TexasScientist said:

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curtpenn said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Bone Spur Trump is known for disparaging war dead, POWs, and wounded. In Kelly's presence (whose son gave his life in service), said that war dead are losers, and having wounded warriors at events looks bad for him. One of those conversations took place at Arlington National Cemetery in Section 60 (where Iraq and Afghanistan vets are buried) with Trump standing within 5 feet of the headstone marked for 29 year old Lt. Robert Kelly U.S.M.C., Kelly's oldest son.

Gen. Kelly, Trump's longest serving chief of staff, said Trump is "A person that has nothing but contempt for our democratic institutions, our Constitution, and the rule of law. There is nothing more that can be said. God help us."

Trump's behavior is confirmed by a long list of WH staff and employees, including confirmation by "his generals", Milley, Kelly, Mattis, and McMaster. All, including Ambassador John Bolton, and Secretary of State Rex Tillerson Defense Secretary Mark Esper, and Atty. General Barr confirm Kelly's description of Trump, and say he is unfit for office.

Trump has been described as a hollow, empty, self corrupted individual - how could anyone, even those in the MAGA Cult, who has served this country in uniform or otherwise, even think of voting for such an individual?

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We get it; Trump sucks. Nevertheless will still vote for him if he is the nominee in '24. Definitely better than any MarxoFascist dem regardless of the above.

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Better not to vote for either. Trump will attempt to make himself a dictator if he gets back in the WH.

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Sure he will. At least perhaps we getter better judges rather than the certain disasters from the MarxoFascist Dems.

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Even if I believe everything Gen. Kelly said, and I am inclined to believe him, Donald Trump was still better for the military, the unborn, and the county than the current catastrophe in the White House.

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No, Biden is just bad for the country. Trump is an existential threat to democracy.

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Wrong.

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Even if I believe everything Gen. Kelly said, and I am inclined to believe him, Donald Trump was still better for the military, the unborn, and the county than the current catastrophe in the White House.

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No, Biden is just bad for the country. Trump is an existential threat to democracy.

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Democracy is overrated. Grateful we have a republic.

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Wrecks Quan Dough said:

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Even if I believe everything Gen. Kelly said, and I am inclined to believe him, Donald Trump was still better for the military, the unborn, and the county than the current catastrophe in the White House.

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No, Biden is just bad for the country. Trump is an existential threat to democracy.

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Grow up.

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Yes, I think we have all learned by now that Donald Trump is a Meany Head. I will take Meany Head over corrupt, treasonous traitor any ole day.

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LMAO. Trump is excels in corruption, and is a traitor to the Constitution and our country. I don't like Biden and won't vote for him. However,Trump's whole career is one of excelling corrupt business practices and political practices. Trump is the only president in our history who has taken treasonous action against our country. Trump is far more a danger to democracy and our country than Biden.

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So how has Trump taken treasonous action against our country? Because he was angry about an obviously stolen election? Don't give me your weak January 6 b u l l s h i t!!!! As far as I can tell, Trump never received bribes from China, Ukraine, Russia, the Mexican cartels, etc., etc.

Biden deserves to hang from the gallows on the Washington mall. You people never cease to amaze me.

If it happens, I will be there to piss on his casket.

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All the Biden stuff may be true, although they sure are having a hard time proving it. Can't figure if why:

Is it GOP dysfunction
Biden is just a better crook and hid it better Hunter smarter than Eric Trump?.
The evidence isn't there.

Don't know. But so far it has been way easier for Dems to get Trump than GOP to get Biden

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TexasScientist said:

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Yes, I think we have all learned by now that Donald Trump is a Meany Head. I will take Meany Head over corrupt, treasonous traitor any ole day.

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LMAO. Trump is excels in corruption, and is a traitor to the Constitution and our country. I don't like Biden and won't vote for him. However,Trump's whole career is one of excelling corrupt business practices and political practices. Trump is the only president in our history who has taken treasonous action against our country. Trump is far more a danger to democracy and our country than Biden.

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So how has Trump taken treasonous action against our country? Because he was angry about an obviously stolen election? Don't give me your weak January 6 b u l l s h i t!!!! As far as I can tell, Trump never received bribes from China, Ukraine, Russia, the Mexican cartels, etc., etc.

Biden deserves to hang from the gallows on the Washington mall. You people never cease to amaze me.

If it happens, I will be there to piss on his casket.

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Here are the highlights. It goes much deeper. He formulated and disseminated series of lies about the election, conspired and ran an ongoing campaign from Novemeber up to January 21st, to overturn and steal an election. He pressured state elected officials to falsify electoral counts in their states, and to change elector certifications in seven states. He formed false slates of electors from those states and forged their certifications, and then submitted them to Congress. He pressured the VP to throw out the state certified electors and substitute his false slates, or alternatively send them back to the states for recertification. He submitted the same false slates of electors for certification to Congress in the hopes of creating enough of a controversy so the VP could alternatively send the election into the House of Representatives. All to remain in office.

He leaked classified information to the Russian Foreign Minister and others, and he shared classified information with writers and Meadow's staff, he spoke about foreign intelligence regarding North Korea's missile launches at a dinner table in a public setting at Mar a Lago, and he divulged classified nuclear submarine intelligence to foreign nationals. He refused to hand over classified documents, and hid them from the FBI and his own attorneys.

You should read all of the indictments. They go much further and give a detail narrative.

Eventhough I don't like Joe Biden, so far, no one, not even Jim Jordan, has produced any evidence that Joe Biden has done anything that approaches what Trump has done. That's why Rs haven't proceeded to impeach him. So far, they don't have any real evidence of what you're accusing. Jordan's star witness disappeared and it turns out he was a Chinese agent who specialized in trading with Iran to skirt sanctions. And no before you go there, I won't vote for Biden. If you want to get after Biden, get after him over the border, or energy. How he handled Afghanistan. That's where he has failed.

Trump's unfitteness for office stands on its own merits. His unfitness for office has been confirmed over and over by Trump's former staff and high ranking officials - the same people about whom Trump has often stated that "I only appoint the best."

curtpenn said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Bone Spur Trump is known for disparaging war dead, POWs, and wounded. In Kelly's presence (whose son gave his life in service), said that war dead are losers, and having wounded warriors at events looks bad for him. One of those conversations took place at Arlington National Cemetery in Section 60 (where Iraq and Afghanistan vets are buried) with Trump standing within 5 feet of the headstone marked for 29 year old Lt. Robert Kelly U.S.M.C., Kelly's oldest son.

Gen. Kelly, Trump's longest serving chief of staff, said Trump is "A person that has nothing but contempt for our democratic institutions, our Constitution, and the rule of law. There is nothing more that can be said. God help us."

Trump's behavior is confirmed by a long list of WH staff and employees, including confirmation by "his generals", Milley, Kelly, Mattis, and McMaster. All, including Ambassador John Bolton, and Secretary of State Rex Tillerson Defense Secretary Mark Esper, and Atty. General Barr confirm Kelly's description of Trump, and say he is unfit for office.

