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bear2be2 said:

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Mothra said:

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bear2be2 said:

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I can't stand DeSantis and would never vote for him, but I think he had a much stronger debate tonight.

And after dominating the first debate, Nikki Haley was much less effective tonight IMO. It was clearly her strategy to come out swinging, but I don't think it worked for her.

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Who do you support?

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Of this field, Haley or Scott. But I was disappointed with Haley's performance tonight. I like Burgum, too, but he has no prayer.

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How about the Democrat field? Which candidate(s) do you support? Not a trick question.

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What field? It looks like it's only Biden. And if he's the candidate, I'll write someone in in the general.

I voted for Buttigieg in the 2020 Democratic primary and for Kasich in the 2016 Republican primary.

As a moderate centrist/independent, I generally vote for the most pragmatic and least dogmatic candidate in the most relevant primary each cycle. None of my preferred candidates ever have a snowball's chance in hell of winning their primaries.

But I believe functional government in a plural society requires compromise. I won't vote for militant ideologues on either side of the political aisle, particularly those who are intentionally divisive and play performative games to sow fear in their base.

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Actually Desantis declared Trump "Missing in action"

Most of the candidates have mentioned that the economic problems have been caused by Biden spending.

The debate seems to be out of control.

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This is why Trump Didn't debate

1) he doesn't have to (sadly)

2) it would be a total Circus with no Ideas shared and just trump Attacks.

Sadly for those that voted China Joe theyve brought their new lot in life upon themselves.

But they'll be too stubborn to Admit it

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I mean no disrespect, but at times the moderator from Univision is extremely difficult to understand.

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That's why they chose a native Spanish speaker with such a thick accent who struggled with her palabras at times so the whites could make "racist" comments like that

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Christie just ripped Trump a new one! Called him out and said he was afraid. Gonna change his name to Donald Duck! LOL!!!!!

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Christie's soul job is to trash Trump so the other candidates don't have to. He's a paid shill.

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1 hundy

You could even tell it's so obvious given he was given about 2 minutes of air time. What a loser.

Rawhide said:

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Cobretti said:

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This second debate descended into the same quagmire of the first debate:

1) The candidate who was polling anywhere from 30-40 percent ahead of the pack was not on the stage and that made it hard for the other candidates to attack their front-running rival in absentia—and almost…

— Victor Davis Hanson (@VDHanson) September 28, 2023

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This second debate descended into the same quagmire of the first debate:


1) The candidate who was polling anywhere from 30-40 percent ahead of the pack was not on the stage and that made it hard for the other candidates to attack their front-running rival in absentiaand almost ensured a nihilistic, cannibalistic fight for second and third place and fourth and fifth place and sixth…

That fragmentation is exactly how Trump outsmarted the 2016 field that in toto outnumbered Trump's support but never united behind one or two candidates and thus all were picked off one by one. No candidate, oddly, tried to make the case that Trump is facing 91 indictments and he/she would be in a better position to help Trump and reform a corrupt justice system than a tied-down Trump himself.

2) So there are still too many candidates who are not viable contenders, (Christie, Pence, Scott, Burden) that have little or no chance. Their shouting matches are rhetorical exercises without political consequenceexcept to dilute further the top rivals to Trump. Whatever one might say about the Democratic cabal of March 2020, when the Left realized that a fragmented field might elect Bernie Sanders with a minority of the primary votes, then almost magically after the South Carolina primary the field began to thin and Biden, the only viable candidate in that pathetically weak field, eliminated Sanders. So if Trump does not join, debates will not matter much until perhaps DeSantis debates Haley on the MAGA agenda vs. doctrinaire Republicanism.

3) The shouting one-on-one psychodramas become irrelevant. Oddly Halley was the most guilty, provoking perceived rivals about trivia in their backgrounds and then engaging in a barking match.

Moderators? Why cannot Univision anchor Ilia Caldern pose one or two questions that transcend her own Latino interests, rather than playing to script with same old/same old predictable loaded questions that ignore all other issues like Ukraine, crime, the economy, inflation, etc.?

Why did Dana Perino intervene in Candy Crowley style to remind the audience that Haley's husband served aboard? And why do a "Survivor" schtick of candidates voting others off the stage? In general, the moderators could not control the cross-talk and did not ask the candidates what they thought of the front-runner's positions on the issues.

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Starting to look like a smart political move to avoid the chaos that's disguised as debates

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Pretty genius

Btw w t f was that last question? That's why the Republican debates are such jokes. They'd never do that **** during the Democrat debate.

Amazingly republicans are the only things standing between us and new slavery to the government.

So many voting their own destruction. Even from beyond the grave. I'm sure that extra $1500 a month they spending with little to no nominal pay raise in 3 years doesn't bother them given at least trump is going to prison

Weird lot them peeps

Fre3dombear said:

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Rawhide said:

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Cobretti said:

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This second debate descended into the same quagmire of the first debate:

1) The candidate who was polling anywhere from 30-40 percent ahead of the pack was not on the stage and that made it hard for the other candidates to attack their front-running rival in absentia—and almost…

— Victor Davis Hanson (@VDHanson) September 28, 2023

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This second debate descended into the same quagmire of the first debate:


1) The candidate who was polling anywhere from 30-40 percent ahead of the pack was not on the stage and that made it hard for the other candidates to attack their front-running rival in absentiaand almost ensured a nihilistic, cannibalistic fight for second and third place and fourth and fifth place and sixth…

That fragmentation is exactly how Trump outsmarted the 2016 field that in toto outnumbered Trump's support but never united behind one or two candidates and thus all were picked off one by one. No candidate, oddly, tried to make the case that Trump is facing 91 indictments and he/she would be in a better position to help Trump and reform a corrupt justice system than a tied-down Trump himself.

2) So there are still too many candidates who are not viable contenders, (Christie, Pence, Scott, Burden) that have little or no chance. Their shouting matches are rhetorical exercises without political consequenceexcept to dilute further the top rivals to Trump. Whatever one might say about the Democratic cabal of March 2020, when the Left realized that a fragmented field might elect Bernie Sanders with a minority of the primary votes, then almost magically after the South Carolina primary the field began to thin and Biden, the only viable candidate in that pathetically weak field, eliminated Sanders. So if Trump does not join, debates will not matter much until perhaps DeSantis debates Haley on the MAGA agenda vs. doctrinaire Republicanism.

3) The shouting one-on-one psychodramas become irrelevant. Oddly Halley was the most guilty, provoking perceived rivals about trivia in their backgrounds and then engaging in a barking match.

Moderators? Why cannot Univision anchor Ilia Caldern pose one or two questions that transcend her own Latino interests, rather than playing to script with same old/same old predictable loaded questions that ignore all other issues like Ukraine, crime, the economy, inflation, etc.?

