to see what a REAL insurrection looks like. Popcorn ready.

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That leads to a great question. Are you willing to die for Trump? And let me personally raise the stakes for your ass!

If you go out there and get killed for Trump, that'll be the end of us drinking together. You're on your own.

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Any ( highly unlikely )insurrection wouldn't be to save Donald Trump.

Rather to restore the 1st amendment and the Bill of Rights .

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That's just it, KB. The first A allows me to promise you a bud light with no intention of delivering. It doesn't allow me to promise you a Bud Light with no intention of delivering then steal the Bud Light for myself.

Trump is within his rights to say the election was stolen. He is not allowed to use false pretensions to gain access to the dominion voting machines. It doesn't allow him to submit fake electors or falsely intimidate poll workers.

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I don't care about Trump, though I certainly think a double standard is involved with these prosecutions.

DeSantis is my choice or rather long shot hope.

Gavin is going to become president in 2024.
Elected or otherwise .

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I don't see anyway Gavin becomes president. Ever. (Did you know his ex wife is Kimberly Guilfoyle?)

Personally, I've think Whitmer is a better governor and there are other candidates who rightfully didn't challenge the incumbent President.

Biden ain't stepping down and I don't see death unless it's by foul play.

You still riding with pudding hands or are you rethinking him?

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The man is 80 years old. He could die in his sleep without any help from "foul play."

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Biden could drop dead at any minute. It's not an unrealistic concern. What helps him is he has the best healthcare of anyone in the world monitoring him.

What I find odd is Trump is the same generation, eats more **** than the Hamburglar and has a family history of dementia. And now his freedom is at risk.

Is there a reason he's avoiding debates? Hiding in the basement.

BREAKING: Donald Trump's arraignment in Fulton County, Georgia has just been set for September 6 at 9:30AM.

— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) August 28, 2023

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Midnight Rider said:

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Yep.

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And you may get to see what a REAL insurrection looks like. Popcorn ready.

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That leads to a great question. Are you willing to die for Trump? And let me personally raise the stakes for your ass!

If you go out there and get killed for Trump, that'll be the end of us drinking together. You're on your own.

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Any ( highly unlikely )insurrection wouldn't be to save Donald Trump.

Rather to restore the 1st amendment and the Bill of Rights .

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That's just it, KB. The first A allows me to promise you a bud light with no intention of delivering. It doesn't allow me to promise you a Bud Light with no intention of delivering then steal the Bud Light for myself.

Trump is within his rights to say the election was stolen. He is not allowed to use false pretensions to gain access to the dominion voting machines. It doesn't allow him to submit fake electors or falsely intimidate poll workers.

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I don't care about Trump, though I certainly think a double standard is involved with these prosecutions.

DeSantis is my choice or rather long shot hope.

Gavin is going to become president in 2024.
Elected or otherwise .

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I don't see anyway Gavin becomes president. Ever. (Did you know his ex wife is Kimberly Guilfoyle?)

Personally, I've think Whitmer is a better governor and there are other candidates who rightfully didn't challenge the incumbent President.

Biden ain't stepping down and I don't see death unless it's by foul play.

You still riding with pudding hands or are you rethinking him?

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The man is 80 years old. He could die in his sleep without any help from "foul play."

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Biden could drop dead at any minute. It's not an unrealistic concern. What helps him is he has the best healthcare of anyone in the world monitoring him.

What I find odd is Trump is the same generation, eats more **** than the Hamburglar and has a family history of dementia. And now his freedom is at risk.

Is there a reason he's avoiding debates? Hiding in the basement.

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To paraphrase a British Prime Minister speaking in parliament from many years ago, those who expect to lose the election always challenge whose who expect to win the election to a debate and those who expect to win the election decline.

I suspect he doesn't see the benefit, and he may be right. He doesn't have to do anything at this point to suck the oxygen away from other Republican candidates.

It seems that whoever the GOP nominates will be running against a guy who is, for lack of a better term, corrupt. There a lot of smoke in the form of money circling the Biden clan, and I fear that there's a good bit of fire in the form of corruption and probably obstruction as well. It is depressing to think what will happen if the GOP can't nominate someone other than Trump, or if Biden should become incapacitated or die before his time in office ends.