Trump has been described as a hollow, empty, self corrupted individual - how could anyone, even those in the MAGA Cult, who has served this country in uniform or otherwise, even think of voting for such an individual?

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We get it; Trump sucks. Nevertheless will still vote for him if he is the nominee in '24. Definitely better than any MarxoFascist dem regardless of the above.

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So you choose to vote for a neofascist wanna be dictator who has said the Constitution should be suspended or terminated. There are other alternatives in the Republican Party. There may even be a third party option - possibly Joe Manchin.

TexasScientist said:

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curtpenn said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Bone Spur Trump is known for disparaging war dead, POWs, and wounded. In Kelly's presence (whose son gave his life in service), said that war dead are losers, and having wounded warriors at events looks bad for him. One of those conversations took place at Arlington National Cemetery in Section 60 (where Iraq and Afghanistan vets are buried) with Trump standing within 5 feet of the headstone marked for 29 year old Lt. Robert Kelly U.S.M.C., Kelly's oldest son.

Gen. Kelly, Trump's longest serving chief of staff, said Trump is "A person that has nothing but contempt for our democratic institutions, our Constitution, and the rule of law. There is nothing more that can be said. God help us."

Trump's behavior is confirmed by a long list of WH staff and employees, including confirmation by "his generals", Milley, Kelly, Mattis, and McMaster. All, including Ambassador John Bolton, and Secretary of State Rex Tillerson Defense Secretary Mark Esper, and Atty. General Barr confirm Kelly's description of Trump, and say he is unfit for office.

Trump has been described as a hollow, empty, self corrupted individual - how could anyone, even those in the MAGA Cult, who has served this country in uniform or otherwise, even think of voting for such an individual?

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We get it; Trump sucks. Nevertheless will still vote for him if he is the nominee in '24. Definitely better than any MarxoFascist dem regardless of the above.

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So you choose to vote for a neofascist wanna be dictator who has said the Constitution should be suspended or terminated. There are other alternatives in the Republican Party. There may even be a third party option - possibly Joe Manchin.

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Get help for yourself.

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TexasScientist said:

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curtpenn said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Bone Spur Trump is known for disparaging war dead, POWs, and wounded. In Kelly's presence (whose son gave his life in service), said that war dead are losers, and having wounded warriors at events looks bad for him. One of those conversations took place at Arlington National Cemetery in Section 60 (where Iraq and Afghanistan vets are buried) with Trump standing within 5 feet of the headstone marked for 29 year old Lt. Robert Kelly U.S.M.C., Kelly's oldest son.

Gen. Kelly, Trump's longest serving chief of staff, said Trump is "A person that has nothing but contempt for our democratic institutions, our Constitution, and the rule of law. There is nothing more that can be said. God help us."

Trump's behavior is confirmed by a long list of WH staff and employees, including confirmation by "his generals", Milley, Kelly, Mattis, and McMaster. All, including Ambassador John Bolton, and Secretary of State Rex Tillerson Defense Secretary Mark Esper, and Atty. General Barr confirm Kelly's description of Trump, and say he is unfit for office.

Trump has been described as a hollow, empty, self corrupted individual - how could anyone, even those in the MAGA Cult, who has served this country in uniform or otherwise, even think of voting for such an individual?

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We get it; Trump sucks. Nevertheless will still vote for him if he is the nominee in '24. Definitely better than any MarxoFascist dem regardless of the above.

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Better not to vote for either. Trump will attempt to make himself a dictator if he gets back in the WH.

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Sure he will. At least perhaps we getter better judges rather than the certain disasters from the MarxoFascist Dems.

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You'll get life under the judicial system like Russia has, or Venezuala. I'll take the judicial system we have in this country, for all of its short comings, over any dictatorial judicial system. At least in a democracy, we have the chance to correct wrongs and make changes. We still have the best system.

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TexasScientist said:

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Even if I believe everything Gen. Kelly said, and I am inclined to believe him, Donald Trump was still better for the military, the unborn, and the county than the current catastrophe in the White House.

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No, Biden is just bad for the country. Trump is an existential threat to democracy.

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Wrong.

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Look no further than all of the indictments. It's abundantly clear to anyone who is outside of the cult. Trump's in his own words has told you what he wants. He's already suggested that the Constitution be changed so he can remain in office beyond term limits. That's essentially how Putin got where he is.

TexasScientist said:

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curtpenn said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Bone Spur Trump is known for disparaging war dead, POWs, and wounded. In Kelly's presence (whose son gave his life in service), said that war dead are losers, and having wounded warriors at events looks bad for him. One of those conversations took place at Arlington National Cemetery in Section 60 (where Iraq and Afghanistan vets are buried) with Trump standing within 5 feet of the headstone marked for 29 year old Lt. Robert Kelly U.S.M.C., Kelly's oldest son.

Gen. Kelly, Trump's longest serving chief of staff, said Trump is "A person that has nothing but contempt for our democratic institutions, our Constitution, and the rule of law. There is nothing more that can be said. God help us."

Trump's behavior is confirmed by a long list of WH staff and employees, including confirmation by "his generals", Milley, Kelly, Mattis, and McMaster. All, including Ambassador John Bolton, and Secretary of State Rex Tillerson Defense Secretary Mark Esper, and Atty. General Barr confirm Kelly's description of Trump, and say he is unfit for office.

Trump has been described as a hollow, empty, self corrupted individual - how could anyone, even those in the MAGA Cult, who has served this country in uniform or otherwise, even think of voting for such an individual?

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We get it; Trump sucks. Nevertheless will still vote for him if he is the nominee in '24. Definitely better than any MarxoFascist dem regardless of the above.

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Better not to vote for either. Trump will attempt to make himself a dictator if he gets back in the WH.

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Why didn't Trump just make himself a dictator in May of 2020, seizing control in the name of "fighting Covid"? National lockdown, martial law - it was all set up perfectly, if he had wanted it.

curtpenn said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Even if I believe everything Gen. Kelly said, and I am inclined to believe him, Donald Trump was still better for the military, the unborn, and the county than the current catastrophe in the White House.

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No, Biden is just bad for the country. Trump is an existential threat to democracy.

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Democracy is overrated. Grateful we have a republic.

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We have a democratic republic that has served us well, with all of its short comings. Trump is an existential threat to that republic. He conflates loyalty to the country with himself. He has no loyalty to anyone, institution, or any cause greater than his own personal interests. That's the nature of malignant narcissists. They are socio/psychopaths, they have no moral compass, no empathy, encapable of caring for or having a normal relationship with anyone else, and are self consumed. That kind of person shouldn't be anywhere near the White House.