Why did Dana Perino intervene in Candy Crowley style to remind the audience that Haley's husband served aboard? And why do a "Survivor" schtick of candidates voting others off the stage? In general, the moderators could not control the cross-talk and did not ask the candidates what they thought of the front-runner's positions on the issues.

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Starting to look like a smart political move to avoid the chaos that's disguised as debates

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Pretty genius

Btw w t f was that last question? That's why the Republican debates are such jokes. They'd never do that **** during the Democrat debate.

Amazingly republicans are the only things standing between us and new slavery to the government.

So many voting their own destruction. Even from beyond the grave. I'm sure that extra $1500 a month they spending with little to no nominal pay raise in 3 years doesn't bother them given at least trump is going to prison

Weird lot them peeps

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The Republicans aren't so normal themselves. They've got a host of candidates -- several of them downright decent -- who would bring the conservative fiscal platform they desire, and they're insistent on running the twice impeached and now four-time indicted cult of personality who's already lost to the current geriatric president once.

Neither of our major parties have a particularly good track record when it comes to picking general election candidates or governing once elected. Our electorate just ping pongs between the two, hoping to limit the damage each can do while in power.

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1. Ron DeSantis was rock solid tonight. He needs to fine tune his position on abortion. His answer to the last divisive question was beautiful. Said he was not willing to vote any individual on the stage off the island. Doing so would be disrespectful.

2. Chris Christie made his disdain for Trump very clear tonight. But he also was great on policy questions. I think his stock went up greatly tonight. He said he would vote Donald Trump off the island! Most improved from previous debate.

3. Tim Scott was more decisive tonight. Love his answers regarding slavery and racism. He is truly inspiring. He showed a little bit of a fighting to win "mean streak" tonight.

4. Nikki Haley , in my opinion, took a few steps back tonight. Agree with bear2be2. She seemed to want to fight everybody on stage. Not a good look for her. I was disappointed.

5. Vivek Ramaswamy said all the right things but I still don't trust him. Can't quite put my finger on it. Maybe it is the Millennial thing. Perhaps I am biased.

6. Doug Burgum has great ideas and is very likeable. Just don't think he has enough of a national following to be a serious contender.

7. Mike Pence was uninspiring. As a pundit said on FoxNews a couple of weeks back, "Mike Pence has put more people to sleep than Mike Lindell".

Overall, not sure tonight moved the needle much for anyone vs. Trump. We really need at least 3 or 4 of these candidates to bow out for this to happen. We shall see.

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I didn't watch but based on your assessment, why would Trump participate?

What worked for Dems is after SC, they cleared the table for Biden. If they can afford it, they should all continue through NH. If after 3 election, there's 4 candidates and Trump with the high at 16 and the 4 combined at 34, it's Trump again.

Rawhide said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Christie just ripped Trump a new one! Called him out and said he was afraid. Gonna change his name to Donald Duck! LOL!!!!!

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Christie's soul job is to trash Trump so the other candidates don't have to. He's a paid shill.

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It's hard for me to see Chris. Christie as "the rabbit"

Larry Elder would have done a heck of a job in the debates.

That's why the RNC had to exclude him.

Realitybites said:

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Larry Elder would have done a heck of a job in the debates.

That's why the RNC had to exclude him.

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There were too many on the Stage as it was. Hard to have a debate when there are so many talking over each other. When the media declared that idiot Rashwamy the winner of the first one for interrupting it set the stage for last night. I agree with Haley, I get dumber the more I listen to Rashwamy.

Mitch Blood Green said:

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Rawhide said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Christie just ripped Trump a new one! Called him out and said he was afraid. Gonna change his name to Donald Duck! LOL!!!!!

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Christie's soul job is to trash Trump so the other candidates don't have to. He's a paid shill.

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It's hard for me to see Chris. Christie as "the rabbit"

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I know Christie is there to take on Donald, if Donald ever decides to take part. But, I think Christie would do a better job than many up there.

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When is anyone just going to say it out loud? This is not a race against Biden, even if his name is on the ticket. This is a battle against an unelected Democrat apparatus plus left leaning bureaucrats who don't care what the citizens really want.

This is a party of more independent thinkers vs. a party that uses an iron fist to keep its ideology pure.
This is a party of free will vs. a party in control of what should be our laboratories of thought - major media, higher education, the majority of "news" outlets, science publications, and major professional organizations (some of which no longer truly speak for the professionals they represent.

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That's rich, given that the GOP has become Donald Trump's personal cult.

bear2be2 said:

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Mothra said:

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bear2be2 said:

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I can't stand DeSantis and would never vote for him, but I think he had a much stronger debate tonight.

And after dominating the first debate, Nikki Haley was much less effective tonight IMO. It was clearly her strategy to come out swinging, but I don't think it worked for her.

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Who do you support?

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Of this field, Haley or Scott. But I was disappointed with Haley's performance tonight. I like Burgum, too, but he has no prayer.

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Thanks.

bear2be2 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Mothra said:

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bear2be2 said:

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I can't stand DeSantis and would never vote for him, but I think he had a much stronger debate tonight.

And after dominating the first debate, Nikki Haley was much less effective tonight IMO. It was clearly her strategy to come out swinging, but I don't think it worked for her.

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Who do you support?

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Of this field, Haley or Scott. But I was disappointed with Haley's performance tonight. I like Burgum, too, but he has no prayer.

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How about the Democrat field? Which candidate(s) do you support? Not a trick question.

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What field? It looks like it's only Biden. And if he's the candidate, I'll write someone in in the general.

I voted for Buttigieg in the 2020 Democratic primary and for Kasich in the 2016 Republican primary.

As a moderate centrist/independent, I generally vote for the most pragmatic and least dogmatic candidate in the most relevant primary each cycle. None of my preferred candidates ever have a snowball's chance in hell of winning their primaries.

But I believe functional government in a plural society requires compromise. I won't vote for militant ideologues on either side of the political aisle, particularly those who are intentionally divisive and play performative games to sow fear in their base.

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In other words, you vote for the most squishy candidate. (I kid, I kid).

bear2be2 said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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Rawhide said:

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Cobretti said:

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This second debate descended into the same quagmire of the first debate:

1) The candidate who was polling anywhere from 30-40 percent ahead of the pack was not on the stage and that made it hard for the other candidates to attack their front-running rival in absentia—and almost…

— Victor Davis Hanson (@VDHanson) September 28, 2023

Quote:

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This second debate descended into the same quagmire of the first debate:


1) The candidate who was polling anywhere from 30-40 percent ahead of the pack was not on the stage and that made it hard for the other candidates to attack their front-running rival in absentiaand almost ensured a nihilistic, cannibalistic fight for second and third place and fourth and fifth place and sixth…

That fragmentation is exactly how Trump outsmarted the 2016 field that in toto outnumbered Trump's support but never united behind one or two candidates and thus all were picked off one by one. No candidate, oddly, tried to make the case that Trump is facing 91 indictments and he/she would be in a better position to help Trump and reform a corrupt justice system than a tied-down Trump himself.