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Yep.

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And you may get to see what a REAL insurrection looks like. Popcorn ready.

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That leads to a great question. Are you willing to die for Trump? And let me personally raise the stakes for your ass!

If you go out there and get killed for Trump, that'll be the end of us drinking together. You're on your own.

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Any ( highly unlikely )insurrection wouldn't be to save Donald Trump.

Rather to restore the 1st amendment and the Bill of Rights .

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That's just it, KB. The first A allows me to promise you a bud light with no intention of delivering. It doesn't allow me to promise you a Bud Light with no intention of delivering then steal the Bud Light for myself.

Trump is within his rights to say the election was stolen. He is not allowed to use false pretensions to gain access to the dominion voting machines. It doesn't allow him to submit fake electors or falsely intimidate poll workers.

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I don't care about Trump, though I certainly think a double standard is involved with these prosecutions.

DeSantis is my choice or rather long shot hope.

Gavin is going to become president in 2024.
Elected or otherwise .

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I don't see anyway Gavin becomes president. Ever. (Did you know his ex wife is Kimberly Guilfoyle?)

Personally, I've think Whitmer is a better governor and there are other candidates who rightfully didn't challenge the incumbent President.

Biden ain't stepping down and I don't see death unless it's by foul play.

You still riding with pudding hands or are you rethinking him?

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The man is 80 years old. He could die in his sleep without any help from "foul play."

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Biden could drop dead at any minute. It's not an unrealistic concern. What helps him is he has the best healthcare of anyone in the world monitoring him.

What I find odd is Trump is the same generation, eats more **** than the Hamburglar and has a family history of dementia. And now his freedom is at risk.

Is there a reason he's avoiding debates? Hiding in the basement.

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To paraphrase a British Prime Minister speaking in parliament from many years ago, those who expect to lose the election always challenge whose who expect to win the election to a debate and those who expect to win the election decline.

I suspect he doesn't see the benefit, and he may be right. He doesn't have to do anything at this point to suck the oxygen away from other Republican candidates.

It seems that whoever the GOP nominates will be running against a guy who is, for lack of a better term, corrupt. There a lot of smoke in the form of money circling the Biden clan, and I fear that there's a good bit of fire in the form of corruption and probably obstruction as well. It is depressing to think what will happen if the GOP can't nominate someone other than Trump, or if Biden should become incapacitated or die before his time in office ends.

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to your last point, 74% of Democrats think Biden is too old to be effective. What if Biden backs out and Newsom gets nomination? A young candidate would be running against a candidate who has been indicted 18 (19?) times in 4 jurisdictions.

Newsome is the anrtichrist in a used car salesman's body

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Eww. I just brought my daughter a used Toyota Avalon, after literally weeks of speaking/haggling with salesmen from a number of dealerships.

Nasty creatures, those.

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Midnight Rider said:

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Yep.

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And you may get to see what a REAL insurrection looks like. Popcorn ready.

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That leads to a great question. Are you willing to die for Trump? And let me personally raise the stakes for your ass!

If you go out there and get killed for Trump, that'll be the end of us drinking together. You're on your own.

---

Any ( highly unlikely )insurrection wouldn't be to save Donald Trump.

Rather to restore the 1st amendment and the Bill of Rights .

---

That's just it, KB. The first A allows me to promise you a bud light with no intention of delivering. It doesn't allow me to promise you a Bud Light with no intention of delivering then steal the Bud Light for myself.

Trump is within his rights to say the election was stolen. He is not allowed to use false pretensions to gain access to the dominion voting machines. It doesn't allow him to submit fake electors or falsely intimidate poll workers.

---

I don't care about Trump, though I certainly think a double standard is involved with these prosecutions.

DeSantis is my choice or rather long shot hope.

Gavin is going to become president in 2024.
Elected or otherwise .

---

I don't see anyway Gavin becomes president. Ever. (Did you know his ex wife is Kimberly Guilfoyle?)