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TexasScientist said:

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curtpenn said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Bone Spur Trump is known for disparaging war dead, POWs, and wounded. In Kelly's presence (whose son gave his life in service), said that war dead are losers, and having wounded warriors at events looks bad for him. One of those conversations took place at Arlington National Cemetery in Section 60 (where Iraq and Afghanistan vets are buried) with Trump standing within 5 feet of the headstone marked for 29 year old Lt. Robert Kelly U.S.M.C., Kelly's oldest son.

Gen. Kelly, Trump's longest serving chief of staff, said Trump is "A person that has nothing but contempt for our democratic institutions, our Constitution, and the rule of law. There is nothing more that can be said. God help us."

Trump's behavior is confirmed by a long list of WH staff and employees, including confirmation by "his generals", Milley, Kelly, Mattis, and McMaster. All, including Ambassador John Bolton, and Secretary of State Rex Tillerson Defense Secretary Mark Esper, and Atty. General Barr confirm Kelly's description of Trump, and say he is unfit for office.

Trump has been described as a hollow, empty, self corrupted individual - how could anyone, even those in the MAGA Cult, who has served this country in uniform or otherwise, even think of voting for such an individual?

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We get it; Trump sucks. Nevertheless will still vote for him if he is the nominee in '24. Definitely better than any MarxoFascist dem regardless of the above.

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So you choose to vote for a neofascist wanna be dictator who has said the Constitution should be suspended or terminated. There are other alternatives in the Republican Party. There may even be a third party option - possibly Joe Manchin.

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Get help for yourself.

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I'm not the one who needs help. I support our country, and its current form of government. You won't like what's coming as the alternative.

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https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/02/politics/john-kelly-donald-trump-us-service-members-veterans/index.html

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Hilarious!! Now do Biden!!

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curtpenn said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Bone Spur Trump is known for disparaging war dead, POWs, and wounded. In Kelly's presence (whose son gave his life in service), said that war dead are losers, and having wounded warriors at events looks bad for him. One of those conversations took place at Arlington National Cemetery in Section 60 (where Iraq and Afghanistan vets are buried) with Trump standing within 5 feet of the headstone marked for 29 year old Lt. Robert Kelly U.S.M.C., Kelly's oldest son.

Gen. Kelly, Trump's longest serving chief of staff, said Trump is "A person that has nothing but contempt for our democratic institutions, our Constitution, and the rule of law. There is nothing more that can be said. God help us."

Trump's behavior is confirmed by a long list of WH staff and employees, including confirmation by "his generals", Milley, Kelly, Mattis, and McMaster. All, including Ambassador John Bolton, and Secretary of State Rex Tillerson Defense Secretary Mark Esper, and Atty. General Barr confirm Kelly's description of Trump, and say he is unfit for office.

Trump has been described as a hollow, empty, self corrupted individual - how could anyone, even those in the MAGA Cult, who has served this country in uniform or otherwise, even think of voting for such an individual?

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We get it; Trump sucks. Nevertheless will still vote for him if he is the nominee in '24. Definitely better than any MarxoFascist dem regardless of the above.

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So you choose to vote for a neofascist wanna be dictator who has said the Constitution should be suspended or terminated. There are other alternatives in the Republican Party. There may even be a third party option - possibly Joe Manchin.

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Vs. a guy that actually ignores the Constitution (even says he's doing so), acts by fiat (executive order) in patently unconstitutional ways, and dares anyone to stop him.

The principled alternative to Trump...is that your argument? Yikes!

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https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/02/politics/john-kelly-donald-trump-us-service-members-veterans/index.html

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Hilarious!! Now do Biden!!

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Just curious. Why does their have to be a Biden response to a Trump situation?

When they show a Biden or Hunter situation, should they hunt down a Trump one to "keep it even"?

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TexasScientist said:

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Yes, I think we have all learned by now that Donald Trump is a Meany Head. I will take Meany Head over corrupt, treasonous traitor any ole day.

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LMAO. Trump is excels in corruption, and is a traitor to the Constitution and our country. I don't like Biden and won't vote for him. However,Trump's whole career is one of excelling corrupt business practices and political practices. Trump is the only president in our history who has taken treasonous action against our country. Trump is far more a danger to democracy and our country than Biden.

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So how has Trump taken treasonous action against our country? Because he was angry about an obviously stolen election? Don't give me your weak January 6 b u l l s h i t!!!! As far as I can tell, Trump never received bribes from China, Ukraine, Russia, the Mexican cartels, etc., etc.

Biden deserves to hang from the gallows on the Washington mall. You people never cease to amaze me.

If it happens, I will be there to piss on his casket.

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Here are the highlights. It goes much deeper. He formulated and disseminated series of lies about the election, conspired and ran an ongoing campaign from Novemeber up to January 21st, to overturn and steal an election. He pressured state elected officials to falsify electoral counts in their states, and to change elector certifications in seven states. He formed false slates of electors from those states and forged their certifications, and then submitted them to Congress. He pressured the VP to throw out the state certified electors and substitute his false slates, or alternatively send them back to the states for recertification. He submitted the same false slates of electors for certification to Congress in the hopes of creating enough of a controversy so the VP could alternatively send the election into the House of Representatives. All to remain in office.

He leaked classified information to the Russian Foreign Minister and others, and he shared classified information with writers and Meadow's staff, he spoke about foreign intelligence regarding North Korea's missile launches at a dinner table in a public setting at Mar a Lago, and he divulged classified nuclear submarine intelligence to foreign nationals. He refused to hand over classified documents, and hid them from the FBI and his own attorneys.

You should read all of the indictments. They go much further and give a detail narrative.

Eventhough I don't like Joe Biden, so far, no one, not even Jim Jordan, has produced any evidence that Joe Biden has done anything that approaches what Trump has done. That's why Rs haven't proceeded to impeach him. So far, they don't have any real evidence of what you're accusing. Jordan's star witness disappeared and it turns out he was a Chinese agent who specialized in trading with Iran to skirt sanctions. And no before you go there, I won't vote for Biden. If you want to get after Biden, get after him over the border, or energy. How he handled Afghanistan. That's where he has failed.

Trump's unfitteness for office stands on its own merits. His unfitness for office has been confirmed over and over by Trump's former staff and high ranking officials - the same people about whom Trump has often stated that "I only appoint the best."

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Whatever. MarxoFascist Dems already pre rigged the so called "election". This is old news. Trump is simply less "unfit" than any dem. Sad situation, but there it is.

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TexasScientist said:

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Bone Spur Trump is known for disparaging war dead, POWs, and wounded. In Kelly's presence (whose son gave his life in service), said that war dead are losers, and having wounded warriors at events looks bad for him. One of those conversations took place at Arlington National Cemetery in Section 60 (where Iraq and Afghanistan vets are buried) with Trump standing within 5 feet of the headstone marked for 29 year old Lt. Robert Kelly U.S.M.C., Kelly's oldest son.

Gen. Kelly, Trump's longest serving chief of staff, said Trump is "A person that has nothing but contempt for our democratic institutions, our Constitution, and the rule of law. There is nothing more that can be said. God help us."