2) So there are still too many candidates who are not viable contenders, (Christie, Pence, Scott, Burden) that have little or no chance. Their shouting matches are rhetorical exercises without political consequenceexcept to dilute further the top rivals to Trump. Whatever one might say about the Democratic cabal of March 2020, when the Left realized that a fragmented field might elect Bernie Sanders with a minority of the primary votes, then almost magically after the South Carolina primary the field began to thin and Biden, the only viable candidate in that pathetically weak field, eliminated Sanders. So if Trump does not join, debates will not matter much until perhaps DeSantis debates Haley on the MAGA agenda vs. doctrinaire Republicanism.

3) The shouting one-on-one psychodramas become irrelevant. Oddly Halley was the most guilty, provoking perceived rivals about trivia in their backgrounds and then engaging in a barking match.

Moderators? Why cannot Univision anchor Ilia Caldern pose one or two questions that transcend her own Latino interests, rather than playing to script with same old/same old predictable loaded questions that ignore all other issues like Ukraine, crime, the economy, inflation, etc.?

Why did Dana Perino intervene in Candy Crowley style to remind the audience that Haley's husband served aboard? And why do a "Survivor" schtick of candidates voting others off the stage? In general, the moderators could not control the cross-talk and did not ask the candidates what they thought of the front-runner's positions on the issues.

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Starting to look like a smart political move to avoid the chaos that's disguised as debates

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Pretty genius

Btw w t f was that last question? That's why the Republican debates are such jokes. They'd never do that **** during the Democrat debate.

Amazingly republicans are the only things standing between us and new slavery to the government.

So many voting their own destruction. Even from beyond the grave. I'm sure that extra $1500 a month they spending with little to no nominal pay raise in 3 years doesn't bother them given at least trump is going to prison

Weird lot them peeps

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The Republicans aren't so normal themselves. They've got a host of candidates -- several of them downright decent -- who would bring the conservative fiscal platform they desire, and they're insistent on running the twice impeached and now four-time indicted cult of personality who's already lost to the current geriatric president once.

Neither of our major parties have a particularly good track record when it comes to picking general election candidates or governing once elected. Our electorate just ping pongs between the two, hoping to limit the damage each can do while in power.

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Yup.

Mitch Blood Green said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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1. Ron DeSantis was rock solid tonight. He needs to fine tune his position on abortion. His answer to the last divisive question was beautiful. Said he was not willing to vote any individual on the stage off the island. Doing so would be disrespectful.

2. Chris Christie made his disdain for Trump very clear tonight. But he also was great on policy questions. I think his stock went up greatly tonight. He said he would vote Donald Trump off the island! Most improved from previous debate.

3. Tim Scott was more decisive tonight. Love his answers regarding slavery and racism. He is truly inspiring. He showed a little bit of a fighting to win "mean streak" tonight.

4. Nikki Haley , in my opinion, took a few steps back tonight. Agree with bear2be2. She seemed to want to fight everybody on stage. Not a good look for her. I was disappointed.

5. Vivek Ramaswamy said all the right things but I still don't trust him. Can't quite put my finger on it. Maybe it is the Millennial thing. Perhaps I am biased.

6. Doug Burgum has great ideas and is very likeable. Just don't think he has enough of a national following to be a serious contender.

7. Mike Pence was uninspiring. As a pundit said on FoxNews a couple of weeks back, "Mike Pence has put more people to sleep than Mike Lindell".

Overall, not sure tonight moved the needle much for anyone vs. Trump. We really need at least 3 or 4 of these candidates to bow out for this to happen. We shall see.

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I didn't watch but based on your assessment, why would Trump participate?

What worked for Dems is after SC, they cleared the table for Biden. If they can afford it, they should all continue through NH. If after 3 election, there's 4 candidates and Trump with the high at 16 and the 4 combined at 34, it's Trump again.

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Yup.

In other words, we're ****ed.

Frank Galvin said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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When is anyone just going to say it out loud? This is not a race against Biden, even if his name is on the ticket. This is a battle against an unelected Democrat apparatus plus left leaning bureaucrats who don't care what the citizens really want.

This is a party of more independent thinkers vs. a party that uses an iron fist to keep its ideology pure.
This is a party of free will vs. a party in control of what should be our laboratories of thought - major media, higher education, the majority of "news" outlets, science publications, and major professional organizations (some of which no longer truly speak for the professionals they represent.

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That's rich, given that the GOP has become Donald Trump's personal cult.

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I'd say the post you're responding to is right on the money - regardless of what anyone thinks of Trump.

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Realitybites said:

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Larry Elder would have done a heck of a job in the debates.

That's why the RNC had to exclude him.

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There were too many on the Stage as it was. Hard to have a debate when there are so many talking over each other. When the media declared that idiot Rashwamy the winner of the first one for interrupting it set the stage for last night. I agree with Haley, I get dumber the more I listen to Rashwamy.

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Why do u make fun of his name.?

Mothra said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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1. Ron DeSantis was rock solid tonight. He needs to fine tune his position on abortion. His answer to the last divisive question was beautiful. Said he was not willing to vote any individual on the stage off the island. Doing so would be disrespectful.

2. Chris Christie made his disdain for Trump very clear tonight. But he also was great on policy questions. I think his stock went up greatly tonight. He said he would vote Donald Trump off the island! Most improved from previous debate.

3. Tim Scott was more decisive tonight. Love his answers regarding slavery and racism. He is truly inspiring. He showed a little bit of a fighting to win "mean streak" tonight.

4. Nikki Haley , in my opinion, took a few steps back tonight. Agree with bear2be2. She seemed to want to fight everybody on stage. Not a good look for her. I was disappointed.

5. Vivek Ramaswamy said all the right things but I still don't trust him. Can't quite put my finger on it. Maybe it is the Millennial thing. Perhaps I am biased.

6. Doug Burgum has great ideas and is very likeable. Just don't think he has enough of a national following to be a serious contender.

7. Mike Pence was uninspiring. As a pundit said on FoxNews a couple of weeks back, "Mike Pence has put more people to sleep than Mike Lindell".

Overall, not sure tonight moved the needle much for anyone vs. Trump. We really need at least 3 or 4 of these candidates to bow out for this to happen. We shall see.

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I didn't watch but based on your assessment, why would Trump participate?

What worked for Dems is after SC, they cleared the table for Biden. If they can afford it, they should all continue through NH. If after 3 election, there's 4 candidates and Trump with the high at 16 and the 4 combined at 34, it's Trump again.

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Yup.

In other words, we're ****ed.

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First, it is not a given that Trump gets to the election as an eligible candidate.

Second, DeSantis is right. Polls do not win elections. Trump has not won 1 Primary yet and the negatives keep piling up.