Personally, I've think Whitmer is a better governor and there are other candidates who rightfully didn't challenge the incumbent President.

Biden ain't stepping down and I don't see death unless it's by foul play.

You still riding with pudding hands or are you rethinking him?

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The man is 80 years old. He could die in his sleep without any help from "foul play."

---

Biden could drop dead at any minute. It's not an unrealistic concern. What helps him is he has the best healthcare of anyone in the world monitoring him.

What I find odd is Trump is the same generation, eats more **** than the Hamburglar and has a family history of dementia. And now his freedom is at risk.

Is there a reason he's avoiding debates? Hiding in the basement.

---

To paraphrase a British Prime Minister speaking in parliament from many years ago, those who expect to lose the election always challenge whose who expect to win the election to a debate and those who expect to win the election decline.

I suspect he doesn't see the benefit, and he may be right. He doesn't have to do anything at this point to suck the oxygen away from other Republican candidates.

It seems that whoever the GOP nominates will be running against a guy who is, for lack of a better term, corrupt. There a lot of smoke in the form of money circling the Biden clan, and I fear that there's a good bit of fire in the form of corruption and probably obstruction as well. It is depressing to think what will happen if the GOP can't nominate someone other than Trump, or if Biden should become incapacitated or die before his time in office ends.

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to your last point, 74% of Democrats think Biden is too old to be effective. What if Biden backs out and Newsom gets nomination? A young candidate would be running against a candidate who has been indicted 18 (19?) times in 4 jurisdictions.

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First of all, Biden isn't quitting the race and if he did, would give the nod to his VP. The problem with either Harris or Newsom is the same reason Biden won in 2020, Hillary lost in 2016, and Biden has the best chance in 2024: Biden has and can continue to win Pennsylvania. It doesn't matter if Newsom adds a couple of points in California if he can't carry PA, Michigan, Wisconsin. Thats where the election will be decided. The only possibility that I see changing that is if Trump drops out (and gives some kind of support to the Republican nominee). It is possible a new face at the head of the Republican ticket could change the equation--for what its worth, Nikki Halley would be very hard for the Democrats to beat under any scenario.

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Yep.

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And you may get to see what a REAL insurrection looks like. Popcorn ready.

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That leads to a great question. Are you willing to die for Trump? And let me personally raise the stakes for your ass!

If you go out there and get killed for Trump, that'll be the end of us drinking together. You're on your own.

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Any ( highly unlikely )insurrection wouldn't be to save Donald Trump.

Rather to restore the 1st amendment and the Bill of Rights .

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That's just it, KB. The first A allows me to promise you a bud light with no intention of delivering. It doesn't allow me to promise you a Bud Light with no intention of delivering then steal the Bud Light for myself.

Trump is within his rights to say the election was stolen. He is not allowed to use false pretensions to gain access to the dominion voting machines. It doesn't allow him to submit fake electors or falsely intimidate poll workers.

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I don't care about Trump, though I certainly think a double standard is involved with these prosecutions.

DeSantis is my choice or rather long shot hope.

Gavin is going to become president in 2024.
Elected or otherwise .

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I don't see anyway Gavin becomes president. Ever. (Did you know his ex wife is Kimberly Guilfoyle?)

Personally, I've think Whitmer is a better governor and there are other candidates who rightfully didn't challenge the incumbent President.

Biden ain't stepping down and I don't see death unless it's by foul play.

You still riding with pudding hands or are you rethinking him?

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The man is 80 years old. He could die in his sleep without any help from "foul play."

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Biden could drop dead at any minute. It's not an unrealistic concern. What helps him is he has the best healthcare of anyone in the world monitoring him.

What I find odd is Trump is the same generation, eats more **** than the Hamburglar and has a family history of dementia. And now his freedom is at risk.

Is there a reason he's avoiding debates? Hiding in the basement.

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To paraphrase a British Prime Minister speaking in parliament from many years ago, those who expect to lose the election always challenge whose who expect to win the election to a debate and those who expect to win the election decline.

I suspect he doesn't see the benefit, and he may be right. He doesn't have to do anything at this point to suck the oxygen away from other Republican candidates.