Trump's behavior is confirmed by a long list of WH staff and employees, including confirmation by "his generals", Milley, Kelly, Mattis, and McMaster. All, including Ambassador John Bolton, and Secretary of State Rex Tillerson Defense Secretary Mark Esper, and Atty. General Barr confirm Kelly's description of Trump, and say he is unfit for office.

Trump has been described as a hollow, empty, self corrupted individual - how could anyone, even those in the MAGA Cult, who has served this country in uniform or otherwise, even think of voting for such an individual?

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We get it; Trump sucks. Nevertheless will still vote for him if he is the nominee in '24. Definitely better than any MarxoFascist dem regardless of the above.

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Better not to vote for either. Trump will attempt to make himself a dictator if he gets back in the WH.

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Why didn't Trump just make himself a dictator in May of 2020, seizing control in the name of "fighting Covid"? National lockdown, martial law - it was all set up perfectly, if he had wanted it.

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What you saw was his ham handed attempt to seize control. He was unsuccessful only because he was and still is incredibly ignorant about how government works (among many other things), and he didn't know how to effectively go about it. He didn't have enough enablers in place who would go along with it, and indeed Kelly and others were the guardrails in the WH reining him in from his worst impulses until he got rid of them and replaced them with the likes of Mark Meadows and worse. Read the indictments. It's all laid out there in plain English, and in expressive detail for an indictment. We're incredibly lucky Pence didn't play ball.

There won't be anyone like that in his second term. He'll be surrounded by people like Sidney Powell, John Eastman, Steve Bannon, Mike Flynn, and Rudy Giuliani, in key positions the next time, if he gets that chance.

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Even if I believe everything Gen. Kelly said, and I am inclined to believe him, Donald Trump was still better for the military, the unborn, and the county than the current catastrophe in the White House.

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No, Biden is just bad for the country. Trump is an existential threat to democracy.

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Democracy is overrated. Grateful we have a republic.

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We have a democratic republic that has served us well, with all of its short comings. Trump is an existential threat to that republic. He conflates loyalty to the country with himself. He has no loyalty to anyone, institution, or any cause greater than his own personal interests. That's the nature of malignant narcissists. They are socio/psychopaths, they have no moral compass, no empathy, encapable of caring for or having a normal relationship with anyone else, and are self consumed. That kind of person shouldn't be anywhere near the White House.

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Still better than any dem. This is not hard.

You have hearsay and you have it directly in front of you...

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TexasScientist said:

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Yes, I think we have all learned by now that Donald Trump is a Meany Head. I will take Meany Head over corrupt, treasonous traitor any ole day.

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LMAO. Trump is excels in corruption, and is a traitor to the Constitution and our country. I don't like Biden and won't vote for him. However,Trump's whole career is one of excelling corrupt business practices and political practices. Trump is the only president in our history who has taken treasonous action against our country. Trump is far more a danger to democracy and our country than Biden.

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So how has Trump taken treasonous action against our country? Because he was angry about an obviously stolen election? Don't give me your weak January 6 b u l l s h i t!!!! As far as I can tell, Trump never received bribes from China, Ukraine, Russia, the Mexican cartels, etc., etc.

Biden deserves to hang from the gallows on the Washington mall. You people never cease to amaze me.

If it happens, I will be there to piss on his casket.

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Here are the highlights. It goes much deeper. He formulated and disseminated series of lies about the election, conspired and ran an ongoing campaign from Novemeber up to January 21st, to overturn and steal an election. He pressured state elected officials to falsify electoral counts in their states, and to change elector certifications in seven states. He formed false slates of electors from those states and forged their certifications, and then submitted them to Congress. He pressured the VP to throw out the state certified electors and substitute his false slates, or alternatively send them back to the states for recertification. He submitted the same false slates of electors for certification to Congress in the hopes of creating enough of a controversy so the VP could alternatively send the election into the House of Representatives. All to remain in office.

He leaked classified information to the Russian Foreign Minister and others, and he shared classified information with writers and Meadow's staff, he spoke about foreign intelligence regarding North Korea's missile launches at a dinner table in a public setting at Mar a Lago, and he divulged classified nuclear submarine intelligence to foreign nationals. He refused to hand over classified documents, and hid them from the FBI and his own attorneys.

You should read all of the indictments. They go much further and give a detail narrative.

Eventhough I don't like Joe Biden, so far, no one, not even Jim Jordan, has produced any evidence that Joe Biden has done anything that approaches what Trump has done. That's why Rs haven't proceeded to impeach him. So far, they don't have any real evidence of what you're accusing. Jordan's star witness disappeared and it turns out he was a Chinese agent who specialized in trading with Iran to skirt sanctions. And no before you go there, I won't vote for Biden. If you want to get after Biden, get after him over the border, or energy. How he handled Afghanistan. That's where he has failed.

Trump's unfitteness for office stands on its own merits. His unfitness for office has been confirmed over and over by Trump's former staff and high ranking officials - the same people about whom Trump has often stated that "I only appoint the best."

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If you people steal another election, you will get to see what a real insurrection looks like. And it will not be pretty. It will make January 6th look like a four year old little girl's tea party.

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https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/02/politics/john-kelly-donald-trump-us-service-members-veterans/index.html

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Hilarious!! Now do Biden!!

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Just curious. Why does their have to be a Biden response to a Trump situation?

When they show a Biden or Hunter situation, should they hunt down a Trump one to "keep it even"?

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It isn't scorekeeping or an effort at "fairness" to point out, in a context where we actually have to decide between these two drooling oafs, that the other side of the coin is pretty horrible.

The primary/party system is broken.

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https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/02/politics/john-kelly-donald-trump-us-service-members-veterans/index.html

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Hilarious!! Now do Biden!!

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Let's do that. Where are the former staff, advisors, and government officials to come forward and make revelations like those who revealed what Trump did. I'm all for it. I'd like to get rid of Biden too. Unfortunately, even though I don't like Biden's policies and I have questions about is financial ties, he hasn't conducted himself in the boorish and reckless manner that Trump has. To the point of the article, when has Biden disparaged war veterans, wounded and dead?

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Even if I believe everything Gen. Kelly said, and I am inclined to believe him, Donald Trump was still better for the military, the unborn, and the county than the current catastrophe in the White House.

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No, Biden is just bad for the country. Trump is an existential threat to democracy.

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Democracy is overrated. Grateful we have a republic.

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We have a democratic republic that has served us well, with all of its short comings. Trump is an existential threat to that republic. He conflates loyalty to the country with himself. He has no loyalty to anyone, institution, or any cause greater than his own personal interests. That's the nature of malignant narcissists. They are socio/psychopaths, they have no moral compass, no empathy, encapable of caring for or having a normal relationship with anyone else, and are self consumed. That kind of person shouldn't be anywhere near the White House.

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Still better than any dem. This is not hard.

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It's not hard for the hoodwinked.