The big issue I see is that there are too many candidates. No one is able to consolidate the ant-Trump vote. There are about 50% of the GOP voters that do not want Trump and will not vote for him. Just give them a choice. Right now, there are too many choices. Next debate has to reduce to 2 or 3. If not, you are right Trump will win with a diluted field. He will get 40% and win.

I do not think the GOP has enough adults left to pragmatically do this election. The ones that they do have are leaving. Trump is counting on it.

1. Ron DeSantis was rock solid tonight. He needs to fine tune his position on abortion. His answer to the last divisive question was beautiful. Said he was not willing to vote any individual on the stage off the island. Doing so would be disrespectful.

DeSantis is strong on policy, track record, ability to operate within the system and faith he would take action (enemies would take him seriously). If he says he would use SOF to take out Cartels, he will. He is weak on presentation and charisma. He is just not a very charismatic person. I line him as President, just don't know if he can win in this media driven culture.

2. Chris Christie made his disdain for Trump very clear tonight. But he also was great on policy questions. I think his stock went up greatly tonight. He said he would vote Donald Trump off the island! Most improved from previous debate.

I actually like him and think he would do a good job as President. He won't win, but he is better than Scott, Pence, Ramaswamy or Burgum.

3. Tim Scott was more decisive tonight. Love his answers regarding slavery and racism. He is truly inspiring. He showed a little bit of a fighting to win "mean streak" tonight.

VP all the way.

4. Nikki Haley , in my opinion, took a few steps back tonight. Agree with bear2be2. She seemed to want to fight everybody on stage. Not a good look for her. I was disappointed.

My wife and I like her the best or think she has the best shot at actually winning the nomination. She is the right mix or pragmatism and human-concern. I think she had to fight to offset the softer image from debate 1. She is the most reasonable on the stage. VP to DeSantis would be interesting. Make her immigration, Drug or AI Czar and it will get done, no doubt she would deliver.

5. Vivek Ramaswamy said all the right things but I still don't trust him. Can't quite put my finger on it. Maybe it is the Millennial thing. Perhaps I am biased.

Clown. He is ridiculous. Over his head. Go back to selling bad drugs for profit. Not a fan in the least.

6. Doug Burgum has great ideas and is very likeable. Just don't think he has enough of a national following to be a serious contender.

Over his head. Like his ideas and his philosophy on the Constitution. But, not for this role. Sec of Interior or Energy, I would be in.


7. Mike Pence was uninspiring. As a pundit said on FoxNews a couple of weeks back, "Mike Pence has put more people to sleep than Mike Lindell".

No... Too close to Trump in a bad way. Sort of creepy and plastic.

Overall, not sure tonight moved the needle much for anyone vs. Trump. We really need at least 3 or 4 of these candidates to bow out for this to happen.

AGREE!!

Frank Galvin said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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When is anyone just going to say it out loud? This is not a race against Biden, even if his name is on the ticket. This is a battle against an unelected Democrat apparatus plus left leaning bureaucrats who don't care what the citizens really want.

This is a party of more independent thinkers vs. a party that uses an iron fist to keep its ideology pure.
This is a party of free will vs. a party in control of what should be our laboratories of thought - major media, higher education, the majority of "news" outlets, science publications, and major professional organizations (some of which no longer truly speak for the professionals they represent.

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That's rich, given that the GOP has become Donald Trump's personal cult.

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That's rich coming for a guy that supports a party where the mantra is often "Vote Blue No Matter Who".

Mothra said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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1. Ron DeSantis was rock solid tonight. He needs to fine tune his position on abortion. His answer to the last divisive question was beautiful. Said he was not willing to vote any individual on the stage off the island. Doing so would be disrespectful.

2. Chris Christie made his disdain for Trump very clear tonight. But he also was great on policy questions. I think his stock went up greatly tonight. He said he would vote Donald Trump off the island! Most improved from previous debate.

3. Tim Scott was more decisive tonight. Love his answers regarding slavery and racism. He is truly inspiring. He showed a little bit of a fighting to win "mean streak" tonight.

4. Nikki Haley , in my opinion, took a few steps back tonight. Agree with bear2be2. She seemed to want to fight everybody on stage. Not a good look for her. I was disappointed.

5. Vivek Ramaswamy said all the right things but I still don't trust him. Can't quite put my finger on it. Maybe it is the Millennial thing. Perhaps I am biased.

6. Doug Burgum has great ideas and is very likeable. Just don't think he has enough of a national following to be a serious contender.

7. Mike Pence was uninspiring. As a pundit said on FoxNews a couple of weeks back, "Mike Pence has put more people to sleep than Mike Lindell".

Overall, not sure tonight moved the needle much for anyone vs. Trump. We really need at least 3 or 4 of these candidates to bow out for this to happen. We shall see.

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I didn't watch but based on your assessment, why would Trump participate?

What worked for Dems is after SC, they cleared the table for Biden. If they can afford it, they should all continue through NH. If after 3 election, there's 4 candidates and Trump with the high at 16 and the 4 combined at 34, it's Trump again.

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Yup.

In other words, we're ****ed.

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We're looking at the real possibility that the Republicans could nominate a convicted felon for president.

I'm interested in seeing IF we get to the convention and Haley is #2 and Trump is convicted in DC and E Jean Carrol gets another judgment and New York fines him $250M what happens.

Mitch Blood Green said:

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Mothra said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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1. Ron DeSantis was rock solid tonight. He needs to fine tune his position on abortion. His answer to the last divisive question was beautiful. Said he was not willing to vote any individual on the stage off the island. Doing so would be disrespectful.

2. Chris Christie made his disdain for Trump very clear tonight. But he also was great on policy questions. I think his stock went up greatly tonight. He said he would vote Donald Trump off the island! Most improved from previous debate.

3. Tim Scott was more decisive tonight. Love his answers regarding slavery and racism. He is truly inspiring. He showed a little bit of a fighting to win "mean streak" tonight.

4. Nikki Haley , in my opinion, took a few steps back tonight. Agree with bear2be2. She seemed to want to fight everybody on stage. Not a good look for her. I was disappointed.

5. Vivek Ramaswamy said all the right things but I still don't trust him. Can't quite put my finger on it. Maybe it is the Millennial thing. Perhaps I am biased.

6. Doug Burgum has great ideas and is very likeable. Just don't think he has enough of a national following to be a serious contender.

7. Mike Pence was uninspiring. As a pundit said on FoxNews a couple of weeks back, "Mike Pence has put more people to sleep than Mike Lindell".

Overall, not sure tonight moved the needle much for anyone vs. Trump. We really need at least 3 or 4 of these candidates to bow out for this to happen. We shall see.

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I didn't watch but based on your assessment, why would Trump participate?

What worked for Dems is after SC, they cleared the table for Biden. If they can afford it, they should all continue through NH. If after 3 election, there's 4 candidates and Trump with the high at 16 and the 4 combined at 34, it's Trump again.