It seems that whoever the GOP nominates will be running against a guy who is, for lack of a better term, corrupt. There a lot of smoke in the form of money circling the Biden clan, and I fear that there's a good bit of fire in the form of corruption and probably obstruction as well. It is depressing to think what will happen if the GOP can't nominate someone other than Trump, or if Biden should become incapacitated or die before his time in office ends.

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to your last point, 74% of Democrats think Biden is too old to be effective. What if Biden backs out and Newsom gets nomination? A young candidate would be running against a candidate who has been indicted 18 (19?) times in 4 jurisdictions.

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First of all, Biden isn't quitting the race and if he did, would give the nod to his VP. The problem with either Harris or Newsom is the same reason Biden won in 2020, Hillary lost in 2016, and Biden has the best chance in 2024: Biden has and can continue to win Pennsylvania. It doesn't matter if Newsom adds a couple of points in California if he can't carry PA, Michigan, Wisconsin. Thats where the election will be decided. The only possibility that I see changing that is if Trump drops out (and gives some kind of support to the Republican nominee). It is possible a new face at the head of the Republican ticket could change the equation--for what its worth, Nikki Halley would be very hard for the Democrats to beat under any scenario.

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He would beat Trump.
Trump juices the Democrat turn out. Trump's only hope is Biden. If Biden isn't the nominee Trump loses bigger.

If Republicans nominate anybody but Trump, they win

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Newsome is the anrtichrist in a used car salesman's body

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And he would beat Trump

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NoRhules said:

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Newsome is the anrtichrist in a used car salesman's body

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And he would beat Trump

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Maybe not, but I hope we don't have to find out.

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D. C. Bear said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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KaiBear said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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KaiBear said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Midnight Rider said:

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Yep.

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And you may get to see what a REAL insurrection looks like. Popcorn ready.

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That leads to a great question. Are you willing to die for Trump? And let me personally raise the stakes for your ass!

If you go out there and get killed for Trump, that'll be the end of us drinking together. You're on your own.

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Any ( highly unlikely )insurrection wouldn't be to save Donald Trump.

Rather to restore the 1st amendment and the Bill of Rights .

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That's just it, KB. The first A allows me to promise you a bud light with no intention of delivering. It doesn't allow me to promise you a Bud Light with no intention of delivering then steal the Bud Light for myself.

Trump is within his rights to say the election was stolen. He is not allowed to use false pretensions to gain access to the dominion voting machines. It doesn't allow him to submit fake electors or falsely intimidate poll workers.

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I don't care about Trump, though I certainly think a double standard is involved with these prosecutions.

DeSantis is my choice or rather long shot hope.

Gavin is going to become president in 2024.
Elected or otherwise .

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I don't see anyway Gavin becomes president. Ever. (Did you know his ex wife is Kimberly Guilfoyle?)

Personally, I've think Whitmer is a better governor and there are other candidates who rightfully didn't challenge the incumbent President.

Biden ain't stepping down and I don't see death unless it's by foul play.

You still riding with pudding hands or are you rethinking him?

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The man is 80 years old. He could die in his sleep without any help from "foul play."

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Biden could drop dead at any minute. It's not an unrealistic concern. What helps him is he has the best healthcare of anyone in the world monitoring him.

What I find odd is Trump is the same generation, eats more **** than the Hamburglar and has a family history of dementia. And now his freedom is at risk.

Is there a reason he's avoiding debates? Hiding in the basement.

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To paraphrase a British Prime Minister speaking in parliament from many years ago, those who expect to lose the election always challenge whose who expect to win the election to a debate and those who expect to win the election decline.

I suspect he doesn't see the benefit, and he may be right. He doesn't have to do anything at this point to suck the oxygen away from other Republican candidates.

It seems that whoever the GOP nominates will be running against a guy who is, for lack of a better term, corrupt. There a lot of smoke in the form of money circling the Biden clan, and I fear that there's a good bit of fire in the form of corruption and probably obstruction as well. It is depressing to think what will happen if the GOP can't nominate someone other than Trump, or if Biden should become incapacitated or die before his time in office ends.