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TexasScientist said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Yes, I think we have all learned by now that Donald Trump is a Meany Head. I will take Meany Head over corrupt, treasonous traitor any ole day.

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LMAO. Trump is excels in corruption, and is a traitor to the Constitution and our country. I don't like Biden and won't vote for him. However,Trump's whole career is one of excelling corrupt business practices and political practices. Trump is the only president in our history who has taken treasonous action against our country. Trump is far more a danger to democracy and our country than Biden.

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So how has Trump taken treasonous action against our country? Because he was angry about an obviously stolen election? Don't give me your weak January 6 b u l l s h i t!!!! As far as I can tell, Trump never received bribes from China, Ukraine, Russia, the Mexican cartels, etc., etc.

Biden deserves to hang from the gallows on the Washington mall. You people never cease to amaze me.

If it happens, I will be there to piss on his casket.

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Here are the highlights. It goes much deeper. He formulated and disseminated series of lies about the election, conspired and ran an ongoing campaign from Novemeber up to January 21st, to overturn and steal an election. He pressured state elected officials to falsify electoral counts in their states, and to change elector certifications in seven states. He formed false slates of electors from those states and forged their certifications, and then submitted them to Congress. He pressured the VP to throw out the state certified electors and substitute his false slates, or alternatively send them back to the states for recertification. He submitted the same false slates of electors for certification to Congress in the hopes of creating enough of a controversy so the VP could alternatively send the election into the House of Representatives. All to remain in office.

He leaked classified information to the Russian Foreign Minister and others, and he shared classified information with writers and Meadow's staff, he spoke about foreign intelligence regarding North Korea's missile launches at a dinner table in a public setting at Mar a Lago, and he divulged classified nuclear submarine intelligence to foreign nationals. He refused to hand over classified documents, and hid them from the FBI and his own attorneys.

You should read all of the indictments. They go much further and give a detail narrative.

Eventhough I don't like Joe Biden, so far, no one, not even Jim Jordan, has produced any evidence that Joe Biden has done anything that approaches what Trump has done. That's why Rs haven't proceeded to impeach him. So far, they don't have any real evidence of what you're accusing. Jordan's star witness disappeared and it turns out he was a Chinese agent who specialized in trading with Iran to skirt sanctions. And no before you go there, I won't vote for Biden. If you want to get after Biden, get after him over the border, or energy. How he handled Afghanistan. That's where he has failed.

Trump's unfitteness for office stands on its own merits. His unfitness for office has been confirmed over and over by Trump's former staff and high ranking officials - the same people about whom Trump has often stated that "I only appoint the best."

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If you people steal another election, you will get to see what a real insurrection looks like. And it will not be pretty. It will make January 6th look like a four year old little girl's tea party.

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Ok, where is your evidence of a stolen election, other than Trump's attempt to steal an election. So far, no evidence has been produced. Giuliani when confronted under oath said there was no evidence. Roger Stone came up with the concept of claiming a stolen election. You've been hoodwinked.

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Even if I believe everything Gen. Kelly said, and I am inclined to believe him, Donald Trump was still better for the military, the unborn, and the county than the current catastrophe in the White House.

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No, Biden is just bad for the country. Trump is an existential threat to democracy.

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Democracy is overrated. Grateful we have a republic.

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We have a democratic republic that has served us well, with all of its short comings. Trump is an existential threat to that republic. He conflates loyalty to the country with himself. He has no loyalty to anyone, institution, or any cause greater than his own personal interests. That's the nature of malignant narcissists. They are socio/psychopaths, they have no moral compass, no empathy, encapable of caring for or having a normal relationship with anyone else, and are self consumed. That kind of person shouldn't be anywhere near the White House.

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Still better than any dem. This is not hard.

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It's not hard for the hoodwinked.

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Apparently it was hard for the "81 million" .

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Bone Spur Trump is known for disparaging war dead, POWs, and wounded. In Kelly's presence (whose son gave his life in service), said that war dead are losers, and having wounded warriors at events looks bad for him. One of those conversations took place at Arlington National Cemetery in Section 60 (where Iraq and Afghanistan vets are buried) with Trump standing within 5 feet of the headstone marked for 29 year old Lt. Robert Kelly U.S.M.C., Kelly's oldest son.

Gen. Kelly, Trump's longest serving chief of staff, said Trump is "A person that has nothing but contempt for our democratic institutions, our Constitution, and the rule of law. There is nothing more that can be said. God help us."

Trump's behavior is confirmed by a long list of WH staff and employees, including confirmation by "his generals", Milley, Kelly, Mattis, and McMaster. All, including Ambassador John Bolton, and Secretary of State Rex Tillerson Defense Secretary Mark Esper, and Atty. General Barr confirm Kelly's description of Trump, and say he is unfit for office.

Trump has been described as a hollow, empty, self corrupted individual - how could anyone, even those in the MAGA Cult, who has served this country in uniform or otherwise, even think of voting for such an individual?

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We get it; Trump sucks. Nevertheless will still vote for him if he is the nominee in '24. Definitely better than any MarxoFascist dem regardless of the above.

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So you choose to vote for a neofascist wanna be dictator who has said the Constitution should be suspended or terminated. There are other alternatives in the Republican Party. There may even be a third party option - possibly Joe Manchin.

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Get help for yourself.

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I'm not the one who needs help. I support our country, and its current form of government. You won't like what's coming as the alternative.

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Yeah, it is people who see things your way bringing the alternative. You want your out-of-control administrative state, then you can keep your out-of-control administrative state.

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TexasScientist said:

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Yes, I think we have all learned by now that Donald Trump is a Meany Head. I will take Meany Head over corrupt, treasonous traitor any ole day.

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LMAO. Trump is excels in corruption, and is a traitor to the Constitution and our country. I don't like Biden and won't vote for him. However,Trump's whole career is one of excelling corrupt business practices and political practices. Trump is the only president in our history who has taken treasonous action against our country. Trump is far more a danger to democracy and our country than Biden.

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So how has Trump taken treasonous action against our country? Because he was angry about an obviously stolen election? Don't give me your weak January 6 b u l l s h i t!!!! As far as I can tell, Trump never received bribes from China, Ukraine, Russia, the Mexican cartels, etc., etc.

Biden deserves to hang from the gallows on the Washington mall. You people never cease to amaze me.

If it happens, I will be there to piss on his casket.

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Here are the highlights. It goes much deeper. He formulated and disseminated series of lies about the election, conspired and ran an ongoing campaign from Novemeber up to January 21st, to overturn and steal an election. He pressured state elected officials to falsify electoral counts in their states, and to change elector certifications in seven states. He formed false slates of electors from those states and forged their certifications, and then submitted them to Congress. He pressured the VP to throw out the state certified electors and substitute his false slates, or alternatively send them back to the states for recertification. He submitted the same false slates of electors for certification to Congress in the hopes of creating enough of a controversy so the VP could alternatively send the election into the House of Representatives. All to remain in office.