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Yup.

In other words, we're ****ed.

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We're looking at the real possibility that the Republicans could nominate a convicted felon for president.

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We're looking at the real possibility that Democrats will nominate a dementia patient for president (again), who's facing their own criminal charges.

Rawhide said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Mothra said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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1. Ron DeSantis was rock solid tonight. He needs to fine tune his position on abortion. His answer to the last divisive question was beautiful. Said he was not willing to vote any individual on the stage off the island. Doing so would be disrespectful.

2. Chris Christie made his disdain for Trump very clear tonight. But he also was great on policy questions. I think his stock went up greatly tonight. He said he would vote Donald Trump off the island! Most improved from previous debate.

3. Tim Scott was more decisive tonight. Love his answers regarding slavery and racism. He is truly inspiring. He showed a little bit of a fighting to win "mean streak" tonight.

4. Nikki Haley , in my opinion, took a few steps back tonight. Agree with bear2be2. She seemed to want to fight everybody on stage. Not a good look for her. I was disappointed.

5. Vivek Ramaswamy said all the right things but I still don't trust him. Can't quite put my finger on it. Maybe it is the Millennial thing. Perhaps I am biased.

6. Doug Burgum has great ideas and is very likeable. Just don't think he has enough of a national following to be a serious contender.

7. Mike Pence was uninspiring. As a pundit said on FoxNews a couple of weeks back, "Mike Pence has put more people to sleep than Mike Lindell".

Overall, not sure tonight moved the needle much for anyone vs. Trump. We really need at least 3 or 4 of these candidates to bow out for this to happen. We shall see.

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I didn't watch but based on your assessment, why would Trump participate?

What worked for Dems is after SC, they cleared the table for Biden. If they can afford it, they should all continue through NH. If after 3 election, there's 4 candidates and Trump with the high at 16 and the 4 combined at 34, it's Trump again.

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Yup.

In other words, we're ****ed.

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We're looking at the real possibility that the Republicans could nominate a convicted felon for president.

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We're looking at the real possibility that Democrats will nominate a dementia patient for president (again), who's facing their own criminal charges.

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Yep. But some of us live in the real world. A conviction is real. "He may have dementia" isn't proof he has dementia. It's equally possible Trump has dementia.

It I'm not opposed Republican presenting proof that Biden committed a crime. Lots of weak sauce so far.

Rawhide said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Mothra said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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1. Ron DeSantis was rock solid tonight. He needs to fine tune his position on abortion. His answer to the last divisive question was beautiful. Said he was not willing to vote any individual on the stage off the island. Doing so would be disrespectful.

2. Chris Christie made his disdain for Trump very clear tonight. But he also was great on policy questions. I think his stock went up greatly tonight. He said he would vote Donald Trump off the island! Most improved from previous debate.

3. Tim Scott was more decisive tonight. Love his answers regarding slavery and racism. He is truly inspiring. He showed a little bit of a fighting to win "mean streak" tonight.

4. Nikki Haley , in my opinion, took a few steps back tonight. Agree with bear2be2. She seemed to want to fight everybody on stage. Not a good look for her. I was disappointed.

5. Vivek Ramaswamy said all the right things but I still don't trust him. Can't quite put my finger on it. Maybe it is the Millennial thing. Perhaps I am biased.

6. Doug Burgum has great ideas and is very likeable. Just don't think he has enough of a national following to be a serious contender.

7. Mike Pence was uninspiring. As a pundit said on FoxNews a couple of weeks back, "Mike Pence has put more people to sleep than Mike Lindell".

Overall, not sure tonight moved the needle much for anyone vs. Trump. We really need at least 3 or 4 of these candidates to bow out for this to happen. We shall see.

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I didn't watch but based on your assessment, why would Trump participate?

What worked for Dems is after SC, they cleared the table for Biden. If they can afford it, they should all continue through NH. If after 3 election, there's 4 candidates and Trump with the high at 16 and the 4 combined at 34, it's Trump again.

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Yup.

In other words, we're ****ed.

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We're looking at the real possibility that the Republicans could nominate a convicted felon for president.

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We're looking at the real possibility that Democrats will nominate a dementia patient for president (again), who's facing their own criminal charges.

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Both are bad. And partisans on both sides of the political aisle should be ashamed of themselves for giving us a repeat of the 2020 **** show.

bear2be2 said:

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Rawhide said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Mothra said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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1. Ron DeSantis was rock solid tonight. He needs to fine tune his position on abortion. His answer to the last divisive question was beautiful. Said he was not willing to vote any individual on the stage off the island. Doing so would be disrespectful.

2. Chris Christie made his disdain for Trump very clear tonight. But he also was great on policy questions. I think his stock went up greatly tonight. He said he would vote Donald Trump off the island! Most improved from previous debate.

3. Tim Scott was more decisive tonight. Love his answers regarding slavery and racism. He is truly inspiring. He showed a little bit of a fighting to win "mean streak" tonight.

4. Nikki Haley , in my opinion, took a few steps back tonight. Agree with bear2be2. She seemed to want to fight everybody on stage. Not a good look for her. I was disappointed.

5. Vivek Ramaswamy said all the right things but I still don't trust him. Can't quite put my finger on it. Maybe it is the Millennial thing. Perhaps I am biased.

6. Doug Burgum has great ideas and is very likeable. Just don't think he has enough of a national following to be a serious contender.

7. Mike Pence was uninspiring. As a pundit said on FoxNews a couple of weeks back, "Mike Pence has put more people to sleep than Mike Lindell".

Overall, not sure tonight moved the needle much for anyone vs. Trump. We really need at least 3 or 4 of these candidates to bow out for this to happen. We shall see.

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I didn't watch but based on your assessment, why would Trump participate?

What worked for Dems is after SC, they cleared the table for Biden. If they can afford it, they should all continue through NH. If after 3 election, there's 4 candidates and Trump with the high at 16 and the 4 combined at 34, it's Trump again.

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Yup.

In other words, we're ****ed.

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We're looking at the real possibility that the Republicans could nominate a convicted felon for president.

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We're looking at the real possibility that Democrats will nominate a dementia patient for president (again), who's facing their own criminal charges.

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Both are bad. And partisans on both sides of the political aisle should be ashamed of themselves for giving us a repeat of the 2020 **** show.

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Make sure you vote in the Republican primary.

Mitch Blood Green said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Rawhide said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Mothra said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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1. Ron DeSantis was rock solid tonight. He needs to fine tune his position on abortion. His answer to the last divisive question was beautiful. Said he was not willing to vote any individual on the stage off the island. Doing so would be disrespectful.

2. Chris Christie made his disdain for Trump very clear tonight. But he also was great on policy questions. I think his stock went up greatly tonight. He said he would vote Donald Trump off the island! Most improved from previous debate.