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to your last point, 74% of Democrats think Biden is too old to be effective. What if Biden backs out and Newsom gets nomination? A young candidate would be running against a candidate who has been indicted 18 (19?) times in 4 jurisdictions.

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First of all, Biden isn't quitting the race and if he did, would give the nod to his VP. The problem with either Harris or Newsom is the same reason Biden won in 2020, Hillary lost in 2016, and Biden has the best chance in 2024: Biden has and can continue to win Pennsylvania. It doesn't matter if Newsom adds a couple of points in California if he can't carry PA, Michigan, Wisconsin. Thats where the election will be decided. The only possibility that I see changing that is if Trump drops out (and gives some kind of support to the Republican nominee). It is possible a new face at the head of the Republican ticket could change the equation--for what its worth, Nikki Halley would be very hard for the Democrats to beat under any scenario.

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He would beat Trump.
Trump juices the Democrat turn out. Trump's only hope is Biden. If Biden isn't the nominee Trump loses bigger.

If Republicans nominate anybody but Trump, they win

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Republicans have several options to Trump. The problem with winning the nomination is how to be beat Trump, and how to get Trump to play nice (and encourage his base to show up in November without his name on the ballot). What are the chances if 10-20% of trump's base stays home in November?

D. C. Bear said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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KaiBear said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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KaiBear said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Midnight Rider said:

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Yep.

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And you may get to see what a REAL insurrection looks like. Popcorn ready.

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That leads to a great question. Are you willing to die for Trump? And let me personally raise the stakes for your ass!

If you go out there and get killed for Trump, that'll be the end of us drinking together. You're on your own.

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Any ( highly unlikely )insurrection wouldn't be to save Donald Trump.

Rather to restore the 1st amendment and the Bill of Rights .

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That's just it, KB. The first A allows me to promise you a bud light with no intention of delivering. It doesn't allow me to promise you a Bud Light with no intention of delivering then steal the Bud Light for myself.

Trump is within his rights to say the election was stolen. He is not allowed to use false pretensions to gain access to the dominion voting machines. It doesn't allow him to submit fake electors or falsely intimidate poll workers.

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I don't care about Trump, though I certainly think a double standard is involved with these prosecutions.

DeSantis is my choice or rather long shot hope.

Gavin is going to become president in 2024.
Elected or otherwise .

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I don't see anyway Gavin becomes president. Ever. (Did you know his ex wife is Kimberly Guilfoyle?)

Personally, I've think Whitmer is a better governor and there are other candidates who rightfully didn't challenge the incumbent President.

Biden ain't stepping down and I don't see death unless it's by foul play.

You still riding with pudding hands or are you rethinking him?

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The man is 80 years old. He could die in his sleep without any help from "foul play."

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Biden could drop dead at any minute. It's not an unrealistic concern. What helps him is he has the best healthcare of anyone in the world monitoring him.

What I find odd is Trump is the same generation, eats more **** than the Hamburglar and has a family history of dementia. And now his freedom is at risk.

Is there a reason he's avoiding debates? Hiding in the basement.

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To paraphrase a British Prime Minister speaking in parliament from many years ago, those who expect to lose the election always challenge whose who expect to win the election to a debate and those who expect to win the election decline.

I suspect he doesn't see the benefit, and he may be right. He doesn't have to do anything at this point to suck the oxygen away from other Republican candidates.

It seems that whoever the GOP nominates will be running against a guy who is, for lack of a better term, corrupt. There a lot of smoke in the form of money circling the Biden clan, and I fear that there's a good bit of fire in the form of corruption and probably obstruction as well. It is depressing to think what will happen if the GOP can't nominate someone other than Trump, or if Biden should become incapacitated or die before his time in office ends.

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Please don't hear me saying Trump should debate. I wouldn't. I was just doing a poor job of using 2020 Trump arguments.

Champs don't fight tomato cans. But these cans had better step up if they want the champ.

Sad

I agree

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Osodecentx said:

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TWD 1974 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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KaiBear said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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KaiBear said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Midnight Rider said:

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Yep.