He leaked classified information to the Russian Foreign Minister and others, and he shared classified information with writers and Meadow's staff, he spoke about foreign intelligence regarding North Korea's missile launches at a dinner table in a public setting at Mar a Lago, and he divulged classified nuclear submarine intelligence to foreign nationals. He refused to hand over classified documents, and hid them from the FBI and his own attorneys.

You should read all of the indictments. They go much further and give a detail narrative.

Eventhough I don't like Joe Biden, so far, no one, not even Jim Jordan, has produced any evidence that Joe Biden has done anything that approaches what Trump has done. That's why Rs haven't proceeded to impeach him. So far, they don't have any real evidence of what you're accusing. Jordan's star witness disappeared and it turns out he was a Chinese agent who specialized in trading with Iran to skirt sanctions. And no before you go there, I won't vote for Biden. If you want to get after Biden, get after him over the border, or energy. How he handled Afghanistan. That's where he has failed.

Trump's unfitteness for office stands on its own merits. His unfitness for office has been confirmed over and over by Trump's former staff and high ranking officials - the same people about whom Trump has often stated that "I only appoint the best."

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If you people steal another election, you will get to see what a real insurrection looks like. And it will not be pretty. It will make January 6th look like a four year old little girl's tea party.

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Ok, where is your evidence of a stolen election, other than Trump's attempt to steal an election. So far, no evidence has been produced. Giuliani when confronted under oath said there was no evidence. Roger Stone came up with the concept of claiming a stolen election. You've been hoodwinked.

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If you sincerely believe the 2020 election wasn't irregular, then you've been hoodwinked.

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TexasScientist said:

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Yes, I think we have all learned by now that Donald Trump is a Meany Head. I will take Meany Head over corrupt, treasonous traitor any ole day.

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LMAO. Trump is excels in corruption, and is a traitor to the Constitution and our country. I don't like Biden and won't vote for him. However,Trump's whole career is one of excelling corrupt business practices and political practices. Trump is the only president in our history who has taken treasonous action against our country. Trump is far more a danger to democracy and our country than Biden.

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So how has Trump taken treasonous action against our country? Because he was angry about an obviously stolen election? Don't give me your weak January 6 b u l l s h i t!!!! As far as I can tell, Trump never received bribes from China, Ukraine, Russia, the Mexican cartels, etc., etc.

Biden deserves to hang from the gallows on the Washington mall. You people never cease to amaze me.

If it happens, I will be there to piss on his casket.

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Here are the highlights. It goes much deeper. He formulated and disseminated series of lies about the election, conspired and ran an ongoing campaign from Novemeber up to January 21st, to overturn and steal an election. He pressured state elected officials to falsify electoral counts in their states, and to change elector certifications in seven states. He formed false slates of electors from those states and forged their certifications, and then submitted them to Congress. He pressured the VP to throw out the state certified electors and substitute his false slates, or alternatively send them back to the states for recertification. He submitted the same false slates of electors for certification to Congress in the hopes of creating enough of a controversy so the VP could alternatively send the election into the House of Representatives. All to remain in office.

He leaked classified information to the Russian Foreign Minister and others, and he shared classified information with writers and Meadow's staff, he spoke about foreign intelligence regarding North Korea's missile launches at a dinner table in a public setting at Mar a Lago, and he divulged classified nuclear submarine intelligence to foreign nationals. He refused to hand over classified documents, and hid them from the FBI and his own attorneys.

You should read all of the indictments. They go much further and give a detail narrative.

Eventhough I don't like Joe Biden, so far, no one, not even Jim Jordan, has produced any evidence that Joe Biden has done anything that approaches what Trump has done. That's why Rs haven't proceeded to impeach him. So far, they don't have any real evidence of what you're accusing. Jordan's star witness disappeared and it turns out he was a Chinese agent who specialized in trading with Iran to skirt sanctions. And no before you go there, I won't vote for Biden. If you want to get after Biden, get after him over the border, or energy. How he handled Afghanistan. That's where he has failed.

Trump's unfitteness for office stands on its own merits. His unfitness for office has been confirmed over and over by Trump's former staff and high ranking officials - the same people about whom Trump has often stated that "I only appoint the best."

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If you people steal another election, you will get to see what a real insurrection looks like. And it will not be pretty. It will make January 6th look like a four year old little girl's tea party.

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Ok, where is your evidence of a stolen election, other than Trump's attempt to steal an election. So far, no evidence has been produced. Giuliani when confronted under oath said there was no evidence. Roger Stone came up with the concept of claiming a stolen election. You've been hoodwinked.

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Barack Obama - 69 million votes
Joe Biden - 81 million votes

Ummmm........No. Did not happen.

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TexasScientist said:

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TexasScientist said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Bone Spur Trump is known for disparaging war dead, POWs, and wounded. In Kelly's presence (whose son gave his life in service), said that war dead are losers, and having wounded warriors at events looks bad for him. One of those conversations took place at Arlington National Cemetery in Section 60 (where Iraq and Afghanistan vets are buried) with Trump standing within 5 feet of the headstone marked for 29 year old Lt. Robert Kelly U.S.M.C., Kelly's oldest son.

Gen. Kelly, Trump's longest serving chief of staff, said Trump is "A person that has nothing but contempt for our democratic institutions, our Constitution, and the rule of law. There is nothing more that can be said. God help us."

Trump's behavior is confirmed by a long list of WH staff and employees, including confirmation by "his generals", Milley, Kelly, Mattis, and McMaster. All, including Ambassador John Bolton, and Secretary of State Rex Tillerson Defense Secretary Mark Esper, and Atty. General Barr confirm Kelly's description of Trump, and say he is unfit for office.

Trump has been described as a hollow, empty, self corrupted individual - how could anyone, even those in the MAGA Cult, who has served this country in uniform or otherwise, even think of voting for such an individual?

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We get it; Trump sucks. Nevertheless will still vote for him if he is the nominee in '24. Definitely better than any MarxoFascist dem regardless of the above.

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So you choose to vote for a neofascist wanna be dictator who has said the Constitution should be suspended or terminated. There are other alternatives in the Republican Party. There may even be a third party option - possibly Joe Manchin.

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Get help for yourself.

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I'm not the one who needs help. I support our country, and its current form of government. You won't like what's coming as the alternative.

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Yeah, it is people who see things your way bringing the alternative. You want your out-of-control administrative state, then you can keep your out-of-control administrative state.

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Google Robespierre

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https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/02/politics/john-kelly-donald-trump-us-service-members-veterans/index.html

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Hilarious!! Now do Biden!!

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Just curious. Why does their have to be a Biden response to a Trump situation?

When they show a Biden or Hunter situation, should they hunt down a Trump one to "keep it even"?

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It isn't scorekeeping or an effort at "fairness" to point out, in a context where we actually have to decide between these two drooling oafs, that the other side of the coin is pretty horrible.