3. Tim Scott was more decisive tonight. Love his answers regarding slavery and racism. He is truly inspiring. He showed a little bit of a fighting to win "mean streak" tonight.

4. Nikki Haley , in my opinion, took a few steps back tonight. Agree with bear2be2. She seemed to want to fight everybody on stage. Not a good look for her. I was disappointed.

5. Vivek Ramaswamy said all the right things but I still don't trust him. Can't quite put my finger on it. Maybe it is the Millennial thing. Perhaps I am biased.

6. Doug Burgum has great ideas and is very likeable. Just don't think he has enough of a national following to be a serious contender.

7. Mike Pence was uninspiring. As a pundit said on FoxNews a couple of weeks back, "Mike Pence has put more people to sleep than Mike Lindell".

Overall, not sure tonight moved the needle much for anyone vs. Trump. We really need at least 3 or 4 of these candidates to bow out for this to happen. We shall see.

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I didn't watch but based on your assessment, why would Trump participate?

What worked for Dems is after SC, they cleared the table for Biden. If they can afford it, they should all continue through NH. If after 3 election, there's 4 candidates and Trump with the high at 16 and the 4 combined at 34, it's Trump again.

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Yup.

In other words, we're ****ed.

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We're looking at the real possibility that the Republicans could nominate a convicted felon for president.

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We're looking at the real possibility that Democrats will nominate a dementia patient for president (again), who's facing their own criminal charges.

---

Both are bad. And partisans on both sides of the political aisle should be ashamed of themselves for giving us a repeat of the 2020 **** show.

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Make sure you vote in the Republican primary.

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I will. I always vote in the primary that matters most in a particular election cycle and am thankful that Texas gives independents that choice. But like I said, my preferred candidates never pass the ideological purity tests of either party, so my vote won't have much impact.

Frank Galvin said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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When is anyone just going to say it out loud? This is not a race against Biden, even if his name is on the ticket. This is a battle against an unelected Democrat apparatus plus left leaning bureaucrats who don't care what the citizens really want.

This is a party of more independent thinkers vs. a party that uses an iron fist to keep its ideology pure.
This is a party of free will vs. a party in control of what should be our laboratories of thought - major media, higher education, the majority of "news" outlets, science publications, and major professional organizations (some of which no longer truly speak for the professionals they represent.

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That's rich, given that the GOP has become Donald Trump's personal cult.

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Did the democrat party not cut Bernie off at the knees two primaries in a row so we could have Hillary and Joe as your candidates?

Your party does not want the people to chose their candidate. Even now with an obviously inadequate incumbent the party will not allow others to challenge in a normal primary. RFK is being marginalized. Others know to not rock the boat.

But I'm sure you don't find any of this to be "rich".

bear2be2 said:

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Rawhide said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Mothra said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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1. Ron DeSantis was rock solid tonight. He needs to fine tune his position on abortion. His answer to the last divisive question was beautiful. Said he was not willing to vote any individual on the stage off the island. Doing so would be disrespectful.

2. Chris Christie made his disdain for Trump very clear tonight. But he also was great on policy questions. I think his stock went up greatly tonight. He said he would vote Donald Trump off the island! Most improved from previous debate.

3. Tim Scott was more decisive tonight. Love his answers regarding slavery and racism. He is truly inspiring. He showed a little bit of a fighting to win "mean streak" tonight.

4. Nikki Haley , in my opinion, took a few steps back tonight. Agree with bear2be2. She seemed to want to fight everybody on stage. Not a good look for her. I was disappointed.

5. Vivek Ramaswamy said all the right things but I still don't trust him. Can't quite put my finger on it. Maybe it is the Millennial thing. Perhaps I am biased.

6. Doug Burgum has great ideas and is very likeable. Just don't think he has enough of a national following to be a serious contender.

7. Mike Pence was uninspiring. As a pundit said on FoxNews a couple of weeks back, "Mike Pence has put more people to sleep than Mike Lindell".

Overall, not sure tonight moved the needle much for anyone vs. Trump. We really need at least 3 or 4 of these candidates to bow out for this to happen. We shall see.

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I didn't watch but based on your assessment, why would Trump participate?

What worked for Dems is after SC, they cleared the table for Biden. If they can afford it, they should all continue through NH. If after 3 election, there's 4 candidates and Trump with the high at 16 and the 4 combined at 34, it's Trump again.

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Yup.

In other words, we're ****ed.

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We're looking at the real possibility that the Republicans could nominate a convicted felon for president.

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We're looking at the real possibility that Democrats will nominate a dementia patient for president (again), who's facing their own criminal charges.

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Both are bad. And partisans on both sides of the political aisle should be ashamed of themselves for giving us a repeat of the 2020 **** show.

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Agree with you here, Sir. It is a damn shame that with a country of 335 million people, these two clowns are the best we can come up with.

Mitch Blood Green said:

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Rawhide said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Mothra said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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1. Ron DeSantis was rock solid tonight. He needs to fine tune his position on abortion. His answer to the last divisive question was beautiful. Said he was not willing to vote any individual on the stage off the island. Doing so would be disrespectful.

2. Chris Christie made his disdain for Trump very clear tonight. But he also was great on policy questions. I think his stock went up greatly tonight. He said he would vote Donald Trump off the island! Most improved from previous debate.

3. Tim Scott was more decisive tonight. Love his answers regarding slavery and racism. He is truly inspiring. He showed a little bit of a fighting to win "mean streak" tonight.

4. Nikki Haley , in my opinion, took a few steps back tonight. Agree with bear2be2. She seemed to want to fight everybody on stage. Not a good look for her. I was disappointed.

5. Vivek Ramaswamy said all the right things but I still don't trust him. Can't quite put my finger on it. Maybe it is the Millennial thing. Perhaps I am biased.

6. Doug Burgum has great ideas and is very likeable. Just don't think he has enough of a national following to be a serious contender.

7. Mike Pence was uninspiring. As a pundit said on FoxNews a couple of weeks back, "Mike Pence has put more people to sleep than Mike Lindell".

Overall, not sure tonight moved the needle much for anyone vs. Trump. We really need at least 3 or 4 of these candidates to bow out for this to happen. We shall see.

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I didn't watch but based on your assessment, why would Trump participate?

What worked for Dems is after SC, they cleared the table for Biden. If they can afford it, they should all continue through NH. If after 3 election, there's 4 candidates and Trump with the high at 16 and the 4 combined at 34, it's Trump again.

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Yup.

In other words, we're ****ed.

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We're looking at the real possibility that the Republicans could nominate a convicted felon for president.

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We're looking at the real possibility that Democrats will nominate a dementia patient for president (again), who's facing their own criminal charges.

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Yep. But some of us live in the real world. A conviction is real. "He may have dementia" isn't proof he has dementia. It's equally possible Trump has dementia.

It I'm not opposed Republican presenting proof that Biden committed a crime. Lots of weak sauce so far.