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And you may get to see what a REAL insurrection looks like. Popcorn ready.

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That leads to a great question. Are you willing to die for Trump? And let me personally raise the stakes for your ass!

If you go out there and get killed for Trump, that'll be the end of us drinking together. You're on your own.

---

Any ( highly unlikely )insurrection wouldn't be to save Donald Trump.

Rather to restore the 1st amendment and the Bill of Rights .

---

That's just it, KB. The first A allows me to promise you a bud light with no intention of delivering. It doesn't allow me to promise you a Bud Light with no intention of delivering then steal the Bud Light for myself.

Trump is within his rights to say the election was stolen. He is not allowed to use false pretensions to gain access to the dominion voting machines. It doesn't allow him to submit fake electors or falsely intimidate poll workers.

---

I don't care about Trump, though I certainly think a double standard is involved with these prosecutions.

DeSantis is my choice or rather long shot hope.

Gavin is going to become president in 2024.
Elected or otherwise .

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I don't see anyway Gavin becomes president. Ever. (Did you know his ex wife is Kimberly Guilfoyle?)

Personally, I've think Whitmer is a better governor and there are other candidates who rightfully didn't challenge the incumbent President.

Biden ain't stepping down and I don't see death unless it's by foul play.

You still riding with pudding hands or are you rethinking him?

---

The man is 80 years old. He could die in his sleep without any help from "foul play."

---

Biden could drop dead at any minute. It's not an unrealistic concern. What helps him is he has the best healthcare of anyone in the world monitoring him.

What I find odd is Trump is the same generation, eats more **** than the Hamburglar and has a family history of dementia. And now his freedom is at risk.

Is there a reason he's avoiding debates? Hiding in the basement.

---

To paraphrase a British Prime Minister speaking in parliament from many years ago, those who expect to lose the election always challenge whose who expect to win the election to a debate and those who expect to win the election decline.

I suspect he doesn't see the benefit, and he may be right. He doesn't have to do anything at this point to suck the oxygen away from other Republican candidates.

It seems that whoever the GOP nominates will be running against a guy who is, for lack of a better term, corrupt. There a lot of smoke in the form of money circling the Biden clan, and I fear that there's a good bit of fire in the form of corruption and probably obstruction as well. It is depressing to think what will happen if the GOP can't nominate someone other than Trump, or if Biden should become incapacitated or die before his time in office ends.

---

to your last point, 74% of Democrats think Biden is too old to be effective. What if Biden backs out and Newsom gets nomination? A young candidate would be running against a candidate who has been indicted 18 (19?) times in 4 jurisdictions.

---

First of all, Biden isn't quitting the race and if he did, would give the nod to his VP. The problem with either Harris or Newsom is the same reason Biden won in 2020, Hillary lost in 2016, and Biden has the best chance in 2024: Biden has and can continue to win Pennsylvania. It doesn't matter if Newsom adds a couple of points in California if he can't carry PA, Michigan, Wisconsin. Thats where the election will be decided. The only possibility that I see changing that is if Trump drops out (and gives some kind of support to the Republican nominee). It is possible a new face at the head of the Republican ticket could change the equation--for what its worth, Nikki Halley would be very hard for the Democrats to beat under any scenario.

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He would beat Trump.
Trump juices the Democrat turn out. Trump's only hope is Biden. If Biden isn't the nominee Trump loses bigger.

If Republicans nominate anybody but Trump, they win

---

Republicans have several options to Trump. The problem with winning the nomination is how to be beat Trump, and how to get Trump to play nice (and encourage his base to show up in November without his name on the ballot). What are the chances if 10-20% of trump's base stays home in November?

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We have had no primaries, no one has voted for anyone yet. Let's see what the Primaries show before having a coronation for Donald. His campaign is pushing that this thing is over based on National Polls. We don't elect that way.

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Osodecentx said:

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TWD 1974 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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KaiBear said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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KaiBear said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Midnight Rider said:

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Yep.

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And you may get to see what a REAL insurrection looks like. Popcorn ready.