The primary/party system is broken.

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Yeah we do. I just don't think saying "He did that, why isn't he being investigated?" is an effective strategy or solves either of the issues whether they are crooks or not. It is the weakest argument.


I do not think Biden is the nominee for the Dems and the GOP will be so vested in Trump it is going to be impossible to back out.

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Yes, I think we have all learned by now that Donald Trump is a Meany Head. I will take Meany Head over corrupt, treasonous traitor any ole day.

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LMAO. Trump is excels in corruption, and is a traitor to the Constitution and our country. I don't like Biden and won't vote for him. However,Trump's whole career is one of excelling corrupt business practices and political practices. Trump is the only president in our history who has taken treasonous action against our country. Trump is far more a danger to democracy and our country than Biden.

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So how has Trump taken treasonous action against our country? Because he was angry about an obviously stolen election? Don't give me your weak January 6 b u l l s h i t!!!! As far as I can tell, Trump never received bribes from China, Ukraine, Russia, the Mexican cartels, etc., etc.

Biden deserves to hang from the gallows on the Washington mall. You people never cease to amaze me.

If it happens, I will be there to piss on his casket.

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Here are the highlights. It goes much deeper. He formulated and disseminated series of lies about the election, conspired and ran an ongoing campaign from Novemeber up to January 21st, to overturn and steal an election. He pressured state elected officials to falsify electoral counts in their states, and to change elector certifications in seven states. He formed false slates of electors from those states and forged their certifications, and then submitted them to Congress. He pressured the VP to throw out the state certified electors and substitute his false slates, or alternatively send them back to the states for recertification. He submitted the same false slates of electors for certification to Congress in the hopes of creating enough of a controversy so the VP could alternatively send the election into the House of Representatives. All to remain in office.

He leaked classified information to the Russian Foreign Minister and others, and he shared classified information with writers and Meadow's staff, he spoke about foreign intelligence regarding North Korea's missile launches at a dinner table in a public setting at Mar a Lago, and he divulged classified nuclear submarine intelligence to foreign nationals. He refused to hand over classified documents, and hid them from the FBI and his own attorneys.

You should read all of the indictments. They go much further and give a detail narrative.

Eventhough I don't like Joe Biden, so far, no one, not even Jim Jordan, has produced any evidence that Joe Biden has done anything that approaches what Trump has done. That's why Rs haven't proceeded to impeach him. So far, they don't have any real evidence of what you're accusing. Jordan's star witness disappeared and it turns out he was a Chinese agent who specialized in trading with Iran to skirt sanctions. And no before you go there, I won't vote for Biden. If you want to get after Biden, get after him over the border, or energy. How he handled Afghanistan. That's where he has failed.

Trump's unfitteness for office stands on its own merits. His unfitness for office has been confirmed over and over by Trump's former staff and high ranking officials - the same people about whom Trump has often stated that "I only appoint the best."

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If you people steal another election, you will get to see what a real insurrection looks like. And it will not be pretty. It will make January 6th look like a four year old little girl's tea party.

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Ok, where is your evidence of a stolen election, other than Trump's attempt to steal an election. So far, no evidence has been produced. Giuliani when confronted under oath said there was no evidence. Roger Stone came up with the concept of claiming a stolen election. You've been hoodwinked.

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Barack Obama - 69 million votes
Joe Biden - 81 million votes

Ummmm........No. Did not happen.

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So what - Trump got more votes than Obama. Like I said, you have no evidence, because there is none. Trump's own people have admitted the same. If there was evidence, it would be out there. The facts are, Trump cost Republicans the WH, and the Senate, and in 2024 he'll cost us the House.

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Yes, I think we have all learned by now that Donald Trump is a Meany Head. I will take Meany Head over corrupt, treasonous traitor any ole day.

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LMAO. Trump is excels in corruption, and is a traitor to the Constitution and our country. I don't like Biden and won't vote for him. However,Trump's whole career is one of excelling corrupt business practices and political practices. Trump is the only president in our history who has taken treasonous action against our country. Trump is far more a danger to democracy and our country than Biden.

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So how has Trump taken treasonous action against our country? Because he was angry about an obviously stolen election? Don't give me your weak January 6 b u l l s h i t!!!! As far as I can tell, Trump never received bribes from China, Ukraine, Russia, the Mexican cartels, etc., etc.

Biden deserves to hang from the gallows on the Washington mall. You people never cease to amaze me.

If it happens, I will be there to piss on his casket.

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Here are the highlights. It goes much deeper. He formulated and disseminated series of lies about the election, conspired and ran an ongoing campaign from Novemeber up to January 21st, to overturn and steal an election. He pressured state elected officials to falsify electoral counts in their states, and to change elector certifications in seven states. He formed false slates of electors from those states and forged their certifications, and then submitted them to Congress. He pressured the VP to throw out the state certified electors and substitute his false slates, or alternatively send them back to the states for recertification. He submitted the same false slates of electors for certification to Congress in the hopes of creating enough of a controversy so the VP could alternatively send the election into the House of Representatives. All to remain in office.

He leaked classified information to the Russian Foreign Minister and others, and he shared classified information with writers and Meadow's staff, he spoke about foreign intelligence regarding North Korea's missile launches at a dinner table in a public setting at Mar a Lago, and he divulged classified nuclear submarine intelligence to foreign nationals. He refused to hand over classified documents, and hid them from the FBI and his own attorneys.

You should read all of the indictments. They go much further and give a detail narrative.

Eventhough I don't like Joe Biden, so far, no one, not even Jim Jordan, has produced any evidence that Joe Biden has done anything that approaches what Trump has done. That's why Rs haven't proceeded to impeach him. So far, they don't have any real evidence of what you're accusing. Jordan's star witness disappeared and it turns out he was a Chinese agent who specialized in trading with Iran to skirt sanctions. And no before you go there, I won't vote for Biden. If you want to get after Biden, get after him over the border, or energy. How he handled Afghanistan. That's where he has failed.

Trump's unfitteness for office stands on its own merits. His unfitness for office has been confirmed over and over by Trump's former staff and high ranking officials - the same people about whom Trump has often stated that "I only appoint the best."

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If you people steal another election, you will get to see what a real insurrection looks like. And it will not be pretty. It will make January 6th look like a four year old little girl's tea party.

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Ok, where is your evidence of a stolen election, other than Trump's attempt to steal an election. So far, no evidence has been produced. Giuliani when confronted under oath said there was no evidence. Roger Stone came up with the concept of claiming a stolen election. You've been hoodwinked.

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Barack Obama - 69 million votes
Joe Biden - 81 million votes

Ummmm........No. Did not happen.

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Like I said, you have no evidence, because there is none.

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I have a brain. Mail in voting and drop boxes in swing states were stuffed full of ballots that were only cast for Biden and none of the other races (undervoting). I guess that makes me an election denier! Are you going to have me arrested me and throw me in prison?