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Yeah - I know what you mean. Things like eye witness testimony, audio/video evidence, actual bank transactional records, proof of shell corporations that have no other possible reason to exist other than being money laundering vehicles, and a fully verified laptop containing evidence of corrupt criminal activity implicating "the big guy" really doesn't prove anything. Now if the Republicans had something REALLY solid like let's say a completely fabricated opposition research dossier, then they'd be in business!!

Johnny Bear said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Rawhide said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Mothra said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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1. Ron DeSantis was rock solid tonight. He needs to fine tune his position on abortion. His answer to the last divisive question was beautiful. Said he was not willing to vote any individual on the stage off the island. Doing so would be disrespectful.

2. Chris Christie made his disdain for Trump very clear tonight. But he also was great on policy questions. I think his stock went up greatly tonight. He said he would vote Donald Trump off the island! Most improved from previous debate.

3. Tim Scott was more decisive tonight. Love his answers regarding slavery and racism. He is truly inspiring. He showed a little bit of a fighting to win "mean streak" tonight.

4. Nikki Haley , in my opinion, took a few steps back tonight. Agree with bear2be2. She seemed to want to fight everybody on stage. Not a good look for her. I was disappointed.

5. Vivek Ramaswamy said all the right things but I still don't trust him. Can't quite put my finger on it. Maybe it is the Millennial thing. Perhaps I am biased.

6. Doug Burgum has great ideas and is very likeable. Just don't think he has enough of a national following to be a serious contender.

7. Mike Pence was uninspiring. As a pundit said on FoxNews a couple of weeks back, "Mike Pence has put more people to sleep than Mike Lindell".

Overall, not sure tonight moved the needle much for anyone vs. Trump. We really need at least 3 or 4 of these candidates to bow out for this to happen. We shall see.

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I didn't watch but based on your assessment, why would Trump participate?

What worked for Dems is after SC, they cleared the table for Biden. If they can afford it, they should all continue through NH. If after 3 election, there's 4 candidates and Trump with the high at 16 and the 4 combined at 34, it's Trump again.

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Yup.

In other words, we're ****ed.

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We're looking at the real possibility that the Republicans could nominate a convicted felon for president.

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We're looking at the real possibility that Democrats will nominate a dementia patient for president (again), who's facing their own criminal charges.

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Yep. But some of us live in the real world. A conviction is real. "He may have dementia" isn't proof he has dementia. It's equally possible Trump has dementia.

It I'm not opposed Republican presenting proof that Biden committed a crime. Lots of weak sauce so far.

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Yeah - I know what you mean. Things like eye witness testimony, audio/video evidence, actual bank transactional records, proof of corporations that have no other possible reason to exist other than being money laundering vehicles, and a fully verified laptop loaded with evidence of corrupt criminal activity implicating "the big guy" really doesn't prove anything. Now if the Republicans had something REALLY solid like let's say a completely fabricated opposition research dossier, then they'd be in business!!

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Trump was impeached for the Steele document? I missed that.

FLBear5630 said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Rawhide said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Mothra said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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1. Ron DeSantis was rock solid tonight. He needs to fine tune his position on abortion. His answer to the last divisive question was beautiful. Said he was not willing to vote any individual on the stage off the island. Doing so would be disrespectful.

2. Chris Christie made his disdain for Trump very clear tonight. But he also was great on policy questions. I think his stock went up greatly tonight. He said he would vote Donald Trump off the island! Most improved from previous debate.

3. Tim Scott was more decisive tonight. Love his answers regarding slavery and racism. He is truly inspiring. He showed a little bit of a fighting to win "mean streak" tonight.

4. Nikki Haley , in my opinion, took a few steps back tonight. Agree with bear2be2. She seemed to want to fight everybody on stage. Not a good look for her. I was disappointed.

5. Vivek Ramaswamy said all the right things but I still don't trust him. Can't quite put my finger on it. Maybe it is the Millennial thing. Perhaps I am biased.

6. Doug Burgum has great ideas and is very likeable. Just don't think he has enough of a national following to be a serious contender.

7. Mike Pence was uninspiring. As a pundit said on FoxNews a couple of weeks back, "Mike Pence has put more people to sleep than Mike Lindell".

Overall, not sure tonight moved the needle much for anyone vs. Trump. We really need at least 3 or 4 of these candidates to bow out for this to happen. We shall see.

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I didn't watch but based on your assessment, why would Trump participate?

What worked for Dems is after SC, they cleared the table for Biden. If they can afford it, they should all continue through NH. If after 3 election, there's 4 candidates and Trump with the high at 16 and the 4 combined at 34, it's Trump again.

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Yup.

In other words, we're ****ed.

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We're looking at the real possibility that the Republicans could nominate a convicted felon for president.

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We're looking at the real possibility that Democrats will nominate a dementia patient for president (again), who's facing their own criminal charges.

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Yep. But some of us live in the real world. A conviction is real. "He may have dementia" isn't proof he has dementia. It's equally possible Trump has dementia.

It I'm not opposed Republican presenting proof that Biden committed a crime. Lots of weak sauce so far.

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Yeah - I know what you mean. Things like eye witness testimony, audio/video evidence, actual bank transactional records, proof of corporations that have no other possible reason to exist other than being money laundering vehicles, and a fully verified laptop loaded with evidence of corrupt criminal activity implicating "the big guy" really doesn't prove anything. Now if the Republicans had something REALLY solid like let's say a completely fabricated opposition research dossier, then they'd be in business!!

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Trump was impeached for the Steele document? I missed that.

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Ever hear of "Russia, Russia, Russia" and the Mueller special counsel investigation that was based on the fabricated Steele Dossier or did you miss that too?

Johnny Bear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Rawhide said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Mothra said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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1. Ron DeSantis was rock solid tonight. He needs to fine tune his position on abortion. His answer to the last divisive question was beautiful. Said he was not willing to vote any individual on the stage off the island. Doing so would be disrespectful.

2. Chris Christie made his disdain for Trump very clear tonight. But he also was great on policy questions. I think his stock went up greatly tonight. He said he would vote Donald Trump off the island! Most improved from previous debate.

3. Tim Scott was more decisive tonight. Love his answers regarding slavery and racism. He is truly inspiring. He showed a little bit of a fighting to win "mean streak" tonight.

4. Nikki Haley , in my opinion, took a few steps back tonight. Agree with bear2be2. She seemed to want to fight everybody on stage. Not a good look for her. I was disappointed.

5. Vivek Ramaswamy said all the right things but I still don't trust him. Can't quite put my finger on it. Maybe it is the Millennial thing. Perhaps I am biased.

6. Doug Burgum has great ideas and is very likeable. Just don't think he has enough of a national following to be a serious contender.

7. Mike Pence was uninspiring. As a pundit said on FoxNews a couple of weeks back, "Mike Pence has put more people to sleep than Mike Lindell".