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That leads to a great question. Are you willing to die for Trump? And let me personally raise the stakes for your ass!

If you go out there and get killed for Trump, that'll be the end of us drinking together. You're on your own.

---

Any ( highly unlikely )insurrection wouldn't be to save Donald Trump.

Rather to restore the 1st amendment and the Bill of Rights .

---

That's just it, KB. The first A allows me to promise you a bud light with no intention of delivering. It doesn't allow me to promise you a Bud Light with no intention of delivering then steal the Bud Light for myself.

Trump is within his rights to say the election was stolen. He is not allowed to use false pretensions to gain access to the dominion voting machines. It doesn't allow him to submit fake electors or falsely intimidate poll workers.

---

I don't care about Trump, though I certainly think a double standard is involved with these prosecutions.

DeSantis is my choice or rather long shot hope.

Gavin is going to become president in 2024.
Elected or otherwise .

---

I don't see anyway Gavin becomes president. Ever. (Did you know his ex wife is Kimberly Guilfoyle?)

Personally, I've think Whitmer is a better governor and there are other candidates who rightfully didn't challenge the incumbent President.

Biden ain't stepping down and I don't see death unless it's by foul play.

You still riding with pudding hands or are you rethinking him?

---

The man is 80 years old. He could die in his sleep without any help from "foul play."

---

Biden could drop dead at any minute. It's not an unrealistic concern. What helps him is he has the best healthcare of anyone in the world monitoring him.

What I find odd is Trump is the same generation, eats more **** than the Hamburglar and has a family history of dementia. And now his freedom is at risk.

Is there a reason he's avoiding debates? Hiding in the basement.

---

To paraphrase a British Prime Minister speaking in parliament from many years ago, those who expect to lose the election always challenge whose who expect to win the election to a debate and those who expect to win the election decline.

I suspect he doesn't see the benefit, and he may be right. He doesn't have to do anything at this point to suck the oxygen away from other Republican candidates.

It seems that whoever the GOP nominates will be running against a guy who is, for lack of a better term, corrupt. There a lot of smoke in the form of money circling the Biden clan, and I fear that there's a good bit of fire in the form of corruption and probably obstruction as well. It is depressing to think what will happen if the GOP can't nominate someone other than Trump, or if Biden should become incapacitated or die before his time in office ends.

---

to your last point, 74% of Democrats think Biden is too old to be effective. What if Biden backs out and Newsom gets nomination? A young candidate would be running against a candidate who has been indicted 18 (19?) times in 4 jurisdictions.

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First of all, Biden isn't quitting the race and if he did, would give the nod to his VP. The problem with either Harris or Newsom is the same reason Biden won in 2020, Hillary lost in 2016, and Biden has the best chance in 2024: Biden has and can continue to win Pennsylvania. It doesn't matter if Newsom adds a couple of points in California if he can't carry PA, Michigan, Wisconsin. Thats where the election will be decided. The only possibility that I see changing that is if Trump drops out (and gives some kind of support to the Republican nominee). It is possible a new face at the head of the Republican ticket could change the equation--for what its worth, Nikki Halley would be very hard for the Democrats to beat under any scenario.

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He would beat Trump.
Trump juices the Democrat turn out. Trump's only hope is Biden. If Biden isn't the nominee Trump loses bigger.

If Republicans nominate anybody but Trump, they win

---

Republicans have several options to Trump. The problem with winning the nomination is how to be beat Trump, and how to get Trump to play nice (and encourage his base to show up in November without his name on the ballot). What are the chances if 10-20% of trump's base stays home in November?

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Theres no difference in candidate between Biden or Newsom and every GOP candidate besides Ramaswamy and Trump.

Everyone is a uniparty loyalist except those two.

If it was Pence vs Newsom the presidency would look the same no matter who won.

Doc Holliday: "Everyone is a uniparty loyalist except those two."

Gotta disagree. Haley and Scott have promise.

Question is, if someone not Trump but GOP wins the White House, can they resist the full court press from the Swamp?

Make the wrong VP choice, or a weak Attorney General, or a wobbly FBI Director, and you might as well have elected Romney.