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Yes, I think we have all learned by now that Donald Trump is a Meany Head. I will take Meany Head over corrupt, treasonous traitor any ole day.

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LMAO. Trump is excels in corruption, and is a traitor to the Constitution and our country. I don't like Biden and won't vote for him. However,Trump's whole career is one of excelling corrupt business practices and political practices. Trump is the only president in our history who has taken treasonous action against our country. Trump is far more a danger to democracy and our country than Biden.

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So how has Trump taken treasonous action against our country? Because he was angry about an obviously stolen election? Don't give me your weak January 6 b u l l s h i t!!!! As far as I can tell, Trump never received bribes from China, Ukraine, Russia, the Mexican cartels, etc., etc.

Biden deserves to hang from the gallows on the Washington mall. You people never cease to amaze me.

If it happens, I will be there to piss on his casket.

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Here are the highlights. It goes much deeper. He formulated and disseminated series of lies about the election, conspired and ran an ongoing campaign from Novemeber up to January 21st, to overturn and steal an election. He pressured state elected officials to falsify electoral counts in their states, and to change elector certifications in seven states. He formed false slates of electors from those states and forged their certifications, and then submitted them to Congress. He pressured the VP to throw out the state certified electors and substitute his false slates, or alternatively send them back to the states for recertification. He submitted the same false slates of electors for certification to Congress in the hopes of creating enough of a controversy so the VP could alternatively send the election into the House of Representatives. All to remain in office.

He leaked classified information to the Russian Foreign Minister and others, and he shared classified information with writers and Meadow's staff, he spoke about foreign intelligence regarding North Korea's missile launches at a dinner table in a public setting at Mar a Lago, and he divulged classified nuclear submarine intelligence to foreign nationals. He refused to hand over classified documents, and hid them from the FBI and his own attorneys.

You should read all of the indictments. They go much further and give a detail narrative.

Eventhough I don't like Joe Biden, so far, no one, not even Jim Jordan, has produced any evidence that Joe Biden has done anything that approaches what Trump has done. That's why Rs haven't proceeded to impeach him. So far, they don't have any real evidence of what you're accusing. Jordan's star witness disappeared and it turns out he was a Chinese agent who specialized in trading with Iran to skirt sanctions. And no before you go there, I won't vote for Biden. If you want to get after Biden, get after him over the border, or energy. How he handled Afghanistan. That's where he has failed.

Trump's unfitteness for office stands on its own merits. His unfitness for office has been confirmed over and over by Trump's former staff and high ranking officials - the same people about whom Trump has often stated that "I only appoint the best."

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If you people steal another election, you will get to see what a real insurrection looks like. And it will not be pretty. It will make January 6th look like a four year old little girl's tea party.

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Ok, where is your evidence of a stolen election, other than Trump's attempt to steal an election. So far, no evidence has been produced. Giuliani when confronted under oath said there was no evidence. Roger Stone came up with the concept of claiming a stolen election. You've been hoodwinked.

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Barack Obama - 69 million votes
Joe Biden - 81 million votes

Ummmm........No. Did not happen.

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Like I said, you have no evidence, because there is none.

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I have a brain. Mail in voting and drop boxes in swing states were stuffed full of ballots that were only cast for Biden and none of the other races (undervoting). I guess that makes me an election denier! Are you going to have me arrested me and throw me in prison?

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It doesn't make you an election denier. It just shows that you are yet another gullible idiot.

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Yes, I think we have all learned by now that Donald Trump is a Meany Head. I will take Meany Head over corrupt, treasonous traitor any ole day.

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LMAO. Trump is excels in corruption, and is a traitor to the Constitution and our country. I don't like Biden and won't vote for him. However,Trump's whole career is one of excelling corrupt business practices and political practices. Trump is the only president in our history who has taken treasonous action against our country. Trump is far more a danger to democracy and our country than Biden.

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So how has Trump taken treasonous action against our country? Because he was angry about an obviously stolen election? Don't give me your weak January 6 b u l l s h i t!!!! As far as I can tell, Trump never received bribes from China, Ukraine, Russia, the Mexican cartels, etc., etc.

Biden deserves to hang from the gallows on the Washington mall. You people never cease to amaze me.

If it happens, I will be there to piss on his casket.

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Here are the highlights. It goes much deeper. He formulated and disseminated series of lies about the election, conspired and ran an ongoing campaign from Novemeber up to January 21st, to overturn and steal an election. He pressured state elected officials to falsify electoral counts in their states, and to change elector certifications in seven states. He formed false slates of electors from those states and forged their certifications, and then submitted them to Congress. He pressured the VP to throw out the state certified electors and substitute his false slates, or alternatively send them back to the states for recertification. He submitted the same false slates of electors for certification to Congress in the hopes of creating enough of a controversy so the VP could alternatively send the election into the House of Representatives. All to remain in office.

He leaked classified information to the Russian Foreign Minister and others, and he shared classified information with writers and Meadow's staff, he spoke about foreign intelligence regarding North Korea's missile launches at a dinner table in a public setting at Mar a Lago, and he divulged classified nuclear submarine intelligence to foreign nationals. He refused to hand over classified documents, and hid them from the FBI and his own attorneys.

You should read all of the indictments. They go much further and give a detail narrative.

Eventhough I don't like Joe Biden, so far, no one, not even Jim Jordan, has produced any evidence that Joe Biden has done anything that approaches what Trump has done. That's why Rs haven't proceeded to impeach him. So far, they don't have any real evidence of what you're accusing. Jordan's star witness disappeared and it turns out he was a Chinese agent who specialized in trading with Iran to skirt sanctions. And no before you go there, I won't vote for Biden. If you want to get after Biden, get after him over the border, or energy. How he handled Afghanistan. That's where he has failed.

Trump's unfitteness for office stands on its own merits. His unfitness for office has been confirmed over and over by Trump's former staff and high ranking officials - the same people about whom Trump has often stated that "I only appoint the best."

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If you people steal another election, you will get to see what a real insurrection looks like. And it will not be pretty. It will make January 6th look like a four year old little girl's tea party.

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Ok, where is your evidence of a stolen election, other than Trump's attempt to steal an election. So far, no evidence has been produced. Giuliani when confronted under oath said there was no evidence. Roger Stone came up with the concept of claiming a stolen election. You've been hoodwinked.

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Barack Obama - 69 million votes
Joe Biden - 81 million votes

Ummmm........No. Did not happen.

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Like I said, you have no evidence, because there is none.

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I have a brain. Mail in voting and drop boxes in swing states were stuffed full of ballots that were only cast for Biden and none of the other races (undervoting). I guess that makes me an election denier! Are you going to have me arrested me and throw me in prison?

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It doesn't make you an election denier. It just shows that you are yet another gullible idiot.

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Exactly! It's folks like you and I who believe in the magic of "coincidence" to explain any and all improprieties and statistical improbabilities that have it all figured out.