Overall, not sure tonight moved the needle much for anyone vs. Trump. We really need at least 3 or 4 of these candidates to bow out for this to happen. We shall see.

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I didn't watch but based on your assessment, why would Trump participate?

What worked for Dems is after SC, they cleared the table for Biden. If they can afford it, they should all continue through NH. If after 3 election, there's 4 candidates and Trump with the high at 16 and the 4 combined at 34, it's Trump again.

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Yup.

In other words, we're ****ed.

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We're looking at the real possibility that the Republicans could nominate a convicted felon for president.

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We're looking at the real possibility that Democrats will nominate a dementia patient for president (again), who's facing their own criminal charges.

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Yep. But some of us live in the real world. A conviction is real. "He may have dementia" isn't proof he has dementia. It's equally possible Trump has dementia.

It I'm not opposed Republican presenting proof that Biden committed a crime. Lots of weak sauce so far.

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Yeah - I know what you mean. Things like eye witness testimony, audio/video evidence, actual bank transactional records, proof of corporations that have no other possible reason to exist other than being money laundering vehicles, and a fully verified laptop loaded with evidence of corrupt criminal activity implicating "the big guy" really doesn't prove anything. Now if the Republicans had something REALLY solid like let's say a completely fabricated opposition research dossier, then they'd be in business!!

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Trump was impeached for the Steele document? I missed that.

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Ever hear of "Russia, Russia, Russia" and the Mueller special counsel investigation that was based on the fabricated Steele Dossier or did you miss that too?

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I was under the impression that Trump was impeached for the Ukraine Call and the Jan 6th riot. Acquitted of both. Was there a third?

bear2be2 said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Rawhide said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Mothra said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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1. Ron DeSantis was rock solid tonight. He needs to fine tune his position on abortion. His answer to the last divisive question was beautiful. Said he was not willing to vote any individual on the stage off the island. Doing so would be disrespectful.

2. Chris Christie made his disdain for Trump very clear tonight. But he also was great on policy questions. I think his stock went up greatly tonight. He said he would vote Donald Trump off the island! Most improved from previous debate.

3. Tim Scott was more decisive tonight. Love his answers regarding slavery and racism. He is truly inspiring. He showed a little bit of a fighting to win "mean streak" tonight.

4. Nikki Haley , in my opinion, took a few steps back tonight. Agree with bear2be2. She seemed to want to fight everybody on stage. Not a good look for her. I was disappointed.

5. Vivek Ramaswamy said all the right things but I still don't trust him. Can't quite put my finger on it. Maybe it is the Millennial thing. Perhaps I am biased.

6. Doug Burgum has great ideas and is very likeable. Just don't think he has enough of a national following to be a serious contender.

7. Mike Pence was uninspiring. As a pundit said on FoxNews a couple of weeks back, "Mike Pence has put more people to sleep than Mike Lindell".

Overall, not sure tonight moved the needle much for anyone vs. Trump. We really need at least 3 or 4 of these candidates to bow out for this to happen. We shall see.

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I didn't watch but based on your assessment, why would Trump participate?

What worked for Dems is after SC, they cleared the table for Biden. If they can afford it, they should all continue through NH. If after 3 election, there's 4 candidates and Trump with the high at 16 and the 4 combined at 34, it's Trump again.

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Yup.

In other words, we're ****ed.

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We're looking at the real possibility that the Republicans could nominate a convicted felon for president.

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We're looking at the real possibility that Democrats will nominate a dementia patient for president (again), who's facing their own criminal charges.

---

Both are bad. And partisans on both sides of the political aisle should be ashamed of themselves for giving us a repeat of the 2020 **** show.

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Make sure you vote in the Republican primary.

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I will. I always vote in the primary that matters most in a particular election cycle and am thankful that Texas gives independents that choice. But like I said, my preferred candidates never pass the ideological purity tests of either party, so my vote won't have much impact.

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I hate the primary process for that reason. Typically, by the time the vote gets to Texas, we're stuck with one or two candidates that could win Iowa and South Carolina.

I hope your choice gets through and gives us a good contender.

FLBear5630 said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Rawhide said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Mothra said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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1. Ron DeSantis was rock solid tonight. He needs to fine tune his position on abortion. His answer to the last divisive question was beautiful. Said he was not willing to vote any individual on the stage off the island. Doing so would be disrespectful.

2. Chris Christie made his disdain for Trump very clear tonight. But he also was great on policy questions. I think his stock went up greatly tonight. He said he would vote Donald Trump off the island! Most improved from previous debate.

3. Tim Scott was more decisive tonight. Love his answers regarding slavery and racism. He is truly inspiring. He showed a little bit of a fighting to win "mean streak" tonight.

4. Nikki Haley , in my opinion, took a few steps back tonight. Agree with bear2be2. She seemed to want to fight everybody on stage. Not a good look for her. I was disappointed.

5. Vivek Ramaswamy said all the right things but I still don't trust him. Can't quite put my finger on it. Maybe it is the Millennial thing. Perhaps I am biased.

6. Doug Burgum has great ideas and is very likeable. Just don't think he has enough of a national following to be a serious contender.

7. Mike Pence was uninspiring. As a pundit said on FoxNews a couple of weeks back, "Mike Pence has put more people to sleep than Mike Lindell".

Overall, not sure tonight moved the needle much for anyone vs. Trump. We really need at least 3 or 4 of these candidates to bow out for this to happen. We shall see.

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I didn't watch but based on your assessment, why would Trump participate?

What worked for Dems is after SC, they cleared the table for Biden. If they can afford it, they should all continue through NH. If after 3 election, there's 4 candidates and Trump with the high at 16 and the 4 combined at 34, it's Trump again.

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Yup.

In other words, we're ****ed.

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We're looking at the real possibility that the Republicans could nominate a convicted felon for president.

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We're looking at the real possibility that Democrats will nominate a dementia patient for president (again), who's facing their own criminal charges.

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Yep. But some of us live in the real world. A conviction is real. "He may have dementia" isn't proof he has dementia. It's equally possible Trump has dementia.

It I'm not opposed Republican presenting proof that Biden committed a crime. Lots of weak sauce so far.

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Yeah - I know what you mean. Things like eye witness testimony, audio/video evidence, actual bank transactional records, proof of corporations that have no other possible reason to exist other than being money laundering vehicles, and a fully verified laptop loaded with evidence of corrupt criminal activity implicating "the big guy" really doesn't prove anything. Now if the Republicans had something REALLY solid like let's say a completely fabricated opposition research dossier, then they'd be in business!!

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Trump was impeached for the Steele document? I missed that.

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That was Baylor. Three impeachments. Steele. Morris and possibly Aranda.

I fear Tucker's stroke might stick to us.

(These are jokes. I'm not worried about Aranda, yet. Let see what happens December 15.)