Would rather see Trump in jail than Biden or any other woke Dem in the White House after the 2024 general elections .

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Doc Holliday: "Everyone is a uniparty loyalist except those two."

Gotta disagree. Haley and Scott have promise.

Question is, if someone not Trump but GOP wins the White House, can they resist the full court press from the Swamp?

Make the wrong VP choice, or a weak Attorney General, or a wobbly FBI Director, and you might as well have elected Romney.

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Trump cleaned out his own appointees more than he cleaned out the swamp. Don't mistake campaign rhetoric for action or success. Trump made the swamp worse and is about to drown in the swamp.

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Oldbear83 said:

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Doc Holliday: "Everyone is a uniparty loyalist except those two."

Gotta disagree. Haley and Scott have promise.

Question is, if someone not Trump but GOP wins the White House, can they resist the full court press from the Swamp?

Make the wrong VP choice, or a weak Attorney General, or a wobbly FBI Director, and you might as well have elected Romney.

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Trump cleaned out his own appointees more than he cleaned out the swamp. Don't mistake campaign rhetoric for action or success. Trump made the swamp worse and is about to drown in the swamp.

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Cool story, bro.

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Oldbear83 said:

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Doc Holliday: "Everyone is a uniparty loyalist except those two."

Gotta disagree. Haley and Scott have promise.

Question is, if someone not Trump but GOP wins the White House, can they resist the full court press from the Swamp?

Make the wrong VP choice, or a weak Attorney General, or a wobbly FBI Director, and you might as well have elected Romney.

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Trump cleaned out his own appointees more than he cleaned out the swamp. Don't mistake campaign rhetoric for action or success. Trump made the swamp worse and is about to drown in the swamp.

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Agree with you here. Trump could never let go of The Apprentice tagline, "You're fired!!!" Trump's appointees / cabinet members were hung up in the revolving door.

Compared to Joe Biden who has fired NOBODY except for his luggage stealing nuclear freak. No accountability to be found in perhaps the most incompetent and inept administration ever.

Trump fired everybody. Biden fires nobody.

So much want to once again have some normalcy in our government. Boring and stable would be nice.

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NoRhules said:

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Newsome is the anrtichrist in a used car salesman's body

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And he would beat Trump

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maybe.. l think Newsome plays a bit like RDS nationally. People will look at Cali and think they dont want to be like Cali and vote against him or sit it out.

Just not sold on him nationally.

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sombear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Doc Holliday: "Everyone is a uniparty loyalist except those two."

Gotta disagree. Haley and Scott have promise.

Question is, if someone not Trump but GOP wins the White House, can they resist the full court press from the Swamp?

Make the wrong VP choice, or a weak Attorney General, or a wobbly FBI Director, and you might as well have elected Romney.

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Trump cleaned out his own appointees more than he cleaned out the swamp. Don't mistake campaign rhetoric for action or success. Trump made the swamp worse and is about to drown in the swamp.

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Cool story, bro.

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This must be that humility OldBear was talking about.

Just wait until Kemp, Raffensburger, Duncan and their staffs are under oath along with the multitude of texts and email communications from Team Trump during those frantic few weeks post election. Hello RICO. The dude was even trying to sabotage/coerce them inter party. The receipts are there unfortunately for Trump.

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Oldbear83 said:

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sombear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Doc Holliday: "Everyone is a uniparty loyalist except those two."

Gotta disagree. Haley and Scott have promise.

Question is, if someone not Trump but GOP wins the White House, can they resist the full court press from the Swamp?

Make the wrong VP choice, or a weak Attorney General, or a wobbly FBI Director, and you might as well have elected Romney.

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Trump cleaned out his own appointees more than he cleaned out the swamp. Don't mistake campaign rhetoric for action or success. Trump made the swamp worse and is about to drown in the swamp.

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Cool story, bro.

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This must be that humility OldBear was talking about.

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More like I agree Trump's ego did him damage, but he did more to bring awareness of the Swamp than any President since Ike. And some of the cabinet picks failed because the GOP-controlled Congress had the spine of a marshmallow.